Palmer: Why Boehner Just Handed The White House To Hillary Clinton
With John Boehner’s resignation, a more Tea Party-friendly speaker and congress is likely, and that will alienate enough voters to keep the White House Democratic. Bill Palmer at Daily News Bin:
Boehner was…the only old-school republican left with any influence, and the only thing keeping the rest of the party from setting itself on fire. His departure means that the long brewing battle for the soul of the party is now over: the republican party now is the tea party. And that’s going to leave the people in the middle with only one place to go…
Moderate and undecided voters tend to ignore ideology and instead vote for whichever party has the appearance of propriety or whichever candidate has the appearance of class. With the republican party about to fall entirely into the hands of tea party extremists who care less about the future of the party than they do about carrying out their faux-revolution in the form of holding office and refusing to govern, those who weren’t sure who to vote for in 2016 are now about have the answer handed to them emphatically.
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Budda September 26th, 2015 at 10:07
That may be the only up side to his resignation.
rg9rts September 26th, 2015 at 12:41
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Hirightnow September 26th, 2015 at 11:35
On the Orlando Sentinel website, a few regular commenters were spamming the forum with “Oh, look out now, Dems”, “Now we’ll really see some action”, and “This was JUST what the DemoRATS were afraid of!!1!”…
Just curious; should one archive such a page for future use, or will a simple “told you so” be more appropriate in 2016?
Jack E Raynbeau September 26th, 2015 at 12:55
Archive is the way to go. I just found this gem today:
pouzy94 Matthew Berry 4 days ago
As a whole, we can reproduce, gays can’t. We can provide a mom and a dad, but gays can’t. We can have sex that both partners enjoy, but gays cannot (anal sex is only fun for one person, although disgusting).
Hirightnow September 26th, 2015 at 13:39
Makes you wonder how that poster knew about teh anal…
Must have read about it on CNS…yeah. CNS.
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The Original Just Me September 26th, 2015 at 11:45
On Oct. 30, what is left of the original Republican party will DIE. The Militant Tea Party will take over on that date. Please remember how the NAZI Party of Germany took over the National Parliament of Germany and Hitler then came to full power. The very same thing is happening here and now.
Hirightnow September 26th, 2015 at 11:50
If it means that the term “Republican” will become the new term for “fascism”, in the same way “Socialism” did after Hitler, there will at least be that bright spot.
mea_mark September 26th, 2015 at 12:20
Like it doesn’t already?
The Original Just Me September 27th, 2015 at 05:02
Sadly, Socialism in it’s true and honest form is a very good thing and is a economic system, used by almost every form of government. Fascism, in it’s simplest definition is nothing more than extreme political views and actions. Republicanism is rapidly being turned into Fascism. We need BOTH political view points and parties in order to maintain an even balance. Sadly, the Right Wing faction in the U.S.. is being taken over by an Old Enemy of all things that maintain a Good, Even, and Level lifestyle.
Gina Bousquet September 26th, 2015 at 21:29
Please avoid mixing different historical periods. I don’t believe there’s a chance a strong Democracy like the American one has any chance of turning into a right-wing dictatorship like Germany under Hitler. Even the socio-economic conditions in Germany before Hitler’s ascension greatly differ from the US scenario.
The Original Just Me September 27th, 2015 at 04:53
Just in my opinion based on several years of observation and research, the social-economic conditions in the past 15 years in the U.S. and those in Germany from the 1920’s through the early 1940’s are exactly the same. The actions, objectives, direction, and use of Propaganda, by the two extreme Right Wing political groups, Republicans and NAZI, are exactly the same. These are also true in every country that was a member of the WWII Allied Forces. Right Wing Hate Groups have surfaced in several different forms in the U.S. and other Allied countries, since WW II. The Tea Party is only the latest and so far the strongest. Just Beware and on guard.
Gina Bousquet September 27th, 2015 at 14:27
Hyperinflation and unemployment were staggering. Reichmarks, the German currency was so devalued that it took wheelbarrows full of money to buy basic items, like a loaf of bread… That doesn’t come close to the US scenario, fortunately.
mea_mark September 26th, 2015 at 12:19
I bet this hurts Gop campaign donations. Who really wants to donate to something with a fork stuck in it? This is a pretty clear sign that the Gop is dying.
rg9rts September 26th, 2015 at 12:40
The real question will be how much damage will the wing nuts do to the nation
mea_mark September 26th, 2015 at 12:47
After January 2017 their influence will be greatly reduced. Let’s just hope we can mitigate the damage between now and then.
AmethystTear September 29th, 2015 at 21:28
Honestly, I am not sure it will. You do realize that they see this as a good thing because they think Boehner was a RINO and should be out. They want all the other RINOs to follow. To a lot of the right, Boehner was just a Democrat in sheep’s clothing..
mea_mark September 30th, 2015 at 09:07
Big business doesn’t like instability and unpredictability. The far-right T-baggers make things unstable and unpredictable. Big business won’t make big contributions, and that is where a lot of conservative campaign dollars come from.
