Trump Widening Lead
A new Reuters/IPSOS poll shows Donald Trump gaining.
Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent.
Even when Trump was pitted directly in the poll against just his top two competitors, 44 percent backed him. Bush won about 29 percent of respondents, and Carson 25 percent.
“He’s not taking any guff from anybody,” Dewey Stedman, 70, a Republican from East Wenatchee, Washington, said of the publicity-loving billionaire. “If you don’t have something in your brains, you’re not going to have billions of dollars.”
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Mike August 23rd, 2015 at 22:20
Damn, that looks like McCain chasing the Dump with a cell phone trying to snap a pic…
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 10:19
Ha, it does but with less hair.
Chris August 23rd, 2015 at 22:26
The worship of money surpasses any religion in the GOP.
Mike August 23rd, 2015 at 23:21
It might be a tie with the cult of personality we have going on
See the Kardashians.
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Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 10:18
Jesus vs. a dollar……….the dollar wins every time with that group and they all wear the Crucifix of course.
Hugh Everett August 24th, 2015 at 16:01
I’m a Republican who will be voting for Hillary in the primaries because she represents a corrupt throwback to the 1990s, and she’ll be defeated regardless of who the GOP nominates. American voters are very ready for change, and Hillary is the same ol’ (you know what).
Chris August 24th, 2015 at 18:57
Americans are ALWAYS ready for change, according to EVERYBODY.
Elect any Republican to the presidency and you’ll get the same disastrous crew that propped up George W. Bush. Yeah, that’d be change. You really should read about who these people are.
If you are among the deluded who is enthusiastic about Trump, you truly are oblivious to the man. I’ve talked to some and they seem to think that since he doesn’t need to suck up to a Daddy Warbucks, he’d be a good independent voice. What you folks new to Trump don’t realize is that Trump is loyal ONLY to Trump. He doesn’t give a flying fig what any supporters want. It’s only because he hates brown people that he has the support he does. And that’s more of a statement on the electorate than on him.
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 21:15
You won’t likely be voting in any Dem primaries as a registered Greedy Oil Polluter party devotee. Rusty’s ‘Limbaugh register as a Dem method’ tanked GOP remaining registered voters to 25.9% today! LOL. keep following Rusty the racist over that same “Ashley Maddison” advertised bluff daily.
amersham46 August 23rd, 2015 at 22:35
Then are few smiles at the GOP National Committee
bpollen August 23rd, 2015 at 23:48
Has his appeal gone beyond all the teabaggers?
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 00:57
Trump’s 32% of the 25.9% remaining registered repubs is 12% of all voters. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/party-identification#!
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 10:16
It sounds so small but they have huge mouths and are always screaming about how rumpster will “fix” America. I had no idea we were broken, I prefer to say we house a lot of idiots.
rg9rts August 24th, 2015 at 11:14
The flip side is he may scare the usual stay at homes into coming out to vote
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 11:19
I hope so.
rg9rts August 24th, 2015 at 11:12
HEY where you guys this morning when the make $$$$ it at home invasion happened??? I must have flagged more than half a dozen
Larry Schmitt August 27th, 2015 at 09:04
Gotta sleep sometime.
rg9rts August 27th, 2015 at 10:39
Yeah right!
Tommie August 24th, 2015 at 10:13
If Bush would stop flip-flopping and stop trying to sound like Trump and Carson saying off the wall things(and stop being Black), maybe they would do better! Trump may be an a$$hole but he is a constant a$$hole!
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 13:36
I really like Rand Paul. I wish he would do better :/
Tommie August 25th, 2015 at 00:00
Don’t know if your joking but i have a problem with Rand Paul having a problem with the civil rights my people finally almost got in this country!
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 10:13
I am glad to live in a country where most of us voted for an African American who has saved our economy, ended unjust wars, killed the person responsible for 9/11, provided healthcare for millions……..and ripped off the blindfolds of people who claim racism is over.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 11:19
You mean voted on a guy because of the color of his skin? Yep, its called racism. To vote on a man because of his color is racist. To vote on a woman because she is a woman is sexist. To think someone should vote on a woman because they are a woman and she must “understand” their issues is sexist. It’s no different than if all white men only voted on white men because they thought only white men could understand their issues. Such an hypocritical group of voters.
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 11:36
I understand, living in a world where we need to know the meaning of words is hard. I will help you out just for shits and giggles. I said “most of us voted for an African American”, not “we voted for him because he was African American”. You apparently are from the party of projection but your “argument” will only work on the citizens with low IQ’s and obviously those are the ones who already vote for you party.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 12:37
LOL. I didn’t think you said “because”. It was my fault, because I assumed you knew the demographics of his voters and the demographics of the voters that currently support Hillary.
Obama won 98% of the black vote. Hillary lost the primary to him BECAUSE black women voted for him instead of her. According to CBS and Gallup (independently) the #1 reason black voters said they voted on him during exit polling was because they felt it was time to have a black president. He won by 4 percent of the vote. African Americans made up 8% of the voters…. so please, don’t project, assume, or simply attack. I was just saying Obama won the Presidency because of racists voters, which is absolutely true. I am fairly confident Hillary will win because of sexist voters. Hopefully, we don’t get into a rut where the only people that can win are the people that can pull the biggest minority by their identity to supplement the base vote thus tipping them over the edge enough to win.
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 12:54
You lost me, as soon as you rightfully admitted you assume things, your conversation is a complete fail. I have to go run now and burn some energy, it helps your brain think clearly and you should definitely give it a try.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 13:31
Not hard to lose you … I assumed you knew some things… and for that, I apologize :)
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 21:05
Debunked Satanic liar” js”‘666’
Secret and sneaky African American (D) Al Gore won 90% of the black vote in 2000, while Hawaiian (D) Obama won 95% eight years later. In margin-of-error terms, that’s not much of a bump.
