Watch: A Professor’s Amazing Idea On Dealing With Open Carry Activists
A philosophy professor offers an amazing response to open carry activists who enter family-friendly establishments with guns strapped to their backs. He notes,”As many have pointed out, there is no way for bystanders to know whether the people with guns are “good guys” or “bad guys.” It is rational to be afraid of someone with a weapon, especially if you know nothing about them.”
That’s been my argument for awhile when gun activists claim there’s nothing to fear from an “inanimate object” but we don’t know the person whose hand is on the trigger. We do see their blatant disrespect for others though.
Jack Russell Weinstein, professor of philosophy and director of the Institute for Philosophy in Public Life at the University of North Dakota, came up with a solution as to how we should respond when witnessing these gun toting groups entering a store.
Weinstein writes:
My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.
But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.
Following this procedure has several advantages. First, it protects people. Second, it forces the businesses to really choose where their loyalties are. If the second amendment is as important as people claim, then people should be willing to pay for it. God knows, free speech is tremendously expensive.
Watch:
A YouTube commenter writes, “The best way to react is to thank them for supporting your rights and the Constitution. Advocating theft at restaurants is not a moral argument.”
We can thank our founding fathers, not gun carrying gangs, thank you very much. As for the allegation of “theft,” the professor covered that topic in the video.
There’s nothing to thank these two young men for after their group entered a Chipotle restaurant in Texas.
While activists have certain “rights” — which they have abused — nowhere on our favorite restaurant’s menu does it read, “Cheeseburger with a side of gangsta, yo.”
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By: Anomaly100
Elly July 30th, 2014 at 11:19
When I saw a gun in my violent father’s closet, I developed a fear of guns. I do not want to be around them and would certainly leave a restaurant as soon as I saw one.
Joe Kendall July 30th, 2014 at 11:42
I support your right to do this 100%.
Pat Riot July 31st, 2014 at 13:01
So, you live by irrational emotion, rather than logic and common sense?
That’s makes me way more nervous that any open carrier…
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:46
You would probably go down on any open carrier you saw.
ihumpguns August 2nd, 2014 at 00:58
Is that a problem? Are you implying being a homosexual is wrong?
Guest August 2nd, 2014 at 03:05
I did not make any statement about the sex of yourself or the shooter. I made a statement about a sexual act because of a stance on guns.
Ned Carter August 2nd, 2014 at 03:06
I did not make a statement about the sex, or sexual orientation of anyone. I made a statement about a sexual act because of a stance on guns.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:11
So, admitted ad hominem attack, based on sexual bigotry. How very liberal of you.
Elly July 30th, 2014 at 11:19
When I saw a gun in my violent father’s closet, I developed a fear of guns. I do not want to be around them and would certainly leave a restaurant as soon as I saw one.
Joe Kendall July 30th, 2014 at 11:42
I support your right to do this 100%.
Pat Riot July 31st, 2014 at 13:01
So, you live by irrational emotion, rather than logic and common sense?
That’s makes me way more nervous that any open carrier…
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:46
You would probably go down on any open carrier you saw.
ihumpguns August 2nd, 2014 at 00:58
Is that a problem? Are you implying being a homosexual is wrong?
Guest August 2nd, 2014 at 03:05
I did not make any statement about the sex of yourself or the shooter. I made a statement about a sexual act because of a stance on guns.
Ned Carter August 2nd, 2014 at 03:06
I did not make a statement about the sex, or sexual orientation of anyone. I made a statement about a sexual act because of a stance on guns.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:11
So, admitted ad hominem attack, based on sexual bigotry. How very liberal of you.
Jeff Greathouse July 30th, 2014 at 12:29
If I walked into a restaurant and saw two guys with guns like the one in the last photo , I am definitely doing a 180 spin and leaving; well, actually, I may walk out backwards so I can have my eyes on them.
Jeff Greathouse July 30th, 2014 at 12:29
If I walked into a restaurant and saw two guys with guns like the one in the last photo , I am definitely doing a 180 spin and leaving; well, actually, I may walk out backwards so I can have my eyes on them.
kbace July 30th, 2014 at 12:47
I have a license to carry a gun, but I never openly display my gun. If I walked into an establishment and there were people inside displaying their firearms, I would leave. There is no need to “flex” or “show off” or “boast” about the guns that you have. As for anyone who carries assault rifles – they are performing and putting on a show for the public. It is totally unnecessary and ridiculous.
