Gohmert: Gays Shouldn’t Serve In Military Because Massages

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Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert said that in ancient Greece the gays were busy getting massages before going into battle and in today’s world that will make them ill-prepared for war.

“I’ve had people say, ‘Hey, you know, there’s nothing wrong with gays in the military. Look at the Greeks,'” he said. “Well, you know, they did have people come along who they loved that was the same sex and would give them massages before they went into battle. But you know what, it’s a different kind of fighting, it’s a different kind of war and if you’re sitting around getting massages all day ready to go into a big, planned battle, then you’re not going to last very long. It’s guerrilla fighting. You are going to be ultimately vulnerable to terrorism and if that’s what you start doing in the military like the Greeks did … as people have said, ‘Louie, you have got to understand, you don’t even know your history.’ Oh yes I do. I know exactly. It’s not a good idea.”

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348 responses to Gohmert: Gays Shouldn’t Serve In Military Because Massages

  1. Suzanne McFly October 22nd, 2014 at 19:06

    My Bachelors degree is in History and I never read any story about Greek soldiers getting massages, did I miss something? That sounds like it may of been a fun lesson to read about, I feel gipped.

  2. Carla Akins October 22nd, 2014 at 19:06

    Does he know he talking out loud?

    • tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 19:51

      Does he know that he’s talking?

      • whatthe46 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:51

        another HA!

        • tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 20:53

          Louie is waaay to easy. I’m almost embarrassed to post these things.

  3. Suzanne McFly October 22nd, 2014 at 19:06

    My Bachelors degree is in History and I never read any story about Greek soldiers getting massages, did I miss something? That sounds like it may of been a fun lesson to read about, I feel gipped.

  4. Carla Akins October 22nd, 2014 at 19:06

    Does he know he talking out loud?

    • tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 19:51

      Does he know that he’s talking?

      • whatthe46 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:51

        another HA!

        • tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 20:53

          Louie is waaay too easy. I’m almost embarrassed to post these things.

  5. Maxx44 October 22nd, 2014 at 19:11

    Does Gomer’s level of stupidity cause migraines?

  6. Maxx44 October 22nd, 2014 at 19:11

    Does Gomer’s level of stupidity cause migraines?

  7. Kara Connor October 22nd, 2014 at 19:17

    I swear these bigots spend more time imagining and thinking about man-on-man sex than gay men do. It would be hilarious if they weren’t using their own fantasy projections to deny others their civil rights, or in this case wish to prevent them serving their country. I’ll bet Louie Gohmert could provide some very detailed scenarios he’s thought up, involving men covered in baby oil and how it could be problematic.

  8. Kara Connor October 22nd, 2014 at 19:17

    I swear these bigots spend more time imagining and thinking about man-on-man sex than gay men do. It would be hilarious if they weren’t using their own fantasy projections to deny others their civil rights, or in this case wish to prevent them serving their country. I’ll bet Louie Gohmert could provide some very detailed scenarios he’s thought up, involving men covered in baby oil and how it could be problematic.

  9. Tommy6860 October 22nd, 2014 at 19:30

    I wonder if he’s commenting from personal experience.

    • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 19:33

      Nope he’s one of yours. Don’t dump your hetero refuse on the gay community, thanks. You keep him.

      • Anomaly 100 October 22nd, 2014 at 19:58

        Tommy is a liberal.

        • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 20:26

          That doesn’t have any bearing on what I said. By “yours” I meant straight.

        • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 22:22

          See Rusty’s reply above.

          • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 08:50

            Too many comments to go through and I’m extremely busy right now.

            • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 11:02

              You had enough time to be dismissive, but not enough time to listen to other qu33r people.

              Gee.

              • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 11:32

                Queer people? We don’t allow straight people to use that language here and I won’t allow you to do so either.

                Absolutely no homophobic remarks are allowed on this site, no matter whether you’re gay or straight.

                Stop acting persecuted to the very people who have supported equal rights. It hurts your cause and makes you look overly sensitive.

                • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 11:57

                  Get bent. I am qu33r. qu33r qu33r qu33r.

                  So are most of my friends.

                  If you don’t want qu33r people on this site, whatever.

                  Keep it all bourgeois – it’s much more comfortable that way.

                • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 11:58

                  Also, don’t you dare tell me how to look for my own interests.

                  Take that parochial crap and stuff it.

                  Liberation is not premised on keeping you comfortable or prioritizing your feelings.

                • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 12:24

                  What’s especially funny about this, is you telling a quëer person they aren’t allowed to identify as queër.

                  What exactly *did* you think the Q in LGBTQ stood for anyway?

                • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:01

                  Straight people using the term and LGBT people using the term are not even remotely equivalent. Reappropriation is a thing.

                  • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 14:22

                    Sorry, but if we hold those rules on our site, we ask everyone to abide by them. I did ask and she doubled down.

                    I don’t allow the black kids in my neighborhood to drop the N word in my house simply because they think it’s part of their culture. It offends others.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:29

                      You called it “homophobic.” Do you call those black kids racist?

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 14:45

                      I call it inappropriate and unwelcome the way it was used here. Really, that is all that matters.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:50

                      Self-identification is inappropriate? Not everyone identifies with the more “palatable” terms like lesbian, gay, transgender, etc. Reclaiming this word and using it as an umbella term for “not cishet” allows them to identify and express solidarity with the movement without having to pin themselves down to a specific label that they’re uncomfortable with or uncertain of.

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 14:57

                      For now, at this site, that term is considered inappropriate as it offends some of the readers.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:59

                      Apparently that empathy for offended individuals doesn’t apply when two LGBT people express displeasure with a cheap homophobic joke. What was it Anomaly said?

                      “Tracey was right. Lighten up. You’re being highly sensitive.”