AmethystTear September 30th, 2015 at 10:39
That is an interesting point. Funding definitely is a separate issue from voters. The voters seem okay with it (although I personally have friends and family who are Republicans who also feel the far right is ridiculous and are frustrated with their detrimental effects on the party) but if business withdrawal from financial support that can be a huge problem as well.
rg9rts September 26th, 2015 at 12:38
The Daily News Bin leaves a lot to be desired in the credibility department
AmethystTear September 26th, 2015 at 13:14
Honestly, I’m at the point where both parties have serious, serious issues. I can’t get behind either side anymore. So basically, I’m looking at all the candidates and see who will do the least damage. If it’s a democrat, so be it. If it’s a Republican, so be it.
Stan Ubeki September 26th, 2015 at 22:04
Cop out, you’re ill informed. Lame excuse for not being able to keep up.
AmethystTear September 26th, 2015 at 22:09
Actually, realizing that both sides have issues shows that I’m actually very informed. Many candidates have some great points but a lot of them have serious flaws as well. It’s usually the people who are intellectually lazy that are most comfortable with blindly choosing a side and following it.
whatthe46 September 26th, 2015 at 22:16
example.
AmethystTear September 26th, 2015 at 22:30
I don’t like Hilary Clinton due to her criminal behavior. I like a lot of things about Bernie Sanders but feel his foreign policy at this time is under developed and feel his immigration policy is a bit too wide open. I also would like to see a lot more information on how he plans on implementing his financial policies. I can’t stand Trump and really can’t see anything redeeming about him although I didn’t think his gun policy was that bad. Not perfect, but not terrible. It’s still very early in the election and so I am keeping an eye on all the candidates but chances are no matter who I vote for, I will not be completely happy with them as a candidate. To me it’s intellectually lazy to just throw in the towel and vote the same party no matter what.
Stan Ubeki September 26th, 2015 at 22:37
What crime has Hillary Clinton been charged with, convicted of, and served a sentence for? You’re a stupid wreck. Shut up and stay off the internet.
AmethystTear September 26th, 2015 at 22:43
Nothing yet, but she hasn’t exhibited the qualities I want in a president. I think its clear she’s a dishonest person with a pretty questionable record. Bernie on the other hand I really like. He’s consistent, honest and doesn’t play dirty. He’s definitely towards the top of my list. I have my concerns about him but I still think there is a lot to like about him. I have the right to share my views just like anyone else. The person asked me, I shared my beliefs. I’ve seen some of your other posts and I actually agree with you on a lot of your stands. There is no reason to be disrespectful.
whatthe46 September 26th, 2015 at 22:51
“I don’t like Hilary Clinton due to her criminal behavior.” i asked what criminal behavior. you: “Nothing yet, but she hasn’t exhibited the qualities I want in a president.” you’ve made up your mind based on a lie you stated and then sorta retracted. you have the right to share your views, but, when you make statements like that with nothing to back it up, epecially when it isn’t true, then say, nothing yet, sounds quite stupid. it makes no sense. it’s just like listening to fox lies. say shit without being able to back it up, and when confronted with the lie, they will say, well, well —-> look over there.
tracey marie September 26th, 2015 at 23:18
So, as a typical rwinger, you lied. When you lie you lose, period.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 00:10
Criminal behavior is not the same thing as being charged, convicted of and served a sentence for. OJ Simpson was never charged, convicted of and served a sentence for murdering Nicole Simpson. Still, I certainly wouldn’t want to date the guy. I definitely think there is enough evidence currently to feel confident that Hilary at the very least is dishonest but probably much more than that. It has been proven she has lied about the emails, she has been evasive and dishonest. She probably never will be convicted of anything but that doesn’t mean she’s great president material.. I still find I do not want someone who has disregarded her duties in the position. I find it completely laughable you would think I’m a right winger. Not even close. There is no right winger on earth who would even consider Bernie Sanders as president. I also wouldn’t rule out Biden either. I find it fascinating you guys are ready to skewer me on the simple fact I don’t like Hilary Clinton based on the fact she’s already been proven to lie and those lies are criminal in nature.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 00:24
what duties did she disregard, the emails? there was no law in place at the time she was held her position. that law did not come into effect until 2 yrs after she left. thus, no criminal behavior period. the candidates on the GOPissers side, have done that and then some. but, you won’t hear about it on that lying network you frequent. i don’t like the fact that you are basing your arguement against her on false information. how many investigations does it take to get it through your thick skull that she broke no law. what did she lie about. you keep repeating the same old rethoric which proves you ignore the truth. if you actually think about it, other than “emails” which again is nothing to discuss anymore, whatelse is there? doesn’t it even enter your brain that this is the only subject with which they used in an attempt to discredit her. beyond that NOTHING! prove where she lied.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 00:38
It sounds to me like the investigation isn’t done yet. I don’t depend on Fox for news at all. The fact is even the more liberal stations are starting to realize there is probably more to the Clinton concerns that originally thought. She was asked to provide the emails and she’s done everything she can not to do so and they are finding emails that she did not give over. Reported by CNN not Fox. The fact GOP has done the same thing doesn’t make it any better. Which is why I made the original statement that both sides have issues. And yes, I debate with people over at Chicks on the Right. I had been looking for a good liberal site to discuss things on as well but clearly I haven’t found it yet. I like seeing a lot of different points of view and considering my whole life is filled with the more liberal point of view due to my work, I like getting other points of view from the conservative side.
