Bob Bergdahl, Released POW’s Dad Is A–Republican
Click here for reuse options!In June 2010, Robert Bergdahl, the father of released American POW Bowe Bergdahl, gave a speech at an Idaho Republican Party fundraiser. In one of his first public appearances during his son’s five-year captivity, he asked the conservative audience to show compassion for his son’s captors—and, in a twist that foretold the plot of Homeland—he alleged that the United States had killed one of those captor’s children with a drone strike…
“I grew up in a conservative family in Los Angeles,” he said with a smile. “My father was for Goldwater. He wore a Nixon button in our liberal Jewish neighborhood. I was the lone U.C. Santa Barbara surfer who voted for Ronald Reagan.” Many in the audience nodded in approval, and then Bergdahl talked about the work of retrieving his son.
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BlowinInTheWind June 8th, 2014 at 13:00
Give his dad a duck and a gun, he assumes a whole nother “dynasty”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/12/28/msnbc-s-dyson-phil-robertson-and-duck-dynasty-part-majority-white-sup
Gene_G June 8th, 2014 at 20:42
And, naturally, NewsBluster is really, really miffed that journalists would dare to point out that the Duck Dynassclowns are hueueueuuuuuge heroes among AmeriKKKa’s white supremacist subculture.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:14
You sound like a racist.
Orrin Cratch June 9th, 2014 at 22:36
Actually, no. He sounds like he is relaying quite verifiable facts.
You, on the other hand, sound like a douchenozzle who reflexively plays the race card when someone points out quite accurately that the Duck Dynassclowns celebs are heroes among America’s white supremacist subculture.
And the reason you sound like a reactionary douchenozzle is that you are a douchenozzle.
So suck it, douchenozzle.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:41
Very mature of you. Does your mother know you use that kind of language?
You comments are hateful and racist.
BlowinInTheWind June 8th, 2014 at 13:00
Give his dad a duck and a gun, he assumes a whole nother “dynasty”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/12/28/msnbc-s-dyson-phil-robertson-and-duck-dynasty-part-majority-white-sup
Gene_G June 8th, 2014 at 20:42
And, naturally, NewsBluster is really, really miffed that journalists would dare to point out that the Duck Dynassclowns are hueueueuuuuuge heroes among AmeriKKKa’s white supremacist subculture.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:14
You sound like a racist.
Orrin Cratch June 9th, 2014 at 22:36
Actually, no. He sounds like he is relaying quite verifiable facts.
You, on the other hand, sound like a douchenozzle who reflexively plays the race card when someone points out quite accurately that the Duck Dynassclowns celebs are heroes among America’s white supremacist subculture.
And the reason you sound like a reactionary douchenozzle is that you are a douchenozzle.
So suck it, douchenozzle.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:41
Very mature of you. Does your mother know you use that kind of language?
You comments are hateful and racist.
granpa.usthai June 8th, 2014 at 13:18
when overly spoiled privileged class WHITE RACIST Republican brats go into their tempie tantrum to get the ‘Hawaiian’ out of the White House, their is no rhyme or reason to their actions/words.
granpa.usthai June 8th, 2014 at 13:18
when overly spoiled privileged class WHITE RACIST Republican brats go into their tempie tantrum to get the ‘Hawaiian’ out of the White House, their is no rhyme or reason to their actions/words.
fancypants June 8th, 2014 at 13:23
Republican or not
I feel sorry for bergdahls father who must be heartbroken that his kid doesn’t want to talk to him. Its very sad
Dave Lanson June 8th, 2014 at 15:26
Maybe his communication skills are screwed up. He went five years without being around anyone speaking English. I would think he wants to be able to speak normally and comprehend speech correctly before he talks to his parents.
fancypants June 8th, 2014 at 15:42
the reason I read was the psychologists in Germany say he is not mentally fit to speak to his parents. His reaction ( if indeed bowe did say he didn’t want to speak to his parents ) suggests to me that the Taliban screwed with his mind about how he was raised.
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 15:43
The official statement was he “doesn’t YET want to talk to his family on the phone.” As in not ready. No one seems to understand this better than Bob Bergdahl, who compared his son’s emergence from captivity to a deep sea diver’s rapid ascent: “Bowe has been gone so long that it’s going to be very difficult to come back … if he comes up too fast, it could kill him.” Sad? Perhaps, but I seriously doubt Mr. Bergdahl is heartbroken at the prospect of waiting a few more days or weeks to allow his son the time he needs to deal with his release and reintegration process on his own terms. If anything, Bergdahl Senior, the epitome of a loving father, has demonstrated the patience of a saint.
fancypants June 8th, 2014 at 13:23
Republican or not
I feel sorry for bergdahls father who must be heartbroken that his kid doesn’t want to talk to him. Its very sad
Dave Lanson June 8th, 2014 at 15:26
Maybe his communication skills are screwed up. He went five years without being around anyone speaking English. I would think he wants to be able to speak normally and comprehend speech correctly before he talks to his parents.
fancypants June 8th, 2014 at 15:42
the reason I read was the psychologists in Germany say he is not mentally fit to speak to his parents. His reaction ( if indeed bowe did say he didn’t want to speak to his parents ) suggests to me that the Taliban screwed with his mind about how he was raised.
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 15:43
The official statement was he “doesn’t YET want to talk to his family on the phone.” As in not ready. No one seems to understand this better than Bob Bergdahl, who compared his son’s emergence from captivity to a deep sea diver’s rapid ascent: “Bowe has been gone so long that it’s going to be very difficult to come back … if he comes up too fast, it could kill him.” Sad? Perhaps, but I seriously doubt Mr. Bergdahl is heartbroken at the prospect of waiting a few more days or weeks to allow his son the time he needs to deal with his release and reintegration process on his own terms. If anything, Bergdahl Senior, the epitome of a loving father, has demonstrated the patience of a saint.
Jack Williams June 8th, 2014 at 13:47
How and the hell can this page support a deserter?????
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 13:53
So far there is no proof about anyone being a deserter. When the facts come in that determination will be made. Until them speculation is just speculation.
PamB1 June 8th, 2014 at 14:11
YOU are not the judge and jury. All the rest of the soldiers who felt the same way, killed themselves. He will be tried for any crimes he did commit. In the meantime, are you wishing they would have left him there, and watched videos of his body being dragged through the streets….?
fancypants June 8th, 2014 at 14:19
because this page doesn’t convict before justice has been served
There are plenty of rwnj websites that think the same as you Pack a lunch and head over there please.
Shades June 8th, 2014 at 15:51
And if Obama had left him there to die you and your ilk would be screaming that Obama had abandoned him.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:13
Do you feel the same way about the Marine being falsely held in Mexico? Or should we just leave him there because he was a gun owner and Bergdahl left his base unarmed?
Shades June 10th, 2014 at 09:06
Poor Bob. You reek of desperation, comparing apples to oranges. Why someone as yourself, who appears at first glance, to have at least an average IQ, would subject himself to the constant humiliation of trolling is beyond me. You must be very lonely.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 11:56
I guess you don’t have an answer so you change the subject. If I didn’t come on this site you wouldn’t have someone to pick on.
Shades June 10th, 2014 at 15:30
Don’t flatter yourself lonely boy. You’re not my type.
TiredOfThemAll June 10th, 2014 at 13:03
I think the prescribed protocol is being followed for this very different case.
BBK713 June 8th, 2014 at 15:53
So, thanks for identifying yourself as but ANOTHER turd who wasn’t over there when Sgt. Bergdahl was, didn’t actually SEE what he did or did not do, and have reject the American concept of “innocent until proven guilty.” Nice going, (*&*$^*! This man hasn’t even been CHARGED with a crime. Why? The Pentagon is INVESTIGATING, and may decide that NO CRIME WAS EVER COMMITTED. This seems more and more likely as days pass. Why? First, it occurs to anyone with a working mind that the Taliban captured this American Combat Soldier and…what? Congratulated him? Took him out to get a good meal and get laid? Put him in a damning video supporting Fundamental Islam and condemning the United States? No. They IMPRISONED HIM. And, according to the sergeant, they TORTURED him. That’s one hell of a way to treat a deserter, now isn’t it? So, Jackoff Williams.
ddakgram June 8th, 2014 at 16:18
Regardless of the circumstances of his imprisonment, he is above all an American and an American soldier. “No man left behind” has no stipulations. Possibly the most he can be charged with is AWOL and his punishment would probably consist of time served as a POW. How the HEdoublehockeysticks can you call him a deserter when the military hasn’t said he is!?
William June 8th, 2014 at 22:03
How and the hell can this page support a deserter?????
In America we support the presumption of innocence until convicted. It’s one of our fundamental principles. Whats it like in your country?
Bob Waas June 8th, 2014 at 23:56
“In America we support the presumption of innocence until convicted. It’s one of our fundamental principles.” Yea, like you all did with George Zimmerman. Every liberal on this site convicted him before the facts were known. Even Obama, Sharpton, and Jackson convicted him.
Then after he was acquitted, they still said he was guilty; even though the evidence proved otherwise.
You should have said, we support the presumption of innocence for all liberals until convicted; and then after they are found guilty, we will blame the conservatives for being unfair. That would have been more believable.
William June 9th, 2014 at 00:10
Only a right wing chickenhawk idiot would try to weasel out of a point by comparing a returned POW’s alledged misconduct to a racist cop wanna-be murdering a kid.
Do try to stay on subject.
Dwendt44 June 9th, 2014 at 01:13
For one, Zimmerman admitted shooting Martin. The claim that he was attacked with a bag of skittles and an ice tea was a bit bazaar.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 09:17
I guess the evidence that it was self-defense and his acquittal by a jury of his peers doesn’t matter to you. You make Martin out to be a choir boy and he was anything but. He had a history of aggression and at the time he was much bigger than Zimmerman. He was also sent to live with his father because his mother could no longer handle him.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 09:19
It was on subject, you made a false statement and I showed evidence to prove you wrong.
