Sanders campaign manager blames Clinton for rise of ISIS
Obviously the news of the last couple of days has swirled on who is “qualified” and unqualified” to be president in the Democratic party. I believe Bernie Sanders was traveling so he was probably trying to rest while heading to Philadelphia, but his campaign manager Jeff Weaver has been all over television. He joined Carol Costello…
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jybarz April 7th, 2016 at 18:58
Maybe it doesn’t matter much to some, but the judgement thing is definitely a very big matter to just ignore.
Obewon April 7th, 2016 at 20:36
The primary campaign donor limit is $2,700: Woo-hoo I’m a Yuuge donor. LMAO!
Nonpartisan Pulitzer Prize winner PolitiFact says ‘HRC SuperPAC donations = $34,700’-bfd.
Here’s FEC> Bern Size of Contributions
$200 and Under $118,040,465
$200.01 – $499 $7,484,276
$500 – $999 $5,544,989
$1000 – $1999 $4,602,086
$2000 and Over $2,846,599
HRC Size of Contributions as of 02/29/2016:
$200 and Under $50,121,743
$200.01 – $499 $7,417,714
$500 – $999 $7,707,360
$1000 – $1999 $16,631,135
$2000 and Over $79,081,346 http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do
jybarz April 7th, 2016 at 22:01
JUDGMENT on OVERALL ISSUES not just campaign finance or a couple of issues, I believe, should matter the most and is the BEST indication of the QUALITY and INTEGRITY of the CANDIDATE..
Both have indicated they’ll get rid of the Super PAC.
But, Bernie is the ONLY CANDIDATE in both parties who has no Super PAC now because he won’t allow it in his campaign.
Mensa Member April 7th, 2016 at 22:09
The ability to get things done matters to me — a lot.
I agreed with Dennis Kucinich on all the issues but there is a reason he’s not President Kucinich. I have the same concern about Sanders.
Obewon April 7th, 2016 at 22:24
She has an excellent track record of getting things done as my NY Senator, Secretary of State, and FLOTUS.
How many Sanders written bills were passed and signed into law? ‘Too far left is left out’.
Comicus April 7th, 2016 at 22:34
What is ‘too far right’ then?
“Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
Mensa Member April 7th, 2016 at 22:46
I’m a Thom Hartmann listener, so I’ve followed and liked Bernie Sanders for years.
I love his vision but I’ve never been convinced by his effectiveness.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 00:04
I stopped listening to Hartman about a month ago. His slant was just too annoying to handle anymore. I don’t miss it.
I wish Randi Rhodes had not left radio when she did. She would still be in that time slot.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 00:09
I’m with you on Randi Rhodes. She had a skill for identifying the important issues.
For example, she was the first to recognize the significance of the Citizen’s United case.
But, she seems to have some personal issues that effect her stability.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 00:22
I learned so much from her when she was on the air. I really appreciated the research she did and how she helped us understand things we might not have. I used to giggle when she gave homework. :)
She had a couple of bad experiences first with Air America and then I believe she was basically blacklisted because of the Clinton 2008 campaign. Do you remember when she called her a “political wh*re” in jest at a private comedy club on her own free time? I’m not sure, but she may have also been sued.
Anywho, she just burned out. I can certainly understand that. She and her husband bought a place in an exotic spot and she healed over a number of years. She is currently trying to get back on the air. She’s raising money for it.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 00:50
I remember how she was fired. I agree that it was unfair.
I’m not convinced that Hillary Clinton got her fired. I doubt that Hillary was even aware of Randi Rhodes.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 01:00
I don’t know how it happened but it was because of that. Who knows who reported it to management. How else would they have known? I don’t agree with what she said but apparently she felt she was on her own time and it was free speech. Management felt she was representing Air America at the time. It was a mess.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 01:11
For sure — it was a mess.
It’s sad how Air America failed. I gather that Air America’s administration was incompetent.
Even so — they brought us some great talent.
Rachael Maddow, first and foremost.
But also Al Franken and Thom Hartmann.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 01:16
Agreed. I think Rachel is perhaps the best in the business. No one comes close.
The most unfortunate thing was that the collapse was celebrated by the right so much. And yet, like you’ve said, the talent went on to bigger and better things!
Obewon April 8th, 2016 at 00:22
Thom and Randi’s greatness are enshrined in persevering through America’s darkest GWB / Cheney repub nightmares.
Meanwhile the list of bills Bernie has sponsored that went on to become law is short – One! Plus 2 post office renamings in 30 years!