Also, I’ve read all of Bernie Sanders web site and his stands on many different issues. I like a lot of what he’s said but there are some things that give me pause. So I highly doubt I can be considered a low info voter unless low info somehow means “don’t agree with you”.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 00:48
“The State Department and DOJ have already made clear that Clinton violated no laws or policies and did nothing wrong, and now the FBI is declining to be dragged into the partisan fray. The result: a leading republican in congress is now openly attacking the FBI.”
http://www.alan.com/2015/09/22/fbi-shuts-down-gop-hillary-email-investigation-effort/
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 00:51
you’re getting points of view regarding clinton from conservs? and you expect you’ll get the truth? the same side that says Obama is not an American citizen. the same side that says Obama is a muslim. the same side that will lie about PP even when a lie has been exposed they will continue to run with that. why on earth would you believe you would get the truth?
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 00:59
Do you consider CNN republican? I never have. I like hearing what the other side says. If you have looked at my history (which it seems like you have) its not like my conversations over there have been ones of complete agreement on a lot of issues by any means. There are people who make good points and I acknowledge those but I tend to disagree more on the more conservative sites than agree. There are people on some of those sites though I like and respect. There are also some that are trolls and very disagreeable. Which I’m finding is pretty much the case on any political web site. I try not to attack people on a personal level by insulting their intelligence are calling them names and as long as the people I’m talking too do the same, I’m more than willing to discuss things. I also am willing to admit when someone has made a good point.
Regarding your points about the republican side of thing, yes there are conservatives who believe those things but there are also many who don’t. The fact is people on both sides are sane for the most part but the extremes on both sides make getting anything done hard for everybody.
William September 27th, 2015 at 01:27
Criminal behavior is not the same thing as being charged, convicted of and served a sentence for. OJ Simpson was never charged, convicted of and served a sentence for murdering Nicole Simpson.
Are you stupid?
OJ WAS charged. Remember? There was a trial?
He was not convicted in a criminal hearing, but convicted in a civil trial.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:35
i didn’t even touch it William. made no sense.
William September 27th, 2015 at 01:39
Seriously. There are people running around calling Hilary a criminal with no evidence, no case, not even a hint of suspicion. It boggles the imagination. And when someone asks “what criminal behavior” the response is…
“Nothing yet”.
I’m flabbergasted.
Hey AmethystTear
I don’t think you should be posting on this web site because you beat children and rob liquor stores.
What proof do I have…well.
nothing yet.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:42
perfectly said. i don’t get it either. he also said, after sending him the article posted here on Alan, well, ‘if they find nothing…” even after reading it, there’s still that “if” and it’s irritating.
William September 27th, 2015 at 01:45
Obviously Fox fed. Astounding. I think I’d rather be in a grave than wander through life that ignorant.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:49
laughing.
William September 27th, 2015 at 01:40
“fact I don’t like Hilary Clinton based on the fact she’s already been proven to lie and those lies are criminal in nature.”
What lies?
List?
Stan Ubeki September 27th, 2015 at 10:54
He was replying to AmethystTear’s lie about Hillary being a criminal.
tracey marie September 27th, 2015 at 10:57
You lied, it is that simple.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 11:03
We’ll have to agree to disagree. So far I haven’t really found much you’ve said worth continuing the conversation with you. I realize you can’t hit it off with everyone. Clearly you agree with that sentiment. Have a good day though.
William September 27th, 2015 at 11:12
“So far I haven’t really found much you’ve said worth continuing the conversation with you.”
:Translation. I’ve been caught lying my ass off, and I can’t prove any of my assertions, so I’ll bail out now.
Right wing trolls…so predictable.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 11:19
So are the left. Luckily I’m not either. Have a good day William.
tracey marie September 27th, 2015 at 11:14
you lied, period.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:36
You must be getting paid pretty well for staying on here and arguing with the folks.
whatthe46 September 28th, 2015 at 22:44
while making no sense.
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 22:55
While we haven’t seen eye to eye on this thread, you’ve up voted me on many things I’ve said on other articles. Did you not realize that was me? (I’m a woman by the way)
whatthe46 September 28th, 2015 at 23:11
when you’ve not talked stupid yes. i know who i’ve upvoted. and the fact that you admit you’re a WOMAN and indicisive about either party is quite frightening. especially if you’re raising girls. if you’re not aware, the GOPisser’s don’t care much for womens rights.
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 23:29
To me, there is a difference between not feeling satisfied with either party and being certain on the issues. I know exactly where I stand on most of the issues and one of those is definitely women’s rights and I’ve had many debates around this topic. Personally, I am pro-life as far as the decisions I have made and would make in my own life but politically I am pro-choice. I have the right to make my choices and every woman should have the right to make their own choices. They’ve investigated PP, have found no wrong doing so I don’t think defunding them is justified.