As for your POW, according to many eye witnesses, he is a deserter.
William June 9th, 2014 at 10:22
According to the Constitution and the Uniform code of military justice, he is innocent until proven guilty. You would know that if you had ever read the Constitution or served your country.
Fox news, the drug soaked draft dodger and the bipolar drunk tell you he’s guilty, and you happily lap it up.
You’re not only a sad excuse for an American, but as a human being you have stopped thinking and reasoning for yourself.
…and you wonder why you and your ilk lose elections and hover at the single digit approval ratings.
It’s funny how you are all about due process until it involves a soldier.
Is it some sort of therapy for your own guilt and shame?
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 16:43
How come you all shouted me down when I said the same thing about George Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty?
As an Independent, I don’t have an ilk. I try to vote for the candidate who best represents the interest and laws of the country. Funny how you are rolling out the Constitution when you’ve been applauding a president who has ignored it for five years.
It’s not about Bergdahl, it is about releasing 5 dangerous terrorist. I was listening to Diane Feinstein criticize the decision; where does she fit in your description of those with whom you disagree? Is she the drug soaked draft dodger or the bipolar drunk?
I fly my flag and support our troops and pray for them daily. I can’t say the same for the DHS who listed returning veterans as terrorist risks. Bill O’Reilly and his listeners have donated more than 15 million dollars for Wounded Warrior Project to purchase new track chairs for the veterans. Sean Hannity also supports troops too. I don’t think you’ll find any on the other cable news stations doing as much.
William June 10th, 2014 at 00:56
Bill O’Reilly ? Sean Hannity ? All of a sudden so much about you is so very clear. Your perpetual ignorance is now validated.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/28/10_biggest_lies_spewed_by_sean_hannity/
Oreilly? Proof that Democrats fire their phone sex harassment perverts. The right simply embraces them. Happy Loofah day.
Flying your flag and praying might help relieve your guilt and shame, but it doesn’t actually build one single veterans hospital.
Yeah we know how that effort worked out don’t we?
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 15:40
You call Salon a reputable site? They use Media Matters as a resource. It only took one check to disprove one of their assertions. Obama did refer to the violence in Libya as a bump in the road. Here it is in his own words. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-calls-recent-middle-east-violence-bumps-road_652971.html
The VA problems have nothing to do with money. It is poorly managed and has even less oversight. It is a federal bureaucracy. The VA budget has almost doubled since 2005 and they ended 2013 with almost a half billion dollar surplus. The liberals solution to every problem is to throw money at it and when they don’t get their way they demonize those who oppose them.
“VA Expects To Have More Medical-Care Funding Than It Can Spend For The Fifth Year In A Row”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/27/va-expects-to-have-more-medical-care-funding-than-it-can-spend-for-the-fifth-year-in-a-row/#ixzz34GbokVa3
arc99 June 10th, 2014 at 15:54
you are truly amazing Bob. you repeatedly rail against liberals for immediately dismissing any source of information that is not liberal, then here you are claiming that neither Salon nor Media maters are reputable. as always, no one is more guilty of the behavior for which you criticize others, than you.
and your lack of any substantive proof that Media Matters or Salon were wrong on the facts is noted.
as usual, you right wingers make accusations, NEVER back them up with facts, and garnish the whole mess with a large scoop of hypocrisy.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:41
I provided evidence where the president said it in his own words; unless you think they dubbed the video.
Salon and Media Matters don’t even hide their bias. I’m sure there are some honest ones that we could both agree are reliable sources.
As for the VA budget evidence, how about this site. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/vet.html
And, if that one isn’t considered a reliable source, try CNN http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/opinion/nicholson-va-money/
Both of my responses supports my earlier post, so what part do you have an issue with?
arc99 June 10th, 2014 at 17:10
I asked for a direct link to Salon or Media Matters where they were wrong on the facts. You did not provide such a link.
I have an issue with you saying that they are not credible sources. When you make an accusation about anyone or anything, you do not rely on someone else’s words. When I accuse dailycaller of being a lying right wing rag, I provide a direct link to dailycaller.
So again, please provide a direct link to Media Matters or Salon where their reporting was wrong on the facts.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 17:55
I provided you with a link where Obama in an interview with CBS referred to the violence in Libya as a bump in the road. This was shortly after the attack in Benghazi.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-calls-recent-middle-east-violence-bumps-road_652971.html
In 1973, Holdren encouraged a decline in fertility to well below replacement in the United States, because “210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many.” In 1977, Paul R. Ehrlich, Anne H. Ehrlich, and Holdren co-authored the textbook Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment; they discussed the possible role of a wide variety of means to address overpopulation. Just as Hannity said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren
Holdren tried to back off this when he was being questioned, but it was written in his book.
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
arc99 June 10th, 2014 at 18:17
bottom line, you cannot provide a single example directly from their websites demonstrating that Salon and Media Matters were wrong on the facts and therefore may not be credible sources.
you cannot provide a very basic substantiation of your claim.
Salon and Media Matters are quite credible sources, when it comes to the facts. You may not like the opinions which surround those facts, but that is not the issue. An opinion that you disagree with does not mean the source is not credible when it comes to the relevant facts of an issue being debated.
Your inability to provide even a single example where they were wrong on the facts is indicative that your claim about the credibility of Salon and Media Matters is completely false.
mea_mark June 10th, 2014 at 17:32
Salon and Media Matters are acceptable sites to use for reference around here. If you don’t like it you are free to leave. Be careful about posting links to dailycaller and other right-wing sites that are questionable, they may just simply get deleted.
TiredOfThemAll June 10th, 2014 at 16:25
You call Daily caller and Weekly standard credible sources????
They just use each other or themselves as sources.
Do they break down the money?
Is it discretionary?
Do they know?
From; BudgetSubmission/Fy2014_Budget_Rollout.pdf
“• Medical Care request is $157.5 million above the enacted advance appropriations level for 2014
2015
• Request for Medical Care Advance Appropriations is $1.1 billion (1.9%) above the 2014 request in the 2014 Budget
From where in the budget do they get that??
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:52
Here is the proof I provided to Arc99 which is a source other than those I previously provided and ones that are difficult to refute.
As for the VA budget evidence, how about this site. http://www.whitehouse.gov/site…
And, if that one isn’t considered a reliable source, try CNN http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/…
TiredOfThemAll June 10th, 2014 at 17:06
Re; the whitehouse site; I searched for Va, and Veteran;
I got only;
West Wing Week 04/25/14 or, “POTUS Dreams of Sushi”
The White House
Apr 25, 12:36 PM
Welcome to the West Wing Week, your guide to everything that’s happening at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. This week, the White House celebrated Easter, and the President began a week-long trip to Asia, while the First Lady and Dr. Biden hosted a Career Forum on Veterans Jobs.
______
CNN site yields, “page can not be found”.
But I gave you the actual budget.
The budgets for other years are here;
http://www.va.gov/budget/products.asp
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 18:06
I heard and read from several sources regarding the VA having a budget surplus. Try this one. http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/opinion/nicholson-va-money/
By David A. Fahrenthold, Published: September 28, 2013
“This past week, the Department of Veterans Affairs bought $562,000 worth of artwork.” This doesn’t sound like an organization suffering budget problems. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-congress-fights-over-the-budget-agencies-go-on-their-use-it-or-lose-it-shopping-sprees/2013/09/28/b8eef3cc-254c-11e3-b3e9-d97fb087acd6_story.html
TiredOfThemAll June 10th, 2014 at 18:32
Again, the CNN piece is an opinion piece that gives no actual numbers from the budget.
(Also, the author seems to have a chip on his shoulder about gays still not being treated equally), and the Fiunder of his organization, Paul Rieckhoff, supported Shinseki.
In the WaPo piece, they say; “The reason for their haste is a system set up by Congress that, in many cases, requires agencies to spend all their allotted funds by Sept. 30”
So what is wrong with the actual budget, and were does it say there is money allocated for medical care that is carried over?
mea_mark June 10th, 2014 at 18:48
Artwork can be valuable in the healing process as it helps set a conducive atmosphere for relaxing and healing. Excessive stress is detrimental, and artwork may provide a bigger bang for the buck in the healing process than most of the other things that money gets spent on.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 22:42
Artwork in lieu of spending money on health care? Then why blame the Republicans for lack of funds when they have a surplus?
Obewon June 10th, 2014 at 23:13
VA’s mere $500K in art is an inexpensive excellent investment in the healing process of today’s record number of Iraq War vets including 1/3 with PTSD. USA’s longest war total cost is $4 trillion plus $2 Trillion in New VA costs totaling $6T. Time to payup TP. …Only $5 Trillion more just to pay off Halliburton Cheney’s faux oil war after GWB snorted CBO’s continuing $5.6 T Surplus, leaving $11 T+ Debt as Dubya’s 10/1/08 to 9/30/09 FY-09 record deficits exploded to US record 4 month $1.3T realized deficit on 1/20/09. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/02/steny-hoyer/steny-hoyer-says-george-w-bush-inherited-56-trilli/
William June 10th, 2014 at 21:35
Weekly standard?
Daily Caller?
Ha,Ha Ha. Ha
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 22:32
How about from John Boehner’s office? The internet is full of reports regarding the VA’s surplus for the year. You still think lack of money was the issue?
From 2000 to 2013, medical care spending at the VA rose 193 percent while the number of VA patients increased only 68 percent.
In April of this year, the House passed legislation increasing overall funding for the VA by $1.5 billion, including a $20 million increase over the president’s request to help resolve the VA backlog.
“The VA has spent a total of $489 million to upgrade conference rooms, buy draperies, and purchase new office furniture during the past four-and-a-half years.”
Continuing a trend of being unable to spend all of its budget, the “VA expects to carry over $450 million in medical-care funding from fiscal year 2014 to fiscal year 2015.”