Not many are dim enough to vote for a GOP POTUS nowadays e.g. repubs lost 5 of the past 6 popular POTUS votes via Mitt’s autopsy. “We’ve got to stop being the Stupid Party”-Hypocrite Bobby Brady Jindal, January 2013.
Birther Ben Carson / Herman Cain’t are both two of GOP’s biggest primary vote losers in the 21st century. After 0% Perry +/- 2% MOE. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/24/five-myths-about-black-voters/
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 20:50
Debunked claim “Obama won 98% of the black vote.” Link?
Reality: Whoever spoon-fed you is an easily debunked liar: “93% African-American voted for Obama, down 2 percentage points from 2008”, although 96% of black women supported BHO44. Plus 73% of Asian-Americans Voted for Obama.’ 53% popular vote won 2:1 (D) 365 to (R) 173 Mc’Palin-47% http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/politics/10-amazing-demographic-percentages-of-the-2012-election-20121109
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 21:10
Vote for, not on.
still whining about being a poor persecuted white guy
still making me laugh at you.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 12:32
I could give two shitz whether you laugh at me. Yes, you can vote “on” someone, and you can vote “for” someone, and you can deflect and call names when you have no actual argument, because that’s what illogical emotional people do… you don’t want to actually debate the issues because you know you’ll lose, so you just call names and ridicule.
I’ll use the same tactic then. I remember 3rd grade so I can do that. When you actually start to understand policy and statistics and you actually have an argument to support your decision, let’s discuss. Until then, keep calling names when someone doesn’t agree with you so that they can immediately know you don’t actually have an argument (or are actually too stupid to argue) so they can immediately discount your opinions and not waste their time.
Chris Farley August 25th, 2015 at 10:53
Most? you do realize how low the voter turn out was?
Suzanne McFly August 25th, 2015 at 13:05
You do realize it wouldn’t matter if only 3 people showed up right? If 2 people vote for President Obama, he would still win. Do you realize bush 2 lost the popular vote in 2000 but still stole the election?
Chris Farley August 25th, 2015 at 13:10
you said most. I stated that it was not most, but more like 25% of eligible voters. Shoot, in 12, O got less votes than McCain did in 08. And yes I do, one of the big reasons I got duped into voting for change (that is just more of the same) I didn’t in 12, I can sleep at night.
Suzanne McFly August 25th, 2015 at 13:21
How smart is it to plant the lack of change on one person? Do you not realize the republicans have been a constant roadblock to everything President Obama has done?
Chris Farley August 25th, 2015 at 14:30
I don’t like republicans. But I also can tell theatre from actual actions, or lack of. I would also state that the fact that the speaker of the senate refused to even table or vote on 95% of the bill that came out of the house, a roadblock on both ends. Middle ground does not get reached by holding to extreme positions.
and besides bedletter, he has not done one thing that hasn’t directly helped out the top 1%. If so, please to tell.
Suzanne McFly August 25th, 2015 at 15:09
I think by passing health care, he helped millions who are not part of the 1%. The rich who are involved with health care may have benefitted in profits but those who did not have any insurance can now afford the care they needed.
Chris Farley August 26th, 2015 at 08:42
Extending it to cover things like pre existing is helping. But it has only helped the bottom line of the very rich. I wont get into little details, but for everyone it helped, 2 had prices rise. And at the end of the day, its a huge transfer of wealth from the middle, to the 1% in the form of subsidies. Check out the earnings and stocks of that health care industry?
Obewon August 26th, 2015 at 09:10
You know U.S. record 90% are HC insured today including 32.1 M ACA covered by HC.gov & state exchanges? http://acasignups.net/ Do you also know ‘the ACA reduces Federal deficits $1.5 T+’-CBO. NY HC insurance cost $1,000+ per month until the ACA dropped HC to $308 per month in 2014 & 2015 before any subsidies = $7,200+ Annual consumer HC premium Insurance savings per NY ACA insured.
Chris Farley August 26th, 2015 at 10:20
I know. It has helped some. And 89.9% were insured when the law passed…. It also reduces the deficit? By increasing revenue?????? And who pays for the revenue, and where does it end up? I live in NY. My insurance continues to go up at about 10% a year. And by dropped, you mean to the person, but the insurance is still billing us, for that service. It went down for them, but the subsidie, is us, and its going directly to the industry. Never said it wasn’t doing good things, but I also know that its doing great things for the industry.
So simple question. Do you sell or buy anything? Do you know what a marketing plan is? What if I could state that you can get legislation, that mandates 100% market saturation of your said product. With subsidies for people who cannot afford your product and a fine for people who don’t buy it? Then a bailout written into it, to ensure profit margins increase? (BTW, they didn’t have to use the bailout, as their profits are up)
Obewon August 26th, 2015 at 21:31
‘CBO 2010: ‘ACA reduces federal deficits $1.3 T+, uplifted to $1.5 T+ federal deficit reduction via 28 M+ covered in 2014 & 32 M+ ACA covered in 2015.
“I live in NY. My insurance continues to go up at about 10% a year.” That proves your own phobic ACA ignorance e.g. 2013>”Bronze: These will cover 60% of costs, with a $3,000 deductible and $6350 maximum out of pocket. In New York City, a Bronze plan costs as little as $308 per month.”-2015 price as well:) http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/new-york-guide-to-signing-up-for-obamacare.html If your employer or HC provider rips you off +10% then free yourself, or continue to be suckered. As a software business owner since 1980, I am more than happy to pay a measly + 1 penny more, per Net income above +$250K. That’s why the Koch Bros scream Waaa.. over 1 penny more in UNLIMITED medicare taxes per $1 in net income +$250K! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21ed0fb5059df311b781f7a76f969ed1fef53cb0142439d8707540c7f260b45b.jpg
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 07:19
Simpleton. I work. So I cannot get that service, I just pay for it. And it hasn’t nocked my cost down a bit, in fact they went up.
