Gallup: Majority Want Stricter Gun Laws
A Gallup poll reveals most Americans want more gun control.
Click here for reuse options!A new Gallup poll conducted between Oct. 7-11 shows a general decline in enthusiasm for expanding gun ownership, with 55 percent of respondents saying that they want to see the government enforce stricter guidelines for gun sales.
The poll has also found the number of respondents who favor loosening gun regulation and who want the status quo maintained to be lessening. Those who want gun sales to be made even easier clock in at 11 percent, a decline in two points since 2014. The number of Americans who want guns laws to remain just as are number at 33 percent, which is a four point drop since last year.
Gallup finds that this issue sharply divides Democrats and Republicans. The data finds that while Democrats and Independents support gun control by 77 and 57 percent respectively, only 27 percent of Republicans would support stricter regulations.
While the majority of respondents want tighter regulations, only 27 support banning the general public from owning handguns.
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tracey marie October 19th, 2015 at 17:05
Once again the ammosexuals are “shot down”.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 01:10
You should be ashamed by that closeted homophobic insult. But of course you and the 9 who upvoted you are typical of anti-gunners. Why should liberals want to associate with such hateful bigotry?
mistlesuede October 20th, 2015 at 01:27
We are so sorry that you lack the intelligence to understand the term she used. That’s why you should not have weapons of mass destruction either. You are probably related to the guy who thought it was wise to play a game with his six year old child and show him his gun on the top of the fridge. Now he has a dead child and will be going to jail. That is justice.
bpollen October 20th, 2015 at 06:06
Which word are you confused about? Closeted? Homophobic? Insult?
Says a lot about YOU that you find homophobia in the comment. An obsession of yours?
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 06:30
I’m not surprised at your homophobia. Scratch an anti-gunner and they bleed bigotry.
bpollen October 20th, 2015 at 06:38
Really? Are you clairvoyant? Because you have goose-eggs for evidence of my “homophobia,” which means that you are either clairvoyant, or just jerking yourself. Shooting blanks, there, Skippy. Not surprised at your delusions. Ammosexuals have a tenuous relationship with the real world.
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:50
Ammosexuals want a second chance at life, it’s hidden and to be used only as a last case scenario, a gun does that for us, not the fancy disparaging words.
bpollen October 22nd, 2015 at 05:07
But that “2nd chance” comes with a HIGH potential cost that is MUCH more likely than protecting yourself – you are much more likely to be killed by your gun, more likely to have a family member killed by your gun than you have of protecting them. Says a lot that you are willing to gamble with your life and the lives of your family to maybe someday protect somebody with that gun.
mcalleyboy October 22nd, 2015 at 08:41
I agree there are people that shouldn’t carry guns, they are very careless, but how can you stop stupid?
bpollen October 23rd, 2015 at 04:43
And I bet you that every single one of the owners of the firearms used by or against children recently would have been adamant that THEY were responsible gun owners.
mcalleyboy October 23rd, 2015 at 06:08
Could be, but there’s no way to stop accidents. I remember a couple stories where the Grandma and Grampa come over for a visit and when they left they ran over the baby’s head, can you believe that?
bpollen October 23rd, 2015 at 06:19
There are ways to stop accidents. Ever heard of “accident prevention?” Would you willingly work at a business whose safety policy could be summed up as “Hey, stuff happens. What can you do?” Ever heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire? Most of the 146 deaths could have been prevented… by NOT locking the exits.
“…but there’s no way to stop accidents.”
Yeah, and OSHA is for studying the Atlantic and Pacific OSHANS…
mcalleyboy October 23rd, 2015 at 06:59
You love rules, I know you do and you sound like a very caring and compassionate individual but no matter how many rules you create, there are people that won’t listen, they get bored they don’t care it doesn’t matter and the factory fire you mentioned, I’m sure the rules are in place the trouble is nobody bothered to inspect the factory or couldn’t care about following their own OSHA rules.
bpollen October 24th, 2015 at 02:57
On the contrary, I don’t like rules. I just understand the necessity of rules in any social organization
The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire happened in 1911. OSHA was created in 1971. They are temporally distinct from each other. Pretty sure they didn’t have their own OSHA rules 60 years before OSHA existed.
The fire I mentioned is one of the occurrences that led to new workplace rules, it had a big impact on union growth, and was a wonderful example of WHY OSHA was created. Because you CAN prevent accidents. Saying that there is nothing you can do about them so we just have to accept the status quo is asinine and I simply don’t believe that you don’t follow that “Stuff happens, so do nothing” principle in your personal life.
mcalleyboy October 24th, 2015 at 20:05
You ever wonder why the gun issue wasn’t address back then, we had our guns. You can’t take away guns that will never work it’s like trying to take away knives but I see California may implement laws on buying ammo, you’ll need a license for that..Lol.
Your claim that you don’t like laws…I like that but I feel it’s disingenuous, could you answer a few questions, if you hear loud noises from the neighbors, party after 10 pm, barking dog, somebody got their old beater stuck as an eye sore you’d call the law enforcement or the city, am I right? Or I’ve read you wrong again.
bpollen October 24th, 2015 at 21:22
If I see a crime being committed, I call the cops. I don’t have problems with old beaters. If a party is too loud so that I disturbs the sleep of the children in the house, I would go to the party and ASK them to keep it down. A barking dog in my neighborhood usually means there is somebody cruising in the alley, which is a like an early warning signal -= a good thing. If I have drunken idiots having a knock-down drag-out fight outside a child’s window (it’s happened) I go out and freaking break it up myself.
Yeah, I call the cops if I think a crime has been committed. I have called the cops when I thought a car parked near my house was stolen. I don’t dial 911 for petty annoyances.
And, frankly, since I haven’t ever lied to you, I really don’t give a crap if you find the truth disingenuous It’s an indication of YOUR issues, not mine..
whatthe46 October 24th, 2015 at 22:12
damn that was a stupid post.
mistlesuede October 20th, 2015 at 10:07
Exactly. But then he’s not the brightest bulb.
ɥɐſloS October 20th, 2015 at 08:04
I think ammosexual is an awesome term.im thinking about printing up some t-shirts. Why be offended by the it? I like my guns and I like the term.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 09:01
Oh, I’m not offended. At least I’m not offended by the implied fag-baiting. What’s interesting to me is the offense intended by the user of the word. I think it is very revealing.
Anti-gunners have tried to insult gun enthusiasts for decades with various lowbrow and juvenile accusations of some type of sexual perversion. I’m not surprised those hate filled people would try and invent some new word to express their hatred. But why the word “ammosexual”?