– See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/general/key-facts-va-funding-prove-accountability-issue#sthash.TCGpXDe5.dpuf
William June 10th, 2014 at 21:40
You can deny and divert all that you want but the repugs blocked the building of VA hospitals that would have handled the extra business. No amount of diversions to the Zimmerman case can change that.
Repubs own that.
William June 10th, 2014 at 21:39
Sean Hannity also supports troops too. ..
BS.
Back seat General Hannidy had an opportunity to help the troops AND prove his assertion that waterboarding wasn’t torture. What did he do?
slink away like the yellow stain little b*tch that he is.
No surprise that you identify with this little weasel.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/01/31/1518741/sean-hannity-waterboard/
William June 10th, 2014 at 08:56
“It was on subject, you made a false statement and I showed evidence to prove you wrong”.
Opinion is not evidence. Please show your “evidence”. The tired old trick of comparing two completely unrelated events works on Fox fed armchair generals and gap toothed mullet heads, but not actual people who think for themselves.
I’ll wait right here for your “evidence”.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 12:01
The evidence was George Zimmerman. You all convicted him before the evidence was presented. According to you he was guilty until proven innocent; which is quite opposite of what you said the constitution says. I said, in your world it only applies to liberals and I was right and the teacher and his student story proves it. You deemed the teacher guilty of a racist remark, but didn’t give him an opportunity to explain what happen; instead you were all calling for blood. It is hypocritical.
William June 10th, 2014 at 13:26
Do you always lie when you get butthurt?. Zimmerman admitted to shooting that kid. Further.
I used the word “alleged” in my opinion of the article concerning the teachers alleged remark. (Read it again)
Now about that evidence…still waiting.
” instead you were all calling for blood”
That’s right it’s one big conspiracy. On the second Tuesday of the month “we all” get together and call for blood.
When one considers your source of information, it’s no wonder you continue to look the fool.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 15:09
Zimmerman did admit he shot him. He is the one who called 911. Folks are this site then went on to call him a racist; without facts, and a murderer; which he wasn’t. Even after he was acquitted and in some recent posts some are saying he is guilty of murder; when the evidence (his bruises) and eye witnesses proved otherwise.
All the self-righteous who were denying Zimmerman his due process and calling him a racist, found nothing racist with Trayvon referring to George as a ‘Creepy-Ass Cracker’.
Donna Carol June 10th, 2014 at 18:59
If I were a young black guy & had someone stalking me I would call him.a “creepy-ass Cracker” too. Come on it has been proven that Zimmerman is a racist. If Zimmermann had done as he was told by the 911 operator, Trayvon would still be alive today. It has been proven that Zimmerman is a pathological liar.
Donna Carol June 10th, 2014 at 18:46
George Zimmerman is, was, & will always be guilty of killing Trayvon Martin, same holds true for OJ Simpson is guilty of killing Nicole Brown Simpson & Ron Goldman & Casey Anthony is guilty of killing her little girl Kaylee. Just because they weren’t found guilty doesn’t mean they aren’t guilty. Yes, I am a liberal & proud of it. I believe in justice ( no justice prevailed in either of these 3 cases). Bowe Bergdahl saga will play out in court & then we will see if he is guilty as charged.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 23:42
So, you get to decide who is guilty or innocent. Did you tell the justice department, they could close all the courts and just email you for your opinion.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 01:22
How and the hell can you prove anyone deserted anything?????
Jack Williams June 8th, 2014 at 13:47
How and the hell can this page support a deserter?????
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 13:53
So far there is no proof about anyone being a deserter. When the facts come in that determination will be made. Until then speculation is just speculation.
PamB1 June 8th, 2014 at 14:11
YOU are not the judge and jury. All the rest of the soldiers who felt the same way, killed themselves. He will be tried for any crimes he did commit. In the meantime, are you wishing they would have left him there, and watched videos of his body being dragged through the streets….?
fancypants June 8th, 2014 at 14:19
because this page doesn’t convict before justice has been served
There are plenty of rwnj websites that think the same as you Pack a lunch and head over there please.
Shades June 8th, 2014 at 15:51
And if Obama had left him there to die you and your ilk would be screaming that Obama had abandoned him.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:13
Do you feel the same way about the Marine being falsely held in Mexico? Or should we just leave him there because he was a gun owner and Bergdahl left his base unarmed?
Shades June 10th, 2014 at 09:06
Poor Bob. You reek of desperation, comparing apples to oranges. Why someone as yourself, who appears at first glance, to have at least an average IQ, would subject himself to the constant humiliation of trolling is beyond me. You must be very lonely.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 11:56
I guess you don’t have an answer so you change the subject. If I didn’t come on this site you wouldn’t have someone to pick on.
Shades June 10th, 2014 at 15:30
Don’t flatter yourself lonely boy. You’re not my type.
OldLefty June 10th, 2014 at 13:03
I think the prescribed protocol is being followed for this very different case.
Bill Edelman June 8th, 2014 at 15:53
So, thanks for identifying yourself as but ANOTHER turd who wasn’t over there when Sgt. Bergdahl was, didn’t actually SEE what he did or did not do, and have reject the American concept of “innocent until proven guilty.” Nice going, (*&*$^*! This man hasn’t even been CHARGED with a crime. Why? The Pentagon is INVESTIGATING, and may decide that NO CRIME WAS EVER COMMITTED. This seems more and more likely as days pass. Why? First, it occurs to anyone with a working mind that the Taliban captured this American Combat Soldier and…what? Congratulated him? Took him out to get a good meal and get laid? Put him in a damning video supporting Fundamental Islam and condemning the United States? No. They IMPRISONED HIM. And, according to the sergeant, they TORTURED him. That’s one hell of a way to treat a deserter, now isn’t it? So, Jackoff Williams.
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 16:09
Please try and keep it a little cleaner. I edited this time out of courtesy. Deleting is far easier and is what will probably happen next time if you get carried away.
Bill Edelman June 8th, 2014 at 17:15
Thanks. This right-wing nonsense is infuriating. I’d just like to scream at these fools in person. But then I’d probably wind up facing homicide charges…
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 17:27
Believe me, I understand, if you saw some of the stuff that gets deleted …
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 19:27
Right wing nonsense? You went off on the guy like he killed someone. All he asked is ‘how anyone can support a deserter’
Hardly any reason to go off. If you couldn’t answer the question, just say so.
Bill Edelman June 10th, 2014 at 14:48
The nonsense is that the right-wing morons have labeled a US Army sergeant a deserter when he hasn’t been convicted, tried, or even CHARGED with ANYTHING by anybody but a bunch of chicken-hawks who weren’t there and are playing the Damn Obama for Everything game. THAT nonsense. There’s the answer to ALL the questions. It’s the OBVIOUS answer. And, by the way, charging this man with desertion with NO EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT COURT MARTIAL is a callous, politically motivated, arrogant attempt to ruin a man. That MIGHT AS WELL be trying to kill a soldier who, for all we ACTUALLY KNOW, would suffer a fate worse than death by this ruination. After all HE WENT OVER THERE, and it’s an ALL-VOLUNTEER ARMY. Ant this page does NOT support deserters, but it does allow stupid people to post. Send the administrator a sincere letter of thanks for that.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:10
Charges of desertion were made by those he served along side him and who were endangered after he left his guard post. Calling him a POW when he walked away from his troop with no weapon or body protection raises some doubt.
The whole issue is about swapping 5 terrorists for his release. Leaders on both sides of the aisle are upset with that decision as it will embolden the Taliban and may result in more kidnappings of Americans, civilian and military.
The president may have exceeded his authority by acting on his own and negotiating with terrorists. As for the question, “is the Taliban organization a terrorist group?” The State Department answered that one back in January with the following release.
Press release, “U.S. Department of State, Jan. 7: The Department of State has designated Qari Saifullah as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist under Executive Order (E.O.) 13224, which targets terrorists and those providing support to terrorists or acts of terrorism. Qari Saifullah is the Taliban shadow deputy governor and an operational commander in Zabul Province, Afghanistan. As an operational commander, Qari Saifullah has used Taliban fighters to organize terrorist activities against the Government of Afghanistan and Coalition Forces in eastern Zabul Province.”
The left use the argument that Bush released 520 prisoners from Gitmo. The releases were done under international pressure, as well as pressure from democrats. It involved the release of low level “grunt” soldiers, and people supposedly picked up though they were not actually combatants. Many people warned the administration about the dangers of the release, which later events proved to be valid concerns as there was a 28% recidivism rate.
Those involved in the latest swap were high level operatives and were chosen by the Taliban during the negotiations. If we knew the dangers based on past experience, why would Obama repeat it? Besides, Obama was under no pressure to release prisoners; especially the more dangerous ones.
Yes, it is good to get one of our own released, but prisoner swaps sets a new precedent.
Bill Edelman June 10th, 2014 at 16:15
Nonsense again.
From Salon:
America is exchanging prisoners with the enemy! It’s an outrage! That’s been a constant refrain of GOP critics since President Obama traded five Guantánamo Bay captives for U.S. soldier Bowe Bergdahl, who was released by the Taliban on May 31. But the most basic history lesson reveals that there’s really nothing new — or outrageous — about wartime prisoner exchange, as Bergdahl’s own Republican congressman has acknowledged.
“If you look historically, at the end of any conflict, you have a swap of prisoners,” Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, told a local radio station last week. “So I would suggest that anybody who’s being hyper-critical about this, they should look at the history. This has happened before.”
Here’s the headline of that article:
“GOP flunks Bergdahl lesson: How it revealed total ignorance about prisoner swaps
The right is up in arms over exchanging prisoners with the enemy. They clearly know nothing about American history”
Here is the source: http://www.salon.com/2014/06/10/gop_flunks_bergdahl_lesson_how_it_revealed_total_ignorance_about_prisoner_swaps/
Why don’t you take your head out of your colon and get a breath of fresh air?