PavePusher December 28th, 2014 at 23:58
How is lawfully carrying a defensive sidearm “flexing”, “showing off” or “boasting”? Does a simple layer of cloth really have that much power?
kbace December 29th, 2014 at 19:17
If you are truly only carrying a firearm for protection, you don’t need to advertise? It is not necessary to show your gun to everybody. The power comes from simply having a gun on you legally.
PavePusher December 29th, 2014 at 21:44
I’m not trying to “advertise”, and it’s not about my personal “power” (I was addressing that to the insinuated characteristic of a piece of cloth to make something good or bad). It’s about the fact that Constitutional Rights do not require camouflage, and there is nothing inherently wrong or incorrect about openly exercising them.
(Also, most states require a fee for covering the sidearm. Why???)
kbace July 30th, 2014 at 12:47
I have a license to carry a gun, but I never openly display my gun. If I walked into an establishment and there were people inside displaying their firearms, I would leave. There is no need to “flex” or “show off” or “boast” about the guns that you have. As for anyone who carries assault rifles – they are performing and putting on a show for the public. It is totally unnecessary and ridiculous.
PavePusher December 29th, 2014 at 00:58
How is lawfully carrying a defensive sidearm “flexing”, “showing off” or “boasting”? Does a simple layer of cloth really have that much power?
kbace December 29th, 2014 at 20:17
If you are truly only carrying a firearm for protection, you don’t need to advertise? It is not necessary to show your gun to everybody. The power comes from simply having a gun on you legally.
PavePusher December 29th, 2014 at 22:44
I’m not trying to “advertise”, and it’s not about my personal “power” (I was addressing that to the insinuated characteristic of a piece of cloth to make something good or bad). It’s about the fact that Constitutional Rights do not require camouflage, and there is nothing inherently wrong or incorrect about openly exercising them.
(Also, most states require a fee for covering the sidearm. Why???)
AW2002 July 30th, 2014 at 13:00
What if the people open carrying are ununiformed cops. And when everyone starts leaving without paying the cops start arresting everyone. Thanks to this advice a bunch of good people will potentially have criminal records.
AW2002 July 30th, 2014 at 13:00
What if the people open carrying are ununiformed cops. And when everyone starts leaving without paying the cops start arresting everyone. Thanks to this advice a bunch of good people will potentially have criminal records. (I agree that people toting guns for the sole purpose of having people see them is dumb. But the whole not being a paying customer part because you are offended is dumb, too. I am offended by people who don’t shower and smell, but all because someone looks like they will probably try to bite me and give me AIDS doesnt mean I am going to leave whatever establishment I am at and not pay for stuff I consumed.)
Nikita Athena Blue July 31st, 2014 at 01:08
It’s not about being offended; it’s about being endangered. And getting out of there before shit goes down. Cops won’t arrest you for doing that, that’s the point.
ihumpguns August 2nd, 2014 at 00:58
Wanna bet?
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:10
No-one is being endangered.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 17:25
They certainly will. If you leave without paying, it is theft. If an employee of the establishment you’ve just stiffed gets your license number and calls a cop, you’ll have a very unpleasant experience. Oh, you’ll also have a lifetime record of theft.
Semper fi
Constitutionalist July 30th, 2014 at 14:24
Just another uninformed liberal who hides in academia who knows nothing of the real world. Those who open carry are excercising their 2nd amendment right. Those who open carry are there to protect themselves from the criminal with an illegally concealed weapon. Maybe, the next time this sheltered fool wants to spout his liberal agenda under his 1st amendment right to do so, people should just leave his class, and not pay the university for it. I wonder how long he would last.
WW4 July 30th, 2014 at 16:11
Constitutionalist: with freedom comes responsibility. Understand that one can exercise their 2nd amendment right in any number of responsible ways and contexts that don’t involve disturbing decent people–concealed carry being one.
Ty Barr July 31st, 2014 at 16:36
Conceal a long rifle? How does one do that? Responsible way, they are being responsible. They are not pointing in a dangerous direction and since this does not mention anything else I assume a safety is on and do not have one in the chamber.