Clearly the word is intended as an insult, and clearly the word is intended to sound like “homosexual”. The fag-baiting is obvious.
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:54
And it’s okay for the left to bash the right with disparaging words … Oh boy get ready for the hate when you pick on them and their partner’s, but hey…. most of these guys live in large cities, they seem clueless when it comes to living anywhere else, Oh I know you guys have traveled to other countries and are now experts.
whatthe46 October 21st, 2015 at 23:34
the rwnj’s are fk’n idiots and that’s why we laugh. preach morals and family values, salad sarah’s dumb bristol 2 x mom, single, and 2 baby daddy’s, who also goes on the circuit preaching abstinence for money. girlfriend rudy g, drag queen, tRump a racist dream, “he said that women who are victims of what he called “legitimate rape” rarely get pregnant.” ~ Todd Akin
Mike Huckabee’s loser son David killed a dog at Boy Scout camp by torturing and hanging it to death. all of the GOPissers are ranting “god” told them to run for Pres. you fools are a hoot.
mcalleyboy October 22nd, 2015 at 08:42
Sara Palin doesn’t represent the GOP, she is an idiot along with her mother, come one next you’ll be talking about Ted Nugent… stop it already, Mike Huckabee is strange to say the least, he’s not supported by the GOP as the poll numbers show.
whatthe46 October 21st, 2015 at 23:24
you should print them. let everyone know you’re a coward, and a paranoid parasite. quite a few of you have been stroking your steel penis while actually shooting off the one you were born with. good.
ɥɐſloS October 22nd, 2015 at 08:12
Jealous? Me thinks thou protest too much. ; )
whatthe46 October 21st, 2015 at 23:22
guns and rockets, you apparently love things that can be used for violence and your head is definitely in the damn sand. and how on earth did you associate homosexuality with gun nuts who are ammonsexuals? well, that’s something only an idiot like you can conjure up.
“You guys aren’t just firearm enthusiasts — you’re ammosexuals. And before you try and deny you have some sort of unnatural romantic relationship with your gun, consider this. You’re taking it out to dinner! Because it completes you.” ~ Bill Maher
what Bill said. fact also remains is that it’s your steel little wee wee and it’s bigger than the one you were born with.
one other thing, there are millions of liberals who are gun owners. thought i’d let you know since your head is in the sand and can’t seem to see clearly.
gunsandrockets October 22nd, 2015 at 08:12
You think it’s cool because that gasbag Bill Maher likes it? You can’t see the obvious fag-baiting contained within the slur? How stupid are you?
Why is it anti-gunners are so obsessed with sex? Why is it they resort so often to accusing gun enthusiasts of sexual perversion? They’ve been saying stupid shit like that for decades.
I’m not surprised the anti-gunners invented a new word to express their hatred. But why the word “ammosexual”? Are you so thick you can’t see the similarity to the word “homosexual”?
Scratch an anti-gunner, and they bleed bigotry.
Why the Democratic Party would want to associate with such hateful lunacy, says a lot about the party.
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:48
Hero ammosexuals… sure beats being called a Metrosexual…Lol or Girly boy and Mr Mom… still laughing, we won’t be shot down we carry.
tracey marie October 21st, 2015 at 23:12
carry what?
bpollen October 22nd, 2015 at 05:09
Metal machismo – penile extenders – ego crutches.
tracey marie October 22nd, 2015 at 09:59
you are good.
bpollen October 23rd, 2015 at 04:39
Hey, when you’re right, you’re right!
mcalleyboy October 22nd, 2015 at 08:44
Nutz! I’ve had a couple cases of beer, real good party tonight.
William October 19th, 2015 at 17:20
Indeed.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 13:04
Yep, feed that misconception about how lax the existing laws are regulating guns in the United States. Gotta keep up the misinforming of the liberal mind, right?
Heck, most of the people who answer polls in support of universal background checks don’t even know about the existing background check laws!
William October 20th, 2015 at 13:26
“Heck, most of the people who answer polls in support of universal background checks don’t even know about the existing background check laws!”
You of course have a link to the study, article or poll that supports your statement. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a57b71c5599df8596df87bfe96238c116495adb53e1acf624fb29a25471c15a.jpg
Could you post it please?
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 13:49
Nope no study. I admit that.
The fact is gun control law in the United States is arcane and frequently arbitrary. It’s no surprise that most people are not aware of the laws. It doesn’t help either when the media produces so much blatant misinformation and propaganda on the subject either.
The anti-gunners fixation with universal background checks is very odd. Many of the most populous states already have universal background check laws, and had them for years if not decades already like California. And of course they don’t make any difference in controlling criminal violence.
In fact the effort to expand background checks is plainly petty and stupid. Take Colorado for example. The old background check law covered all firearms from dealers, and all handguns from any sources, with costs for the background checks paid by the state. A perfectly adequate law, that would cover the vast majority of possible criminal misuse of firearm sales, yet it still wasn’t enough for the anti-gunners.
No, the anti-gunners had to ram through a new law which expanded the checks to all firearms from all sales, with the costs now paid from the pocket of the purchasers. Stupid and petty.
William October 20th, 2015 at 14:08
“Nope no study. I admit that.”
Your “opinion” is duly noted. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/93d08832f0242f442ae8d819610d866bb2f19bde81cbc5bf23af6b4b5fe43c62.png
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 14:30
Have you considered interning at Media Matters? Your reflexive hostility towards open thought and your immunity to opinions which challenge the party line show promise. You could go far working as a drone in the machine for dumbing down the Leftist mind.
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:46
You can’t claim a zero credibility rating on someone when you apparently have never purchased a gun stateside, seriously go enquire about purchasing a weapon and see if you can throw down cash and not get checked out by the state, good luck and you know this.
William October 22nd, 2015 at 09:38
You can’t claim a zero credibility rating on someone when you apparently have never purchased a gun stateside
Moron.
I have collection
mcalleyboy October 22nd, 2015 at 19:32
I feel most states will do a check, a quick check on your background or record, they did me and they don’t sell guns at Walmart in ND. Gun collection sounds interesting.
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:44
Go buy a gun and see what happens… that’s your proof William, you ain’t walking out of any gun store without a call to your state capital and that’s a fact JACK.
William October 22nd, 2015 at 09:42
Moron. My Swedish Mauser was purchased at a guns show. Transaction time, 10 minutes
mcalleyboy October 22nd, 2015 at 19:30
Did the dealer make a phone call? My home state made a phone call to the state capital and did a quick check on my record.