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 17:02
First of all. Prisoner swaps are made with warring countries. A rag tag bunch of terrorists wearing sheets on their heads don’t qualify. They don’t have a standing in the world because they are not honorable, due to lack of central control.
The war with the Taliban will continue for the rest of time, so why give them back some who can aid their cause. I’m not a betting man, but I was right when I predicted those released by Bush would again enter the battle and 28% of them did. My younger brother called me some rather harsh words for denying these war prisoners their rights. I said they didn’t have any rights since they were not covered under the Geneva Convention and not part of the US, so they were covered under our laws.
Bill Edelman June 10th, 2014 at 18:06
And I need to listen to you, because…
mea_mark June 10th, 2014 at 18:12
You don’t need to listen to him at all. In my opinion he is a waste of time and best ignored. Probably a lot better for our blood pressure if we ignored him.
Bill Edelman June 10th, 2014 at 20:21
Much obliged for the perspective check!
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 23:37
Liberals best defense is to silence anyone who may have a different opinion or one who may actually have facts disproving posted lies and distortions.
I thought Alan wanted to have a site where issues are debated, but apparently his moderator would prefer to have a site that is just for a bunch of like minded people btching and complaining about anyone or anything that is other than a secular progressive view point.
William June 10th, 2014 at 23:50
Poor Butt hurt Bob
arc99 June 11th, 2014 at 00:22
I am sick and tired of you right wingers whining about your poor little feelings getting hurt. This site is infinitely more tolerant of opposing viewpoints than any right wing site is of leftist views.
So take your BS about liberals best defense and put it where the sun don’t shine. I am fed up with your whiney hypocrisy about liberals when the fact is that right wing forums have formal policies prohibiting support of liberal viewpoints.
head on over to redstate.com. post a thread criticizing their site for being just for a bunch of like minded people btching and complaining about anyone or anything that is other than a right wing conservatve view point.
see how long it takes for your account to be cancelled. you will likely not need a calendar. a stopwatch will work fine.
until you demand that right wing sites adhere to some form of objectivity, it is the height of hypocrisy for you to come to this forum and whine.
so go post in redstate. criticize the partiicpants in the same terms you criticize us and provide us all with the link. I will be the first to applaud your objectivity.
mea_mark June 11th, 2014 at 08:35
Then why are we allowing you to continue to post comments? The very fact that you are posting indicates you don’t know what you are talking about. Thus I think you are a waste of time. That of course is just my opinion. It is also possible that you might at some point say something of real relevance.
OldLefty June 10th, 2014 at 16:35
Charges of desertion were made by those he served along side him and who were endangered after he left his guard post. Calling him a POW when he walked away
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And yet we let due process and the Uniform Code of Military Justice decide, and not the guys in his unit or the Taliban or Fox News.
Those guys had to be given back in the end anyway.
When wars end, prisoners taken custody are released. These five Guantanamo detainees were almost all members of the Taliban.
None were facing charges in either military or civilian courts for their actions.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:49
You’re in the minority on this one. The majority of American’s polled and the military leadership said they were unhappy with the prisoner swap. Our war with the Taliban has not ended and probably never will since their whole mission in life is to kill all the infidels they can. Hardly leaves any room for peace talks.
OldLefty June 10th, 2014 at 16:58
You’re in the minority on this one. The majority of American’s polled and the military leadership said they were unhappy with the prisoner swap.
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Minority or not, I’m on the side of our principles.
Majority??
But by January 2003, 45% of Americans reported that either “most” or “some” of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.htmlThe
answer is zero.
Polling data show that right after Sept. 11, 2001, when Americans were asked open-ended questions about who was behind the attacks, only 3 percent mentioned Iraq or Hussein.
The majority changed their mind yet again in years to come.
Meanwhile;
One of Bowe Bergdahl’s most important critics defends the decision to negotiate his release.
Nathan Bradley Bethea is a writer and former soldier who penned a scathing piece in The Daily
Beast arguing that Bergdahl voluntarily walked away from his post rather than, as the official story suggests, disappearing while on patrol. “The truth,” Bethea wrote, is that “Bergdahl was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.” Bethea says there was no patrol the night of Bergdahl’s disappearance and that both members of his platoon and internal documents say he simply walked away after being relieved from guard duty.
Yet Bethea fully supports Bergdahl’s release, and abhors the political controversy that’s
come to surround it. Here’s his reasoning, as laid out in a series of tweets:
Nathan Bradley @inthesedeserts
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things that I would like to clarify. I know that some people want to use my
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ddakgram June 8th, 2014 at 16:18
Regardless of the circumstances of his imprisonment, he is above all an American and an American soldier. “No man left behind” has no stipulations. Possibly the most he can be charged with is AWOL and his punishment would probably consist of time served as a POW. How the HEdoublehockeysticks can you call him a deserter when the military hasn’t said he is!?
William June 8th, 2014 at 22:03
How and the hell can this page support a deserter?????
In America we support the presumption of innocence until convicted. It’s one of our fundamental principles. Whats it like in your country?
Bob Waas June 8th, 2014 at 23:56
“In America we support the presumption of innocence until convicted. It’s one of our fundamental principles.” Yea, like you all did with George Zimmerman. Every liberal on this site convicted him before the facts were known. Even Obama, Sharpton, and Jackson convicted him.
Then after he was acquitted, they still said he was guilty; even though the evidence proved otherwise.
You should have said, we support the presumption of innocence for all liberals until convicted; and then after they are found guilty, we will blame the conservatives for being unfair. That would have been more believable.
William June 9th, 2014 at 00:10
Only a right wing chickenhawk idiot would try to weasel out of a point by comparing a returned POW’s alledged misconduct to a racist cop wanna-be murdering a kid.
Do try to stay on subject.
Dwendt44 June 9th, 2014 at 01:13
For one, Zimmerman admitted shooting Martin. The claim that he was attacked with a bag of skittles and an ice tea was a bit bazaar.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 09:17
I guess the evidence that it was self-defense and his acquittal by a jury of his peers doesn’t matter to you. You make Martin out to be a choir boy and he was anything but. He had a history of aggression and at the time he was much bigger than Zimmerman. He was also sent to live with his father because his mother could no longer handle him.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 09:19
It was on subject, you made a false statement and I showed evidence to prove you wrong.
As for your POW, according to many eye witnesses, he is a deserter.
William June 9th, 2014 at 10:22
According to the Constitution and the Uniform code of military justice, he is innocent until proven guilty. You would know that if you had ever read the Constitution or served your country.
Fox news, the drug soaked draft dodger and the bipolar drunk tell you he’s guilty, and you happily lap it up.
You’re not only a sad excuse for an American, but as a human being you have stopped thinking and reasoning for yourself.
…and you wonder why you and your ilk lose elections and hover at the single digit approval ratings.
It’s funny how you are all about due process until it involves a soldier.
Is it some sort of therapy for your own guilt and shame?
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 16:43
How come you all shouted me down when I said the same thing about George Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty?
As an Independent, I don’t have an ilk. I try to vote for the candidate who best represents the interest and laws of the country. Funny how you are rolling out the Constitution when you’ve been applauding a president who has ignored it for five years.
It’s not about Bergdahl, it is about releasing 5 dangerous terrorist. I was listening to Diane Feinstein criticize the decision; where does she fit in your description of those with whom you disagree? Is she the drug soaked draft dodger or the bipolar drunk?
I fly my flag and support our troops and pray for them daily. I can’t say the same for the DHS who listed returning veterans as terrorist risks. Bill O’Reilly and his listeners have donated more than 15 million dollars for Wounded Warrior Project to purchase new track chairs for the veterans. Sean Hannity also supports troops too. I don’t think you’ll find any on the other cable news stations doing as much.
William June 10th, 2014 at 00:56
Bill O’Reilly ? Sean Hannity ? All of a sudden so much about you is so very clear. Your perpetual ignorance is now validated.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/28/10_biggest_lies_spewed_by_sean_hannity/
Oreilly? Proof that Democrats fire their phone sex harassment perverts. The right simply embraces them. Happy Loofah day.
Flying your flag and praying might help relieve your guilt and shame, but it doesn’t actually build one single veterans hospital.
Yeah we know how that effort worked out don’t we?
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 15:40
You call Salon a reputable site? They use Media Matters as a resource. It only took one check to disprove one of their assertions. Obama did refer to the violence in Libya as a bump in the road. Here it is in his own words. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-calls-recent-middle-east-violence-bumps-road_652971.html
The VA problems have nothing to do with money. It is poorly managed and has even less oversight. It is a federal bureaucracy. The VA budget has almost doubled since 2005 and they ended 2013 with almost a half billion dollar surplus. The liberals solution to every problem is to throw money at it and when they don’t get their way they demonize those who oppose them.
“VA Expects To Have More Medical-Care Funding Than It Can Spend For The Fifth Year In A Row”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/27/va-expects-to-have-more-medical-care-funding-than-it-can-spend-for-the-fifth-year-in-a-row/#ixzz34GbokVa3
arc99 June 10th, 2014 at 15:54
you are truly amazing Bob. you repeatedly rail against liberals for immediately dismissing any source of information that is not liberal, then here you are claiming that neither Salon nor Media maters are reputable. as always, no one is more guilty of the behavior for which you criticize others, than you.
and your lack of any substantive proof that Media Matters or Salon were wrong on the facts is noted. if either was wrong on the facts, provide a direct link to their sites where they were wrong on the facts. . until then I will consider your accusations just another right wing falsehood
as usual, you right wingers make accusations, NEVER back them up with facts, and garnish the whole mess with a large scoop of hypocrisy.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:41
I provided evidence where the president said it in his own words; unless you think they dubbed the video.
Salon and Media Matters don’t even hide their bias. I’m sure there are some honest ones that we could both agree are reliable sources.
