Trump’s popular vote loss continues to grow
Republican and president-elect Donald Trump’s loss in the popular vote to Democrat Hillary Clinton continues to grow nearly a week after he won the Electoral College vote, according to the latest tallies. Clinton now holds a 668,483 lead over the next president, with 61,039,676 votes to Trump’s 60,371,193, according to CNN. Clinton has seen her lead…
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Red Eye Robot November 15th, 2016 at 08:03
Isn’t that precious! Tell me when she gets a majority.
William November 15th, 2016 at 09:16
Did you miss the part where she got the majority of the popular vote?. I’ll type slow. More people voted for Hillary than Trump.
trees November 15th, 2016 at 10:28
Did you miss the part where she lost the election? I’ll type even slower…..
Trump won the election.
arc99 November 15th, 2016 at 11:51
and I will type even slower.
Hillary Clinton is winning the popular vote. That is the point of the article and is something that should be remembered when hubristic right wingers are ranting about what the “American people” want.
The majority of the American people wanted Hillary Clinton as President of the United States. In politics, there is something called “reality”.
The reality is that President-elect Trump lost the popular vote because the majority of the electorate preferred someone else.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 12:12
arc99 – the majority of the people did not want Clinton – she did not get 50%+ of the vote let alone all of the people that simply did not vote. Clinton will win the popular vote, but Constitutionally that has no bearing on who wins the Presidential Election. The reality of the situation at hand is that the voting public has elected Donald Trump as President while also giving a majority of the seats in Congress and the Senate to the Republicans. For at least the next two years they will control what happens at the Federal level of the government – regardless of what the majority of the people wish at this time.
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 12:22
“Clinton will win the popular vote”
Now, was that so hard to say ?!?
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 12:35
Nope – not hard at all. Clinton will win the popular vote. That doesn’t mean she will win a majority of the popular vote. The word you are looking for is “plurality.” Clinton will win the most popular votes but will not win a majority of the popular votes. The only candidate for this presidential election that will win a majority will be Donald Trump in the Electoral votes.
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 14:28
Splitting hairs may work for you…keep the faith you’re going to need it.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 14:32
Need it for what? I don’t particularly care who is President. The federal government isn’t going to dictate to me how I live my life. The government is never going to do anything that will determine my happiness in life or the satisfaction I get in living my life. I think too many people look to the government to get things done instead of looking inside of themselves.
William November 15th, 2016 at 13:15
Is that your way of diverting from the fact that Hillary got more votes?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
trees November 15th, 2016 at 16:44
Sez the guy attempting to divert from the result of the Presidential election.
Lol…..
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 10:44
William – you must not have done well in math. Neither Clinton nor Trump won a majority of the popular vote as they are both under 50% of the total number of votes. Trump did win a majority of the votes that matter – those being the Electoral Votes as laid out in the Constitution.
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 10:51
and still counting…
BTW both parties have been griping about the electoral college for years…it all depends on who lost.
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 11:01
If there are enough votes to move Clinton from 47.8% to over 50% then several states would possibly be flipping their electoral votes at that point. That would be almost 3 million more votes just for her without a single vote for Trump still needing to be counted. Not going to happen.
As to whether the electoral college should be scrapped I personally think it should not. When the states came together to form the Federal government they were more independent than they are now. They did not intend to form such a massive Federal government that had so much power in my opinion. The Electoral college prevents the populous states such as NY, TX, and CA from dictating national elections over the smaller less populous states. These states deserve this protection from federal mandates that they do not wish to be forced into. I wish we could go back to a time of less federal power and more state power in terms of government.
trees November 15th, 2016 at 11:02
Excellent post
fahvel November 15th, 2016 at 11:08
ignorance is bliss. you must be sooooo comfy.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 11:15
ignorance of what?
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 11:13
You’re entitled to your opinions and wishes.
I’ll stick to facts that you find objectionable.
Still counting…
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 11:16
what facts did I find objectionable? Do you really expect Clinton to get to 50%+ on the popular vote?
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 11:27
Numbers speak for themselves, still counting and still ahead.