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:42
Amen sanity on this forum. I was checked when I purchased my Glock, walked out like a hero with my weapon in a case, I felt like a million dollars, people were practically kissing the ground I walked as I walked out of the “Sportsmans shop”, in awe I might add. My next stop was a Carry Concealed Hero’s class followed by some real training in the field.
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:33
From photo’s the left spins, you guys never post cool pictures of gun owners.
rg9rts October 19th, 2015 at 18:00
Who cares what the majority wants..its only the NRA and RWNJs that matter
Larry Schmitt October 19th, 2015 at 18:35
Because the NRA controls congress. The last thing any congressman wants is a failing grade from the NRA.
mistlesuede October 20th, 2015 at 00:50
Shhh. Don’t let those pesky facts get in the way of the gun humpers of America.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 01:16
So, when the Democrats were riding high on gun control in 1994, and the public opinion polls had them all convinced they were ‘winning’ on that issue, what happened in the 1994 elections?
Oh yes, don’ let pesky facts get in the way of the current suicide mission of the Democratic Party!
The only reason gun control polls as well as it does, is because most of the people who support gun control are highly ignorant of the current gun control laws in America. And most of the people who are ignorant about the issue also don’t care much about the issue and don’t vote based on that issue.
Which is why you lose.
mistlesuede October 20th, 2015 at 01:24
Oh goody. A gun humper.
Chew on this:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/federal-court-upholds-tough-gun-control-laws-n-y-conn-article-1.2402964
It takes time to have sensible things done and a strong leader like Cuomo. Hate him all you want. He got it done. Watch what CA is going to do on ammunition. We’ll keep plugging away to save lives. Tissue?
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 02:33
There is no question you will have your way in many Blue States. But as you crack down there you only demonstrate your extremism and failure to the entire nation, the extremism of your anti-gun laws and your failure to control crime. Because at the same time the Red States are going the opposite direction on gun-control, providing a stark contrast.
The Laboratories of Democracy. Gotta love ’em.
BTW, better get busy building prisons in NY for the hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers who refused to register their newly banned rifles under Cuomo’s SAFE ACT law.
bpollen October 20th, 2015 at 06:03
Well, that’s what prisons are for, isn’t it? Criminals?
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 06:36
So where are your new prisons? Better get busy building them, cause you are going to need a lot of them.
Of course I expect the same toothless, gutless, reaction from New York and Connecticut that states such as California demonstrated in the past. See this is an old game. Anti-gunners pass a law requiring registration of millions or hundreds of thousands of firearms, the public responds with massive non-compliance, and the anti-gunners then chicken out from trying to enforce the law they passed.
bpollen October 20th, 2015 at 06:43
You ask where the prisons are, and in the very next sentence tell me I should get busy building them. Lost your train of thought by the 2nd sentence. Good job.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 06:51
Wow. Defeated by the word “new”. No wonder you lose the gun control fight.
bpollen October 20th, 2015 at 07:04
Bring a fact, puppy. Until then, you are just wasting pixels.
mistlesuede October 20th, 2015 at 10:06
As I’ve noticed with you, there is an inability to read and understand something as simple as a poll. Americans across the country want something done about us being awash in guns. The polling was not done just in a “blue state.” It just so happens we have the most intelligent and best leaders and citizenry who are able to get more done in blue states. As the years go on, intelligent folks will make sure that gun control is done no matter what state it is in. Especially as the angry, white, old, men die off and the educated youth take their place. It will take a lot of good people from all the states to win the fight. This has been getting worse for decades, so it will take much longer for sensible, thinking folks to try to fix the problem. Being able to save our kids and our families from being slaughtered in schools and other public places is an American value, not a “blue state” value.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 12:52
What a pity for you that all the facts are against you. I have no fear of the ultimate outcome.
At one point back around 1994 I did fear that the blatant lying and fear-mongering of the anti-gunners could actually win and destroy the 2nd Amendment in America. But real world evidence has proven the opposite. The victories of the anti-gunners are at best temporary. And the trend towards ultimate victory for gun rights has been steady over the years.
What is odd is how the Democrats have tied the anchor of gun-control to their political fortunes. Ah well, at least the gun control crusade is good for something if it brings down the Democrats.
mistlesuede October 20th, 2015 at 13:23
Please go have relations with your gun and stop wasting everyone’s time. You haven’t got a clue.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 13:30
A clue?
Like how gun control nirvana California, has a much higher murder rate than Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Vermont, Maine, and Utah? Even though all those states have very light gun control laws?
That clue?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state
OldLefty October 20th, 2015 at 13:36
Because they have a much larger population.
Harvard School of Public Health Homicide
1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/us/report-links-high-rates-of-gun-violence-to-weak-laws.html
Study: More guns, more mass shootings in U.S.
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/09/11/study-sees-mass-shootings-exceptionally-american-problem-365260.html
More Police Are Killed in States With More Guns, Study Finds
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302749
Guns Don’t Deter Crime, Study Finds
http://www.livescience.com/51446-guns-do-not-deter-crime.html
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 14:24
“Because they have a much larger population.”
Good grief. You went to all the trouble of pasting all those links, without bothering to look at my link first? If you had you might have seen the murder rates I referred to were not total murders per state, but were murders per 100,000 people. Sheesh!
Do you actually ever look at the studies themselves? Or just rely upon the claims of convenient authorities?
OldLefty October 20th, 2015 at 14:38
I don’t think your links are meaningful.
And yes, I read them and I work in healthcare.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 14:41
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for removing that doubt.
Don’t you realize how dumb you now sound, when you brushed off the higher murder rate in California?
OldLefty October 20th, 2015 at 14:52
Don’t you realize how dumb you now sound.
_______
It’s mutual, I’m sure .
Especially when YOU brush off the higher murder rates in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana.
But perhaps calling people stupid will strengthen your argument.
tracey marie October 20th, 2015 at 15:14
You are using a link concerning death penalty v non death penalty and it is not exclusive to gun deaths. try again and this time do not be disingenuous and compare bullet to bullet not bullet to all deaths
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 15:22
“gun deaths”? So the only links you trust come from gun control advocacy groups? Okay then.
mistlesuede October 20th, 2015 at 13:42
So you’re one of those people who has sex at the same time they text or surf the web that I heard about on the news? LOLOL
Your gun is feeling neglected by this.
I’ll let you get back to it.