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 15:09

                      I am putting an end to things. Things were escalating, now they are ending. This is what I am doing as a moderator. I am not taking sides, I am ending things.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 15:12

                      Things were actually very amicable between AA, myself, and Tommy. Tommy was more than happy to listen, as was jasperjava, and we ended our conversations on very positive notes. Seems like mods like you and Anomaly getting involved is what escalated things.

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 15:18

                      Anomaly is a hostess, this is her home. I tried very hard to stay out of things. I am here to end it.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 15:33

                      How’s that working out for you? Like I said, we ended our conversations with Tommy and jasperjava already, and quite amicably. Only thing keeping things going here is you and Anomaly.

              • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 13:01

                You’re banned. Get ‘used to it.’ It’s for your comment below which I am deleting.

                No homophobic remarks allowed on this site. I don’t care if you’re gay or straight, we do not tolerate the intolerable.

                I warned you and you doubled down.

      • Tommy6860 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:05

        I think you missed the snark :P No biggie. Just as an aside, I leave my profile open, so as to let people see how left of left I am.

        • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 20:14

          No, I didn’t miss the snark.

          Insinuating that an anti-homophobic bigot is gay is basically a slam to gay people – both in terms of insinuating they’re gay as though it’s negative (replace gay with red hair and you’ll see it falls apart) and also because it’s suggesting that there’s this big cabal of closeted gay quislings.

          It’s problematic, and I am echoing the sentiment of men in the gay community who have expressed the same disappointment.

          Regardless of how left you are, this isn’t about tribal loyalty – it’s just about pointing out a common, and problematic epithet used by well meaning people who simply didn’t realize the full implications of what they were saying – not out of stupidity or callousness, but simply due to the inability to see things through the eyes of the gay people who read it.

          • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 20:18

            lighten up, he was joking

            • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 20:27

              “lighten up, he was joking” is not really an appropriate response when someone makes an insensitive statement. I politely pointed it out. Rusty Shackleford would have said the same thing.

              • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 20:37

                You went overboard because you are being over sensitive. You were neither polite then or now.

                • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 20:47

                  “you are being over sensitive”

                  Now see, that’s not really a helpful response either, as outlined here: http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-emotion/

                  It’s pretty much not your place to dictate how someone is allowed to feel, but I appreciate your input. Thanks so much!

                  • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 20:49

                    lol, and you need to lighten up

                    • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 20:54

                      That’s simply a variation on something which I already explained above, so please feel free to peruse that link again at your leisure. It’s very helpful.

                      I have a smile on my face as I’m writing this – I guess I’d need to do drugs to get any lighter, but I’m afraid I gave up alcohol and drugs several years ago as part of an overall commitment to my health.

                      I really appreciate your profound concern over my mental well-being, but please don’t worry yourself on my account. I assure you that everything is great!

                      Again. thank you so much!

                      Best regards
                      =)

                    • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 21:01

                      Now why would I click on your link?

                    • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 21:09

                      It was just suggestion – not a mandate, and it’s not my link. It’s just a link. I don’t have any ownership of it, nor the contents at the other end.

          • Anomaly 100 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:40

            You’re battling the wrong person. Tommy is a strong supporter of LGBT rights. He’s also a good friend.

            • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 20:44

              I’m not battling anyone at all.

              Since he’s an ally of LGBT people I have no doubt he’ll take what one of those people explains to him under consideration. After all that’s how allies become better allies.

              • Anomaly 100 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:56

                Thanks for giving Tommy tips on how to support causes that he’s already supported for years.

                You’re coming off as if you are smarter than the rest of us.

                Tracey was right. Lighten up. You’re being highly sensitive. Tommy is a very, very good person.

                It’s your loss.

                • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 23:54

                  Derail Using Emotion

                  You’re Being Overemotional
                  It is very likely that the whole reason the marginalized person in question is debating with you is because they’ve made a conscious decision to speak out about these issues, despite the pain and heartache it can often cause them. Therefore, the “you’re being hostile” bomb can often lead to an increase of anger and/or hurt. Sometimes it just leads to greater emphasis and exasperation in the argument. It really doesn’t matter, because you can still use it against them by accusing them of being overemotional. You may wish to use the word “hysterical” instead. “Hysterical” is also a word laden with negative connotations, so it’s particularly effective. Using this one in discussions with women is highly advisable, as the opinions and feelings of women have historically been denied as mere “hysteria”, but it works against almost anyone. A great one to use with women as well is to ask them if they’re “PMSing”. Yes, it’s an oldie but a classic.

                  If you need more variety, some more handy argument winners involving speculating as to people’s neurotypical status: ask them if they’re “neurotic” or “schizo” for example. Implying people have mental health issues is a great way to dismiss their concerns; it’s also insensitive to people with actual mental health issues!

                  After all, proper “intellectual” discussions always involve detachment and rationality. What is “rationality”? It’s a way of approaching emotional matters devoid of sentiment, particularly prized by Privileged People® as it enables a continuing inequity of power that favors them: after all, if they aren’t emotionally attached to the topic by way of lived experience, it is easier for them to be “rational”

                  You’re Just Oversensitive
                  Once again, though very similar to You’re Being Overemotional, this one has a slightly different nuance. What you’re implying is that the marginalized person is looking for offence where none exists. Once again, you’re disowning your own responsibility, and this is absolutely the crux of any derailment – you just can’t repeat or reinforce it often enough. No matter what, none of this is your fault – nothing you said that was hurtful, offensive, bigoted or discriminatory is really to blame here, because you said it in all innocence! After all, what reason have you ever had to examine your ingrained prejudices? Why should you start now?So you want the marginalized person to know this is how you feel and that you really believe the responsibility is all theirs – if they weren’t looking so hard for offence, everything would be a lot more pleasant!