And yes the deficit is down due to revenue being up, and a big revenue source is this legislation.
And you are just raging and making so sense. you should post when drunk.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 07:35
knock not nock
no not so
well, your entire last sentence says you are drunk, inbred and stupid.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 07:43
You again, everything you post proves you are just a spoiled 1% er. Go back to your boat.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 07:48
everything about you screams inbred teabagger
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 08:25
aren’t you a little ball of spoiled ignorance.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 08:30
the barnacles on my boat need to be scrapped off, I will pay you $2. an hour so you can afford to buy an education. Now get busy inbred and do not touch anything on the boat.
Obewon August 27th, 2015 at 08:15
“raging and making so sense. you should post when drunk.”-C Farley. Drunk poseur uneducated by Faux & frauds.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 08:23
Yes, That is you. like I said.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 08:39
what did you say, we do not speak the baggerish here.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 09:28
Read. You seem to be fine with repeated talking points and insulting people. So yeah, you do.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 12:31
says the guy who started out by calling Obe a simpleton.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 12:35
If the shoe fits. Just like you are insane and bordering on cyber stalker. don’t you have a servant to beat?
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 12:53
responding to you , now scrape the filth off the bottom of my boat.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 13:03
OK, trump supporter.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 13:15
clean the bottom of the boat then the waste tanks, get busy or i will dock your pay.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 13:18
What pay, I am turning you in for paying me under minimum wage.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 13:18
And a hostile work environment.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 13:33
I know you think this is funny, but isn’t it getting old. or do you just like talking to people like that?
Obewon August 27th, 2015 at 08:03
“Simpleton.” I work too and “Without any Subsidies” I pay $308 per month for NY HC, down from $1000+ per month. Boom! That was your head exploding as you realize your ACA ignorance cost you a fortune! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4efff27d2fdccd031dc929e17b45bf4cb5412215c77844b264243e439903717.gif
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 08:15
old chris is now having to mop up his own mess. Gotta run, I need to get on my boat and have the help pour me some wine and feed me strawberries. Toodles!
Obewon August 27th, 2015 at 08:18
That sounds like big pimp’n baby! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgoqrgc_0cM
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 08:21
His response to me was hilariously ignorant
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 08:24
Boom? you 9 or 10. And No, no you don’t. You are just lying now.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 08:38
poor loser, blames everyone else for it’s lack of success in life.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 09:27
ah, the rich girl is having a meltdown. ah.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 12:32
silly teapot, now step away from my boat unless you are scrapping the barnacles off the bottom
Suzanne McFly August 26th, 2015 at 10:52
Stocks increase when the business prospers, this goes hand and hand. If more can afford a much needed product, the product will sell.
Chris Farley August 26th, 2015 at 10:57
I was referencing the health care law in its entirety. It will also sell, with the formula its using, and I stated. And I wasn’t talking about stock, I was talking about their profits. And if its mandated and regulated, it does. And the profits go to the top, and the federal government gets what it always wants, revenue. Try to look at it from their side. Or research Mr Grubber.
Suzanne McFly August 26th, 2015 at 11:02
I don’t understand your angst towards more people having insurance. Of course profits rise when you have more customers, that is the whole idea of expanding your business.
Chris Farley August 26th, 2015 at 11:08
And how was the business expanded? I don’t have an angst. I am a fan of government option. To naturally drive down the price, and to increase the rate of insurance, and help out the millions in the middle that just pay, and cant use.
And when a business, lobbies, to have legislation that mandates everyone must by it, or else, that’s just pushing what the industry wants.
How about the many people that now have their insurance, but since they make so little, they cannot afford the out of pocket cost, and are not even using it? How does that help? Ah, it helps the industry.
The simple fix would have been just to expand Medicaid to say 500% of poverty on a sliding scale.
Medicaid does not have out of pocket, and it would provide a low cost government option. then the privates would lower their prices, or go out of business.
And allow anyone to purchase it. Right now, anyone that receives it at work, cannot. Even if it would be much cheaper.
Suzanne McFly August 26th, 2015 at 11:13
Single payer would be an ideal system but we need to take baby steps. This program is not the creation of the President, he was leaning toward single payer but he got passed what he could and eventually we can revise it.
Chris Farley August 26th, 2015 at 12:46
You are just repeating talk. I deal in actions. He had both houses and all the support of the people, if that’s what he really wanted, he would of had. and no, it will never go to that, as both sides are totally dug in on either you support it, or you hate it.
And it is the creation of the president. You should really watch the Grubber videos.
Suzanne McFly August 26th, 2015 at 15:24
No, they tested to see if single payer would pass and it wouldn’t. Just because he had both houses does not mean he has the freedom to govern like a king.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 07:29
You are talking theatre not actions. 99% of politics is theatre. To keep the base appeased. But you need to look past the talk, and only see the actions. DC is damn near Hollywood in this issue.
Obewon August 27th, 2015 at 08:08
Single Payer saves $2 T+ Annually equal to a 25% reduction in HC costs nationally without sacrificing any care or HC quality . Hillary Clinton’16~ HillaryCare is already SCOTUS approved!
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 08:35
the 1% do not get subsidies.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 09:26
The heck they don’t. From artificially propping up the stock market with tax dollars to the countless legislation that just moves wealth from the middle to the top.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 08:37
aren’t you a little ball od frustrated stupid, blame others for your failures in life. Now get off my boat.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 09:27
I am totally content in my life. I just find hypocritical elitist like you to be funny.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 12:33
I think someone is jealous.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 12:34
Nope. I will never be an elite as I have conscience. You seem to lack one.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 12:54
have you cleaned the bottom of my boat yet?