Besides why would you care if once again republicans have lost the popular vote…Dear leader is still headed for the White house..albeit. .via Federal court…There will be a very special place in history for him and your party.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 11:33
I never denied Trump would lose the popular vote count. I only pointed out that Clinton is not likely to get to a majority and Trump did get a majority of the electoral votes. I also did not vote for Trump, so he is not my candidate nor am I a registered Republican so that is not my party.
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 11:41
let me guess, Libertarian…perhaps ?
Mind explaining then why your pronouncement of not winning the popular vote by 50% means anything to you then ?…States rights, you’re a red state southerner no doubt …not a republican ? Fascinating.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 11:55
William stated that Clinton won a majority of the popular vote. That was incorrect and it is very unlikely that it will be true when the final count is tallied. However, it is clear that Trump won a majority of the Electoral votes which is Constitutionally what is required to win the Presidential election. I only point this out because some people seem to think Trump did not win the election – he did. I am not really a member of any party, but I did vote for Gary Johnson this election. Not sure how that has anything to do with the election results in terms of overall popular vote count and electoral votes.
As far as states rights go, I often wonder why more liberals are not more in favor of them. If California voters decide to make healthcare free for all, allow for abortions on demand and covered under the free healthcare, increase minimum wage to whatever they want, etc. then they should be free to do so as long as they want it and can fund it from their state.
whatthe46 November 15th, 2016 at 12:12
it is correct jackass. LOLOLOLOL. wow you parasites live in a bubble don’t cha? racist idiot.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 12:13
what is correct? That 47.8% is a majority? I would beg to differ.
whatthe46 November 15th, 2016 at 13:53
it’s even more than that. and it would be an even bigger embarrassment if the white racist repukes didn’t suppress 300k votes that would have undoubtedly gone to Hillary. America DID NOT vote for a rapist, racist, sexual predator and criminal for president. and now, dumb ass bitches are crying that they voted for him even though he threatened to take away their healthcare, now wishing they hadn’t. well racist ass white people always vote against their own best interest. you get what you pay for.
Ed VanDyke November 15th, 2016 at 18:07
I believe I can help on this cyclical, obtuse conversation.
ma·jor·i·ty
məˈjôrədē,məˈjärədē/
noun
1.
the greater number.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 18:12
Such as a majority of voters did not vote for Clinton in the latest presidential election.
Ed VanDyke November 15th, 2016 at 18:19
The majority of voters DID vote for Clinton, compared to her competitors. The majority of Americans did not. The majority of Americans did not vote at all. (in that only about 26% of eligible, registered voters voted for Clinton and Trump, each. And 47% didn’t vote.)
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 18:27
It is simple math – the majority of voters i.e. 52.2% selected a candidate other than Hillary Clinton when they voted. No one candidate obtained a majority of the vote.
Ed VanDyke November 15th, 2016 at 18:36
It’s simple math which you’re twisting into obsessive-compulsive, misguided semantics. Election majorities are determined by a differential of candidates, NOT a percentage of the whole. This is inarguably an analysis of an election. So terminologies should conform to that standard for clarity of conveying one’s message. Arguing a definition of a term out of context, to make a point, only makes that point irrelevant…
Jimmy Fleck November 16th, 2016 at 10:19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_rule – Read up on the difference between majority rule and plurality rule.
whatthe46 November 15th, 2016 at 19:10
wrong jackass.
Jimmy Fleck November 16th, 2016 at 10:05
Please explain how getting 47.8% of the total votes cast equals receiving a majority (i.e. more than 50%) of the total votes cast.
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 12:14
William needs no defense from me.
His point remains, despite your insistence that 50% is a numerical majority.
My point is the counting continues and the popular vote is still in her favor.
I agree with some of libertarian and republican mind sets BTW
the problem is, neither contain enough on the whole, to make me change my party affiliations. Red states are NOT California…by a long shot.
William November 15th, 2016 at 13:14
AGAIN.
Hillary got the most popular votes
Get an adult to explain it to you.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 13:42
William – your link was to the Democratic primary. I agree that Clinton got a majority of the primary votes. Please explain how Clinton won a majority of the presidential votes if 52.2% of the voters (a clear majority) voted for a different candidate than Clinton. So yes, Clinton will win a plurality of the popular vote (what you said in this post) but she will not win the majority of the popular vote (what you said in your original post).