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:43
It is irresponsible to carry it inside a business for the purpose of making you feel better about your E.D. or tiny penis phenomenon, You do not know (nor does anyone else) if the safety is on, if there is a round in the chamber, and walking around with it loaded would make every point a dangerous direction. Guns go off, accidents happen, and this increases the chance of that.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:09
Whatever, Mr. Internet Psychologist.
P.S. I carry my 1911 openly, cocked-and-locked. Quite safe, I assure you.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 11:53
P.P.S. Your genitalia obsession is noted.
Ned Carter December 27th, 2014 at 12:36
A gun is a phallus you fucking idiot. The obsession isn’t mine, I am just pointing out those that need dick replacements to feel manly.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 14:18
Your phailed Interwebz Psychology(tm) is noted. Got any clinical evidence to support your assertion? Somehow, I doubt it.
And if you really believe your own nonsense, you should seek counseling.
Ned Carter December 27th, 2014 at 14:43
Weapons have always been dick replacements. You don’t need any kind of education to see that. Evidence is simply dick shaped, symbol of power that shoots a projectile out the end. Muck like clubs, swords, knives, polearms, lances… your inability to see the obvious is your problem, not mine. Must have such a tiny dick to not see the similarity.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 22:33
Citation to some reputable studies on this phenomenon you claim?
Because seriously, you seem to have a problem.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 16:23
Learning ancient history must have been very distracting for you!
Semper fi
PavePusher December 28th, 2014 at 23:55
Since when did soldiers use there dicks as weapons on the field of battle? When did the Citizen adopt their dick as a defensive weapon? Please, teach us this history you’ve discovered!
P.S. How do you explain female gun owners/carriers?
Ned Carter December 27th, 2014 at 14:45
I will even go as far as explain to you that the word VAGINA is Latin for Sheath… for the sword… which is dick. You fucking imbecile.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 22:37
So, you want to continue your fixation by proxy of an etymology for something rather different in form.
Clinically interesting, I’m sure.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 15:49
Only in YOUR mind is it a phallus.
Semper fi
Ned Carter December 28th, 2014 at 16:05
No. It’s a dick. Your service doesn’t make you right.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 16:22
Actually, it does! Having carried both for most of my adult life (or all of it in the case of my genitals which you seem so fascinated with), I am indeed an expert on the subject.
Semper fi
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:08
My lawfully, safely carried sidearm is not a threat to you, and any disturbance is a construct of your own mind.
I am a decent person, and my Constitutional Rights do not require camouflage.
kkseattle July 30th, 2014 at 23:16
Looking forward to visiting your children’s favorite playground with a nuke strapped to my back. Because, you know, the Second Amendment.
Jesse Redden August 3rd, 2014 at 14:56
It is not the nuclear weapon that kills people it is the finger that pushes the button. Conclusion; nuclear weapons are safe and it is okay for you to carry one.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 15:48
YOu really don’t know much about plutonium or cobalt, do you?!
Semper fi
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:06
Even if you have the funds, a nuclear bomb is not a defensive weapon.
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:41
He can’t spread your brains out on the wall with a shot from his mouth. Speech is an acceptable right to use in public. Carrying an assault rifle into a family restaurant is NOT to protect themselves from a criminal element. Do you have any idea how fucking impossible it would be to use these weapons in a defensive manner in an IHOP? These are attention starved imbeciles clinging to the one thing that makes them feel like they are important. It makes people see them, it puffs up their sad little egos.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:05
No-one is carrying “assault rifles”.
The weapons they have carried would serve just fine in defense. That’s why the police have them…..
Howard Marks August 1st, 2014 at 13:57
we all have a constitutional right to free speech. Should I exorcise it all the time by cursing at the top of my lungs or telling the open carry morons that they must have such a small penis to have to show off their steel substitute all the time?
No that would be impolite, uncivilized and unreasonable. Almost as impolite, irresponsible, unreasonable and uncivilized as walking into a family restaurant with long guns and scaring the crap out of people.