Obewon October 20th, 2015 at 01:55
All living Presidents supported Clinton42’s Assault Weapons Ban: Reagan, GHW Bush Sr, Ford, Carter. GHWB Sr famously resigned in protest from the NRA: I was outraged when, even in the wake of the Oklahoma City tragedy, Mr. Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of N.R.A., defended his attack on federal agents as “jack-booted thugs.” To attack Secret Service agents or A.T.F. people or any government law enforcement people as “wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms” wanting to “attack law abiding citizens” is a vicious slander on good people. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/11/us/letter-of-resignation-sent-by-bush-to-rifle-association.html
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 02:11
Golly, you left out Nixon, who wanted to ban handguns. Wonder why.
Your history is muddled, and inaccurate to the point. When the Democrats pushed the ‘Assault Weapon’ ban in 1994, it was pushed very much as a party line vote, and did not have any significant bi-partisan support. The fact is the Democratic Party push for gun control was a political catastrophe, despite public opinion polling much more favorable then, than the polling is today.
But hey, go ahead and grab that gun-control tar-baby. It worked out so well for you last time in the 2014 election catastrophe!
Obewon October 20th, 2015 at 02:33
You have no idea what you’re balking about: Saint Ronald Reagan helped Pass the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban! As the assault weapon ban vote neared, Reagan — who as president had signed 1986 legislation loosening restrictions on guns — wrote a letter with former Presidents Ford and Carter to the House of Representatives urging them to vote in favor of the ban.
“We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety,” the letter said.
“While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons,” the letter said concluding. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ronald-reagan-helped-pass-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban/
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 02:58
Did you know many pro-gun congressional Democrats voted for the Clinton/Feinstein ban in 1994? Including the Speaker of the House of Representatives? Do you know why?
Because Clinton needed every vote he could get to pass that awful law. And the only way he could get enough votes was by making it a party line issue.
Obewon October 20th, 2015 at 01:59
84% to 91% of NRA and gunowner households want Universal background checks on every weapon sold. “Which is why you lose.”
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 02:22
So why did the universal background check initiative referendum in Washington state, I-594, only pass with 60% of the vote, when the pro side outspent the opposition during the campaign by 10 to 1?
You are making a fatal error by assuming too much from opinion polls on gun control.
Obewon October 20th, 2015 at 02:28
You’re a gun addicted delusional-disorder paranoid. Get help. Factbased learn’n is likely too hard for you without treatment. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d959e2d2e39bc55e796bfa8d7a0646eee26da78ae9d013b0e9feb3e38f8c23f.jpg
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 02:42
So when confronted with facts you can not handle, you lash out. How predictable.
The gun control debate has gone on for decades now. The only times your side managed to move national policy in your direction your side’s tactics relied heavily on emotional appeals and big lies. But those tactics are proven losers in the long term.
And you are dragging down the Democratic Party with you. I wonder how long it will take for the Party to wise up and dump gun control.
Obewon October 20th, 2015 at 09:41
85% of all gun owners favor background checks on every gun sold e.g. 91% of Dems, 84% of the 23.9% remaining registered GOP voter share & 81% of independents half of whom vote for the Dems too. That leaves you in the teeny-tiny 12% of Americans!
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 11:33
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The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 16:26
Those numbers have been demonstrated false. If you look up the FBI expanded homicide table you can see that the math doesn’t work out for this.
OldLefty June 27th, 2016 at 16:36
It’s the accidents as well.
bpollen October 20th, 2015 at 06:01
You do know how polling works? They ask people what they think. You also have some awareness of how voting works? Now, here’s the thing you seem to miss – not everybody who has an opinion votes. So any discrepancy between polling results and voting results cannot be considered to be indicative of popularity without further information. For example, did equal proportions of pro-check and anti-check citizens vote? And did Washington state become the sole bellwether for the entire nation?
You confuse correlation with causation. A logical fallacy that seems to be a favorite of ammosexuals.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 06:44
Self thwarting bigot. Hilarious. Keep up the good work!
bpollen October 20th, 2015 at 06:47
Hey, if you happen to stumble into a fact, bring it. Otherwise, I get tired of childish tantrums.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 13:10
Since you are awfully slow, I’ll spell out why you are so funny. My position was that polls don’t reflect very well actual voting behavior.
So what did you do? How did you teach me a lesson? By going into detail how polls don’t reflect very well actual voting behavior.
Self thwarting bigot. Hilarious. Keep up the good work!
bpollen October 21st, 2015 at 04:25
“Self thwarting bigot”
You seem to really like that phrase… and I just bet you are proud as punch about it.
My point (typing really slow for your benefit) was that VOTING doesn’t have ANYTHING TO DO with polls. Which was a part of pointing out that your rebuttal for polls was indicative of nothing. Or, you rebuttal was NOT a rebuttal but a non-sequitur.
Now, should you have facts, bring them on, perrito. Otherwise, why would I bother conversing with a rather slow adolescent? .
gunsandrockets October 21st, 2015 at 06:34
With such rocket scientists like yourself championing the holy cause of gun control, how can you lose?
bpollen October 21st, 2015 at 06:37
Hay hechos, perrito.
tracey marie October 20th, 2015 at 11:56
ignorance in action^^^
OldLefty June 27th, 2016 at 16:39
We were told it was the healthcare.
Or don’t ask, don’t tell.
Actually, it’s usually that there is very low turnout in midterms, while the party who lost the White House is the most motivated to vote.
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ɥɐſloS October 20th, 2015 at 07:55
I just put a new quad rail handguard with front grip on mine. Cant wait for my custom decal skins. Silver and gray skulls. They have the flag decals but i just think that looks silly.
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 08:47
As soon as Hillary gives up her guns and her family gives up their guns
ill give up mine . Also the 50 guns that follow her around all day at our expense
Jodie October 20th, 2015 at 09:00
No one wants to ban guns. Gun control doesn’t automatically mean banning guns. It means putting measures in place to keep guns out of the wrong hands.
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 09:23
Gee thanks. Im informed now.. Have a look around Jodie. The moonbat left want guns BANNED because its guns that cause mass murders not the murderers
Obewon October 20th, 2015 at 09:46
Gee 9 comments and 2 upvotes illustrates your quandary.
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 11:28
oh boy UPVOTES.. Ill bet you count your likes on FB too lol moonbat
tracey marie October 20th, 2015 at 11:56
oh boy, a troll whining
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 15:49
90,001
Jodie October 20th, 2015 at 11:11
And it’s gun enthusiasts that don’t want to have to be inconvenienced AT ALL to buy a gun. They just want to go up to any store and leave with a gun 5 minutes later. Get a grip. No one wants your guns. We just want to keep them away from the wrong people.