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 22:56
By who?
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:35
Good call
whatthe46 September 28th, 2015 at 22:59
he’s getting on my nerves. i quit. you play with it.
The Original Just Me September 29th, 2015 at 00:03
I’d like to play with it but I’m too far away. Okay, I know, I’m Bad. But you did smile for a minute.
whatthe46 September 29th, 2015 at 00:09
yes you did.
whatthe46 September 29th, 2015 at 00:09
make me smile.
The Original Just Me September 29th, 2015 at 00:14
I’d like to but I’m too far away. But there is always kind words.
whatthe46 September 29th, 2015 at 00:25
as always, that does the trick.
The Original Just Me September 29th, 2015 at 00:38
I’m satisfied to be helpful. Any time.
whatthe46 September 26th, 2015 at 22:38
explain what criminal behavior you’re talking about. when was she ever charged for a criminal act? the fact that there was never any charges and that’s what you’re basing your ideas on is pathetic. and the fact that you obviously know nothing about Sanders isn’t shocking at all. now, the clear fact that you even mention someone like tRump as a talking point outside of saying something as obvious as “i don’t know what the hell he’s doing running” and leave it at that suggest you clearly have not been paying attention to jack shit. you are intellectually handicapped.
tracey marie September 26th, 2015 at 23:17
Because of all those candidates on the right, evangelicals, liars, morons and worse. Hillary has done nothing criminal so we know what you are, low info.
William September 27th, 2015 at 01:21
What crimes has Hilary been convicted of, or even indicted for? Had you been keeping up you would have noticed that the FBI recently came to the same conclusion regarding the e mails as the last SEVEN Benghazi investigations.
Nadda, nothing, zip, zero.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 09:12
You don’t like Hilary due to her criminal behavior. WHAT ! criminal behavior???? That statement of you’re proves beyond any doubt that you are a Tea Party Republican TROLL .
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 09:48
Sounds like your guilty of what many are accusing me of. Basing your opinion off very little evidence. I’m not even close to that. Not liking one democrat candidate out of three doesn’t make me a Tea Party Republican troll.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 10:14
It is not the dislike of one candidate over another. It is the CHARGE of Criminal Activity of some one who has never, ever been formally Charged, Tried, or Convicted of ANYTHING. You talk of little evidence. There is NO proven, factual, evidence of ANY criminal activity on her part and never has been. Hilary has been under the Republican Troll Spotlight for many years and ALL KINDS of accusations have been leveled against her. BUT, NOT ONE has EVER PROVEN TRUE or ACCURATE. Again, Republican Troll by your own false comments. Give your facts and evidence of her criminal activity so she may be tried in a TRUE COURT of LAW and not just by NAZI Propaganda. .
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 11:57
Well if you looked further down the line, another person supplied an article saying the investigation is concluded. So I agree she has not been found to engage in criminal activity. I still think there are ethical concerns about how she carried out her duties. I personally don’t trust her. Like Sanders and Biden though! So while I didn’t hear the latest (I have family, a job, a life) it certainly doesn’t make me a tea party supporter. I’ve seen other posts by you and we agree on many things so I will see you on another post:)
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:34
Get off from your Tea Party/Republican Soap Box and come out into the light Troll.
Stan Ubeki September 26th, 2015 at 22:19
If you cannot clearly see where to put your support, then you’re unable to process information. You’re confused, or giving up. You’re not well informed, despite your twisted logic to make yourself comfortable with your cop out.
AmethystTear September 26th, 2015 at 22:27
I know exactly where I stand on issues and there is no candidate that matches where I am on all the issues so if there is no candidate who matches my beliefs then obviously I have to make the best of what I have been given.
bpollen September 26th, 2015 at 23:06
That puts you amongst the MANY MANY people who make the best choice out of the ones available. Since that is pretty much what ANY election is.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:32
If no one matches any of your ideals or beliefs, what are you commenting on ?
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:30
Do you notice that Ame does not recommend any candidate on either side, yet professes to look for the best of either candidates. . Hummmmm ?
whatthe46 September 28th, 2015 at 22:39
yeah, i’ve noticed that.
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 22:48
Well considering we still have quite a bit of time I haven’t made a decision yet. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. I’ve ruled a bunch out if you would like a list. In my opinion it’s a little early. I can say on the democrat side I like Sanders the best. I’d say out of all the candidates if I had to vote right this second that is who I would vote for. Not without some reservations, but he’s my favorite right now.
whatthe46 September 28th, 2015 at 22:57
you’re full of bat guano.
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 23:34
So I answered the assertion Original made about not recommending a candidate, I said that I thought it was early but I like Sanders right now and you say I’m full of bat guano. It’s obvious I can’t win with you. It’s pretty clear no matter what my answer would have been you wouldn’t have been satisfied.
whatthe46 September 28th, 2015 at 23:46
not when you talk crazy. it drives me nuts.