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 13:03
No, but you seem to be hanging from my bottom.
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 12:47
Nope, just laughing at the fool.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 12:53
scrape the barnacles off my boat and help the delivery man carry my wine boxes…but stay off the boat
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 13:04
No problem. you elitist snob. You all resort to the same exact thing. Now just hushit till the elections and go for your boy Trump.
tracey marie August 27th, 2015 at 13:19
do not forget to clean the waste tanks, I am habving trump over for cocktails later
Chris Farley August 27th, 2015 at 13:32
and wait till you see the bill.
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 10:40
In 2011 trump was leading the same way, 26%…huckebee was second %17, mittens at 15% and newt at 11%
rg9rts August 24th, 2015 at 11:10
ROTFLMAO
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 11:17
I honestly don’t think he’ll win the primary, but I absolutely love the fact he isn’t scared to call this politically correct garbage what it is… and that’s garbage. He’s getting good issues out there and forcing candidates to address them. It’s too bad he won’t talk about this made up war on women and the fact men have no rights in this country any more. That’s another thing that needs to be put out there in the main stream that the media is just too scared and indoctrinated to report on.
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 11:38
Please expand on your thought “He’s getting good issues out there and forcing candidates to address them”, what issues is he getting out there and please tell me his views of solving these issues.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 12:30
The welfare state,illegal immigration, the “made-up” war on women, our ridiculous income tax structure… I guess those would be a few things that he has definitely brought into the public forum for debate. As for him solving them, I don’t think he will… but as we all know, the first step to fixing any issue is properly recognizing it exists. (Awareness).
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 12:50
I make .73 to a males dollar, that doesn’t seem like a crime to you? And how is he going to “fix” the illegal immigration or our tax structure? Do you now understand he is for helping out the people who cannot afford healthcare and he supports aid.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 13:35
You don’t make .73 cents to the male dollar. The gender gap has been proven wrong so many times (even by the Obama administration’s own department of labor its crazy).
Did you miss my statement, “As for him solving them, I don’t think he will… but as we all know, the first step to fixing any issue is properly recognizing it exists.”
So as I said, I don’t think he will fix it, but I like he is bringing it into the public debate so it can be focused on by those that can.
I also support aid, I just don’t support the welfare state. They are not the same. BTW, I’m sure you would make more money if you were at work right now instead of going for a “run” as you commented in your other post.
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 15:22
Obviously you will do nothing but spout your beliefs. I will not conversate with a person who is in a profound state of denial about facts.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 15:30
lol. you haven’t stated a single fact.
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 15:39
Genius, I did state facts, all you do is deny them……….try reading something that contains facts………http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/14/on-equal-pay-day-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 15:58
Here’s the DOL report. The gender gap is made up. When people stay in the work place the same amount of time and do the same job they get paid the same, whether they’re male or female. Females get paid less on average because they work lower paying jobs, take time off from their careers more frequently, prioritize their family over their jobs, and typically work less hours.
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 16:25
You wanted facts so I presented you a Pew Research article with facts stating the pay gap is shrinking but it still exists. Instead of addressing the article I presented, you go find another one and start a new discussion. Stay on point, address the facts I presented then if I feel I want to waste more time conversing with you I will address your article.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:31
No, you showed a Pew Research article that shows a non adjusted average that doesn’t address anything but a national average that the very link you sent explains. Your link agrees with what I’m saying. There is no gap once they factor in the fact that women leave the workplace and take lower paying jobs. HERE IS THE TEXT FROM YOUR ARTICLE which shows the pay gap isn’t real… women and men when working the same hours and career and profession make the same.
From your link:
“In spite of its narrowing, the gender pay gap persists. Why is this? In our survey, women were more likely to say they had taken career interruptions to care for their family. And research has shown that these types of interruptions can have an impact on long-term earnings. Roughly four-in-ten mothers say they have taken a significant amount of time off from work (39%) or reduced their work hours (42%) to care for a child or other family member. Roughly a quarter (27%) say they have quit work altogether to take care of these familial responsibilities. (Fewer men say the same. For example, just 24% of fathers say they have taken a significant amount of time off to care for a child or other family member.)
Even though women have increased their presence in higher-paying jobs traditionally dominated by men, such as professional and managerial positions, women as a whole continue to work in lower-paying occupations than men do”
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 16:50
And when the interruptions are not involved, the pay gap is still a fact………….The survey findings are paired with a Pew Research analysis of census data that shows that today’s young women are the first in modern history to start their work lives at near parity with men. In 2012, among workers ages 25 to 34, women’s hourly earnings were 93% those of men.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 17:19
I don’t think you read my response? Do you also see where that’s because they haven’t taken time off work yet and they are entering higher paying jobs?
Are you really so dumb that you don’t understand that its not a problem if the people aren’t doing the same work and have the same experience? People shouldn’t get paid the same for less experience or in a sub par job. Now that younger women are wanting to be in higher paying jobs and going to college more and waiting longer to get married the parity will fall… because there was never an unfair gap to begin with, it was simply that women weren’t deciding to do those jobs and were deciding to do other things…. not because of some mythical “gender gap” created by some made up patriarchy. I am starting to seriously doubt you or William went to college. I think you guys may need to take a queue from some of the young millennial women and go get educated…
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 19:59
I read one of your responses and they are empty replies. If you don’t put thought or use facts in your posts I do not waste my time reading more than a few sentences. You caught me, sad thing is it took you this long to realize the fact.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 16:01
LOL. You mean like your own post proving my point, the fact your very own article says the “base pay gap” only exists if you don’t take experience or profession into account? That once you account for those disparities so that you are comparing apples to apples there is no pay gap?