As we should have learned from Spiderman with rights come responsibilities. These morons want the former without the later proving they didn’t deserve the former in the first place.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:04
Peacefully and lawfully bearing a sidearm does not insult anyone, harm anyone, or cause a disturbance. No-one is threatened or harmed. Nor is it in any way irresponsible.
Your fear is your own invention, baseless and without support.
Jesse Redden August 3rd, 2014 at 14:53
When you say academia do you mean the cultural collection of knowledge it’s development and transmission across generations and it’s practitioners? Cowards hide behind their rights as a reason to act poorly.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 15:48
Academia is NOT the cultural collection of anything but people who’ve taken it upon themselves to pass on what THEY know, or believe. The cultural collection is held within repositories such as the Smithsonian.
Semper fi
Constitutionalist July 30th, 2014 at 14:24
Just another uninformed liberal who hides in academia who knows nothing of the real world. Those who open carry are excercising their 2nd amendment right. Those who open carry are there to protect themselves from the criminal with an illegally concealed weapon. Maybe, the next time this sheltered fool wants to spout his liberal agenda under his 1st amendment right to do so, people should just leave his class, and not pay the university for it. I wonder how long he would last.
WW4 July 30th, 2014 at 16:11
Constitutionalist: with freedom comes responsibility. Understand that one can exercise their 2nd amendment right in any number of responsible ways and contexts that don’t involve disturbing decent people–concealed carry being one.
Ty Barr July 31st, 2014 at 16:36
Conceal a long rifle? How does one do that? Responsible way, they are being responsible. They are not pointing in a dangerous direction and since this does not mention anything else I assume a safety is on and do not have one in the chamber.
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:43
It is irresponsible to carry it inside a business for the purpose of making you feel better about your E.D. or tiny penis phenomenon, You do not know (nor does anyone else) if the safety is on, if there is a round in the chamber, and walking around with it loaded would make every point a dangerous direction. Guns go off, accidents happen, and this increases the chance of that.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:09
Whatever, Mr. Internet Psychologist.
P.S. I carry my 1911 openly, cocked-and-locked. Quite safe, I assure you.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 12:53
P.P.S. Your genitalia obsession is noted.
Ned Carter December 27th, 2014 at 13:36
A gun is a phallus you fucking idiot. The obsession isn’t mine, I am just pointing out those that need dick replacements to feel manly.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 15:18
Your phailed Interwebz Psychology(tm) is noted. Got any clinical evidence to support your assertion? Somehow, I doubt it.
And if you really believe your own nonsense, you should seek counseling.
Ned Carter December 27th, 2014 at 15:43
Weapons have always been dick replacements. You don’t need any kind of education to see that. Evidence is simply dick shaped, symbol of power that shoots a projectile out the end. Muck like clubs, swords, knives, polearms, lances… your inability to see the obvious is your problem, not mine. Must have such a tiny dick to not see the similarity.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 23:33
Citation to some reputable studies on this phenomenon you claim?
Because seriously, you seem to have a problem.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 17:23
Learning ancient history must have been very distracting for you!
Semper fi
PavePusher December 29th, 2014 at 00:55
Since when did soldiers use there dicks as weapons on the field of battle? When did the Citizen adopt their dick as a defensive weapon? Please, teach us this history you’ve discovered!
P.S. How do you explain female gun owners/carriers?
Ned Carter December 27th, 2014 at 15:45
I will even go as far as explain to you that the word VAGINA is Latin for Sheath… for the sword… which is dick. You fucking imbecile.
PavePusher December 27th, 2014 at 23:37
So, you want to continue your fixation by proxy of an etymology for something rather different in form.
Clinically interesting, I’m sure.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 16:49
Only in YOUR mind is it a phallus.
Semper fi
Ned Carter December 28th, 2014 at 17:05
No. It’s a dick. Your service doesn’t make you right.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 17:22
Actually, it does! Having carried both for most of my adult life (or all of it in the case of my genitals which you seem so fascinated with), I am indeed an expert on the subject.
Semper fi
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:08
My lawfully, safely carried sidearm is not a threat to you, and any disturbance is a construct of your own mind.
I am a decent person, and my Constitutional Rights do not require camouflage.
kkseattle July 30th, 2014 at 23:16
Looking forward to visiting your children’s favorite playground with a nuke strapped to my back. Because, you know, the Second Amendment.