As for the VA budget evidence, how about this site. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/vet.html
And, if that one isn’t considered a reliable source, try CNN http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/opinion/nicholson-va-money/
Both of my responses supports my earlier post, so what part do you have an issue with?
arc99 June 10th, 2014 at 17:10
I asked for a direct link to Salon or Media Matters where they were wrong on the facts. You did not provide such a link.
I have an issue with you saying that they are not credible sources. When you make an accusation about anyone or anything, you do not rely on someone else’s words. When I accuse dailycaller of being a lying right wing rag, I provide a direct link to dailycaller.
So again, please provide a direct link to Media Matters or Salon where their reporting was wrong on the facts.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 17:55
I provided you with a link where Obama in an interview with CBS referred to the violence in Libya as a bump in the road. This was shortly after the attack in Benghazi.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-calls-recent-middle-east-violence-bumps-road_652971.html
In 1973, Holdren encouraged a decline in fertility to well below replacement in the United States, because “210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many.” In 1977, Paul R. Ehrlich, Anne H. Ehrlich, and Holdren co-authored the textbook Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment; they discussed the possible role of a wide variety of means to address overpopulation. Just as Hannity said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren
Holdren tried to back off this when he was being questioned, but it was written in his book.
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
arc99 June 10th, 2014 at 18:17
bottom line, you cannot provide a single example directly from their websites demonstrating that Salon and Media Matters were wrong on the facts and therefore may not be credible sources.
you cannot provide a very basic substantiation of your claim.
Salon and Media Matters are quite credible sources, when it comes to the facts. You may not like the opinions which surround those facts, but that is not the issue. An opinion that you disagree with does not mean the source is not credible when it comes to the relevant facts of an issue being debated.
Your inability to provide even a single example where they were wrong on the facts is indicative that your claim about the credibility of Salon and Media Matters is completely false.
mea_mark June 10th, 2014 at 17:32
Salon and Media Matters are acceptable sites to use for reference around here. If you don’t like it you are free to leave. Be careful about posting links to dailycaller and other right-wing sites that are questionable, they may just simply get deleted.
OldLefty June 10th, 2014 at 16:25
You call Daily caller and Weekly standard credible sources????
They just use each other or themselves as sources.
Do they break down the money?
Is it discretionary?
Do they know?
From; BudgetSubmission/Fy2014_Budget_Rollout.pdf
“• Medical Care request is $157.5 million above the enacted advance appropriations level for 2014
2015
• Request for Medical Care Advance Appropriations is $1.1 billion (1.9%) above the 2014 request in the 2014 Budget
From where in the budget do they get that??
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:52
Here is the proof I provided to Arc99 which is a source other than those I previously provided and ones that are difficult to refute.
As for the VA budget evidence, how about this site. http://www.whitehouse.gov/site…
And, if that one isn’t considered a reliable source, try CNN http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/…
OldLefty June 10th, 2014 at 17:06
Re; the whitehouse site; I searched for Va, and Veteran;
I got only;
West Wing Week 04/25/14 or, “POTUS Dreams of Sushi”
The White House
Apr 25, 12:36 PM
Welcome to the West Wing Week, your guide to everything that’s happening at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. This week, the White House celebrated Easter, and the President began a week-long trip to Asia, while the First Lady and Dr. Biden hosted a Career Forum on Veterans Jobs.
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CNN site yields, “page can not be found”.
But I gave you the actual budget.
The budgets for other years are here;
http://www.va.gov/budget/products.asp
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 18:06
I heard and read from several sources regarding the VA having a budget surplus. Try this one. http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/opinion/nicholson-va-money/
By David A. Fahrenthold, Published: September 28, 2013
“This past week, the Department of Veterans Affairs bought $562,000 worth of artwork.” This doesn’t sound like an organization suffering budget problems. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-congress-fights-over-the-budget-agencies-go-on-their-use-it-or-lose-it-shopping-sprees/2013/09/28/b8eef3cc-254c-11e3-b3e9-d97fb087acd6_story.html
OldLefty June 10th, 2014 at 18:32
Again, the CNN piece is an opinion piece that gives no actual numbers from the budget.
(Also, the author seems to have a chip on his shoulder about gays still not being treated equally), and the Fiunder of his organization, Paul Rieckhoff, supported Shinseki.
In the WaPo piece, they say; “The reason for their haste is a system set up by Congress that, in many cases, requires agencies to spend all their allotted funds by Sept. 30”
So what is wrong with the actual budget, and were does it say there is money allocated for medical care that is carried over?
mea_mark June 10th, 2014 at 18:48
Artwork can be valuable in the healing process as it helps set a conducive atmosphere for relaxing and healing. Excessive stress is detrimental, and artwork may provide a bigger bang for the buck in the healing process than most of the other things that money gets spent on.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 22:42
Artwork in lieu of spending money on health care? Then why blame the Republicans for lack of funds when they have a surplus?
Obewon June 10th, 2014 at 23:13
VA’s mere $500K in art (via FY-13 9/28/2013) is an inexpensive excellent investment in the healing process of today’s added 2 M+ new record number of Iraq War vets, including 1/3 with PTSD. USA’s longest war total cost is $4 trillion plus $2 Trillion in New VA costs totaling $6T. Time to payup TP. …Only $5 Trillion more just to pay off Halliburton Cheney’s faux oil war after GWB lost CBO’s continuing $5.6 T Surplus and left $11 T+ Debt via Dubya’s parting gift on 10/1/08 through 9/30/09-FY-09’s record deficits exploded to US record 4 month $1.3 T realized deficit on 1/20/09. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/02/steny-hoyer/steny-hoyer-says-george-w-bush-inherited-56-trilli/ “Obama came into office “with a $1.3 trillion deficit (on 1/20/09) before I had passed any law. … We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade.”-True on 1/20/09 as GOP-TP 8/2011 threatened to default on USA’s full faith & credit unless GWB’s taxcuts for billionaires were preserved. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/
William June 10th, 2014 at 21:35
Weekly standard?
Daily Caller?
Ha,Ha Ha. Ha
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 22:32
How about from John Boehner’s office? The internet is full of reports regarding the VA’s surplus for the year. You still think lack of money was the issue?
From 2000 to 2013, medical care spending at the VA rose 193 percent while the number of VA patients increased only 68 percent.
In April of this year, the House passed legislation increasing overall funding for the VA by $1.5 billion, including a $20 million increase over the president’s request to help resolve the VA backlog.
“The VA has spent a total of $489 million to upgrade conference rooms, buy draperies, and purchase new office furniture during the past four-and-a-half years.”
Continuing a trend of being unable to spend all of its budget, the “VA expects to carry over $450 million in medical-care funding from fiscal year 2014 to fiscal year 2015.”
– See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/general/key-facts-va-funding-prove-accountability-issue#sthash.TCGpXDe5.dpuf
William June 10th, 2014 at 21:40
You can deny and divert all that you want but the repugs blocked the building of VA hospitals that would have handled the extra business. No amount of diversions to the Zimmerman case can change that.
Repubs own that.
William June 10th, 2014 at 21:39
Sean Hannity also supports troops too. ..
BS.
Back seat General Hannidy had an opportunity to help the troops AND prove his assertion that waterboarding wasn’t torture. What did he do?
slink away like the yellow stain little b*tch that he is.
No surprise that you identify with this little weasel.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/01/31/1518741/sean-hannity-waterboard/
William June 10th, 2014 at 08:56
“It was on subject, you made a false statement and I showed evidence to prove you wrong”.
Opinion is not evidence. Please show your “evidence”. The tired old trick of comparing two completely unrelated events works on Fox fed armchair generals and gap toothed mullet heads, but not actual people who think for themselves.
I’ll wait right here for your “evidence”.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 12:01
The evidence was George Zimmerman. You all convicted him before the evidence was presented. According to you he was guilty until proven innocent; which is quite opposite of what you said the constitution says. I said, in your world it only applies to liberals and I was right and the teacher and his student story proves it. You deemed the teacher guilty of a racist remark, but didn’t give him an opportunity to explain what happen; instead you were all calling for blood. It is hypocritical.
William June 10th, 2014 at 13:26
Do you always lie when you get butthurt?. Zimmerman admitted to shooting that kid. Further.
I used the word “alleged” in my opinion of the article concerning the teachers alleged remark. (Read it again)
Now about that evidence…still waiting.
” instead you were all calling for blood”
That’s right it’s one big conspiracy. On the second Tuesday of the month “we all” get together and call for blood.
When one considers your source of information, it’s no wonder you continue to look the fool.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 15:09
Zimmerman did admit he shot him. He is the one who called 911. Folks are this site then went on to call him a racist; without facts, and a murderer; which he wasn’t. Even after he was acquitted and in some recent posts some are saying he is guilty of murder; when the evidence (his bruises) and eye witnesses proved otherwise.
All the self-righteous who were denying Zimmerman his due process and calling him a racist, found nothing racist with Trayvon referring to George as a ‘Creepy-Ass Cracker’.
Donna Carol June 10th, 2014 at 18:59
If I were a young black guy & had someone stalking me I would call him.a “creepy-ass Cracker” too. Come on it has been proven that Zimmerman is a racist. If Zimmermann had done as he was told by the 911 operator, Trayvon would still be alive today. It has been proven that Zimmerman is a pathological liar.
Donna Carol June 10th, 2014 at 18:46
George Zimmerman is, was, & will always be guilty of killing Trayvon Martin, same holds true for OJ Simpson is guilty of killing Nicole Brown Simpson & Ron Goldman & Casey Anthony is guilty of killing her little girl Kaylee. Just because they weren’t found guilty doesn’t mean they aren’t guilty. Yes, I am a liberal & proud of it. I believe in justice ( no justice prevailed in either of these 3 cases). Bowe Bergdahl saga will play out in court & then we will see if he is guilty as charged.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 23:42
So, you get to decide who is guilty or innocent. Did you tell the justice department, they could close all the courts and just email you for your opinion.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 01:22
How and the hell can you prove anyone deserted anything?????