                  You’re Taking Things Too Personally
                  Similar to You’re Being Overemotional and yet with particular uses of its own. You see, when you say “you’re taking things too personally” you demonstrate your ignorance that these issues ARE personal for them! That’s highly insulting and is sure to rub anyone up the wrong way. That you’re already refusing to consider their reality is giving them a pretty good indication of how the conversation is going to digress yet the natural human need for understanding will probably compel them to try and reason with you, or at least to point you in the direction of some educational resources that will help you gain insight into their experiences. This can enable you to once again make a demand for them to personally educate you instead.

                  By denying the conversation is personal for them, you also reveal your own detachment: there’s really nothing at stake for you in getting into this argument, you’re just doing it for kicks. They will be all too aware of this, and it will begin to work on their emotions, preparing them nicely for the next steps you will take them through

                  http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-emotion/

          • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 00:53

            After reading the replies I have so say that I apologize for being insensitive and I totally understand where you are coming from. Let me assure you my intent was total snark aimed at one of biggest assholes in congress. However, in doing so, I see your point in how I implied the “closeted” effect and it having a negative implications. So again, if I offended you, I apologize.

            • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 00:59

              You know what, I totally respect that.

              Honestly my intent was to inform you more than anything. I tried to soft pedal it but it’s hard to issue constructive criticism and even hard to receive it.

              Anyway, as I said – respect. You’re better than most, just for taking the time to reconsider. Take that as you will – it’s simply the truth. =)

              • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 01:09

                If you are ever engaged in a convo with me anywhere, never be afraid to tell me like it is, seriously. Being wrong is OK for me, especially it makes me a better person and I would respect you much more for that :).

                • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 01:14

                  Well, other people think I picked you apart. I didn’t mean to, although admittedly my first comment was made in frustration, I tried to follow up and be nice. Maybe I wasn’t. Sometimes I don’t come across the way I intend to. I am a very intense person, both online and off.

                  I am loyal, I am blunt, I love deeply and I don’t mince words

                  So for what it’s worth, I felt you should know that about me going forward I’m totally one of *those* people. The upside is, you don’t have to second guess what I say. LOL

                  • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 01:20

                    That’s good enough for me. I read and post words, words have meanings, the people who read my words have feelings. You expressed your disdain in the way you know how to convey it, I took none personally since what I posted here affected you negatively. It was the fact you stated it as such, that what I said was painful. I never dismiss that when another tells me that I have offended, hurt and belittled them no matter my intent not to do so. I always tell myself there’s another side when one is affected by my words, whether they are good or bad I must take that seriously.

                    Feelings are a two-way street.

                    As far as my personality, I am opposite by the way you describe yourself, and it takes a great deal to get me razzled.

    • Rusty Shackleford October 22nd, 2014 at 21:33

      Okay, this is a major pet peeve of mine. Take this as the opinion of a bisexual man. If you don’t want to listen to it, whatever, but I question what kind of “ally” you are if you value this cheap joke over my voice.

      I really hate the joke that homophobes are closet cases, for a multitude of reasons.

      1. It’s not even funny. Seriously, this got old decades ago. It’s a completely effortless joke, and it seems like people are just making it reflexively at this point.

      2. 99% of the time, it’s not even true. You don’t have to be self-loathing to be hateful. Some people are just hateful assholes. You don’t need to invent a tragic backstory about how he’s closeted and make him into a sympathetic villain.

      3. It dumps these hateful asses onto the LGBT community. We understand you don’t want him; neither do we. Take ownership of your garbage and stop trying to pawn him off as “not one of ours.”

      4. The subject of the joke becomes an “acceptable target” for liberal “allies” to crack homophobic jokes at. The exact kind of homophobic jokes that people like him crack at actual LGBT people. Unacceptable for what I hope are obvious reasons.

      5. It perpetuates, intentionally or not, the idea that homosexuality is something to hide and be ashamed of.

      6. This is the big one: it perpetuates the idea that someone’s sexual history is a matter of public record, whether they want it to be or not. Even if he’s secretly the biggest flaming glitter-bombing queen in existence, it is never okay to out someone against their will. No matter how liberal or leftist or progressive you consider yourself, you cannot be trusted to make the call on who is and is not okay to publicly out. That’s some Cathy Brennan type bullshit (she outs trans women to their employers, in the name of “women’s liberation.”)

      7. What’s the absolute best-case scenario if it’s true? Here’s what would happen:

      -He gets tossed under the bus by his homophobic base
      -They elevate a new loudmouth in his place, one who ISN’T closeted and is TWICE as homophobic (to reassure his listeners)
      -That’s literally it
      -You got a gay man fired and skyrocketed the career of an even stronger homophobe
      -What effective praxis

      So yeah, cut it out. Get some better material.

      • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 22:21

        Thank you

      • Steve Armstrong October 22nd, 2014 at 22:53

        Ok, well let me just say as an Actual Gay Man and not the least bit Bi-Sexual, there has been documented historical evidence of those most vocal of homophobes indeed turning to to be closet cases, so whether we like it or not, it’s no joke.

        • Rusty Shackleford October 22nd, 2014 at 23:00

          I don’t appreciate your casual biphobia there. What is “actual” gay man supposed to imply? I am an ACTUAL bisexual man too, not the least bit gay. Is this some queerer-than-thou nonsense?

          And that assertion (completely lacking evidence) address a grand total of…one point I made. Out of 7.

          • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 23:27

            Can you even believe this shìt?!

            I can’t even…

          • jasperjava October 23rd, 2014 at 03:00

            I may need some enlightening here. I mean that sincerely.

            “I am an ACTUAL bisexual man too, not the least bit gay.”

            I always thought of bisexual identity as composed of being BOTH gay and straight, rather than NEITHER gay or straight.

            It seems to me that the former way of thinking is more inclusive, and more likely to encourage making common cause.