AmethystTear September 29th, 2015 at 00:11
What was actually crazy about what I said? Was it the part that it was too early? The fact I like Sanders? I guess I’m trying to figure out what was bat guano about what I said.
I’m wondering a bit about your motivation. In this conversation with me what are you trying to accomplish? The original issue you and I had on this thread was Clinton and criminal behavior. I conceded your point that she has not been charged with anything but still brought up ethical concerns about her as a candidate. You got your point across and I stated that I hadn’t seen that and admitted you were right. Are you mad because even though she hasn’t been charged with criminal behavior I still don’t think she’s the best candidate?
On here, even though I mostly agree with you guys on most of the issues, I’ve been treated with far more disrespect than I have on the conservative web sites which is supposed to be enemy territory. Heck, I disagree with them pretty much all the time but haven’t been treated nearly as bad there as I have here. If you disagree with me that is fine! If you think I’m wrong then you can do what you did and put up an article. In fact, in my conversations with “the enemy” I’ve stated that most liberals are open minded and willing to discuss things. Yet, I’ve been here two days on Liberaland and have been called many more names and had my character attacked numerous times for saying things not nearly as controversial as the things I’ve said elsewhere. Honestly, I can’t say I’m upset but I am a little surprised how quickly the majority on here proved them right.
For a party that is supposed to be built around tolerance this group is probably one of the most intolerant I’ve encountered. Have a good night everyone.
whatthe46 September 29th, 2015 at 00:25
“I conceded your point that she has not been charged with anything but still brought up ethical concerns about her as a candidate.” what ethical concerns as a candidate do you have? lets start there? (if you’re feeling the Bern, great, i have no issue with that really)
AmethystTear September 29th, 2015 at 01:19
I personally don’t feel it was okay to have a separate email account as Secretary of State. I think it was exercising poor judgement (which she even acknowledged in an interview). Even in my own job which isn’t near as high level as hers, it would not be okay to do work related emails over a separate account. Some of these were confidential communications that were not properly safeguarded. As Secretary of State, she should have known better and to me indicates at the very least a casual attitude towards her responsibilities. Responsibilities that are pretty important.
Quote of article from CNN:
On Sunday, Clinton again acknowledged that using a personal email address on a private server in her New York home to conduct business as America’s top diplomat during President Barack Obama’s first term “was a mistake back when I did it, and I’m trying to answer all questions people have.”
Are you trying to tell me she didn’t know then that it could be an issue? Also, her flippant attitude about the situation wasn’t very professional either.
Is this enough to not vote for her? Depends on how the rest of the election goes and what comes out. The criminal investigation is over and she came out of it okay. Yet, the content of emails is being released and so I am interested to see where that goes. I also think she’s a pretty risky candidate due to all of this. If Biden steps in I think he has the best shot of actually winning.
whatthe46 September 29th, 2015 at 01:39
http://www.alan.com/2015/03/25/jeb-bush-had-second-secret-email-account-as-governor/
“This isn’t the first time scrutiny has fallen on the younger Bush brother regarding emails. Records show Bush used his personal address to communicate about national security issues in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. And records show it took Bush more than seven years to comply with Florida statutes that require governors to provide email records to the state.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/12/hillary-clinton-fights-republican-hypocrisy-bush-jindal-walker-private-email.html
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where’s the FBI and the DOJ in those cases? don’t talk about ethics regarding Hill, until you talk about the serious violations and criminal activity the GOPissers have been involved in since before 9/11.
AmethystTear September 29th, 2015 at 21:21
Well, I wasn’t planning on voting for Jeb Bush but this information is good to know. The unethical behavior of one does not excuse the unethical behavior of another though. His wrongdoing doesn’t make Hill’s magically right. Neither one of them sound like they were doing the job the way they should be. It seems at this point most of them have something going on. For example, Rubio isn’t even doing his job as senator and has the worst record in congress practically. Not that that is his only problem. Again, I think it points out that Sanders so far is one of the most consistent candidates.
whatthe46 September 29th, 2015 at 21:48
and there you go. look if you want for so badly that Hillary did something wrong, then so be it. just like the lying GOPissers diatribe that PP is ripping babies apart and selling them. no matter that it’s not true, some will still find a “but” to defund them. just like your “but” is to somehow make it true if you keep saying it over and over and over again. she did nothing wrong. and now, this time i am truly finish with this conversation.
AmethystTear September 29th, 2015 at 21:59
So because I didn’t buy into your faulty logic you’re done? No problem. I’m not sure this was ever a real conversation to begin with. So basically the only democrat worthy of you is the one who agrees with you 100%. I’m sorry I haven’t bowed down to queen Hillary. She did nothing illegal but she did do something was unprofessional. Unprofessional enough that you felt the need to point out Bush had done it too. I agreed that it’s not okay for either of them. I’m not sure why I ever thought I could have a serious conversation with someone who uses GOPisser as a term. You are no better, no more intelligent, no more fascinating than the same type of loser on the conservative side who uses terms like libtard. In fact, you are cut from the EXACT same cloth. The one that resorts to your own cultish sounding jargon to communicate your ideas. You sit around feeling so self-satisfied that you are so better than them but really you are just like the far right over there. The one who is so scared to have an original thought or step outside the party bullet points that you immediately attack anyone who dares to question St. Clinton. Just like the Trump fans really. Get real. I’m sure the others just like you will swarm to your defense with their own creative jargon and half baked insults. I love all my liberal friends (the real life ones) and I am so glad none of them are like you.