Byte187 June 8th, 2014 at 14:10
Bob Bergdhal is a republican. And? Is there a point to this article?
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 20:38
To illustrate yet another instance where the more rabid elements of right wing factions do not hesitate to turn on their own and subject them to well-worn cannibalistic rituals at the drop of a hat for the sake throwing yet another one of their raging fits, then trying (and failing) to make some political hay out of it all. This time they’re so blinded by hatred, they’ve shed any shred of decency by targeting a tortured, captive soldier and taking aim at his family and hometown supporters, forcing cancellation of welcome home celebrations, issuing death threats (both direct and indirect), abandoning any semblance of respect for the most basic First, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment principles of the right to free speech, dissent, presumed innocence, and due process….not to mention the time-honored tradition of no American soldier left behind. Then there’s the hypocrisy we are all bound to encounter in just a few short months once the campaign gets into full swing of seeing these same “patriots” wrap themselves in the Old Glory and screech long and hard about Constitutional rule of law.
At least, that’s my takeaway.
CM June 9th, 2014 at 02:26
That sums it up nicely.
Byte187 June 8th, 2014 at 14:10
Bob Bergdhal is a republican. And? Is there a point to this article?
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 20:38
To illustrate yet another instance where the more rabid elements of right wing factions do not hesitate to turn on their own and subject them to well-worn cannibalistic rituals at the drop of a hat for the sake throwing yet another one of their raging fits, then trying (and failing) to make some political hay out of it all. This time they’re so blinded by hatred, they’ve shed any shred of decency by targeting a tortured, captive soldier and taking aim at his family and hometown supporters, forcing cancellation of welcome home celebrations, issuing death threats (both direct and indirect), abandoning any semblance of respect for the most basic First, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment principles of the right to free speech, dissent, presumed innocence, and due process….not to mention the time-honored tradition of no American soldier left behind. Then there’s the hypocrisy we are all bound to encounter in just a few short months once the campaign gets into full swing of seeing these same “patriots” wrap themselves in the Old Glory and screech long and hard about Constitutional rule of law.
At least, that’s my takeaway.
CM June 9th, 2014 at 02:26
That sums it up nicely.
chris June 8th, 2014 at 14:31
Almost every democrat in the country voted for Reagan. It was a landslide. The REAL question is who did he support in 08/12?
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 16:04
His participation in the 2010 Idaho GOP fundraiser might provide your first clue, where various speakers took turns dragging President Obama’s name through the mud.
Wayne June 8th, 2014 at 20:39
Not true Chris. Reagan got less than 51% of the vote in 1980, in one of the lowest voter turnout elections in US history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
Jeanne June 11th, 2014 at 02:43
Reagan got 50.8% of the popular vote in 1980. He did better against Mondale in 84 with 58.8%. Neither of those is exactly a landslide. During the debates with Carter he appeared disoriented and unfocused. I commented to my husband that I thought he appeared to be suffering from dementia (I’d never heard of Alzheimer’s at that time). Plus, he blew with the wind; his position changed depending on his audience. I can proudly say I never voted for him.
chris June 8th, 2014 at 14:31
Almost every democrat in the country voted for Reagan. It was a landslide. The REAL question is who did he support in 08/12?
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 16:04
His participation in the 2010 Idaho GOP fundraiser might provide your first clue, where various speakers took turns dragging President Obama’s name through the mud.
Wayne June 8th, 2014 at 20:39
Not true Chris. Reagan got less than 51% of the vote in 1980, in one of the lowest voter turnout elections in US history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
Jeanne June 11th, 2014 at 02:43
Reagan got 50.8% of the popular vote in 1980. He did better against Mondale in 84 with 58.8%. Neither of those is exactly a landslide. During the debates with Carter he appeared disoriented and unfocused. I commented to my husband that I thought he appeared to be suffering from dementia (I’d never heard of Alzheimer’s at that time). Plus, he blew with the wind; his position changed depending on his audience. I can proudly say I never voted for him.
Mary Davis June 8th, 2014 at 15:22
Bob Bergdhal is Republican & Obama is Christian…not by their mouths but by their fruit they are known…check out the website Bob promotes.
Chris@forewit Jun 1
Father of US soldier freed from Taliban tweets this just days ago: pic.twitter.com/Wc7m9vKddt
Reply
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 16:15
Turning a blind eye to everything the man ever did before his son’s capture, are we? Like his conservative indoctrination by his dad, a Goldwater Tory whose most liberal act was supporting Richard Nixon? The pride Bob Bergdahl took in swimming upstream against fellow CA surf community liberals in his support of Ronald Reagan? Lending his support in 2010 to Idaho GOP fundraisers? Sigh. Another left-of-fringe RINO thrown under the bus bites the dust. Typical.
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 17:32
Some people see only what they want to see. It is very disappointing when they try and force their self-limited views on other people with cherry picked quotes. That is today’s GOP though.
Mary Davis June 8th, 2014 at 15:22
Bob Bergdhal is Republican & Obama is Christian…not by their mouths but by their fruit they are known…check out the website Bob promotes.
Chris@forewit Jun 1
Father of US soldier freed from Taliban tweets this just days ago: pic.twitter.com/Wc7m9vKddt
Reply
Minnie Fellini June 8th, 2014 at 16:15
Turning a blind eye to everything the man ever did before his son’s capture, are we? Like his conservative indoctrination by his dad, a Goldwater Tory whose most liberal act was supporting Richard Nixon? The pride Bob Bergdahl took in swimming upstream against fellow CA surf community liberals in his support of Ronald Reagan? Lending his support in 2010 to Idaho GOP fundraisers? Sigh. Another left-of-fringe RINO thrown under the bus bites the dust. Typical.
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 17:32
Some people see only what they want to see. It is very disappointing when they try and force their self-limited views on other people with cherry picked quotes. That is today’s GOP though.
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 16:09
Please try try and keep it a little cleaner. I edited this time out of courtesy. Deleting is far easier and is what will probably happen next time if you get carried away.
BBK713 June 8th, 2014 at 17:15
Thanks. This right-wing nonsense is infuriating. I’d just like to scream at these fools in person. But then I’d probably wind up facing homicide charges…
mea_mark June 8th, 2014 at 17:27
Believe me, I understand, if you saw some of the stuff that gets deleted …
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 19:27
Right wing nonsense? You went off on the guy like he killed someone. All he asked is ‘how anyone can support a deserter’
Hardly any reason to go off. If you couldn’t answer the question, just say so.
BBK713 June 10th, 2014 at 14:48
The nonsense is that the right-wing morons have labeled a US Army sergeant a deserter when he hasn’t been convicted, tried, or even CHARGED with ANYTHING by anybody but a bunch of chicken-hawks who weren’t there and are playing the Damn Obama for Everything game. THAT nonsense. There’s the answer to ALL the questions. It’s the OBVIOUS answer. And, by the way, charging this man with desertion with NO EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT COURT MARTIAL is a callous, politically motivated, arrogant attempt to ruin a man. That MIGHT AS WELL be trying to kill a soldier who, for all we ACTUALLY KNOW, would suffer a fate worse than death by this ruination. After all HE WENT OVER THERE, and it’s an ALL-VOLUNTEER ARMY. Ant this page does NOT support deserters, but it does allow stupid people to post. Send the administrator a sincere letter of thanks for that.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:10
Charges of desertion were made by those he served along side him and who were endangered after he left his guard post. Calling him a POW when he walked away from his troop with no weapon or body protection raises some doubt.
The whole issue is about swapping 5 terrorists for his release. Leaders on both sides of the aisle are upset with that decision as it will embolden the Taliban and may result in more kidnappings of Americans, civilian and military.
The president may have exceeded his authority by acting on his own and negotiating with terrorists. As for the question, “is the Taliban organization a terrorist group?” The State Department answered that one back in January with the following release.
Press release, “U.S. Department of State, Jan. 7: The Department of State has designated Qari Saifullah as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist under Executive Order (E.O.) 13224, which targets terrorists and those providing support to terrorists or acts of terrorism. Qari Saifullah is the Taliban shadow deputy governor and an operational commander in Zabul Province, Afghanistan. As an operational commander, Qari Saifullah has used Taliban fighters to organize terrorist activities against the Government of Afghanistan and Coalition Forces in eastern Zabul Province.”
The left use the argument that Bush released 520 prisoners from Gitmo. The releases were done under international pressure, as well as pressure from democrats. It involved the release of low level “grunt” soldiers, and people supposedly picked up though they were not actually combatants. Many people warned the administration about the dangers of the release, which later events proved to be valid concerns as there was a 28% recidivism rate.
Those involved in the latest swap were high level operatives and were chosen by the Taliban during the negotiations. If we knew the dangers based on past experience, why would Obama repeat it? Besides, Obama was under no pressure to release prisoners; especially the more dangerous ones.
Yes, it is good to get one of our own released, but prisoner swaps sets a new precedent.
BBK713 June 10th, 2014 at 16:15
Nonsense again.
From Salon:
America is exchanging prisoners with the enemy! It’s an outrage! That’s been a constant refrain of GOP critics since President Obama traded five Guantánamo Bay captives for U.S. soldier Bowe Bergdahl, who was released by the Taliban on May 31. But the most basic history lesson reveals that there’s really nothing new — or outrageous — about wartime prisoner exchange, as Bergdahl’s own Republican congressman has acknowledged.
“If you look historically, at the end of any conflict, you have a swap of prisoners,” Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, told a local radio station last week. “So I would suggest that anybody who’s being hyper-critical about this, they should look at the history. This has happened before.”