            Not that I would dream to tell anyone how to shape their identity or decide for them who they should or should not associate with. I’m sure there are just as many ways to be Bi as there are to be Gay or Trans or Straight. I also respect your right NOT to discuss identity issues unless you want to. One of my systemic privileges as a straight man is that I never have to justify my sexual orientation just to satisfy others’ (honest or prurient) curiosity.

            • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 10:42

              I’m not 50% gay and 50% straight. I’m 100% bisexual. It is a valid identity in-and-of itself, not defined by other identities.

              Rhetoric like that leads to queerer-than-thou nonsense, where bi people are only considered “half-gay,” meaning they’re only half-invested-in-the-cause, half-discriminated-against, or half-oppressor.

              Besides that, it’s completely backwards. Wouldn’t monosexuals be half-bi? 2 is larger than 1.

          • Steve Armstrong November 5th, 2014 at 16:20

            There’s nothing casual or phobic of my opinion of bisexuals. I honestly don’t care whether you appreciate anything I have to say on the subject. I addressed the two points of your post that I didn’t appreciate and we see where that got me so we’ve now established clearly that neither of us gives two spits about what the other “appreciates” here.

            • Rusty Shackleford November 5th, 2014 at 16:28

              You addressed ONE point of my seven. Point #2 to be specific, and that’s being generous, given that your assertion completely lacked evidence.

        • androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 23:26

          An actual gay man and not just a bisexual? So like, you’re somehow more “pure” or something and that makes you an authority on this? What? Are we establishing hierarchies now? I don’t even want to know what you think about trans people.

          • Steve Armstrong November 5th, 2014 at 16:15

            I wasn’t the one who started this dialogue establishing a hierarchy if you had actually paid attention. Rusty made it quite clear he was speaking from a bi-sexual perspective so excuse me if a gay man has an opinion on homophobia. We’re the one’s who don’t blend in with the straight people after all.

            • Rusty Shackleford November 5th, 2014 at 16:25

              Please tell me more about how well I blend in with my trans boyfriend.

      • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 00:55

        As I did with androgyne, I apologize for the implication I gave. I see your point as well.

        • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 01:00

          Thank you for listening.

        • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 10:10

          Personally, when a story like this comes out, I try and avoid leaving a comment. So many creative ways to get foot in mouth disease. I just don’t know sometimes how snark will be taken so I try and just go somewhere else, where it is safe to play.

          • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 10:56

            Snark is cool, but it is an art. In situations where you’re dealing with marginalization you have to be careful and ask yourself who and what the target is that you’re making fun of, but yeah – in the case of doubt it’s best not to joke. That’s why comedians make the big bucks.

          • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 17:39

            Not so much leaving a comment, it’s how the comment comes out. I mean, I see so many other comments, yet no offense taken. I won’t avoid commenting on idiots like Gohmert. But if I stop posting to related articles for fear of, then I may never find out if my thinking or potential commentary is hurtful.

            • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 17:49

              It wasn’t Gohmert, it was the subject matter and how he handled it that left the door open to all sorts of problems. That is what trolls do though and that is what Gohmert is.

              Maybe my intuition is just good, but when I read the story, everything inside my head was telling me to shut up and go away, don’t say anything, problems are coming.

      • jasperjava October 23rd, 2014 at 02:42

        I sympathize with your distaste for “humor” at the expense of marginalized groups or vulnerable people.

        But I wonder about this: “it is never okay to out someone against their will.”

        Doesn’t THAT perpetuate the idea that homosexuality is something to be ashamed of?

        If Gohmert shares his homoerotic fantasies, inspiring reasonable speculation that he’s a self-hating closeted gay man, are we not advancing the cause of acceptance if we encourage him to drop the shame and come out as a proud gay man?

        • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 10:48

          “Doesn’t THAT perpetuate the idea that homosexuality is something to be ashamed of?”

          No. The closet is a necessary tool for guaranteeing the personal safety of countless LGBT people. When you compromise the integrity of the closet, you are endangering these people. Their sexuality is their business, period. Coming out is a very personal and very serious decision, and it’s something they themselves must do.

          “are we not advancing the cause of acceptance if we encourage him to drop the shame and come out as a proud gay man?”

          No. Where would his support be? He’d be unwelcome in conservative circles for obvious reasons, and he’d be unwelcome in liberal circles because you all clearly hate him, hence your petty and vindictive outing of him.

          • jasperjava October 23rd, 2014 at 13:22

            Thanks for your instructive reply.

            Republicans like Gohmert are so toxic to the body politic in all spheres of activity, that no attack against him can possibly be petty or vindictive. I would never use sexual orientation as a club, but if Gohmert self-destructs with his constituency in some way, shape, or form, that could only have a positive outcome.

            • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 13:31

              If he self-destructs in some way, good. My issue is with the idea that it’s ever okay to out someone against their will. That’s some Cathy Brennan bullshit.

        • androgyne anode October 23rd, 2014 at 10:54

          Personal safety is not about shame. It’s about personal safety, and you have no place stripping that safety from other people.

  10. Tommy6860 October 22nd, 2014 at 19:30

    I wonder if he’s commenting from personal experience.

    • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 19:33

      Nope he’s one of yours. Don’t dump your hetero refuse on the gay community, thanks. You keep him.

      • Anomaly 100 October 22nd, 2014 at 19:58

        Tommy is a liberal.

        • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:26

          That doesn’t have any bearing on what I said. By “yours” I meant straight.

        • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 22:22

          See Rusty’s reply above.

          • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 08:50

            Too many comments to go through and I’m extremely busy right now.

            • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 23rd, 2014 at 11:02

              ….

            • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 11:32

              …(Edited out by mea mark) people? We don’t allow straight people to use that language here and I won’t allow you to do so either.

              Absolutely no homophobic remarks are allowed on this site, no matter whether you’re gay or straight.

              Stop acting persecuted to the very people who have supported equal rights. It hurts your cause and makes you look overly sensitive.

              • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 23rd, 2014 at 11:57

                Get bent. I am …

                So are most of my friends.

                If you don’t want … people on this site, whatever.

                Keep it all bourgeois – it’s much more comfortable that way.

              • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:01

                Straight people using the term and LGBT people using the term are not even remotely equivalent. Reappropriation is a thing.

                • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 14:22

                  Sorry, but if we hold those rules on our site, we ask everyone to abide by them. I did ask and she doubled down.

                  I don’t allow the black kids in my neighborhood to drop the N word in my house simply because they think it’s part of their culture. It offends others.

                  • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:29

                    You called it “homophobic.” Do you call those black kids racist?

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 14:45

                      I call it inappropriate and unwelcome the way it was used here. Really, that is all that matters.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:50

                      Self-identification is inappropriate? Not everyone identifies with the more “palatable” terms like lesbian, gay, transgender, etc. Reclaiming this word and using it as an umbrella term for “not cishet” allows them to identify and express solidarity with the movement without having to pin themselves down to a specific label that they’re uncomfortable with or uncertain of.

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 14:57

                      For now, at this site, that term is considered inappropriate as it offends some of the readers.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 14:59

                      Apparently that empathy for offended individuals doesn’t apply when two LGBT people express displeasure with a cheap homophobic joke. What was it Anomaly said?

                      “Tracey was right. Lighten up. You’re being highly sensitive.”

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 15:09

                      I am putting an end to things. Things were escalating, now they are ending. This is what I am doing as a moderator. I am not taking sides, I am ending things.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 15:12

                      Things were actually very amicable between AA, myself, and Tommy. Tommy was more than happy to listen, as was jasperjava, and we ended our conversations on very positive notes. Seems like mods like you and Anomaly getting involved is what escalated things.

                    • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 15:18

                      Anomaly is a hostess, this is her home. I tried very hard to stay out of things. I am here to end it.

                    • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 15:33

                      How’s that working out for you? Like I said, we ended our conversations with Tommy and jasperjava already, and quite amicably. Only thing keeping things going here is you and Anomaly.

            • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 13:01

              You’re banned. Get ‘used to it.’ It’s for your comment below which I am deleting.

              No homophobic remarks allowed on this site. I don’t care if you’re gay or straight, we do not tolerate the intolerable.

              I warned you and you doubled down.

      • Tommy6860 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:05

        I think you missed the snark :P No biggie. Just as an aside, I leave my profile open, so as to let people see how left of left I am.

        • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:14

          No, I didn’t miss the snark.

          Insinuating that an anti-homophobic bigot is gay is basically a slam to gay people – both in terms of insinuating they’re gay as though it’s negative (replace gay with red hair and you’ll see it falls apart) and also because it’s suggesting that there’s this big cabal of closeted gay quislings.

          It’s problematic, and I am echoing the sentiment of men in the gay community who have expressed the same disappointment.

          Regardless of how left you are, this isn’t about tribal loyalty – it’s just about pointing out a common, and problematic epithet used by well meaning people who simply didn’t realize the full implications of what they were saying – not out of stupidity or callousness, but simply due to the inability to see things through the eyes of the gay people who read it.

          • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 20:18

            lighten up, he was joking

            • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:27

              “lighten up, he was joking” is not really an appropriate response when someone makes an insensitive statement. I politely pointed it out. Rusty Shackleford would have said the same thing.

              • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 20:37

                You went overboard because you are being over sensitive. You were neither polite then or now.

                • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:47

                  “you are being over sensitive”

                  Now see, that’s not really a helpful response either, as outlined here: http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-emotion/

                  It’s pretty much not your place to dictate how someone is allowed to feel, but I appreciate your input. Thanks so much!

                  • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 20:49

                    lol, and you need to lighten up

                    • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:54

                      That’s simply a variation on something which I already explained above, so please feel free to peruse that link again at your leisure. It’s very helpful.

                      I have a smile on my face as I’m writing this – I guess I’d need to do drugs to get any lighter, but I’m afraid I gave up alcohol and drugs several years ago as part of an overall commitment to my health.

                      I really appreciate your profound concern over my mental well-being, but please don’t worry yourself on my account. I assure you that everything is great!

                      Again. thank you so much!

                      Best regards
                      =)

                    • tracey marie October 22nd, 2014 at 21:01

                      Now why would I click on your link?

                    • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 21:09

                      It was just suggestion – not a mandate, and it’s not my link. It’s just a link. I don’t have any ownership of it, nor the contents at the other end.

          • Anomaly 100 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:40

            You’re battling the wrong person. Tommy is a strong supporter of LGBT rights. He’s also a good friend.

            • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:44

              I’m not battling anyone at all.

              Since he’s an ally of LGBT people I have no doubt he’ll take what one of those people explains to him under consideration. After all that’s how allies become better allies.

              • Anomaly 100 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:56

                Thanks for giving Tommy tips on how to support causes that he’s already supported for years.

                You’re coming off as if you are smarter than the rest of us.

                Tracey was right. Lighten up. You’re being highly sensitive. Tommy is a very, very good person.

                It’s your loss.

                • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 21:03

                  …

                • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 21:07

                  No, I’m coming off as a gay person that’s pretty tired of seeing straight people use being gay as a dvmping ground for anything they don’t like.

                  And I’m not alone. You may think this one remark stands alone. It doesn’t. We in the community face it every day.

                  And no matter how long Tommy has been an ally, I’ve been gay and trans for much much longer.

                  I’m also echoing the sentiment of one of your other regulars, bi and married to another trans person – Rusty Shackleford.

                  Now here’s the thing. I’m not saying Tommy is a bad person. I’m simply pointing out something that gay people don’t like reading.

                  I’m not smarter than any of you. I’m really rather ignorant, and if I ever begin to believe differently, it’s time for me to walk in front of a bus, because it means I have nothing left to learn and life suddenly got boring.