William August 24th, 2015 at 15:48
The gender gap has been proven wrong so many times (even by the Obama administration’s own department of labor its crazy).
Link please?
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 15:56
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
William August 24th, 2015 at 16:02
In 1970, the median usual weekly earnings for women working full-time was only 62.1 percent of those for men; by 2007, the raw wage gap had shrunk from 37.9 percent to just 21.5 percent.
Could you point out the part where the gender gap no longer exists?
I can’t seem to find it.
Thanx in advance.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:03
It’s about 3 paragraphs below that, in the forward:
There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the
wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively
account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and
thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent. These variables
include:
A greater percentage of women than men tend to work part-time. Part-time work tends to
pay less than full-time work.
A greater percentage of women than men tend to leave the labor force for child birth, child
care and elder care. Some of the wage gap is explained by the percentage of women who
were not in the labor force during previous years, the age of women, and the number of
children in the home.
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Women, especially working mothers, tend to value “family friendly” workplace policies
more than men. Some of the wage gap is explained by industry and occupation, particularly,
the percentage of women who work in the industry and occupation.
Research also suggests that differences not incorporated into the model due to data limitations
may account for part of the remaining gap. Specifically, CONSAD’s model and much of the
literature, including the Bureau of Labor Statistics Highlights of Women’s Earnings, focus on
wages rather than total compensation. Research indicates that women may value non-wage
benefits more than men do, and as a result prefer to take a greater portion of their compensation
in the form of health insurance and other fringe benefits.
William August 24th, 2015 at 16:05
Great…however, I cannot seem to find anything in this report that affirms your contention.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:10
The entire basis of the report confirms my “contention” including the lines I quoted, that there is no real pay gap when adjusting for differences in choices in life. A man and woman otherwise equal in the same career make the same amount. It is only if the female takes time off etc that her salary begins to sag which is exactly what the DOL report found. Certainly a man that quit working (not getting raises) for 5 years wouldn’t make as much as a man that kept working (and getting raises) over the same 5 years.
Don’t you think if companies could get cheaper labor for the same price by hiring women they’d just hire all women? LOL. If you can’t see it with a report like that I’m not sure you ever could.
William August 24th, 2015 at 16:14
I dismiss reports that are based upon conjecture. To it’s credit the report does admit to not having positive evidence by using words like “may”, and “probably”.
Also…
“thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.”
.
The report admits to a gender gap.
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 16:29
I don’t know about you but I feel like we are talking to an empty vessel.
William August 24th, 2015 at 17:03
It would seem so
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 17:22
so when you say gender gap, are you talking about a gender gap of national wage average not taking profession or career length into account or are you saying that women are treated unfairly and paid less for doing the same work with the same experience? The first is true (as we have discussed, because women don’t work as long or have the same jobs they make less on average) but the second is not true, because when women do take those jobs and do have the same experience they make the same or more.
Which are you saying? You seem to at least comprehend what you’re reading as opposed to Suzanne.
William August 24th, 2015 at 16:09
The report seems to indicate that a gap still exists. The report also admits to engaging in wholesale speculation, IE
The differences in raw wages may be
almost entirely the result
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:19
No, it says there is a raw gap (as it calls it) which is simply adding up average earnings of each sex per year and dividing it out and finding an average per hour and saying there is a gap. As the report explains though, when factoring for other reasons like profession, time away from job etc, they literally get the gap down to about .05 cents, then on top of that, they refer to separate studies (the same one’s the Reddit CEO used) to say most of the .05 cents is due to the fact women do not try to negotiate their salaries as often as men. I should also point out that this study was actually conducted under the Obama administration itself….
so how about this, if there is a way gap, which the report thinks there is not, it is below .05 cents per hour and is likely the result of negotiation skills in some fields. So like I said, no, she doesn’t get paid .73 cents to the male dollar and yes, the gender gap is a myth based on bad math which compares librarians to lawyers…
RandyBastard August 24th, 2015 at 20:09
You know the Department of Labor isn’t the place to go for up-to-date information, right? Have you ever heard of the Bureau of Labor Statistics? Here’s a report from 2013. Suck on that!
http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2013.pdf
William August 25th, 2015 at 13:43
Thanks for that link. A very thorough report.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:05
And this is the last line of the summary:
The differences in raw wages may be
almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.
arc99 August 24th, 2015 at 16:15
The report you cited was completed and published in January 2009 about a week before President Obama was inaugurated.
So let us be clear that this report does not come from the Obama administration. It came from the administration of a President whose party ideology is that the gender wage gap is not a problem in this country any more.
Those are the facts. Make of them what you will.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:27
Ah you are correct on that. I was looking at the date it was presented not published….
Apologies. But that’s still what the DOL report shows. The only other report is the one by the national center on women (a very biased source) but even in that study which found a gap, they didn’t separate between professions… I don’t think anyone would be surprised at a pay gap being between elementary school teachers and college professors. If there are better more “current” non biased/governmental studies (not blogs or opinion pieces) I would like to see them, but I still haven’t seen any data to even attempt to counter my claims (with the exception of the administration timing). I’m actually not trying to deceive anyone or be obtuse, I just want people to actually have to look at the real issue and the facts around it before supporting legislative policies that force a company to pay females more than males in order to drive up an “incorrectly calculated” average.
RandyBastard August 24th, 2015 at 20:03
Got any links to back up your claims? And please, no Moonie Times or World Nut Daily.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 17:20
http://www.consad.com/content/…
RandyBastard August 27th, 2015 at 22:45
Your link goes to the root of an FTP server where raw files are available for download. But this is 2015 and I don’t look at files on unknown FTP servers.