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 11:19
I think everyone agrees we need more strict background checks but that wont change anything its absurd, Narcotics are 100% illegal and they own this country and we have been trying to stop the flow for almost a century. We cant even keep 88,000 people a year from dying of an alcohol related death. Guns are a political tool period. SKS and AK’s are not manufactured in this country . They are smuggled in just like coke..
Jodie October 20th, 2015 at 16:33
If these other countries can BAN guns successfully, I think there’s got to be a way to reduce the number that get into the wrong hands here in the US. We’re a first world country. We shouldn’t have mass shootings at the frequency that we do. Honestly, I think guns should be registered. We have to register our cars and to do so many other things. Why not guns? Hell, you have to have an inspection done on your car periodically to prove it’s safe on the road. Pharmacies keep track of certain meds. These are measures put in place for public safety. Why not put sensible measures in place for guns?
The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 16:19
The other countries have NOT successfully banned firearms. The Yakuza in Japan gets whatever they want while the rest of the civilian population faces virtual impossibility of getting firearms. The Japanese also have a suicide rate much higher than the USA and they do it very successfully without shooting themselves. In nearly every country the criminals still get firearms. In Australia the biker gangs are famous for their arsenals of firearms and the use of arson for mass killing has gotten very popular. You can have bolt action rifles in OZ and some of those can be operated just as fast as the “scary” semi-automatic rifles many of you are terrified of. So in the strict gun control “paradise” of France explain to me again how those terrorists got those illegal weapons and had a a fun time shooting the police and citizens like fish in a barrel because they were all unarmed but then some illegally armed drug dealers from South America stopped one? Even the strict gun “paradise” of the UK still allows its citizens in Northern Ireland to have handguns and other firearms as the “troubles” are still brewing under the surface.
The Swiss citizens keep fully automatic real “assault rifles” in their homes and have a great tradition of a shooting and marksmanship culture and how many terrorist attacks have happened there so far?
The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 16:10
We want to keep the “wrong people” away from fireams too by keeping criminals in jail and the severely mentally ill inside long term inpatient care but the loony left won’t allow that to happen anymore and somehow Obama thinks drug dealing isn’t a violent crime and he is early releasing thousands of these violent criminals back onto our streets again. We have had a HUGE decrease in violent crime/homicides since the 90’s as the number of guns purchased has skyrocketed along with the spread of concealed carry AND the strict sentences that were handed out to violent offenders which the left is now working to undo.
tracey marie October 20th, 2015 at 11:57
oh boy, the troll spews stupid again
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 15:45
Good job tracy marie. just run around calling people trolls because you dont like what they say,, Who’s the troll ?
whatthe46 October 20th, 2015 at 12:13
tell that to the stupids.
Jodie October 20th, 2015 at 16:27
I do try, but they won’t listen. They’re more worried about what marriage equality is “doing” to the nation than gun violence is on a daily basis.
The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 16:05
The vast majority of firearms homicides are criminals killing other criminals over drug deals etc. in places like Chicago and New Orleans etc. The total numer of gun homicides in this country really isn’t all that high when considered against other causes of death. In counries where they have imposed strict gun control the violence levels remian the same or even tick up and the only thing that changes is the tool used to do the killing. Really if you want to be good as mass killing you use explosives, arson, poison, chemical, biological or nuclear weapons etc. So I actually find it safely reassuring that any nut job or terrorist might think using a firearm is the best way to go about mass killing as at least then you have a fighting chance to shoot back, fight back or escape in some manner while in comparison once the bomb goes off, the fire explodes, the poison gas etc. goes off you just die with no chance to fight back.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 13:23
No one wants to ban guns? Oh really?
So you were against the handgun bans of Chicago and Washington D.C.?
You are against the bans of so-called “assault weapons” in many States and Cities?
All we see these days is praise for the gun confiscation policy of Australia coming from the lips of politicians who are pushing increased gun control. Including Obama. Including Hillary. It been going on since December of 2012. It’s not some slip of the tongue, some mistake.
Yet you claim “no one wants to ban guns”. Good grief!
OldLefty October 20th, 2015 at 13:35
1) Banning certain kinds of guns is not “banning guns”.
2) Scalia in Heller; “Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”
3) Guns are still legal in Australia with restrictions…they must be licensed and registered and the owner over 18.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 14:12
Do you realize how ridiculous your weaseling is? How totally unconvincing? This is why anti-gunners have gained a reputation as bald faced liars.
1)How does, no one wants to take your guns = we want to take most of your guns, including the most popular guns, most useful guns and most common guns?
2)Scalia was not aping the Colorado Supreme Court, when the Colorado Supreme Court nullified the Colorado right to keep and bear arms by claiming any gun control law was valid as long as it didn’t ban all guns.
3)Did you know that self-defense is no longer a legally valid reason for owning a firearm in Australia? Is that what you want for America?
No thanks.
OldLefty October 20th, 2015 at 14:37
– Do you realize how ridiculous your weaseling is? How totally unconvincing?
______
Thou dost project too much, Methinks.
Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.
This is why ammosexuals are called “gun nuts”.
– “How does, no one wants to take your guns = we want to take most of your guns”
________
It doesn’t. It means that we need common sense regulation and you don’t get to have anything you want, any where you want.
Scalia was saying “Like most rights,
the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and
carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever
purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the
Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and
the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive
places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing
conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms
3) Self defense IS valid in Oz if you need it.
Meanwhile, did YOU know that being part of a well regulated militia is not a pre-requisite for gun ownership and that any yahoo who can shoot himself in the foot and various other body parts can be packing?
That is not what I want for North America.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 15:07
You clearly aren’t worth wasting any more of my time on, but I will hammer one last point.
I won’t let you weasel out about Australia.
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=34324
Self-defense is not a legally acceptable reason for getting a permit for a firearm in Australia.
That doesn’t mean that self-defense is illegal in Australia. It does mean you can’t legally buy a firearm for self-defense in Australia.
OldLefty October 20th, 2015 at 15:23
You can if you can demonstrate the need.
Our friends in Sydney own a jewelry store, and they have a gun.
The Aussies approve of the law by over 60% and more think it doesn’t go far enough.
It comes under “Official, commercial or prescribed purpose or for a purpose authorised by an Act or Reg”
Their worry is who will defend you from those who THINK they are defending themselves?
The gun nuts are the ones I fear the the most.
I would rather see insurance be required for gun ownership.