Jesse Redden August 3rd, 2014 at 14:56
It is not the nuclear weapon that kills people it is the finger that pushes the button. Conclusion; nuclear weapons are safe and it is okay for you to carry one.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 16:48
YOu really don’t know much about plutonium or cobalt, do you?!
Semper fi
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:06
Even if you have the funds, a nuclear bomb is not a defensive weapon.
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:41
He can’t spread your brains out on the wall with a shot from his mouth. Speech is an acceptable right to use in public. Carrying an assault rifle into a family restaurant is NOT to protect themselves from a criminal element. Do you have any idea how fucking impossible it would be to use these weapons in a defensive manner in an IHOP? These are attention starved imbeciles clinging to the one thing that makes them feel like they are important. It makes people see them, it puffs up their sad little egos.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:05
No-one is carrying “assault rifles”.
The weapons they have carried would serve just fine in defense. That’s why the police have them…..
Howard Marks August 1st, 2014 at 13:57
we all have a constitutional right to free speech. Should I exorcise it all the time by cursing at the top of my lungs or telling the open carry morons that they must have such a small penis to have to show off their steel substitute all the time?
No that would be impolite, uncivilized and unreasonable. Almost as impolite, irresponsible, unreasonable and uncivilized as walking into a family restaurant with long guns and scaring the crap out of people.
As we should have learned from Spiderman with rights come responsibilities. These morons want the former without the later proving they didn’t deserve the former in the first place.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:04
Peacefully and lawfully bearing a sidearm does not insult anyone, harm anyone, or cause a disturbance. No-one is threatened or harmed. Nor is it in any way irresponsible.
Your fear is your own invention, baseless and without support.
Jesse Redden August 3rd, 2014 at 14:53
When you say academia do you mean the cultural collection of knowledge it’s development and transmission across generations and it’s practitioners? Cowards hide behind their rights as a reason to act poorly.
John Crawford December 28th, 2014 at 16:48
Academia is NOT the cultural collection of anything but people who’ve taken it upon themselves to pass on what THEY know, or believe. The cultural collection is held within repositories such as the Smithsonian.
Semper fi
WW4 July 30th, 2014 at 16:03
I don’t know how many of these clowns there are to worry about. They may be “responsible” gun owners, otherwise, but taking them into stores and restaurants puts them in the “clown” category. How am I supposed to know they’re responsible–because they roam in groups and look like bovine chowderheads?
Concealed carry? No problem, there. The primary purpose, there, is protection; they really are exercising their rights. It’s not showtime for them.
Open carry? Showboating clowns looking to “make a statement.” Why the desire to make a statement, who knows, but I strongly suspect it is first and foremost because they are probably dumber than dirt and want to get a rise out of decent, normal people.
Joe Kendall July 30th, 2014 at 16:06
I think that you’ll find that with all demonstrations, the primary purpose is to get attention.
WW4 July 30th, 2014 at 16:12
True, but banners and slogans make me less edgy than rifles. Most of the time.
Joe Kendall July 30th, 2014 at 16:19
Looking at this objectively, let’s say they literally just wanted attention, whether it be positive or negative. They got a whole lot of it on a national level – something banners and slogans wouldn’t have done for them.
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:37
the fact that they are using their weapons openly to intimidate everyone around them shows that they are not responsible gun owners.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:01
No-one is trying to intimidate anyone.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 02:11
Constitutional Rights do not require camouflage.
WW4 July 30th, 2014 at 16:03
I don’t know how many of these clowns there are to worry about. They may be “responsible” gun owners, otherwise, but taking them into stores and restaurants puts them in the “clown” category. How am I supposed to know they’re responsible–because they roam in groups and look like bovine chowderheads?
Concealed carry? No problem, there. The primary purpose, there, is protection; they really are exercising their rights. It’s not showtime for them.
Open carry? Showboating clowns looking to “make a statement.” Why the desire to make a statement, who knows, but I strongly suspect it is first and foremost because they are dumber than dirt and want to get a rise out of decent, normal people.
Joe Kendall July 30th, 2014 at 16:06
I think that you’ll find that with all demonstrations, the primary purpose is to get attention.