So I did some research. What ever did we do before Google?
My favorite result was a link to a conservative complaining on a liberal blog that every respectable journalist and media news outlet was ignoring a report from Consad, which he claims was commissioned by the Obama administration in 2008. No small feat since the Obama administration didn’t start until 2009.
“… why is this study completely ignored by virtually every single
politician and pundit out there? I mean, even the Republicans and
conservative pundits stay away from it.” http://www.democraticunderground.com/11144530
Every one? Even the Republicans? To me that says this ‘research corporation’ is universally reviled as a source of reliable data.
js27195 August 28th, 2015 at 10:30
I guess it cut the link off. Here is the full link:
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
This is a report commissioned by the Department of Labor and sign by the deputy director. This one isn’t disputed. It also aligns with the Pew Research poll showing the actual adjust pay gap to be about 4 cents per dollar, but they attribute that difference to willingness to negotiate salary.(http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/14/on-equal-pay-day-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-gender-pay-gap/)
blockpasser August 24th, 2015 at 16:36
Ma’am, have you considered looking for a job that will pay you what you think you’re worth?
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 16:52
Keep talking nonsense, you seem to be entertaining yourself with this babble.
blockpasser August 24th, 2015 at 17:25
Can you entertain yourself with the sobering thought that maybe you’re not worth more money to anyone else?
Suzanne McFly August 24th, 2015 at 20:00
Wow, a whole lot of nothing in that response of yours.
blockpasser August 25th, 2015 at 18:29
What job do you do, and for what industry?
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 16:43
this made up meme that men have no rights in this country has got to be the most inane comment ever.
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:51
meme?
The rights I’m talking about are mainly involving child custody and family law along with employment and discrimination protections.
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 16:52
rhetoric, stupidity, ignorance, whining, lie, fake victimhood…take your pick
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 16:58
hmm. well if I don’t know what specific things your saying aren’t true I can’t really refute it.
I know the government doesn’t have as many specialized services for men as they do for women. Men don’t have naming rights to their children. In most state’s they are not presumed to start with equal custody during divorce. Men are given harsher prison sentences for the same crimes. Men commit suicide at more than 5 times the rate of women in the United States. More men are homeless. Women’s healthcare insurance premiums are subsidized by the government to make it equal to that of men (who are 33% cheaper to insure medically even when taking out pregnancy related claims) but life insurance and car insurance are left to be more expensive for men. Approximately 1/4 of all rapes and almost 1/2 of all domestic violence occurs against men, but less than ten percent of either are even actually prosecuted.
Any of those what you’re referring to?
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 17:18
rotflmao…naming rights for their kids? what a moronic list
js27195 August 24th, 2015 at 17:25
some people would like to have legal input into their own child’s name.
I will say that’s an effective argument though…
let me use the same strategy..
“she didn’t have any meaningful response or way to refute what I was saying with facts, so she just reverted to name calling by calling the list moronic and trivializing one of the bullet points.”
rotflmao … What a MORONIC response….
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 17:27
what a moron you are, a whiney one at that.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 12:34
Again, name calling… hahaha. Tracey, go back to school and learn something.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 16:00
yes, yes, just like women crying about pay gap or rape culture are “whiney” right?
whatthe46 August 24th, 2015 at 20:54
it’s a stupid ass post. you are a moron. you sound like the type of person who doesn’t have a woman in your life because you bitch too damn much and want to be in control of everything. that’s a personal problem and has nothing to do with women.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 12:40
Okay, whatthe46. I’m not sure whey you think it’s ridiculous that a parent would want a right to have input into what their child is named but I assure you there are many parents that care deeply about their child’s. Now, I didn’t say that a man not having a legal right to have input into his child’s name is a woman’s fault (nor do I believe it is). I simply said it is unfair legally. If a man and a woman have a child together and the father wants to give his child his last name but the mom decides she wants to give the child her last name, the mother automatically gets to name the child her last name. That is not equal. If that’s not important to you, that’s fine, but don’t pretend it isn’t important to anyone. BOTH parents should have equal say, but that’s not what it is. Imagine if the law said the man got to name their child whatever they wanted and the mother got no “legal” right to challenge it. What do you think the response would be? The fact that you guys don’t care about unequal treatment unless it is the female that is treated unequally is exactly what is giving the whole feminist movement such a bad name. At no point did I say I wanted to be in “control”, I said I wanted equal legal say. Those are not the same thing. I think you folks need to go take a critical thinking and reading comprehension class.
whatthe46 August 27th, 2015 at 13:24
“Now, I didn’t say that a man not having a legal right to have input into his child’s name is a woman’s fault (nor do I believe it is). I simply said it is unfair legally.” it has nothing to do with the damn legal system. it’s none of their business. damn what’s wrong with you?
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 15:52
You said, “It’s none of their business. damn what’s wrong with you?”
You are saying it is none of the father’s business what his child is named?
When a child is born, the name has to be written on the birth certificate (as required by law). The name written becomes the legal name of the child. Currently, what is written on the certificate is 100% up to the mother and cannot be challenged by the father. Are you saying that the father shouldn’t have a say in their own child’s name because it is none of the father’s business?
whatthe46 August 27th, 2015 at 16:07
it’s none of the damn government business. besides why in the hell are you arguing over a damn name. man, i’m sure that’s why your wife only had 2 children with you. she was tired of fighting over b.s.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 16:35
lol. We didn’t fight over either of their names.