Stan Ubeki September 26th, 2015 at 22:20
Show me a “serious serious issue” on the democratic side and I’ll show you a Fox talking point to match it.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:28
Correction Propaganda SCREAMING Point.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:28
You talk like an Independent but avoid using the label. Hummmmm ? Do you vote in the Primaries ?
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 22:44
I’ve been a registered Democrat most of my life and for the most part I still agree with most of the party’s stances. There are a few areas I disagree but on most issues I definitely would be described liberal not conservative. Up until the last couple of years, I was mainly focused on my kids, my career and did not vote in the primaries. I have been more interested in politics the last year or two. If I am an independent, I’m definitely more of a left leaning independent. I feel both sides are far more invested in being right than actually getting things done.
whatthe46 September 28th, 2015 at 22:56
only one side is interested in doing what’s right for America and it’s citizens as a whole. the other side, what’s in their best interest and how screwing everyone can line their pockets, they’re definitely not for you or your children. aside from the fact that every single repig wants nothing more than to divide it’s citizens, take away healthcare and impose theocracy in our government. screw the poor. pro-life my ass. cut millions off from foodstamps and that includes the elderly. cut education funds. that’s the right. pay attention there’s more, read up.
AmethystTear September 28th, 2015 at 23:16
I completely agree with what you have said regarding the far right. I think they are guilty of all those things and more like you said. I think Democrats overall have the right idea about things but the government is not exactly an efficient entity and to me I’m not sure putting the government in control of more things is completely smart. Do you feel the government is doing a good job with money? Honestly? I think Sanders has some really good ideas but unless he can figure out a way to make things work far more efficiently, they aren’t going to work very well. Look at the IRS and how convoluted that whole process is. Do we want college education to look like that?
You discussed me spending time on the Republican sites and that is true, I’ve learned a lot about how they think. Yes, there are many who are complete racist jerks and terrible people. There are also many who have some good ideas and bring up reasonable questions. I think cutting through the labels and antagonism between the two parties isn’t a bad thing and I think trying to understand where the other side is coming from isn’t a sin. My views haven’t really changed from doing so. I think understanding their concerns helps us better able to work together.
whatthe46 September 26th, 2015 at 22:13
if you can’t see the damage the republicans have done what damage they are talking of doing, then you haven’t been paying attention at all. not one democrat is or has ever spoke against equality have ever screamed racist and bigoted rethoric and hateful b.s. against American citizens like the repukes.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:26
Good Post.
Merlin September 26th, 2015 at 13:23
I gotta say though, the Koch’s and Alec and who ever were responsible for busing the T-baggers around originally were instrumental in sustaining the republican party for another 7 years after it should have died a gory death. george w. bush destroyed the reslug party or what was left of it. And they really went down in flames. Sucking some fourteen trillion dollars straight out of the pockets of the only rubes left with any thing, the middle class. I think Obama could have ended it long ago, but he seems to be a believer and allowed it to slog on through the much and blood of it’s own created destruction for all this time. cheney et al should have faced the Hague for their crimes.
dewired4u September 26th, 2015 at 14:18
The koch’s payed for the Prevost Coaches the upscale hotels and the nice restaurants for the so called early grass roots participants.
DrAWNiloc September 26th, 2015 at 13:40
I assume the headline writer meant that John “The Wolf” Boehner has handed the White House to Bernie Sanders.
NW10,PATRIOT! ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ September 26th, 2015 at 13:50
Bernie Sanders is and always will be a longshot to win the Democratic nomination. The way his campaign has been run, he’s running to lose after New Hampshire and Iowa, since his campaign doesn’t seem to be focusing on getting him the necessary name recognition to compete in South Carolina, Florida, Texas, California, where he is way behind.
dewired4u September 26th, 2015 at 14:23
If he does well in New Hampshire and Iowa then the news picks him up and that would give him a boost and if Clinton keeps losing ground and getting more bogged down in the email distraction he would have a shot .
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:24
I think the Email Whoopee Doo is running out of steam. No evidence of wrong doing and time is running out.
mea_mark September 26th, 2015 at 14:55
It’s a grassroots campaign. After the holidays and American families have gotten together and talked politics, I think Sanders will be doing a lot better. Sanders is not a product of the media, he is a man of the people. The people just need a chance to talk among themselves and his popularity will spread. Sanders is playing the long game and doesn’t care about momentary popularity and polling. He is in it to win for Americans in the very truest sense.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:23
I do agree that Sander does have a certain degree of appeal. But just like Trump, he is starting to run out of promises. I would like to see substance in the form or workable, detailed, programs.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:21
His campaign does seem to have a short stroke to it. All Big Talk start but starting to lose traction early on.