William November 15th, 2016 at 16:52
She got more votes than the other candidates. Seriously, just how numb are you?
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 16:59
She did not get more votes than the total number of votes cast for other candidates. Otherwise she would have more than 50% of the popular vote. Are you really this dumb? You do realize that a couple of third party candidates took a significant number of votes for themselves right? That is why neither Trump nor Hillary will come out with a majority of the vote. Hillary has the highest vote total, but it is not a majority of the votes cast. Majority means more than half. She will not have more than half of the total votes when the counting is completed. Hillary has a plurality of the votes cast. There is a distinction.
William November 15th, 2016 at 17:44
She got more votes than EACH of the other candidates candidates. I’m sorry I’m not used to going down to your level.
Jimmy Fleck November 15th, 2016 at 17:48
I said that she had the most votes. Do you understand that she does not have a majority of the votes?
bpollen November 16th, 2016 at 03:02
It’s the amount of votes cast. Do you figure your income on what you MIGHT have gotten? Do you figure an hourly wage by the hours worked or by the hours in a day? If you wanna talk about math, you first have to understand the difference between “>” and “<" don't you? If someone didn't vote, then there is no vote to count. The popular vote is a measure of votes cast out of the total number of voters. Not some theoretical numbers.
You also might want to familiarize yourself with "majority" and "plurality."
Jimmy Fleck November 16th, 2016 at 10:04
bpollen – My point is that Clinton did not receive a majority of the votes cast. Currently Clinton is at 47.8% of the votes cast – that is clearly less than half and therefore not a majority. Since the third party candidates received so many votes, neither Clinton nor Trump will reach the 50% threshold to claim a majority. I have said in other posts that Clinton has won a plurality of the vote but that term seems to be beyond the other people in this thread. I am not sure why you are going on an on about the people that did not vote. Clinton has < 50% of the total number of votes cast for president in this election. Do you agree with that statement?
Red Eye Robot November 17th, 2016 at 09:08
Yes i did miss it. 48% is not a majority. More people is only a majority when it 50% + 1 vote or more.
anothertoothpick November 15th, 2016 at 09:22
In spite of massive repub voter suppression Clinton still has won the popular vote.
whatthe46 November 15th, 2016 at 09:34
that’s your problem idiot. you haven’t the capabilities of comprehension. Clinton WON the popular vote, and the count is still rising. the majority of the PEOPLE didn’t elect tRump jackass.
Red Eye Robot November 17th, 2016 at 09:04
A majority didn’t vote for Clinton either, A majority is defined as 50% +1 vote. A Majority Didn’t elect her husband in 1992 & 1996. In fact you have to go back to 1908 and Woodrow Wilson to find a 20th century president with a lower % of the popular vote than Bill. But none of this matters because WE DON’T ELECT PRESIDENTS BY POPULAR VOTE. Almost nobody does.
whatthe46 November 17th, 2016 at 09:08
she has the most popular votes of any president before her excluding Obama. and right now, it’s near 2 mil. so again, STFU you’re such a liar and ill informed ass.
Red Eye Robot November 17th, 2016 at 12:34
More votes than any loser you mean. 47.3% is not a majority, its not near 2 million. She barely has more votes than George Bush in 2004 despite 10 million more votes cast.
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 10:38
…Just as soon as you tell me when you’ve reached puberty.
fahvel November 15th, 2016 at 11:07
oh come on, it’s all he does, play with his puberty and so far nothing has happened.
bpollen November 16th, 2016 at 02:56
Please, tell me right away when your opinion becomes relevant.
Robert M. Snyder November 15th, 2016 at 08:27
Why are we still counting votes a week after the election? It does not inspire confidence in the process.
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 09:24
It’s clear that you don’t pay attention. Continued vote counting is why incumbant VP EC vote Certification is never until December! Time for uninformed Nationalist drones to read. Turning off GOP TV would be an excellent beginning. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
Robert M. Snyder November 15th, 2016 at 10:38
Time for liberals to stop the condescension and insults.
Suggested reading: How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 10:41
Long ago in the best light you were viewed as dim. Today you relish being scolded for your well proven ignorance. That’s a Carnegie positive, before I told it like it is.