                  That said, I know more about being gay than anyone who isn’t gay – just like a black person knows more about being black than anyone who is not. So if I appear “smarter” maybe it’s because I’m trying to be helpful and you’re offended at the idea that someone might have accidentally said something uncouth.

                  But you know what? You want to read this as a confrontation fine. I won’t stop you.

                  Be my guest. Unlike you, I won’t presume to tell you how you’re supposed to feel.

                  • Anomaly 100 October 23rd, 2014 at 08:46

                    I’m sorry. My bad. I didn’t’ realize that you’re the only gay person in the world, therefore, your comment must be right.

                    As I sit here with my BFF, she’s shaking her head at this comment thread. She’s a lesbian. We live together and have for over 20 years. It’s not as if I don’t know about the stereotypical paintbrush others use on the gay community daily. As a matter of fact, I’ve felt it. Many people assume I’m gay because of my close relationship with my BFF. And to them, I give zero fucks.

                    Tommy is a friend and an advocate for LGBT causes. You are being your own worst enemy here. I thank God for people like him, willing to fight the good fight for my BFF, her gay brothers, and all of my gay friends and gf, I have a ton of them.

                • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 23:54

                  Derail Using Emotion

                  You’re Being Overemotional
                  It is very likely that the whole reason the marginalized person in question is debating with you is because they’ve made a conscious decision to speak out about these issues, despite the pain and heartache it can often cause them. Therefore, the “you’re being hostile” bomb can often lead to an increase of anger and/or hurt. Sometimes it just leads to greater emphasis and exasperation in the argument. It really doesn’t matter, because you can still use it against them by accusing them of being overemotional. You may wish to use the word “hysterical” instead. “Hysterical” is also a word laden with negative connotations, so it’s particularly effective. Using this one in discussions with women is highly advisable, as the opinions and feelings of women have historically been denied as mere “hysteria”, but it works against almost anyone. A great one to use with women as well is to ask them if they’re “PMSing”. Yes, it’s an oldie but a classic.

                  If you need more variety, some more handy argument winners involving speculating as to people’s neurotypical status: ask them if they’re “neurotic” or “schizo” for example. Implying people have mental health issues is a great way to dismiss their concerns; it’s also insensitive to people with actual mental health issues!

                  After all, proper “intellectual” discussions always involve detachment and rationality. What is “rationality”? It’s a way of approaching emotional matters devoid of sentiment, particularly prized by Privileged People® as it enables a continuing inequity of power that favors them: after all, if they aren’t emotionally attached to the topic by way of lived experience, it is easier for them to be “rational”

                  You’re Just Oversensitive
                  Once again, though very similar to You’re Being Overemotional, this one has a slightly different nuance. What you’re implying is that the marginalized person is looking for offence where none exists. Once again, you’re disowning your own responsibility, and this is absolutely the crux of any derailment – you just can’t repeat or reinforce it often enough. No matter what, none of this is your fault – nothing you said that was hurtful, offensive, bigoted or discriminatory is really to blame here, because you said it in all innocence! After all, what reason have you ever had to examine your ingrained prejudices? Why should you start now?So you want the marginalized person to know this is how you feel and that you really believe the responsibility is all theirs – if they weren’t looking so hard for offence, everything would be a lot more pleasant!

                  You’re Taking Things Too Personally
                  Similar to You’re Being Overemotional and yet with particular uses of its own. You see, when you say “you’re taking things too personally” you demonstrate your ignorance that these issues ARE personal for them! That’s highly insulting and is sure to rub anyone up the wrong way. That you’re already refusing to consider their reality is giving them a pretty good indication of how the conversation is going to digress yet the natural human need for understanding will probably compel them to try and reason with you, or at least to point you in the direction of some educational resources that will help you gain insight into their experiences. This can enable you to once again make a demand for them to personally educate you instead.

                  By denying the conversation is personal for them, you also reveal your own detachment: there’s really nothing at stake for you in getting into this argument, you’re just doing it for kicks. They will be all too aware of this, and it will begin to work on their emotions, preparing them nicely for the next steps you will take them through

                  http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-emotion/

          • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 00:53

            After reading the replies I have so say that I apologize for being insensitive and I totally understand where you are coming from. Let me assure you my intent was total snark aimed at one of biggest assholes in congress. However, in doing so, I see your point in how I implied the “closeted” effect and it having a negative implications. So again, if I offended you, I apologize.

            • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 23rd, 2014 at 00:59

              You know what, I totally respect that.

              Honestly my intent was to inform you more than anything. I tried to soft pedal it but it’s hard to issue constructive criticism and even hard to receive it.

              Anyway, as I said – respect. You’re better than most, just for taking the time to reconsider. Take that as you will – it’s simply the truth. =)

              • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 01:09

                If you are ever engaged in a convo with me anywhere, never be afraid to tell me like it is, seriously. Being wrong is OK for me, especially it makes me a better person and I would respect you much more for that :).

                • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 23rd, 2014 at 01:14

                  Well, other people think I picked you apart. I didn’t mean to, although admittedly my first comment was made in frustration, I tried to follow up and be nice. Maybe I wasn’t. Sometimes I don’t come across the way I intend to. I am a very intense person, both online and off.

                  I am loyal, I am blunt, I love deeply and I don’t mince words

                  So for what it’s worth, I felt you should know that about me going forward I’m totally one of *those* people. The upside is, you don’t have to second guess what I say. LOL

                  • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 01:20

                    That’s good enough for me. I read and post words, words have meanings, the people who read my words have feelings. You expressed your disdain in the way you know how to convey it, I took none personally since what I posted here affected you negatively. It was the fact you stated it as such, that what I said was painful. I never dismiss that when another tells me that I have offended, hurt and belittled them no matter my intent not to do so. I always tell myself there’s another side when one is affected by my words, whether they are good or bad I must take that seriously.