So if it’s not the government’s business, who decides legally the name of a child. Let’s say a man and a woman are having a baby, and they are not married. The man wants the child to be named Chris Smith. The woman wants the name to be Rufus Parker. Here’s what happens… at the hospital they bring a form to the woman and ask her to fill it out. She puts the name she wants on there. She also list whatever father she wants on there (or none at all). That form is used to issue the legal birth certificate. From that point on, the child’s name (and father) are as she specified. A father can try to sue to get recognized as the father (if he knows she didn’t list him, which he would have to know to check) but he has no say as to the name. The reason the government (and law) is involved is that names a legally recognized and recorded in county records, and go on official documents, so the government has to “recognize” the official person who is in charge of assigning the name originally. In my opinion, this disenfranchises the father and is unfair to him because his rights are not equal where the child is involved in this case, even though the child is already born.
whatthe46 August 27th, 2015 at 17:02
please leave me alone. seriously.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 17:08
I’m only posting responses, so will do! :)
whatthe46 August 27th, 2015 at 21:53
you can post. that’s fine. i won’t respond other than this one ok. because you have issues about everything. especially when it comes to women’s rights. seriously dude. forget the stupid argument about fricken “names” you don’t think women are being discriminated against at all. that’s why i said, leave me alone. i’m done.
js27195 August 28th, 2015 at 10:31
I’m only posting responses, so will do! :)
RandyBastard August 24th, 2015 at 20:01
He wants to name his kid Staples Center.
whatthe46 August 24th, 2015 at 20:52
that’s when you’re reaching because you have nothing else.
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 20:44
Darwinian discarded Gun owners are predominately male: “Men commit suicide at more than 5 times the rate of women in the United States.”
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 12:49
LOL. Surely you’re not saying if they didn’t own a gun they wouldn’t commit suicide? Sure, if you’re going to do it, a gun is an efficient way, but it’s certainly not the only way. You can’t be seriously advocating that… its absurd.
whatthe46 August 24th, 2015 at 20:52
“Men commit suicide at more than 5 times the rate of women in the United States. More men are homeless.” that sounds like a personal problem. what in the hell does that have to do with women or the govt? “but life insurance and car insurance are left to be more expensive for men.” could that be because men are more likely reckless?
In 2011, an estimated 19,000 rapes and sexual assaults — overwhelmingly against women — took place in the military.
so, what were you saying
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 12:45
My point is, the government has a protection of violence against women “act”, a department for the protection of woman, a department for the advancement of women and the Department of Health and Human Services has a specific group designated for preventing suicide by women.
The reason men are more often homeless is because more than 80% of homeless shelters (supported by the government) are women and children only. Those are government services paid for by all citizens, but only available to women and children.
I agree life and car insurance should be more expensive for men, because they have more wrecks and die earlier (and thus are more expensive to insure) but the government actually passed a law saying women could not be charged more than men, even though they cost more to insure (even factoring out maternity related charges they are still 33% more expensive on average than a man of the same age). The government passed a law saying there couldn’t be different rates for men and women, basically forcing men to subsidize women’s decreased rate, but they passed no such law for men with insurance where men are charged more. That is not fair or impartial.
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 15:58
In 2012, men were the victims of intimate domestic violence more than women? So what were you saying? And btw, would you start supplying backup for your false statistics… at least some backup?
http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 20:29
Lol! Ya’ll need to get on-board the forced birther train… All aboard! Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa! Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay Crazy, but that’s how it goes… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVovq9TGBw0
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 20:31
Poor men, can’t even have
“naming rights to their kids.”
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 15:55
forced birther? What are you talking about? I’m not talking about forcing birth in any way, shape or form. I was talking about the ability to name the child once it is born. What are you talking about?
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 20:20
As a man of 57, I’ve never heard anyone but this Limbaughtomized loser feign ‘Ain’t got no man rights.’ Infact it’s a mans world. Just look at USA’s no female POTUS, Very few female CEO’s and boardroom chairMen.
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 20:21
That is why I just laughed at him. His posts get even more hilarious and delusional as he trys to goad me into an argument.
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 20:25
Debunked GOP trolls spewing 100% errancy is why their 89% white repubs with their 95% white baggers crashed to 25.9% of today’s voters.
tracey marie August 24th, 2015 at 20:31
that one and bahlers crack me up.
Obewon August 24th, 2015 at 20:37
GOP candies until 2016~ Repubs are great for the butt of jokes, nothing else. They’ve proved they can’t govern anything rationally with any reasonable solutions e.g. 60+ impossible ACA repeal votes, 8 + Ben Ghazi hearings all agreeing the IG “No laws broken” “No stand down order” “No wrongdoing by the Obama Admin or SoS Clinton.”
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 16:47
All that male privilege… LOL. Someone thinks they’re still in the 50s.
http://i.imgur.com/8CZbbjZ.jpg
Across a wide range of jurisdictions the estimates are that mothers receive primary custody 68-88% of the time, fathers receive primary custody 8-14%, and equal residential custody is awarded in only 2-6% of the cases (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-hughes/are-custody-decisions-bia_b_870709.html)
According to a 2010 national survey by the Centers for Disease Control and Department of Justice, in the last 12 months more men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over sexual or reproductive health. Despite this, few services are available to male victims of intimate partner violence. (http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/)
Obewon August 27th, 2015 at 23:00
I’m unworried as I live in the “well regulated”-2nd Amendment North East where gundeaths are 5/100K, 4 times less than Palin’s Alaska 20 gundeaths per 100,000 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c87df30f7ddf136dbc807efa330f80a06629ac7aa4427a0a362d0ce4e730b50c.jpg !
js27195 August 28th, 2015 at 10:26
LOL. All you have to do to understand this trend is look at the percentage of people that hunt in the state vs. the population. Any activity with guns will increase the number of gun deaths. A little more “hunting” going on in Alaska per capita than in Hawaii or Mass or the rest of New England… hahaha, especially per capita. Also notice the chart doesn’t trent, like Illinois and California and other states that have stricter gun control, but still have high gun death rates. This graph is all about hunting, which yes, can be dangerous due to its nature (with regards to “gun deaths”).