Here’s the headline of that article:
“GOP flunks Bergdahl lesson: How it revealed total ignorance about prisoner swaps
The right is up in arms over exchanging prisoners with the enemy. They clearly know nothing about American history”
Here is the source: http://www.salon.com/2014/06/10/gop_flunks_bergdahl_lesson_how_it_revealed_total_ignorance_about_prisoner_swaps/
Why don’t you take your head out of your colon and get a breath of fresh air?
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 17:02
First of all. Prisoner swaps are made with warring countries. A rag tag bunch of terrorists wearing sheets on their heads don’t qualify. They don’t have a standing in the world because they are not honorable, due to lack of central control.
The war with the Taliban will continue for the rest of time, so why give them back some who can aid their cause. I’m not a betting man, but I was right when I predicted those released by Bush would again enter the battle and 28% of them did. My younger brother called me some rather harsh words for denying these war prisoners their rights. I said they didn’t have any rights since they were not covered under the Geneva Convention and not part of the US, so they were covered under our laws.
BBK713 June 10th, 2014 at 18:06
And I need to listen to your idiocy because…
mea_mark June 10th, 2014 at 18:12
You don’t need to listen to him at all. In my opinion he is a waste of time and best ignored. Probably a lot better for our blood pressure if we ignored him.
BBK713 June 10th, 2014 at 20:21
Much obliged for the perspective check!
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 23:37
Liberals best defense is to silence anyone who may have a different opinion or one who may actually have facts disproving posted lies and distortions.
I thought Alan wanted to have a site where issues are debated, but apparently his moderator would prefer to have a site that is just for a bunch of like minded people btching and complaining about anyone or anything that is other than a secular progressive view point.
William June 10th, 2014 at 23:50
Poor Butt hurt Bob
arc99 June 11th, 2014 at 00:22
I am sick and tired of you right wingers whining about your poor little feelings getting hurt. This site is infinitely more tolerant of opposing viewpoints than any right wing site is of leftist views.
So take your BS about liberals best defense and put it where the sun don’t shine. I am fed up with your whiney hypocrisy about liberals when the fact is that right wing forums have formal policies prohibiting support of liberal viewpoints.
head on over to redstate.com. post a thread criticizing their site for being just for a bunch of like minded people btching and complaining about anyone or anything that is other than a right wing conservatve view point.
see how long it takes for your account to be cancelled. you will likely not need a calendar. a stopwatch will work fine.
until you demand that right wing sites adhere to some form of objectivity, it is the height of hypocrisy for you to come to this forum and whine.
so go post in redstate. criticize the partiicpants in the same terms you criticize us and provide us all with the link. I will be the first to applaud your objectivity.
mea_mark June 11th, 2014 at 08:35
Then why are we allowing you to continue to post comments? The very fact that you are posting indicates you don’t know what you are talking about. Thus I think you are a waste of time. That of course is just my opinion. It is also possible that you might at some point say something of real relevance.
TiredOfThemAll June 10th, 2014 at 16:35
Charges of desertion were made by those he served along side him and who were endangered after he left his guard post. Calling him a POW when he walked away
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And yet we let due process and the Uniform Code of Military Justice decide, and not the guys in his unit or the Taliban or Fox News.
Those guys had to be given back in the end anyway.
When wars end, prisoners taken custody are released. These five Guantanamo detainees were almost all members of the Taliban.
None were facing charges in either military or civilian courts for their actions.
Bob Waas June 10th, 2014 at 16:49
You’re in the minority on this one. The majority of American’s polled and the military leadership said they were unhappy with the prisoner swap. Our war with the Taliban has not ended and probably never will since their whole mission in life is to kill all the infidels they can. Hardly leaves any room for peace talks.
TiredOfThemAll June 10th, 2014 at 16:58
You’re in the minority on this one. The majority of American’s polled and the military leadership said they were unhappy with the prisoner swap.
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Minority or not, I’m on the side of our principles.
Majority??
But by January 2003, 45% of Americans reported that either “most” or “some” of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.htmlThe
answer is zero.
Polling data show that right after Sept. 11, 2001, when Americans were asked open-ended questions about who was behind the attacks, only 3 percent mentioned Iraq or Hussein.
The majority changed their mind yet again in years to come.
Meanwhile;
One of Bowe Bergdahl’s most important critics defends the decision to negotiate his release.
Nathan Bradley Bethea is a writer and former soldier who penned a scathing piece in The Daily
Beast arguing that Bergdahl voluntarily walked away from his post rather than, as the official story suggests, disappearing while on patrol. “The truth,” Bethea wrote, is that “Bergdahl was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.” Bethea says there was no patrol the night of Bergdahl’s disappearance and that both members of his platoon and internal documents say he simply walked away after being relieved from guard duty.
Yet Bethea fully supports Bergdahl’s release, and abhors the political controversy that’s
come to surround it. Here’s his reasoning, as laid out in a series of tweets:
Nathan Bradley @inthesedeserts
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things that I would like to clarify. I know that some people want to use my
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Rhondayes June 8th, 2014 at 22:46
The sweetest thing about all of this that I’ve been savoring is, when I first saw Bowe’s dad and his beard I screamed with laughter. He looked closer to a Muslim than an American. I knew at that moment the republicans were recoiling in horror as they looked on believing they helped to save a Muslim. LMAO. I knew they were going to ditch his ass, because they have no sense of loyalty. They eat their own.
Bob Waas June 8th, 2014 at 23:41
The Republicans didn’t help save him, this one is all on Obama.
Mike June 9th, 2014 at 00:25
he is a republican and of corse the republicans did not save him, republicans are powerless do do anything
arc99 June 9th, 2014 at 14:42
then the bottom line is that the President actually believes in the concept of leaving no man behind.
For Republicans it is just a cheap bumper sticker with no conviction or integrity.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 15:56
It was never a question about rescuing him. The issue is negotiating with terrorists and the releasing 5 high value Al Qaida operators back into the battle.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 20:07
the issue is you keep referring to Taliban as a Terrorist organization .. The U.S does not classify the Taliban as terrorists.
released Al Quadea ? No they released Taliban one was a low level cop and another was in the Government
Taliban is not al queda and al queda is not the taliban
I know they are all brown its hard for you to discern
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:59
You are in the minority thinking that the Taliban aren’t terrorist, designated or not.
As for their relations with Al Qaida, history shows they were very cozy.
“In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safe haven for al-Qa‘ida. This gave al-Qa‘ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa‘ida.”
“The Afghan Taliban’s leader is Mullah Mohammad Omar, who was the president of Afghanistan during the Taliban’s rule. The US Government is offering a $10 million reward for information leading to his capture.”
BTW, 68% of Americans polled disagree with the decision to release 5 terrorists. Only 16% thought it was a good decision.
Paul V Sutera June 10th, 2014 at 05:16
Well ok so we keep Guantanamo open forever. Most of these people in this Cuba-based jail are nobodies at this point.
Gigi Jacobs June 11th, 2014 at 06:07
yeah, it’s kind of like negotiating with Republicans-they want it all or there’s no deal. At least they settle on 5
Calvinius June 16th, 2014 at 05:03
None of the prisoners released were “Al Qaida”.
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 07:34
Thanks for clearing that up, the world is much safer now.
Rubrbear June 9th, 2014 at 01:50
he doesn’t look Muslim – he looks Duck Dynasty
justsaynotostupid June 9th, 2014 at 14:50
Kind of looks like one of those Duck Dynasty guys. Or, are they Muslims as well? Oh wait, they slurp at the teat of the NRA, they’re ok. My bad.
William June 9th, 2014 at 15:09
Oh…TOTALLY Moos-lims. There’s a whole bunch of ’em down in Pennsy-vane-ya as well.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:08
Are they speaking Pushto?
Obewon June 9th, 2014 at 23:40
Nobody on Earth is “speaking Pushto?” Is that Wing Nut Daily teabonics code for your birther dialect?
Paul V Sutera June 10th, 2014 at 05:10
Teabonics…. oh god thank you for that one!
Rhondayes June 8th, 2014 at 22:46
The sweetest thing about all of this that I’ve been savoring is, when I first saw Bowe’s dad and his beard I screamed with laughter. He looked closer to a Muslim than an American. I knew at that moment the republicans were recoiling in horror as they looked on believing they helped to save a Muslim. LMAO. I knew they were going to ditch his ass, because they have no sense of loyalty. They eat their own.
Bob Waas June 8th, 2014 at 23:41
The Republicans didn’t help save him, this one is all on Obama.
arc99 June 9th, 2014 at 14:42
then the bottom line is that the President actually believes in the concept of leaving no man behind.
For Republicans it is just a cheap bumper sticker with no conviction or integrity.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 15:56
It was never a question about rescuing him. The issue is negotiating with terrorists and the releasing 5 high value Al Qaida operators back into the battle.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 20:07
the issue is you keep referring to Taliban as a Terrorist organization .. The U.S does not classify the Taliban as terrorists.
released Al Quadea ? No they released Taliban one was a low level cop and another was in the Government
Taliban is not al queda and al queda is not the taliban
I know they are all brown its hard for you to discern
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:59
You are in the minority thinking that the Taliban aren’t terrorist, designated or not.
As for their relations with Al Qaida, history shows they were very cozy.
“In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safe haven for al-Qa‘ida. This gave al-Qa‘ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa‘ida.”
“The Afghan Taliban’s leader is Mullah Mohammad Omar, who was the president of Afghanistan during the Taliban’s rule. The US Government is offering a $10 million reward for information leading to his capture.”
BTW, 68% of Americans polled disagree with the decision to release 5 terrorists. Only 16% thought it was a good decision.
Paul V Sutera June 10th, 2014 at 05:16
Well ok so we keep Guantanamo open forever. Most of these people in this Cuba-based jail are nobodies at this point.