DrAWNiloc December 21st, 2015 at 23:39
I will concede that few, if any, of the polls conducted by Hillary’s mainstream media supporters have favored Sanders if you will admit that almost none of the independent online ones have Hillary in the lead.
Red Eye Robot September 26th, 2015 at 15:06
Alienate voters like they did in 2014? When the Tea party took back the senate for the GOP?
Mike September 26th, 2015 at 16:14
Again, we’ve spoken about your reading disability before. You really need to read things 3 or 4 times to make sure you understand what was said.
“… alienate enough voters to keep the White House Democratic….”
2014 was not a presidential election year. The House or Senate is not the White House.
I might even be argued it was the year the republicans lost the party to the Baggers.
bpollen September 26th, 2015 at 22:48
Were we talking about Congressional Elections?
You really should try to keep up, Brown Eye Robot.
If you can’t contribute to the conversation at hand, maybe read a book? Can’t hurt.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:15
What’s the matter ? is it smelling really bad in your sewer home so you had to come out to make a post.
Red Eye Robot September 26th, 2015 at 15:44
I love when people who haven’t done research tell me to do some research. Voter participation was down in states where there was nothing happening, however in almost every state where there was a democrat senate seat lost or an open seat where the GOP won the voter turnout was up. Nice excuse though. I don’t know how you would go about researching who would have won based on people who didn’t show up to vote.
Mike September 26th, 2015 at 16:17
Now go back and research 2014 and show us where a presidential election took place…that is after all, the context of the statement you misquoted.
If you were my robot, i’d scrap you for a toaster. Your dumber than rocks
whatthe46 September 26th, 2015 at 16:21
that was a great post. hahahaha.
tracey marie September 26th, 2015 at 16:34
and this Presdiential election where many many more people show up, repubs have over 35 seats up for relection. You are one big dummy
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:18
Now be nice. Don’t call this shithead a dummy.
bpollen September 26th, 2015 at 22:55
They may be orange and round and taste like citrus fruits, but they are APPLES, dammit!
Who was elected president in 2014? You are able to read the article, I’m assuming? If you can, you’ll see that it refers to the coming presidential election, not one that didn’t happen in 2014.
A little research should have shown you that the Congressional elections of 2014 were NOT a presidential election, and as such, doesn’t challenge the premise of the article at all.
You have just committed a Brown Eye Robot non-sequitur! Congrats, Pinky. Your path to irrelevancy is assured!
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:17
The only research (?) you would do is to ask your Block Party Propaganda Minister.
coop09 September 26th, 2015 at 16:59
Not automatically Clinton. That’s presumptuous. Not all Democrats are reflexively voting for Hillary Clinton.
Stan Ubeki September 26th, 2015 at 22:02
Hey stupid, all democrats will vote for the nominee, be it Sanders or Clinton.
KillAllTheRednecks . September 28th, 2015 at 23:06
I’ll be honest. If Hillary gets shoved down our throats, I may actually sit out this election because the system would obviously have been rigged for Hillary to get handed the nomination no matter how many support Sanders. The only thing that would get me back in the game in that case is if the GOP nominee is Ted Cruz.
Stan Ubeki October 7th, 2015 at 09:55
That would be an exceptionally stupid move.
majii September 26th, 2015 at 19:46
But, but, but, didn’t Boehner claim that he quit to “save” the integrity of the House/Congress?
Tommie September 26th, 2015 at 20:18
Prefer Bernie but she will do!
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:13
This is good.
amersham46 September 26th, 2015 at 22:14
he is just climbing out of the toilet (Congress) before somebody hits the flush lever
bpollen September 26th, 2015 at 23:13
Some people use Mobile Goalposts… the champagne of Specious Rhetorical Obfuscation©
whatthe46 September 26th, 2015 at 23:19
apparently so.
tracey marie September 26th, 2015 at 23:23
she lives at conservative chicks and does the same there, rhetorical babble, agreeing, lying and then making excuses for her lies. It’s a long winded troll
whatthe46 September 26th, 2015 at 23:26
you should read the babble coming from some bitch on the carson article.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 01:06
Are you talking about me on this one or someone else?
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:10
someone else.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:11
the carson article.
bpollen September 26th, 2015 at 23:27
Reminds me of a bit from Nick Danger (Firesign Theatre)
“Danger! You haven’t seen the last of me!”
“No, but the first of you turned my stomach!”
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 00:13
Actually, also I have no idea why Trump is running. Can’t stand him. The only thing I said is that I thought his gun law proposal wasn’t terrible. Other than I don’t think there is a single redeeming quality about the man.