WW4 July 30th, 2014 at 16:12
True, but banners and slogans make me less edgy than rifles. Most of the time.
Joe Kendall July 30th, 2014 at 16:19
Looking at this objectively, let’s say they literally just wanted attention, whether it be positive or negative. They got a whole lot of it on a national level – something banners and slogans wouldn’t have done for them.
WW4 July 30th, 2014 at 16:35
I guess I would ask (subjectively): attention for what, exactly? Has there been any significant movement against the 2nd Amendment?
It reminds me of this new trend of belching black exhaust from your truck. Ostensibly to piss off liberals. That’s actually kinda funny, in theory. Problem is, those of us who aren’t liberals also have to breathe that, too (yep, we got ‘smoked’ at an outdoor ice cream stand last week). So that’s not too fun for everyone else.
And why, because clean air is pansy liberal collectivism?
So these clowns are not helping me understand an issue; they’re just creating an unnecessary problem for me.
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:37
the fact that they are using their weapons openly to intimidate everyone around them shows that they are not responsible gun owners.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:01
No-one is trying to intimidate anyone.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 02:11
Constitutional Rights do not require camouflage.
Joe Kendall July 30th, 2014 at 16:10
Shouldn’t liberals support liberal gun-rights? Or am I using that term too liberally…
stevenveldt July 30th, 2014 at 17:02
If you’re afraid of the gun because you don’t know the person behind it. Perhaps instead of running away you get to know the person behind the gun and find out that not only are they exercising their rights to protect themselves but also to protect you from those that may have ill intent. Then rather than isolate those that take on this social role you may welcome their presence. I believe there is a place for open as well as concealed carry. Open reminds criminals that there are guns here and if there is a criminal who targets an open carrier first, concealed to remind the criminals that not all the guns are out in the open. Guns keep you safe, maniacs and criminals and idiots jeopardize that.
MinnJRJ July 30th, 2014 at 17:21
The fact that they imagine they are taking on a “social role” and performing a service reveals all that one needs to know. They are bit-players in America’s highest stakes LARP. They aren’t exercising rights, they are massaging their egos in an inherently antisocial manner.
Mike List July 30th, 2014 at 17:23
You are seriously suggesting engaging a potential assailant instead of putting distance between you and the unknown armed individual. Try that in any large city, good luck.
PavePusher December 28th, 2014 at 23:50
Happens quite successfully quite frequently.
http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/
RockMarz July 30th, 2014 at 20:45
you are seriously a picture of a moron
kkseattle July 30th, 2014 at 23:12
Sure, get to know the Fort Hood killer. Get to know the Virginia Tech killer. Get to know the Luby’s killer. Oops! Turns out they’re maniacs and criminals! Who knew?!
blisschick July 31st, 2014 at 11:23
Let me get this straight–they’re walking around with a huge loaded weapon, and it’s my responsibility to approach this person with peace, love and understanding?
Nope. My job is to live by my values and teach my kids them as well, and one of those values is that guns allow situations to escalate to Code Lethal in a matter of seconds. Another is that people who feel the need to carry are paranoid.
Summary: I don’t want to live in a world where everyone needs to carry a gun in order to feel safe. I see the gun, I’m outta there. Period.
PavePusher December 28th, 2014 at 23:47
“…one of those values is that guns allow situations to escalate to Code Lethal in a matter of seconds.”
And nothing else can be employed for that? (By the way, guns don’t escalate anything, unless you believe in animism. People escalate.)
They are doing nothing illegal or threatening to you, so, yeah, put your bigotry aside and strike up a conversation with them.
Or continue your hate and ignorance. Good luck with that.
Nic D Waldron July 31st, 2014 at 19:59
Oh the irony of a guy who probably lives in some backwoods hell hole just so he doesn’t have to come face to face with “those people” telling everyone to be more open minded and not so “isolated.”
Tell you what… I’ll start doing this just as soon you open carry loons head to the south side of Chicago and try talking to all the “thugs” you think are so dangerous and scary. I mean, I’d HATE to assume you’re a bunch of hypocrites who wants special rights afforded to you that you refuse to afford to others.
danah gaz July 31st, 2014 at 20:43
I’m not going to walk up and greet some random man who is walking around with a gun in his hands.