Gigi Jacobs June 11th, 2014 at 06:07
yeah, it’s kind of like negotiating with Republicans-they want it all or there’s no deal. At least they settle on 5
Calvinius June 16th, 2014 at 05:03
None of the prisoners released were “Al Qaida”.
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 07:34
Thanks for clearing that up, the world is much safer now.
Rubrbear June 9th, 2014 at 01:50
he doesn’t look Muslim – he looks Duck Dynasty
eaglesfanintn June 9th, 2014 at 14:50
Kind of looks like one of those Duck Dynasty guys. Or, are they Muslims as well? Oh wait, they slurp at the teat of the NRA, they’re ok. My bad.
William June 9th, 2014 at 15:09
Oh…TOTALLY Moos-lims. There’s a whole bunch of ’em down in Pennsy-vane-ya as well.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 22:08
Are they speaking Pushto?
Obewon June 9th, 2014 at 23:40
Nobody on Earth is “speaking Pushto?” Is that Wing Nut Daily teabonics code for your birther dialect?
Paul V Sutera June 10th, 2014 at 05:10
Teabonics…. oh god thank you for that one!
Bob Waas June 8th, 2014 at 23:49
When it was revealed that George Zimmerman was Hispanic and a registered Democrat, those on this site who are now cheering Berghahl as a Republican, refused to acknowledge Zimmerman as one of their own. Which proves, how you register to vote doesn’t “always” dictate your behavior or values.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 01:13
George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Republican in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.
Why would anyone cheer hes a Republican.? What difference does it make?
Gigi Jacobs June 9th, 2014 at 13:57
I know this science has been out and proven over and over since 2009, yet no one wants to accept it. Well, it’s not something that one can say yes, or no, for it’s based on brain scans of both Republicans and Democrats. There is a great overview of the new neuroscience in the book called “The Republican Brain” by Chris mooney. I happen to know it’s true, for I’ve been doing my own testing for the last decade and when we put a Republican’s brain under fMRIs we see an entirely different structure from those of Democrats. See, we don’t go and choose a party based on our ideals, but rather it’s that if one has the “primitive brain” (republicans) then they don’t have an area developed for processing logic. And in addition it has an enlarge amygdala-this was necessary in primitive times and made us very aggressive. The Democrats on the other hand have well developed anterior cingulate cortex and they also have a normal sized amygdala. what does this mean? It means Republicans lack feeling for others and that’s why they vote down so many social programs and or for any of the less fortunate. For them, it’s still in a primitive state, where it’s each unto its own. While Democrats are much more likely to be reasonable and negotiate and COMPROMISE, but it also has cons in that the Democrats don’t have much fight in them and you can see this in one area where they even have a hard time making it to the polls to vote.
Long story short, each person ends up in the party that is more in line with their characteristics and so that’s why we have such partisan activities in politics.
Nikki Moonitz-Volaski June 9th, 2014 at 14:58
LOL what a crock!!
Obewon June 9th, 2014 at 16:31
Many peer reviewed studies confirm that conservatives are more afraid because of their larger ‘Fear Center amygdala’s’ and their tinier ‘hope & optimism anterior cingulate cortex.’
-Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals.
Note: ‘The amygdala is deep inside the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.’ The results are not that surprising as they fit in with conclusions from other 2010 studies by researchers from Harvard and UCLA San Diego. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds Boo!
Gigi Jacobs June 11th, 2014 at 06:04
yes, these are just a few of the studies being done. It’s not theory anymore but now considered hard science.
Gigi Jacobs June 11th, 2014 at 06:02
Yeah, you are a total crock of shit…..lol…I agree! Good observation!
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 21:36
“While Democrats are much more likely to be reasonable and negotiate and COMPROMISE” ROTFL
Where have you been lately? Does Harry Reid sound like someone who negotiates? When was the last time you saw Obama be reasonable and negotiate. That science ended after Bill Clinton; he knew the art of compromise and negotiating.
Gigi Jacobs June 12th, 2014 at 10:17
That science is just starting to hit the scientific community as a consensus and the new studies are coming out so prolifically that it’s hard to even keep up. But you don’t use science or math since you’re missing that section in the brain to begin with. No need for you to read things you can’t comprehend.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 16:51
Wrong again.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 20:01
oh THAT must be proof .. u have Obamas fake birth certificate too?
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 21:32
You provide no proof, but question mine. I believe you can find a photo shop copy of Obama’s birth certificate if you search the web.
Obewon June 9th, 2014 at 23:32
Wass is still Bob the birther after loosing twice LMAO! 53%-47%-Mc’Palin via 2:1 365-173. And 51%-47% 3:2 332-206-Mitt’nRyan. You’l most likely be wormfood long before any GOP ever dents the White House again. Canadian Ted Cruz / Birther Ben Carson until 2016~
Shades June 10th, 2014 at 15:38
It’s not like Waas has any credibility. What can you say about a guy who goes through sock puppets like, well, socks.
Jeanne June 11th, 2014 at 02:29
I’m a liberal Democrat and I believe you. There’s a tradition in southern states of registering as a Democrat while actually behaving like a Republican. It’s a carry over from the days when the parties were switched.That doesn’t change the fact that he murdered a teenager in cold blood.
Bob Waas June 11th, 2014 at 22:31
I guess you would rather be defending Trayvon for beating George to death; which he was doing just before he was shot.
Bob Waas June 8th, 2014 at 23:49
When it was revealed that George Zimmerman was Hispanic and a registered Democrat, those on this site who are now cheering Berghahl as a Republican, refused to acknowledge Zimmerman as one of their own. Which proves, how you register to vote doesn’t “always” dictate your behavior or values.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 01:13
George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Republican in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.
Why would anyone cheer hes a Republican.? What difference does it make?
Gigi Jacobs June 9th, 2014 at 13:57
I know this science has been out and proven over and over since 2009, yet no one wants to accept it. Well, it’s not something that one can say yes, or no, for it’s based on brain scans of both Republicans and Democrats. There is a great overview of the new neuroscience in the book called “The Republican Brain” by Chris mooney. I happen to know it’s true, for I’ve been doing my own testing for the last decade and when we put a Republican’s brain under fMRIs we see an entirely different structure from those of Democrats. See, we don’t go and choose a party based on our ideals, but rather it’s that if one has the “primitive brain” (republicans) then they don’t have an area developed for processing logic. And in addition it has an enlarge amygdala-this was necessary in primitive times and made us very aggressive. The Democrats on the other hand have well developed anterior cingulate cortex and they also have a normal sized amygdala. what does this mean? It means Republicans lack feeling for others and that’s why they vote down so many social programs and or for any of the less fortunate. For them, it’s still in a primitive state, where it’s each unto its own. While Democrats are much more likely to be reasonable and negotiate and COMPROMISE, but it also has cons in that the Democrats don’t have much fight in them and you can see this in one area where they even have a hard time making it to the polls to vote.
Long story short, each person ends up in the party that is more in line with their characteristics and so that’s why we have such partisan activities in politics.
Nikki Moonitz-Volaski June 9th, 2014 at 14:58
LOL what a crock!!
Obewon June 9th, 2014 at 16:31
Many peer reviewed studies confirm that conservatives are more afraid because of their larger ‘Fear Center amygdala’s’ and their tinier ‘hope & optimism anterior cingulate cortex.’
-Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals.
Note: ‘The amygdala is a gland deep inside the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.’ The results are not that surprising as they fit in with conclusions from other 2010 studies by researchers from Harvard and UCLA San Diego. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds Boo!
Globally repeated peer-reviewed Intelligence Studies Links (Cons average -11.6 Low I.Q. Deficits) To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism. “Data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health support the hypothesis. Young adults who subjectively identify themselves as “very liberal” have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as “very conservative” have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence.”-March 2010 issue of the peer-reviewed scientific journal Social Psychology Quarterly! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm
Gigi Jacobs June 11th, 2014 at 06:04
yes, these are just a few of the studies being done. It’s not theory anymore but now considered hard science.
Gigi Jacobs June 11th, 2014 at 06:02
Yeah, you are a total crock of shit…..lol…I agree! Good observation!
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 21:36
“While Democrats are much more likely to be reasonable and negotiate and COMPROMISE” ROTFL
Where have you been lately? Does Harry Reid sound like someone who negotiates? When was the last time you saw Obama be reasonable and negotiate. That science ended after Bill Clinton; he knew the art of compromise and negotiating.
Gigi Jacobs June 12th, 2014 at 10:17
That science is just starting to hit the scientific community as a consensus and the new studies are coming out so prolifically that it’s hard to even keep up. But you don’t use science or math since you’re missing that section in the brain to begin with. No need for you to read things you can’t comprehend.
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 16:51
Wrong again.
Chinese Democracy June 9th, 2014 at 20:01
oh THAT must be proof .. u have Obamas fake birth certificate too?
Bob Waas June 9th, 2014 at 21:32
You provide no proof, but question mine. I believe you can find a photo shop copy of Obama’s birth certificate if you search the web.
Obewon June 9th, 2014 at 23:32
Wass is still Bob the birther after loosing twice LMAO! 53%-47%-Mc’Palin via 2:1 365-173. And 51%-47% 3:2 332-206-Mitt’nRyan. You’l most likely be wormfood long before any GOP ever dents the White House again. Canadian Ted Cruz / Birther Ben Carson until 2016~
Shades June 10th, 2014 at 15:38
It’s not like Waas has any credibility. What can you say about a guy who goes through sock puppets like, well, socks.
Jeanne June 11th, 2014 at 02:29
I’m a liberal Democrat and I believe you. There’s a tradition in southern states of registering as a Democrat while actually behaving like a Republican. It’s a carry over from the days when the parties were switched.That doesn’t change the fact that he murdered a teenager in cold blood.
Bob Waas June 11th, 2014 at 22:31
I guess you would rather be defending Trayvon for beating George to death; which he was doing just before he was shot.
Mike June 9th, 2014 at 00:23
Bowe is a republican.