Again, I’m finding that the people on the liberal boards are just as nasty as some of the far right people on the right boards. So far though, even though I’m definitely more on the liberal side, I’d have to say here has been far more hostile. Interesting.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 00:26
it’s completely irritating when someone repeats the same b.s. over and over again.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 00:40
Exactly. That’s why I don’t like Trump. Glad we can agree on something.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:07
well, repeating hiliary committed a crime over and over again is completely irritating. again, the GOPissers are beating a dead horse. there are no more investigations and now they, GOPissers, are pissed at the FBI for ending it. millions of tax dollars have been spent on a witch hunt.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 01:11
If they finish the investigation and find nothing, then they find nothing. The article you linked to was interesting as it was very different from a recent article at CNN. Let’s put it like this though. I’m really, really hoping Sanders gets the democrat nod. Even putting aside the email/Benghazi issues, I think he’s a much more focused and engaging candidate and he seems passionate and interested in making a difference which is what we need.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:15
the emails and the benghazi issue have been closed. the rwnj’s are pissy because there’s nothing. and you’re talking about putting aside what was a non-issue to begin with. again, that’s all you’ve heard because they have nothing to attack her with. and i love sanders as well. but, i love my hil.
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:20
and that’s the thing that’s irritating me. you say, if they find nothing… “if” the DOJ and the FBI stated no wrong doing. yet, you still use the “if” word.
AmethystTear September 27th, 2015 at 10:38
SO let’s put aside the criminal vs. non criminal terminology aside for a second. Do you think that everything Hilary did with her emails was on the up and up? To me, it all seems a bit manipulative and shady. Even she admits that it wasn’t good judgment and that some of her comments to the media were flip and not really taking voter concerns seriously. Also, this article states that the FBI is still looking into things.
“Clinton turned over to State her work-related emails from the server and kept emails she deemed personal. The email server has since been turned over to the FBI, where investigators have been able to recover both the personal and work-related emails. The FBI is looking into whether any classified materials were mishandled.”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-david-petraeus-benghazi/index.html
I did read the article you provided and realize according to that article she has been cleared by the State Department and the DOJ. Thank you for providing that one. I had not seen it. Still, does it clear up the poor judgment used on the job that she admits to? Shouldn’t somebody of her experience and level of power understand that at this point? So at this point whether are not it is a criminal action is resolved it still doesn’t resolve whether it was unprofessional and an indication of bad judgment from someone who is one of the highest level positions of the United States.
I think either Sanders or Biden would be a much better candidate than Clinton because as of right now there is really no question surrounding these guys. Sanders actually seems like one of the most up and up guys in the race and to me those types of things should matter. He’s focused on the issues, he’s not engaging in all the political pettiness and he’s been consistent for years. Which all speaks to his strength as a candidate. I do think there are some concerns for me personally about some of his policies but overall I like him a lot. Biden I like as well so far. He probably isn’t going to be able to get his whole agenda implemented even if he does get elected but I also like how he is able to talk with both sides and feel he would be able to work across the aisle better than many of the other candidates. I think with the appropriate checks and balances he can move us in a better direction.
William September 27th, 2015 at 01:33
The investigation is completed. Read something once in a while.
http://www.alan.com/2015/09/22/fbi-shuts-down-gop-hillary-email-investigation-effort/
whatthe46 September 27th, 2015 at 01:48
it won’t work. i’ve already gave him the link. he read it and he still said “if” they find nothing. i gave up.
William September 27th, 2015 at 01:50
The old adage of “trying to teach a pig to sing”.
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SkeeterVT September 28th, 2015 at 12:31
John Boehner’s exit as House Speaker — and from Congress — all but assures that the White House will remain in Democratic hands in the 2016 election (and quite possibly take back control of the Senate to boot).
But to say that he “handed the White House over to Hillary Clinton” is presumptuous, given that Clinton is still losing ground among Democratic primary voters to Bernie Sanders.
The newest round of polls show that Clinton’s lead over Sanders has fallen below double digits nationally for the first time. And Sanders now holds a commanding 20-plus-point lead over Clinton in New Hampshire and is widening his advantage in Iowa.
Meanwhile, the Clinton email scandal just won’t go away, as the current Democratic front-runner found herself once again forced to address the matter in interviews on “Meet the Press” this past Sunday.
And then there’s one other factor in Clinton’s declining poll numbers that nobody has, to date, had the cojones to mention publicly: The “Bill Factor.” No, not Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, but former President Bill Clinton. I’m just not comfortable with the idea of a former president returning to the White House as the nation’s first-ever “first gentleman.”
And I know that I’m not the only one who feels this way. Bill and Hillary Clinton have had their eight years in the White House — and eight is enough. So have the Bushes (Actually 12 years, if you combine George H.W. and George W.). It’s a big reason why Jeb Bush is floundering in the GOP polls.
Americans are just not into being governed by dynasties.
The Original Just Me September 28th, 2015 at 22:12
Say what you want but, ” I STILL BELIEVE IN HILARY ! “
SkeeterVT October 6th, 2015 at 10:52
Well, “I believe in Bernie!” So there!
The Original Just Me October 6th, 2015 at 21:34
Good for you. it is very good to have convictions. I also believe in and respect Mr. Sanders. But , in this situation, I prefer Hilary.
KillAllTheRednecks . September 28th, 2015 at 23:03
Who sez it HAS to be Hillary Clinton? Sanders is still going strong in the polls here in Iowa, where I plan to vote for him in the Caucuses.