Let the market decide.
sofarsogood October 20th, 2015 at 18:02
What is it, exactly, that you are so God-damned scared of? Have you ever had your house broken into? If so, did you scare ’em away with your guns or did they get stolen? Have you ever been attacked physically? Did your guns save you? Just what is it, really, that has got you so afraid to think rationally?
The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 15:59
My semi-automatic firearms have saved my life many times.
Jodie October 20th, 2015 at 16:25
Assault weapons should be banned. A simple gun for protection or rifles for hunting…That’s fine. But no one needs an automatic to defend their home. If they do, there’s bigger problems.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 17:07
Automatic? Do tell!
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 17:13
As I thought, you are one of those people who wants to ban guns and also says no one wants to ban guns.
You could have been more honest and said, no one wants to ban all guns. Or you could have said, some people want to ban some guns. But then that wouldn’t have the desired effect of conning gun owners into lowering their guard.
sofarsogood October 20th, 2015 at 17:39
You don’t seem to read very well.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 18:47
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Proposition_H_(2005)
No one wants to ban guns!
Jodie October 21st, 2015 at 10:15
I don’t want to ban guns in general. I don’t think it’s a bad idea to ban certain guns, though. If you need an automatic for protection, maybe you should consider moving.
gunsandrockets October 21st, 2015 at 11:09
Automatic? Do tell! What do you think that is?
The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 15:56
Most rifles and pistols today are semi-automatic. More people get killed with hands and feet than all types of rifles according to FBI Stats. More people also get killed with knives than all kinds of rifles. More people get killed with blunt objects (bats, hammers etc.) than all types of rifles. The “assault rifle” problem is a myth. Look up the FBI expanded homicide table.
fredoandme October 22nd, 2015 at 09:54
i do. i would love for all guns to be banned. don’t expect it, but i surely do want it.
Jodie October 22nd, 2015 at 10:22
Well, that won’t happen here. As long as we keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn’t have them, I’m all good.
fredoandme October 22nd, 2015 at 10:32
well. good luck with that as well. won’t happen as long as people continue to hedge about it.
Jodie October 22nd, 2015 at 10:37
I will say that I have friends that have been in England and Sweden all their lives, and they think America is crazy for how we act about guns. I wouldn’t mind them being banned, but I just know it will never happen, so I just stick to my stance on reasonable gun control measures.
fredoandme October 22nd, 2015 at 13:17
allowing weaponry and the manufacturers of weaponry and those addicted to weaponry to run rampant is not crazy. it’s obscene.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb63b2a311c9fd02abb1e47f1c4266400e4b57dfea18904a03e01259b82ac838.jpg
Jodie October 22nd, 2015 at 14:21
Well, let me clarify that they believe the American love affair with guns is crazy. I think so, too. Honestly, I’m not entirely sure I’d have even one in my home, especially if I had children. According to my friend in Sweden, pretty much only the police can have guns. You have to get special permits or something for hunting rifles. My friend in England said even hand guns are illegal there.
Jodie October 22nd, 2015 at 14:23
Also, I completely understand where you’re coming from, and again…I agree. A very good friend of mine was shot in the head and killed just for showing up at work early. He was in his early 20’s and had a little girl. He was also one of the sweetest people I’ve ever met.
fredoandme October 22nd, 2015 at 17:06
similar story (stories) here. i’m simply out of patience and mean no personal offense.
Jodie October 23rd, 2015 at 09:05
No, it’s ok! I took no offense.
William October 20th, 2015 at 10:00
Using the secret service as a diversion from the subject of the slaughter of our citizens is a bit of a stretch, even for ammosexuals. Don’t you agree?
Perhaps you would like to address the issue at hand?
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 11:26
IDK seems we aren’t addressing the 88,000 alcohol related deaths in this country and we damn sure cant control the drugs… Lead by example. What slaughters more substances that drive these nuts to kill or a gun ? The gun did it, cop out
William October 20th, 2015 at 12:05
First you want to talk about 50 secret service agents. (Actually I think the Clinton detail is less than a fifth of that), now you want to talk about booze? Why can’t you address the subject?
BTW, I own an SKS and it wasn’t smuggled in.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 14:46
I doubt you could tell an SKS from a bb gun.
William October 21st, 2015 at 10:56
and still yo refuse to address the issue.
No surprise.
gunsandrockets October 21st, 2015 at 11:34
Which of course is an absolutely false assertion by you.
No surprise.
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 15:39
Your SKS was imported moonbat. NONE are manufactured in the USA. Sorry everything else went over your head.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 14:48
Funny how all of those “para military” weapons have been piling up like crazy around the nation during the last twenty years, while at the same time the national murder rate fell by half.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 12:55
Quiet you peasant! Don’t you know guns are only for the protection of important people?
GiseleGasy October 20th, 2015 at 15:38
sht I forgot how important Hillary is to all the people. Its her god given right to be president ya know..
sofarsogood October 20th, 2015 at 17:37
Who do you imagine would take a pot shot at her, some liberal?
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 12:58
This is hilarious. At 9:56 PST I see an ad on this page for of all things “Front Sight Firearms Training Institute”!
Interesting ads that ‘Liberland’ runs, eh? Hey, I guess they gotta pay the bills somehow!
William October 20th, 2015 at 13:29
Actually ads are geared to the viewer based upon their browser activity.
I routinely get car ads (I’ve been shopping for a new car). My wife gets ads for fitness seminars (she’s a personal trainer). Welcome to the 21st century and targeted internet advertising.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 13:55
http://www.infolinks.com/support/getting-started/what-ad-products-does-infolinks-offer/
OldLefty October 20th, 2015 at 13:41
Are you sure it’s not just you?
…. What William said.
There is a funny story about a guy who was complaining about, “Why do I get so many ads for gay porn??”
Of course, the answer is, “Because you are always looking up gay porn sites”.
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 15:47
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/03/28/enforcement-light-colo-gun-restrictions/70616030/
So much for the myth that 40% of gun sales take place outside of retail businesses. From actual Colorado background check records it turns out the real number of gun sales between private parties is more like 5% of all gun sales.
cecilia October 20th, 2015 at 16:48
can we PLEASE keep guns out of the hands of VIOLENT people?
and so called “good citizens” who are too dumb to keep their guns locked up and out of their kids paws should have insurance. If they were forced to spend money on their assholery they might actually figure it was a good idea to keep the guns safely away from little hands
All the responsible gun owners I know keep their guns locked in a safe…NOT at the top of the fridge
sheesh!
gunsandrockets October 20th, 2015 at 19:00
gun control isn’t about keeping guns out of the hands of violent people. Gun control is about political power.