I also think that anyone focused on only 20 people out of 100,000 is wasting their time, you realize death by auto accident, drowning, and choking are all higher… so I’m not sure any state’s “number of gun deaths per capita” is a cause for extreme alarm.
Obewon August 28th, 2015 at 20:47
Guns are made to kill. While cars are made safer and more efficient, with less fossil fuel (toxic mercury, etc) fallout annually: America’s Top Killing Machine!
Gun deaths are poised to surpass automobile deaths in the United States this year.
Car crashes killed 33,561 people in 2012, the most recent year for which data is available, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Firearms killed 32,251 people in the United States in 2011, the most recent yearfor which the Centers for Disease Control has data.
But this year gun deaths are expected to surpass car deaths. That’s according to a Center for American Progress report, which cites CDC data that shows guns will kill more Americans under 25 than cars in 2015. Already more than a quarter of the teenagers—15 years old and up—who die of injuries in the United States are killed in gun-related incidents, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/americas-top-killing-machine/384440/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2dd8279b265377c83c97a8d7ddfb1fc662fb90e4ac6c2c62577aaf124b71a23a.jpg
whatthe46 August 24th, 2015 at 20:34
you have issues.
jybarz August 27th, 2015 at 16:15
WTF!
js27195 August 27th, 2015 at 16:30
What? You think he will win the primary?
amersham46 August 27th, 2015 at 16:59
Leading a race full of losers
allison1050 August 27th, 2015 at 22:18
That was funny and sadly true.
mcalleyboy August 27th, 2015 at 20:23
But IAW George Ramos Trump doesn’t seem to be making any gains in the polls but then again Ramos is a drama-infused mental midget that can’t control his emotional outbursts like a baby on crack.
allison1050 August 27th, 2015 at 21:04
Ramos = drama on your flier of life? lol Were you raised by monks that had taken a vow of silence or what little boy? That wasn’t screaming but there again the only screamer screaming was The Dump. Read your own comment Drama Queen boy.
mcalleyboy August 28th, 2015 at 00:19
Please foreigners are this way, all they want is attention, they’re are the new squeaky wheel and everybody jumps on board (Progressive minds) to save them, what about those that are trying to get her legally, in line for several years do the influx of illegals. But then again what doesn’t effect you doesn’t bother you so everything is hunky dory in make believe land.
whatthe46 August 28th, 2015 at 00:32
tRump has admitted to hiring immigrant. illegal immigrants. he’s even stated he loves hiring them. he’d rather pay less than minimum wage to immigrants and save money on taxes, than to hire American citizens. he said so himself. wtf if wrong with you?
mcalleyboy August 28th, 2015 at 00:56
Trump hires companies that bring in their own workers, how’s he supposed to keep track of that? He never admitted to hiring illegals and he gets his price for the job no matter what, so it doesn’t matter whether he hires illegals or not.
whatthe46 August 28th, 2015 at 01:41
first of all. there’s an article right here on LL that he admits to. hell there are a few articles on here where it’s been documented. the last sentence of yours, well, LMFAO! seriously. you said that?
mcalleyboy August 28th, 2015 at 06:35
Did you watch the CNN interview, he admitted there could be illegal immigrants working for him in the past but we are talking about 2015 and he hires companies that hire the workers, so? is it that big of deal, how can you not have workers and at least 11 million illegal immigrants and probably many with fake ID’s …. jeezz.
whatthe46 August 28th, 2015 at 09:31
you believe everything that he says when he wants you to ignore truth. even though, as reported, he still has illegal immigrants working for him TODAY!
allison1050 August 28th, 2015 at 07:14
Allow me to ask this of you little boy, WHO do you think is hiring them, do you really believe that they’re hiring themselves? Let’s ask The Dump how many are working on his construction sites, golf courses and in the restaurants (from bus boys to cooks,desserts, salads to dish washers) do you think the child he’s married to changes her baby’s diapers dumb ass? So in the real world of life dummy why aren’t you mad at the politicians that allow The Dump to get away with these hiring practices? Oh I know the answer to that, the criminals, such as The Dump and your politicians are white so they couldn’t possibly be wrong when you listen to them scream and rant about illegals right dumb ass? Place your anger where it belongs dumpling and learn how to Not follow the common herd, you’ll then become an independent thinker. Sort of like going from A to B and so on until you reach Z but I’m certain that would more than likely give you a headache.
mcalleyboy August 28th, 2015 at 11:01
Fake ID’s, is it reasonable to have a business to find the time to research fake ID’s isn’t that supposed to be the responsibility of the Federal government or state? Many have SS numbers that work. Real world, I’d like to introduce you to the real world, come on over to the Philippines and see what’s it like living in and around the citizens here, what real world do you live in.
allison1050 August 28th, 2015 at 12:42
You love making excuses don’t you? Have you always leaned in that direction I’m including being the 1 that stole the cookie from the cookie jar lie and say it was your little brother? WoW, so THAT’S what you call taking personal responsibility…okay twit enjoy your foggy day. ;o) By the way dopey, what makes you want to believe that I’ve never ever been outside of the country? ass u me = don’t assume anything ’cause it just proves to the world how unaware you actually are.
mcalleyboy August 28th, 2015 at 20:54
I’m feel many Americans have been outside the country but have you lived for years outside the US, that’s the question and among the general public not in some volunteer house with guards and gates. And now do you live around immigrants? Good on you for traveling outside the US, thats impressive because most don’t leave their state let alone the country.
mcalleyboy August 28th, 2015 at 21:38
Remember that dopey retired at the age of 41 with a lifetime pension.