                    Feelings are a two-way street.

                    As far as my personality, I am opposite by the way you describe yourself, and it takes a great deal to get me razzled.

    • Rusty Shackleford October 22nd, 2014 at 21:33

      Okay, this is a major pet peeve of mine. Take this as the opinion of a bisexual man. If you don’t want to listen to it, whatever, but I question what kind of “ally” you are if you value this cheap joke over my voice.

      I really hate the joke that homophobes are closet cases, for a multitude of reasons.

      1. It’s not even funny. Seriously, this got old decades ago. It’s a completely effortless joke, and it seems like people are just making it reflexively at this point.

      2. 99% of the time, it’s not even true. You don’t have to be self-loathing to be hateful. Some people are just hateful assholes. You don’t need to invent a tragic backstory about how he’s closeted and make him into a sympathetic villain.

      3. It dumps these hateful asses onto the LGBT community. We understand you don’t want him; neither do we. Take ownership of your garbage and stop trying to pawn him off as “not one of ours.”

      4. The subject of the joke becomes an “acceptable target” for liberal “allies” to crack homophobic jokes at. The exact kind of homophobic jokes that people like him crack at actual LGBT people. Unacceptable for what I hope are obvious reasons.

      5. It perpetuates, intentionally or not, the idea that homosexuality is something to hide and be ashamed of.

      6. This is the big one: it perpetuates the idea that someone’s sexual history is a matter of public record, whether they want it to be or not. Even if he’s secretly the biggest flaming glitter-bombing queen in existence, it is never okay to out someone against their will. No matter how liberal or leftist or progressive you consider yourself, you cannot be trusted to make the call on who is and is not okay to publicly out. That’s some Cathy Brennan type bullshit (she outs trans women to their employers, in the name of “women’s liberation.”)

      7. What’s the absolute best-case scenario if it’s true? Here’s what would happen:

      -He gets tossed under the bus by his homophobic base
      -They elevate a new loudmouth in his place, one who ISN’T closeted and is TWICE as homophobic (to reassure his listeners)
      -That’s literally it
      -You got a gay man fired and skyrocketed the career of an even stronger homophobe
      -What effective praxis

      So yeah, cut it out. Get some better material.

      • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 22:21

        Thank you

      • Steve Armstrong October 22nd, 2014 at 22:53

        Ok, well let me just say as an Actual Gay Man and not the least bit Bi-Sexual, there has been documented historical evidence of those most vocal of homophobes indeed turning to to be closet cases, so whether we like it or not, it’s not “just” a joke. Also, who elected you to be the moderator who get’s to tell people to cut it out?

        • Rusty Shackleford October 22nd, 2014 at 23:00

          I don’t appreciate your casual biphobia there. What is “actual” gay man supposed to imply? I am an ACTUAL bisexual man too, not the least bit gay. Is this some queerer-than-thou nonsense?

          And that assertion (completely lacking evidence) addresses a grand total of…one point I made. Out of 7.

          EDIT:

          “Also, who elected you to be the moderator who get’s to tell people to cut it out?”

          Apparently an entire paragraph prefacing the post explaining that this is solely my opinion and not a mandate is still not enough for the tone police.

          • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 23:27

            Can you even believe this shìt?!

            I can’t even…

          • jasperjava October 23rd, 2014 at 03:00

            I may need some enlightening here. I mean that sincerely.

            “I am an ACTUAL bisexual man too, not the least bit gay.”

            I always thought of bisexual identity as composed of being BOTH gay and straight, rather than NEITHER gay or straight.

            It seems to me that the former way of thinking is more inclusive, and more likely to encourage making common cause.

            Not that I would dream to tell anyone how to shape their identity or decide for them who they should or should not associate with. I’m sure there are just as many ways to be Bi as there are to be Gay or Trans or Straight. I also respect your right NOT to discuss identity issues unless you want to. One of my systemic privileges as a straight man is that I never have to justify my sexual orientation just to satisfy others’ (honest or prurient) curiosity.

            • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 10:42

              I’m not 50% gay and 50% straight. I’m 100% bisexual. It is a valid identity in-and-of itself, not defined by other identities.

              Rhetoric like that leads to … -than-thou nonsense, where bi people are only considered “half-gay,” meaning they’re only half-invested-in-the-cause, half-discriminated-against, or half-oppressor.

              Besides that, it’s completely backwards. Wouldn’t monosexuals be half-bi? 2 is larger than 1.

          • Steve Armstrong November 5th, 2014 at 17:20

            There’s nothing casual or phobic of my opinion of bisexuals. I honestly don’t care whether you appreciate anything I have to say on the subject. I addressed the two points of your post that I didn’t appreciate and we see where that got me so we’ve now established clearly that neither of us gives two spits about what the other “appreciates” here.

            • Rusty Shackleford November 5th, 2014 at 17:28

              You addressed ONE point of my seven. Point #2 to be specific, and that’s being generous, given that your assertion completely lacked evidence.

        • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 23:26

          An actual gay man and not just a bisexual? So like, you’re somehow more “pure” or something and that makes you an authority on this? What? Are we establishing hierarchies now? I don’t even want to know what you think about trans people.

          • Steve Armstrong November 5th, 2014 at 17:15

            I wasn’t the one who started this dialogue establishing a hierarchy if you had actually paid attention. Rusty made it quite clear he was speaking from a bi-sexual perspective so excuse me if a gay man has an opinion on homophobia. We’re the one’s who don’t blend in with the straight people after all.

            • Rusty Shackleford November 5th, 2014 at 17:25

              Please tell me more about how well I blend in with my trans boyfriend. Or am I interrupting your lecturing of a non-binary femme with a wife on how well she blends in?

      • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 00:55

        As I did with androgyne, I apologize for the implication I gave. I see your point as well.

        • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 01:00

          Thank you for listening.

        • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 10:10

          Personally, when a story like this comes out, I try and avoid leaving a comment. So many creative ways to get foot in mouth disease. I just don’t know sometimes how snark will be taken so I try and just go somewhere else, where it is safe to play.

          • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 23rd, 2014 at 10:56

            Snark is cool, but it is an art. In situations where you’re dealing with marginalization you have to be careful and ask yourself who and what the target is that you’re making fun of, but yeah – in the case of doubt it’s best not to joke. That’s why comedians make the big bucks.

          • Tommy6860 October 23rd, 2014 at 17:39

            Not so much leaving a comment, it’s how the comment comes out. I mean, I see so many other comments, yet no offense taken. I won’t avoid commenting on idiots like Gohmert. But if I stop posting to related articles for fear of, then I may never find out if my thinking or potential commentary is hurtful.

            • mea_mark October 23rd, 2014 at 17:49

              It wasn’t Gohmert, it was the subject matter and how he handled it that left the door open to all sorts of problems. That is what trolls do though and that is what Gohmert is.

              Maybe my intuition is just good, but when I read the story, everything inside my head was telling me to shut up and go away, don’t say anything, problems are coming.

      • jasperjava October 23rd, 2014 at 02:42

        I sympathize with your distaste for “humor” at the expense of marginalized groups or vulnerable people.

        But I wonder about this: “it is never okay to out someone against their will.”

        Doesn’t THAT perpetuate the idea that homosexuality is something to be ashamed of?

        If Gohmert shares his homoerotic fantasies, inspiring reasonable speculation that he’s a self-hating closeted gay man, are we not advancing the cause of acceptance if we encourage him to drop the shame and come out as a proud gay man?

        • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 10:48

          “Doesn’t THAT perpetuate the idea that homosexuality is something to be ashamed of?”

          No. The closet is a necessary tool for guaranteeing the personal safety of countless LGBT people. When you compromise the integrity of the closet, you are endangering these people. Their sexuality is their business, period. Coming out is a very personal and very serious decision, and it’s something they themselves must do.

          “are we not advancing the cause of acceptance if we encourage him to drop the shame and come out as a proud gay man?”

          No. Where would his support be? He’d be unwelcome in conservative circles for obvious reasons, and he’d be unwelcome in liberal circles because you all clearly hate him, hence your petty and vindictive outing of him.

          • jasperjava October 23rd, 2014 at 13:22

            Thanks for your instructive reply.

            Republicans like Gohmert are so toxic to the body politic in all spheres of activity, that no attack against him can possibly be petty or vindictive. I would never use sexual orientation as a club, but if Gohmert self-destructs with his constituency in some way, shape, or form, that could only have a positive outcome.

            • Rusty Shackleford October 23rd, 2014 at 13:31

              If he self-destructs in some way, good. My issue is with the idea that it’s ever okay to out someone against their will. That’s some Cathy Brennan bullshit.

        • 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 23rd, 2014 at 10:54

          Personal safety is not about shame. It’s about personal safety, and you have no place stripping that safety from other people.

  11. ExPFCWintergreen October 22nd, 2014 at 19:41

    Gohmertian History: It’s a well-known fact that the Viet Cong guerrilla fighters *never* got massages before going into battle, which is why they successfully conquered Afghanistan, the Moors being notoriously pro-massage, and that’s totally why Bin Laden.

    • StoneyCurtisll October 22nd, 2014 at 20:02

      High Five!
      To that,,

    • DaddyO_969 October 22nd, 2014 at 22:00

      I wonder if Yossarian made it to Sweden.

  12. ExPFCWintergreen October 22nd, 2014 at 19:41

    Gohmertian History: It’s a well-known fact that the Viet Cong guerrilla fighters *never* got massages before going into battle, which is why they successfully conquered Afghanistan, the Moors being notoriously pro-massage, and that’s totally why Bin Laden.

    • StoneyCurtisll October 22nd, 2014 at 20:02

      High Five!
      To that,,

    • DaddyO_969 October 22nd, 2014 at 22:00

      I wonder if Yossarian made it to Sweden.

  13. tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 19:50

    STUPIDEST HUMAN IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!!!!

    • Tommy6860 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:09

      Steve King has to be just as incoherent and stupid as Loius. Now that we will no longer have Paul Broun and Phil Gingrey (glad they ran in their primaries for a senate seat where their state law disallows them from still running on their house seats) that is a bonus, though those two f-tards are on par with Gohmert Pile.

      • tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 20:17

        There are lot’s of contenders. There is only one Louie!

  14. tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 19:50

    STUPIDEST HUMAN IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!!!!

    • Tommy6860 October 22nd, 2014 at 20:09

      Steve King has to be just as incoherent and stupid as Loius. Now that we will no longer have Paul Broun and Phil Gingrey (glad they ran in their primaries for a senate seat where their state law disallows them from still running on their house seats) that is a bonus, though those two f-tards are on par with Gohmert Pile.

      • tiredoftea October 22nd, 2014 at 20:17

        There are lot’s of contenders. There is only one Louie!

  15. androgyne anode October 22nd, 2014 at 21:06

    …

  16. 𝒹𝒶𝓃𝒶𝒽 ℊ𝒶𝓏 ❤💀👿 October 22nd, 2014 at 21:06

    …

  17. Tengrain October 22nd, 2014 at 21:43

    Massages:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

  18. Tengrain October 22nd, 2014 at 21:43

    Massages:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

  19. KB723 October 22nd, 2014 at 21:45

    I THINK IT MOVED!!!!
    http://youtu.be/IXvPqOGujXc

  20. KB723 October 22nd, 2014 at 21:45

    I THINK IT MOVED!!!!
    http://youtu.be/IXvPqOGujXc

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