First of all, the man is carrying a gun in his hands. I have no idea what he intends to do with it, and would rather not make myself the most accessible target.
Secondly, women don’t do that sort of thing, because men are pigs and tend to read far too much into random women approaching them and saying hello.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 02:11
Your misandry is noted.
danah gaz August 3rd, 2014 at 11:06
I sprinkle misandry on my cornflakes.
Jesse Redden August 3rd, 2014 at 14:44
Why would I want to get to know anybody who walks around with a tool designed to destroy human life? Why would I want to know a person who gets off on making families feel uncomfortable? “They are exercising their rights to protect themselves but also to protect you from those that may have ill intent” that would be the police’s job are you advocating vigilante justice? Are you aware that despite all of the guns and loose gun laws America is not less violent and this can be demonstrated statistically?
stevenveldt July 30th, 2014 at 17:02
If you’re afraid of the gun because you don’t know the person behind it. Perhaps instead of running away you get to know the person behind the gun and find out that not only are they exercising their rights to protect themselves but also to protect you from those that may have ill intent. Then rather than isolate those that take on this social role you may welcome their presence. I believe there is a place for open as well as concealed carry. Open reminds criminals that there are guns here and if there is a criminal who targets an open carrier first, concealed to remind the criminals that not all the guns are out in the open. Guns keep you safe, maniacs and criminals and idiots jeopardize that.
MinnJRJ July 30th, 2014 at 17:21
The fact that they imagine they are taking on a “social role” and performing a service reveals all that one needs to know. They are bit-players in America’s highest stakes LARP. They aren’t exercising rights, they are massaging their egos in an inherently antisocial manner.
Mike List July 30th, 2014 at 17:23
You are seriously suggesting engaging a potential assailant instead of putting distance between you and the unknown armed individual. Try that in any large city, good luck.
PavePusher December 29th, 2014 at 00:50
Happens quite successfully quite frequently.
http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/
kkseattle July 30th, 2014 at 23:12
Sure, get to know the Fort Hood killer. Get to know the Virginia Tech killer. Get to know the Luby’s killer. Oops! Turns out they’re maniacs and criminals! Who knew?!
blisschick July 31st, 2014 at 11:23
Let me get this straight–they’re walking around with a huge loaded weapon, and it’s my responsibility to approach this person with peace, love and understanding?
Nope. My job is to live by my values and teach my kids them as well, and one of those values is that guns allow situations to escalate to Code Lethal in a matter of seconds. Another is that people who feel the need to carry are paranoid.
Summary: I don’t want to live in a world where everyone needs to carry a gun in order to feel safe. I see the gun, I’m outta there. Period.
PavePusher December 29th, 2014 at 00:47
“…one of those values is that guns allow situations to escalate to Code Lethal in a matter of seconds.”
And nothing else can be employed for that? (By the way, guns don’t escalate anything, unless you believe in animism. People escalate.)
They are doing nothing illegal or threatening to you, so, yeah, put your bigotry aside and strike up a conversation with them.
Or continue your hate and ignorance. Good luck with that.
Ned Carter July 31st, 2014 at 17:36
Genius, they carry assault rifles to the restaurant as a conversation starter, not as a dick replacement or an intimidation tool. Amazing idea.
Nic D Waldron July 31st, 2014 at 19:59
Oh the irony of a guy who probably lives in some backwoods hell hole just so he doesn’t have to come face to face with “those people” telling everyone to be more open minded and not so “isolated.”
Tell you what… I’ll start doing this just as soon you open carry loons head to the south side of Chicago and try talking to all the “thugs” you think are so dangerous and scary. I mean, I’d HATE to assume you’re a bunch of hypocrites who wants special rights afforded to you that you refuse to afford to others.
danah gaz July 31st, 2014 at 20:43
I’m not going to walk up and greet some random man who is walking around with a gun in his hands.
First of all, the man is carrying a gun in his hands. I have no idea what he intends to do with it, and would rather not make myself the most accessible target.
Secondly, women don’t do that sort of thing, because too many men are pigs and tend to read far too much into random women approaching them and saying hello.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 02:11
Your misandry is noted.
danah gaz August 3rd, 2014 at 11:06
I sprinkle misandry on my cornflakes.