1. S.893 – The Veteran’s Compensation Cost of Living Adjustment Act of 2013
2. S.885 – A Bill to Designate the Facility of the United States Postal Service Located At 1 Marble Street in Fair Haven, Vermont, as the “Matthew Lyon Post Office Building”
3. H.R. 5245 – “To Designate the Facility of the United States Postal Service Located At 1 Marble Street in Fair Haven, Vermont, as the “Matthew Lyon Post Office Building”
The list of bills he has co-sponsored that were enacted as law is longer (203 bills) – via https://www.quora.com/Where-can-I-find-a-list-of-legislative-bills-that-Bernie-Sanders-sponsored-or-co-sponsored-and-that-the-president-signed-into-law
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 00:28
Thanks for bringing some facts to this discussion.
Have you heard of the theory of the “Hedgehog and the Fox”?
I think we have that in Bernie vs. Hillary.
Bernie is the “Hedgehog” — he’s resolute and hunkers down.
Hillary is the “Fox” — she is adaptive and pragmatic.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 00:34
:) Hedgehogs are awful cute, but I rather have a fox on my side. They are gorgeous and wily.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 00:46
As for pundits — “Fox”s get it right, more often.
But news shows prefer “Hedgehogs” — like Bill Kristol and O’Reilly.
They have been consistently wrong on every major issue.
But, the media still give them a platform because they have a consistent opinion.
But, this is not a positive quality in a president.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 00:01
You are wise.
Obewon April 7th, 2016 at 22:25
Questions for Bernie Sanders http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/04/opinion/2-questions-for-bernie-sanders.html
mea_mark April 7th, 2016 at 20:23
I read that as a very hawkish foreign policy is what gave rise to ISIS. Hillary shares that belief along with others. I don’t see him blaming Hillary for the rise of ISIS. I see him blaming the foreign policy she ascribes to along with others as being responsible for the rise of ISIS. And I do agree with that sentiment, too much war is not good for the world in general. I think inequality though is also a big reason for the rise of ISIS.
robert April 7th, 2016 at 20:52
i don’t think it was our place to take out gaddafi If he was a threat to this nation i don’t think he would be able to pitch a tent on us soil …. Too caught up in the war moment
Obewon April 7th, 2016 at 20:28
These fantasies are why his campaign trails HRC by 10 to 11 points in key delegate primary states NY (April 19), CA (June 19), etc.
whatthe46 April 7th, 2016 at 20:56
ok, sanders needs to rethink who’s speaking for him. this pisses me off. place the blame where it belongs and it’s not on Obama or Hillary or any dem.
Foundryman April 7th, 2016 at 21:05
Funny, I heard Newt Gingrich say that same thing about Obama. “ISIS is Obama’s fault.”
You know you’re in trouble if you can’t tell the difference between a republican and a democrat.
Why in the world would the Sanders campaign want to go down this road?
Mensa Member April 7th, 2016 at 22:41
>I heard Newt Gingrich say that same thing about Obama
He is a noxious human being.
Newt Gingrich was warned repeatedly and unequivocally that his support for the Iraq war would lead to something like ISIS.
But, he didn’t give two craps.
Tommie April 7th, 2016 at 22:24
As a Bernie supporter, I do not agree with that, that’s all on Bush since he was in charge at the time!
Mensa Member April 7th, 2016 at 22:31
Everybody who supported the Iraq war shares the blame for ISIS.
That would include Hillary Clinton. But it also includes 72% or Americans and nearly 100% of all Republicans.
Tommie April 7th, 2016 at 23:01
I see your point but he should not have just blame Hillary for that!
Mensa Member April 7th, 2016 at 23:06
Maybe I should have been clearer — I agree with you.
I’m a Hillary supporter but I was dismayed when she voted for the Iraq war.
But, she was with the majority of Americans, at the time.
Sanders shouldn’t just blame Hillary. He should blame most Americans. And all Republicans.
mistlesuede April 7th, 2016 at 23:59
Having been the Senator from NY at the time, her decision was based a lot on what she was experiencing on and after 9/11. Her mistake was to trust Bush with an authorization to use force wisely. She believed they would let the inspections be completed first. He and Darth Cheney lied to Congress and the world and pulled the inspectors out before they completed the job.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 00:03
I’ll say it again – I was dismayed at her vote for the Iraq war.
I’ll still happily vote for Hillary. But, to me, her bad judgment about the Iraq war matters.
But, she has admitted that she made a mistake. This also matters to me. I like a politician who can admit they were wrong. This is a rare quality among politicians.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 00:07
Yep. She has admitted she was wrong on some things and has evolved on others. That is what average Americans do every day of their lives. For some reason when she does it, she’s a “liar.” SMH
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 00:19
I get you.