Gun control is about the rich and the powerful trying to disarm the weak and the powerless.
gun control is about throwing black single mom Shaneen Allen into prison for committing a victimless crime.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/22/shaneen-allen-race-and-gun-control/
BTW, I like your avatar.
cecilia October 20th, 2015 at 22:01
ok, I never use the term “gun control” unless I’m being specific like I just did in my above post.
I may not personally be interested in owning guns, but i don’t care if other ADULTS do.
and my AV is a frame from an effects shot I created for the HBO series “From the Earth to the Moon”. Thanks
gunsandrockets October 21st, 2015 at 05:23
That was a great series.
cecilia October 21st, 2015 at 10:48
Indeed it is and I’m proud to have been involved with it. One of the highlights of my career
gunsandrockets October 21st, 2015 at 06:45
The shame is, people of good will, who want to do the right thing about the problems of criminal violence in America are being callously exploited to promote the ill will and destructive results of the gun control crusade.
Gun control politics today is primarily a system of cultural signaling and othering. Like the charming folks here who love tossing around the term “ammosexual”.
cecilia October 21st, 2015 at 10:48
Yes, many politicians love to pander. it’s sickening
however, in my opinion there’s a HUGE difference between the people I know who own guns (responsibly) and the loons who think it’s ok to carry some giant machine gun strapped to their back as they stroll around Walmart. They think they are Sooooo cool with their penis substitute. Sorry, but not only do they look moronic, I don’t feel safe near them and if I was with my 94 year old mother I’d grab her (gently) and get the HELL out of the area. (I also never go to Walmart , but that’s another issue)
I get nervous when I see cops coming into Panera to grab a lunch (while we are eating there) because I know they are packing but at LEAST they are trained and it’s unlikely they will draw their guns for the fun of it.
How the heck can you tell the difference between a “good” guy with a gun and a nut case with a gun? I’ve got really great Street Smarts (certified New Yorker, here) and my Smarts tell me to avoid Everyone with a gun. Especially strangers.
gunsandrockets October 21st, 2015 at 11:21
I won’t begrudge your fears.
I do want to point out just how controversial open carry protesters are even among the pro-gun community. I think the worst aspects of open carry protests would fade away, were it not for the white hot politics surrounding gun control.
I also would like to point out just how commonly people legally carry weapons outside the home, though you would never know it since they carry concealed. There are 25 times more private citizens legally licensed to carry a concealed handgun then there are police in the United States.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2629704
Abstract:
Since President Obama’s election the number of concealed handgun permits has soared, growing from 4.6 million in 2007 to over 12.8 million this year. Among the findings in our report:
— The number of concealed handgun permits is increasing at an ever- increasing rate. Over the past year, 1.7 million additional new permits have been issued – a 15.4% increase in just one single year. This is the largest ever single-year increase in the number of concealed handgun permits.
— 5.2% of the total adult population has a permit.
— Five states now have more than 10% of their adult population with concealed handgun permits.
— In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry in all or virtually all of the state. This is a major reason why legal carrying handguns is growing so much faster than the number of permits.
— Since 2007, permits for women has increased by 270% and for men by 156%.
— Some evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.
— Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 (preliminary estimates) per 100,000. This represents a 25% drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 156%. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent over that period of time.
— States with the largest increase in permits have seen the largest relative drops in murder rates.
— Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors or felonies at one-sixth the rate that police officers are convicted.
cecilia October 21st, 2015 at 18:20
Oh, I’m perfectly aware that there’s lot’s of concealed gun carriers. Some of my friends are retired cops. Of course they still have their guns. And I know for a fact that they sometimes carry.
MY point is that I have never seen their guns. They don’t wave them around. They aren’t the weirdos who walk around with guns in order to “Look Tough” or “Cool”.
Another friend of mine is a member of The Pink Pistols. As gay people are often the targets of idiotic bigotry I see no problem with my good friend being able to defend himself – plus that group has training in the use of guns.
I don’t worry overly about trained and reasonable people carrying a lethal weapon.
It’s the goofballs I worry about. They think guns are toys. Guns and cars are NOT toys. One should treat both with extreme respect.
And I am aware that gun ownership has increased in the last seven years. I suspect I know why. As long as it’s responsible citizens I’ll be ok with that.
While I personally don’t see the point of having guns I’m a live and let live kind of person. I don’t like dictating to others on personal matters because I know how irritating it is when some jackass thinks he can tell ME how to live my daily life.
I don’t see anything wrong with being required to take training and pass a test, get a background check, etc to own a gun. You have to do similar to get a car.
And like owning a car, maybe getting insurance when you own gun(s) might be a good idea.
The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 15:47
Ok so on the one hand you want people to keep their guns locked up in a safe when they are home but if they are traveling with them in their car to go hunting, target shooting etc. isn’t it safer for them to carry them than leave them in the car and risk them being stolen? Most firearms that have been stolen from people in my experience had them stolen from their cars. You might need to go enlist for a time in the National Guard or even go active duty for awhile and you can get over all your fear of people having firearms around you as there will be thousands of people with firearms around you all the time and you even will get to sleep with it, eat with it, march with it and clean it over and over. Sometimes you even get to shoot it but not as often as you would like. New York Police are pretty famous for their poor accuracy which isn’t helped by their stupid mandated super heavy trigger pulls so I would be concerned with any of them that had their pistols out as they just never seem to be very accurate and typically seem to shoot way more bullets than most other departments and often seem to hit innocent bystanders. I trust police that had prior military training but regular police marksmanship I’m not so trusting of in Blue states that are gun unfriendly. Nobody should be drawing their guns for “fun” unless it is at the range and they are drawing to shoot at their targets. The Swiss carry their rifles on public transport and on bicycles all the time so it’s all about instilling a culture of gun safety and firearms training from young age. It should me mandatory marksmanship, field stripping and safety training at all elementary and high schools to instill knowledge, respect and education about firearms as that is the best protection rather than hiding things away as ignorance will kill.
cecilia June 27th, 2016 at 19:04
the Swiss are required to get LOTS of training and bullets are not kept in the same location as guns.
I very much believe in education and training no matter what you are using. Gun, car, construction, computer programming…..etc
What we often hear in the news is that violent, mentally unstable people have WAY to easy access to guns.
This society has to take seriously mental health care. We have to have a federal list available to every state, gun shop, gun convention, etc because we can’t allow VIOLENT, crazy people to buy a gun any time they feel like it.