Jesse Redden August 3rd, 2014 at 14:44
Why would I want to get to know anybody who walks around with a tool designed to destroy human life? Why would I want to know a person who gets off on making families feel uncomfortable? “They are exercising their rights to protect themselves but also to protect you from those that may have ill intent” that would be the police’s job are you advocating vigilante justice? Are you aware that despite all of the guns and loose gun laws America is not less violent and this can be demonstrated statistically?
mea_mark July 30th, 2014 at 17:44
If you wish to post here try to not be so condescending. Rewrite your post with the points you wish to make without being so judgmental others.
Ymmit Sebrof July 30th, 2014 at 18:16
Hmmm…what, exactly, was condescending? The comparison of tactics of the two parties? My “drink the kool aid” remark? I tried to match the rather condescending remark from Mr Kendal (but I see his was ok)…
mea_mark July 30th, 2014 at 18:35
You were escalating it in numerous ways. Tone it down or leave. This debate is heated enough as it is. I don’t need you throwing gas and both sides.
Ymmit Sebrof July 31st, 2014 at 07:29
Well! Since I sought to educate those I identified with, was summarily ostracized by that group, and then when I defended my position was told by admin to basically drink the kool aid from one side or the other, but DON’T point out the poison in both or be banned (and honestly, my comment was less inflammatory than most of the “liberals” here who have been calling for imprisonment of legal gun owners in other threads!)…I guess that means I have hit the wall! It’s official. Liberals can hence forth defend themselves (and you are terrible at it, BTW) against conservative cries of, “Communist!”…maybe they’re right. Maybe you DO have to hate freedom to be a liberal. I’m out. I’ll no longer vote for ANYONE who’s platform includes even a smidge of gun control…it’s obvious to me now that this issue will show your true colors. Anti-Constitution (non-citizens who are terrorists had better be treated well, but a citizen following our constitution should be summarily jailed!), anti-American lunatics! Welcome to Amerika. Even my father (a minister and registered Democrat his entire life) felt that this treatment was wrong and biased. Congratulations, admin! You just lost THREE voters (plus anyone who will listen) by attacking the centrist. THIS is why the democrats can’t consistently win elections…
mea_mark July 31st, 2014 at 11:04
You are banned for going way off topic and being even more condescending toward management and the people that help make this site run.
ihumpguns August 2nd, 2014 at 01:01
I don’t see posts claiming gun owners are less of men, have small dicks, or are homosexuals being deleted. Those are pretty judgemental and condescending.
PavePusher August 3rd, 2014 at 23:16
Perhaps you could be even-handed and impartial with that judgment?
Alan Jones July 30th, 2014 at 18:06
I don’t agree with the professor. I pay my way thru life I would pay the bill. If I was not finished I would ask for a doggie bag make sure my family was out of the restaurant and safe. Then I would ask for the manager. I would tell him I will not be back until open carry is banned there. There are far to many other restaurants that agree with me. I would also go and post my feelings on blogs for restaurants as to what happened!
Alan Jones July 30th, 2014 at 18:06
I don’t agree with the professor. I pay my way thru life I would pay the bill. If I was not finished I would ask for a doggie bag make sure my family was out of the restaurant and safe. Then I would ask for the manager. I would tell him I will not be back until open carry is banned there. There are far to many other restaurants that agree with me. I would also go and post my feelings on blogs for restaurants as to what happened!
maxcat07 July 30th, 2014 at 18:34
Just one question: why are people who are justifiably afraid of these “open carry” nuts still arguing with Joe Kendall here? You have to realize, just by the number and length of his posts, that he’s out to “get” each and every one of you. If that’s not the definition of a troll, I don’t know what is.
mea_mark July 30th, 2014 at 18:39
Some people like to feed the trolls.
maxcat07 July 30th, 2014 at 18:34
Just one question: why are people who are justifiably afraid of these “open carry” nuts still arguing with Joe Kendall here? You have to realize, just by the number and length of his posts, that he’s out to “get” each and every one of you. If that’s not the definition of a troll, I don’t know what is.
mea_mark July 30th, 2014 at 18:39
Some people like to feed the trolls.