Some people hammer Obama because he changed his mind on gay marriage.
But, so did I. OK, I did it long before Obama. But, I was wrong about homosexuality. I admit that now.
Because of that, I can’t be sanctimonious about Obama.
Likewise, the large majority of Americans can’t criticize Hillary for her support of the Iraq war. _Most_ Americans supported the Iraq war.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 00:32
PO was also reflecting a very strong feeling among black folks at that time. They are often more religious and at that time were still not real keen on gay marriage. I think time and respect for the President and his opinion has changed that a lot. Perhaps not totally though. I can’t say for certain.
Don’t you think the constant fear mongering really did a number on a lot of Americans regarding Iraq? I remember that time very clearly and they certainly were selling the fear hard. It worked on a lot of people unfortunately. I was not one of them. I remember the ginormous anti-war demonstrations in New York City. My husband scheduled a business trip so that he could participate in the biggest one. What an experience.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 00:56
I think you and I were in the same place after 9/11.
I was grieved and horrified but I knew that Iraq had nothing to do with it.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 01:08
Of course we didn’t have the burden of seeing false intelligence reports and whatever else was being skewed. My biggest disappointment was with Colin Powell. That hurt. I had always admired him.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 01:13
No kidding. Colin Powell.
He seemed like a decent guy — and he was totally screwed by George Bush and D. Cheney.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 01:15
No kidding. Colin Powell.
He seemed like a decent guy — and he was totally betrayed by George Bush and D. Cheney.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 01:19
His reputation was killed by them. I have tried to forgive him.
DownriverDem April 8th, 2016 at 11:08
Move on. We have a lot more issues to care about. Beating this dead horse over and over again makes no sense.
Um Cara April 8th, 2016 at 10:50
Sanders shouldn’t just blame Hillary. He should blame most Americans. And all Republicans.
You seem to think he doesn’t/hasn’t blamed Republicans, just because this one statement by his campaign manager re: Clinton’s culpability. I don’t really think that fair.
DownriverDem April 8th, 2016 at 11:06
Bernie is spending his time now attacking Hillary. He sounds like many of his supporters who just use RWNJ talking points. Maybe it’s true that the repubs want Bernie to get the nomination. They don’t want to run against Hillary. Notice they don’t attack Bernie? If Bernie gets the nomination, his supporters are going to be blindsided big time. I can hear it now: “Commie, socialist Jew” 24/7.
Um Cara April 8th, 2016 at 11:40
Indeed both HRC and the Bernster are attacking each other, though not to the extent the eventual D nominee will be attacked by the eventual R nominee. Good prep, I suppose, though they have both irritated me at times.
Bunya April 8th, 2016 at 14:14
The problem is, most Americans aren’t running for the highest court in the land. The reason HRC voted in favor of the Iraq war is because she didn’t want to appear soft on terror to the republicans. And, after 4400 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead – for oil – it’s a bit hard for me to overlook her “mistake” and hope she doesn’t cave under GOP pressure (again) once she becomes president.
DownriverDem April 8th, 2016 at 11:03
Why don’t we all agree and move on?
DownriverDem April 8th, 2016 at 11:03
Bernie is getting bad advice and it won’t help him at all. Sad.
mistlesuede April 7th, 2016 at 23:56
You are the company you keep. The candidate is ultimately responsible for the campaign no matter what and if they don’t agree with something, that person would be gone. Heck, it isn’t just Weaver who is pushing this bad behavior, it’s his wife too.
Mensa Member April 8th, 2016 at 01:00
You make a good point.
Do you remember the questionable things Geraldine Ferraro said against Obama in support of Hillary Clinton?
This hurt Hillary. And I think fairly so.
mistlesuede April 8th, 2016 at 01:12
Yes. She really ticked me off. Quite arrogant. We were Obama supporters and campaign volunteers. I was able to miss a lot of the down and dirty stuff because I was too busy making calls (sometimes about 200 or more a day) and trying to keep life in order here. But some of the stuff I did see and hear. That woman was a real turnoff.
Um Cara April 8th, 2016 at 10:49
Hawks (like HRC) have indeed contributed to the rise of ISIS, is that really in question? She can make strong arguments as to how things would be worse if she hadn’t been so pro blowing people up – but neighbors getting blown up by our drones certainly has helped ISIS recruitment. I really don’t understand how anyone could disagree with that.
DownriverDem April 8th, 2016 at 11:02
Bernie’s campaign manager sucks. Ditch him Bernie. You are getting some very bad advice. You won’t change hearts and minds by attacking Hillary. You sound like a Bernie Bro now. I have lost respect for you big time.