I’m not “afraid” of guns. I’m concerned that as a society we aren’t dealing with problems in a efficient and effective manner.
Ann Morgan June 28th, 2016 at 01:04
Cecilia, the main problems I have with proposed ‘mental health’ restrictions on gun ownership are this:
1. It discourages certain people from getting help for mental health problems. For instance, under some proposed laws, let us say a man is depressed after his wife dies. If he seeks help from a therapist for his depression, he is now classified as having a ‘mental health’ problem and would lose his right to own guns, even if he is not likely to be violent.
2. I’m very suspicious as to who does the defining. It’s more than likely that the government would eventually define a politically unpopular belief, or even the mere desire to own a gun as a ‘mental health’ problem.
3. There are people who have mental health problems due to abuse as a child. I think it unfair to deny them their rights, based on what they MIGHT do, because of abuse they suffered that was not their fault. Not all people with mental health problems are violent. And not all ‘sane’ people are non-violent. In fact, depending on the ‘mental health’ problem in question, you could make a case that it is SANE people who ought to be denied guns. Certainly, nuerotypicals tend to be far more violent than those with mild autism. I mean, just look at the neurotypicals. They are utterly incapable of leaving other people the hell alone, and are fanatically obsessed with details of other people’s lives such as their religion and sexual orientation.
cecilia June 28th, 2016 at 11:07
yes, I see your points.
I’m not claiming this is an easy solution to an incredibly complex problem. We just HAVE to begin doing something now.
First of all there’s way too much needless shame in admitting a psychological difficulty. Feeling “broken” is so 19th century and society in general has grow up. People with mental problems are not “Evil” or the enemy. They just have a problem that has to be solved in some way.
I don’t hate people with epilepsy. But in some cases they aren’t allowed to drive a car because it could lead to destruction and death. (I actually drove a person with epilepsy around to her errands because she had just moved to a new city. I didn’t think of her as “broken”. She just needed some help for a while.)
I do agree that the defining characteristic for being denied access to guns is VIOLENCE. I try to always include that term when I mention “mental illness” because I’m very aware that most people with some”mental” issues are hardly a danger to anyone.
Frankly, we have a great deal of work to do here. This is immensely complicated. All I am calling for is to stop ignoring this complexity and Get To Work.
Ann Morgan June 29th, 2016 at 01:34
Cecilia: There is an important difference between epilepsy and mental illness. Epilepsy is not something that is commonly caused (to my knowledge) by the actions of other people. Mental illness very often can be. It seems extremely unfair to me to take a child, subject them to years of abuse by their parents or peers, then as an adult tell them: “Well, we are (sob sob sob) sorry about what happened to you as a child, but now you might possibly be violent, so sorry, your former abusers get their right to keep and bear arms but you don’t.”
Unless you are willing to radically restructure society to prevent abuse, and by this I mean you would have to be willing to put 8 year old bullies in prison for several years for assault or sexual abuse, punishing the victims for becoming mentally ill and something they MIGHT do is not fair. Then you would also have to further explain why there should be special pleading for nuerotypicals who, although sane, are more prone to violence than a lot of people with mild autistic disorders. Why do neurotypicals get a pass, just because they are in the majority?
cecilia June 29th, 2016 at 21:39
I’m not comparing epilepsy directly with mental illness, just that in the case of one, society saw a potential problem and addressed it.
I have no answers – I just insist society start a conversation. This problem has gone on too long with nothing done.
btw, I tend to find using the police as very much a last resort. I’m not interesting in arresting everybody.
Just look at the ‘war on drugs’ as a perfect example of idiotic waste of resources that not only did NOT solve anything but made things way worse. Addiction is a medical problem. NOT a legal issues.
VIOLENT behavior first has to be examined carefully to figure out what the various causes are. And putting people in “crazy houses” isn’t a solution either (in case you happen to read someone suggesting it). That and prisons just warehouse people, it doesn’t solve the problems.
Just as prisons just punish people and that makes things worse, we have to find better solutions that are more humane.
Ann Morgan July 1st, 2016 at 00:37
Well, here are some thoughts.
1. Our society is based on the concept ‘innocent until proven guilty’. That would seem to proscribe denying people their rights based on what they ‘might do’.
2. IMHO, part of the price to pay for engaging in, encouraging, or tolerating the systematic abuse of children could be that the perpetrators ought to have to worry about the possibility of that child going berserk with a gun as an adult. Why should the victim be punished and the abusers be protected from the consequences of their actions?
The Goat June 27th, 2016 at 15:34
You think kids can’t get into a safe? You must have really dumb kids as smart kids can find a way into nearly anything so that’s why you have to also educate them to respect and understand the power and danger firearms present and to ALWAYS treat all firearms like they are loaded.
whatthe46 June 27th, 2016 at 16:29
You know how many so called “responsible” gun owners have killed loved ones or themselves by not treating a gun as if it’s loaded? Too damn many. And if you have a gun safe and put away there’s no reason for a child to know where it is. And a gun on top a fridge is an invite for children.
cecilia June 27th, 2016 at 18:58
if your kids can get into your safe, you picked the wrong safe. And you didn’t put it in the right place because they really shouldn’t even know you HAVE a safe..
and you don’t need to tell me ‘kids can get into things…’ because I was a kid. I also knew I wasn’t allowed to touch certain things in the house because I would get my head handed to me. So, I didn’t.
seriously, don’t people know how to bring up children anymore?
mcalleyboy October 21st, 2015 at 22:38
Poll, who’s poll and who follows polls a pollock. Please… stop it, Americans are for self-protection because the other option of hiding under the table, playing dead or explaining that you have a family and kids won’t work, neither will sticking up your dukes, grabbing a frying pan or baseball bats when faced with a gun. If you spend as much time on your life by protecting it as you do your fancy overpriced vehicle, you’d have a least a fighting chance because there’s no second chance.
maggie October 21st, 2015 at 23:15
you can pay for the bloody cleanup mcall…..
whatthe46 October 21st, 2015 at 23:35
he probably pays his mother for wiping his sorry ass.
tracey marie October 21st, 2015 at 23:19
what do you know about Americans, you have not lived in the states for a long time…me thinks you are just a bored and pathetic troll.
whatthe46 October 21st, 2015 at 23:34
me thinks he’s a liar. an all around liar.
mcalleyboy October 22nd, 2015 at 08:43
Could be but hey … protecting one’s life with a weapon, just call me crazy or call me later.