Robert M. Snyder November 15th, 2016 at 12:44
You said you used to work for a brick mason. Have you completely lost touch with the concerns of non-college working people? You act like a snob.
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 20:59
1. From age 12 to 15, I carried bricks, mixed and moved cement as a hod carrier making $12/hr when the minimum wage was $2.35/Hr.
2. During HS I also earned an AA in Technical Illustration/drafting.
3. During college studying business law, econ, etc. I started my first of three successful businesses: electronic security hiring “non-college working people”-Paying them $12-$18/Hr. Double+ what my competitors then paid was $7/Hr.
Since then I’ve hired and well paid hundreds of IT relational database contract workers. None had a college degree except two who had Medical PhD’s. You failed and flailed again Bob!
Robert M. Snyder November 15th, 2016 at 21:11
Okay, so which of the following is true?
1. All of your employees had political views identical to yours.
2. You spoke in the same condescending manner to your employees that you speak to people on this forum who disagree with your views?
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 21:53
You queried, failed and then tried to move the goalpost again.
You asked, and I thought the answer is self-explanatory. Re: “Have you completely lost touch with the concerns of non-college working people?”
1. I work in IT. Many of my friends have no college or a degree.
2. All of my foreign H1-B visa colleagues are required to have a college degree, or they can’t qualify for H1 temporary work visas.
3. Many of my American born friends also have college, or some continuing education. I always learn plenty by listening to others.
4. And many of my Jewish colleagues voted for Anti-Semite DT.
Many of of my DT voting colleagues are now scared crapless. Yes these DT supporters and voters are already bummed about the faux border wall collapsing. Also in conjunction with keeping & not canceling the $2.5 T+ Federal Deficit reducing ACA ObamaCare.
Many of these were last week DT supporters. But are now reeling from their fellow -now aghast Hispanic family and friends. Many already now know they were conned by White Supremacist Anti-Semites. Here’s the extra $1 T+ Medicare saved, plus the $1.5 T+ CBO’s upgraded savings. What are GOP Conserving? Ignorance. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a70b3291560cf9c3cd21dbca66ca8cb79296f82e2ada833802891663f71dd093.jpg
Robert M. Snyder November 15th, 2016 at 22:33
Anyone who has lived through more than two election cycles should know that campaign promises should not be taken literally. Did anyone really believe that Hillary was going to magically deploy 500 million photovoltaic panels during her first term?
Your DT-voting friends can take comfort in the words of Obama: Trump is a pragmatist. I find that refreshing, because the last two presidents were ideologues.
Regarding condescension – I didn’t appreciate being called an uninformed nationalist who doesn’t read simply because I had forgotten about how things like provisional ballots can drag out the vote counting. A simple reminder would have sufficed.
We’ve both developed databases and run small businesses. I framed, plumbed, and wired my own house, and you’ve worked in construction. We clearly have a lot in common. If we were talking over a beer instead of an internet connection, I have a feeling that we’d be good friends, despite our philosophical differences.
To be honest, I have probably been condescending toward you in the past, so yeah, I’m a hypocrite and I probably asked for it. I’ll try to do better in the future.
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 22:49
As BHO44’s campaign promises kept proves. The average is 70% of campaign promises kept since Eisenhower. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/
Robert M. Snyder November 15th, 2016 at 23:21
Interesting. But when I looked at the article, it immediately occurred to me that some promises are much more consequential than others. George W. Bush promised “No nation building”. I would trade all of his other promises for that one.
Obewon November 16th, 2016 at 01:36
Yea but GWB43’s $7 T+ faux Iraq oil wars sure are pricey! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_drtSa3KP6o
FNLED November 16th, 2016 at 02:07
Hey Obe.:)))
And not a single “responsible fiscal conservative” has sacrificed a dime extra in taxes to fund any of it.
VA costs and all.
And they don’t intend to.
Ever.
Trillions plus the yearly interest thrown right in their kids lap.
It’s pathetic.
bpollen November 16th, 2016 at 02:54
Which of the following factors accelerate global warming?
1. I walk to school
2. I like pie
When you limit a complex issue to a binary choice, you negate nuance. For instance, shallow-thinking people who push Alex Jones conspiracies and logical fallacies might get condescension while non-conformity does not. Or maybe he keeps his politics out of the workplace? Or maybe he respects an employees rights to have an opinion, but not to be disruptive to the workplace by harping on and on and on and on…. You know, nuance.
Robert M. Snyder November 16th, 2016 at 08:23
Have you stopped beating your wife?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
bpollen November 16th, 2016 at 15:05
Again, you express it in a binary choice, yet it’s not a binary issue.
Robert M. Snyder November 16th, 2016 at 15:11
That was my way of saying “I get your point”.
bpollen November 16th, 2016 at 15:15
Well, I did notice how spot on it was in representing my point, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into understanding as clearly or reliably as “I get your point.”
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 10:41
Also Suggested reading: How to pull your head out of your arse when a Democrat is in the white house.
fahvel November 15th, 2016 at 11:06
i’d be blacklisted here if I said what I think of small meaningless ineffectual minds like yours.
Robert M. Snyder November 15th, 2016 at 12:41
Ineffectual? We won the election! LOFL!
anothertoothpick November 15th, 2016 at 09:30
Here’s what you should be worried about.
Trumps leadership team.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d929dd446ae6fb3fe759cc319be12b748b6af4252bcd645647f1dcf29251cf1.jpg
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 09:34
Before EC vote certification a Felony background check is required: November 28 Trump and his Dirtbag U are being tried by Jury for FRAUD before U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel! A true American Hero.
Glen November 15th, 2016 at 10:25
Provisional votes, for one thing.
If the counting was already finished, I’d be concerned, and not have confidence.
They need to process every provisional vote, determine whether it’s a legitimate vote or should be discarded.
oldfart November 15th, 2016 at 10:36
What part of counting people who exercised the civic right and duty do you find
un-inspirering ?
mea_mark November 15th, 2016 at 08:54
Apparently election reform should be our country’s top priority. Too bad we elected a bunch of politicians that can’t do it. Midterms 2018, vote them out and demand that our election system gets an overhaul.
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 09:31
Clinton 61,318,162 votes (47.8%)
Donnie 60,541,308 votes (47.2%)
Via NYT’s realtime vote tabulator. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
trees November 15th, 2016 at 11:00
How many house and Senate seats did libs win???
Republican majorities….
Doh!!!
fahvel November 15th, 2016 at 11:04
stick a branch where the sun does not shine.
Duke Woolworth November 16th, 2016 at 03:52
Grow up. We lost.
They’ll screw up. We win.
Obewon November 15th, 2016 at 20:41
‘trees’ knows zip, so here is a twig:
U.S. Senate As of November 2016 | After Donnie 2016
Democratic Party 44/46 | 46/48
Republiklan Party 54 | 52
Independents caucus with Dems 2 | 2
FNLED November 16th, 2016 at 02:10
Can you answer a few policy questions?
rite4forlife November 16th, 2016 at 11:18
I can answer the policy questions. We’re going to pass his legislation first, then we’ll find out what’s in it. If we can do that for Obamacare, we can do it for Mr. Trump.
FNLED November 16th, 2016 at 22:03
What is “his” legislation?
John Galt November 15th, 2016 at 12:18
So? Make Hillary the president of NYC if you would like; just leave we Americans out of it!
FNLED November 16th, 2016 at 02:10
What are you hiding from?
whatthe46 November 16th, 2016 at 06:20
we? i’m not a part and neither are more than a million and counting, of your racist world. if you don’t like the melting pot of America, you can always get the hell out.
John Galt November 16th, 2016 at 10:53
I’m one of the anti-racists, as are a majority of my cohort. We defeated the racist; woman rolled over when she was rebuked for making the honest statement “All lives matter”. ANY other position is absolutely racist.
trees November 16th, 2016 at 05:56
I will award Hillary a special consolation prize…
For winning slightly more votes than anyone else, while recognizing that she failed to win at least 270 electoral college votes…
Hillary shall be….
Queen of the blue balloon people.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3de350658e023e4521d29721431671ae8301f2eab3152fddbe7643cc84594552.jpg
whatthe46 November 16th, 2016 at 06:18
more than a million and counting isn’t slightly stupid.
whatthe46 November 16th, 2016 at 06:26
you never explained why you support a child rapist by the way.