Bernie Rips Republican Family Values

Posted by | August 15, 2015 22:00 | Filed under: Politics


Bernie Sanders ripped into the hypocrisy of Republican “family values” at the Iowa State Fair.

While speaking at The Des Moines Register Soapbox, Sen. Sanders shredded Republican family values.

Sanders said:

Many of my Republican colleagues talk about family values. Their family values are that a woman should not have the right to control her own body.

I disagree.

Their values are that our gay brothers and sisters should not be able to get married, or enjoy all of the benefits of American citizenship.

I disagree.

That my family values are, I’ve been married twenty-seven years got four kids, seven grandchildren. That my family values are that the United States has got to end the international embarrassment of being the only major country on Earth that doesn’t guarantee paid family and medical leave.

When a woman has a baby in this country, regardless of her income, she should be able to spend three months with that baby, getting to know that baby, love that baby.

That’s a family value.

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45 responses to Bernie Rips Republican Family Values

  1. Suzanne McFly August 15th, 2015 at 23:03

    What’s that I hear? Oh yeah, it’s silence. I haven’t heard that since rumpster started driving the clown bus.

  2. Kick Frenzy August 15th, 2015 at 23:18

    Someone get me a some aloe… cause hot damn, I am feeling the Bern!

  3. Warman1138 August 15th, 2015 at 23:36

    Bernie Rules, Republicans Drool!

  4. labman57 August 15th, 2015 at 23:40

    Marriage should be between a man and his wife … and his mistress … and an occasional hooker or two … possibly ending in divorce — you know, the traditional way as God intended it to be.

    • whatthe46 August 15th, 2015 at 23:47

      cracking up.

    • Larry Schmitt August 16th, 2015 at 04:36

      God and conservatives.

    • allison1050 August 16th, 2015 at 06:55

      lol and it happens alll the time what’s the divorce rate in the US?

  5. Tommie August 16th, 2015 at 00:50

    And that is why he is my first choice, not scared of any of those on the right and tells it like it is!

    • allison1050 August 16th, 2015 at 06:54

      Or on the left either.

  6. TuMadre, Ph.D August 16th, 2015 at 05:35

    I agree with Bernie on the right to control (and subsequent right to personal responsibility). I agree that homosexuals should enjoy the same benefits as everyone else (I just happen to believe that marriage isn’t something the government should be a part of).

    As far as “guaranteed paid family/medical leave,” neither the government, nor the businesses have any control of anybody’s body. Why should they be financially responsible for something they have no control over, and is completely optional to the individual?

    To quote Eleanor Roosevelt, “Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. For the person who is unwilling to grow up, the
    person who does not want to carry his own weight, this is a frightening
    prospect.”

    • Kick Frenzy August 17th, 2015 at 23:36

      Well,first of all, having a baby is not equivalent to succumbing to gluttony to such a degree that you develop a disease due to it.
      Choosing to produce offspring is not looked down upon by the medical community as destroying your body.

      But, more to your point, providing paid family leave isn’t just a sweet bonus for the mom/dad/baby/family.
      If you force that new mother back to work a week after giving birth, she’s going to be more likely to suffer postpartum depression.
      Allowing for a mother to care for the newborn, which could include breastfeeding, is advantageous to the entire country.
      It results in children who develop more soundly mentally, as well as health-wise… which translates into lower health care costs as they get older.

      And a company that treats it’s employees as humans will easily cultivate a culture of employees who appreciate the company, to the point of admiration and devotion.
      This translates into stronger worth for the company, as well as the workers.

      It’s the empathetic side of a free market.

      (Plus, what’s wrong with just being a decent human being to other human beings who depend on you for their ability to just live and provide for their family?)

      • TuMadre, Ph.D August 18th, 2015 at 00:11

        They are both medical conditions that one chooses to enter into, whether there is a stigma to it or not.

        “If you force that new mother back to work a week after giving birth, she’s going to be more likely to suffer postpartum depression.”
        Then perhaps she and her family should plan and budget before having a child.

        “Allowing a mother to care for the newborn, which could include breastfeeding, is advantageous to the entire county. It results in children who develop more soundly, as well as health-wise, which translates into lower health care costs as they get older.”
        You are talking about the benefits of breast milk. Not breast feeding. There are pumps.

        “And a company that treats its employees as humans will easily cultivate a culture of employees who appreciate the company, to the point of admiration and devotion. This translates into stronger worth for the company, as well as the workers.”
        You would have a point if the company voluntarily allowed that, and even then, only when it is better than the standard. Being forced to do it doesn’t give much respect.

        “It’s the empathetic side of a free market.”
        But it isn’t a free market if their hands are tied by the government.

        “(Plus, what’s wrong with just being a decent human being to other human
        beings who depend on you for their ability to just live and provide for
        their family?)”
        There’s nothing wrong with voluntarily being decent. There’s something VERY wrong with forcing people to do what YOU think is right. You are telling people that you know better than them, and they MUST take the financial hit/risk for another’s benefit in the hopes that you are right.

        • Kick Frenzy August 18th, 2015 at 00:59

          “Then perhaps she and her family should plan and budget before having a child.”
          Oh, so you’re saying a family should plan on not being employed if they want to have a baby?
          That they should save enough money so that they can quit their job/s, then be able to re-enter the workplace a few months – a year (or so) later.
          I could be wrong, but that sounds incredibly short-sighted.

          “You are talking about the benefits of breast milk. Not breast feeding. There are pumps.”
          While breast milk is important, it’s not the only thing I’m talking about.
          The physical contact between mother and child is just as important, medically speaking, as just having the milk.
          (For instance, the immune system benefits from physical contact as well as breast milk.)

          “You would have a point if the company voluntarily allowed that, and even then, only when it is better than the standard. Being forced to do it doesn’t give much respect.”
          Granted, I wasn’t thinking of the forced aspect as much as the willingness of a company to offer family leave on their own, regardless of legislation.
          So, you have a half a point here.

          “But it isn’t a free market if their hands are tied by the government.”
          True, but then… there is no such thing as a completely free market, by that standard.

          “There’s nothing wrong with voluntarily being decent. There’s something VERY wrong with forcing people to do what YOU think is right. You are telling people that you know better than them, and they MUST take the financial hit/risk for another’s benefit in the hopes that you are right.”

          The thing is… sometimes, some people DO know better than other people.
          Following your statement to it’s eventual conclusion, ANY law or regulation is just someone being snobby and saying they know better.
          OF COURSE some people know better than others in some situations.
          For instance, saying a parents decision should outweigh the opinion of a doctor is just dumb.
          That’s how you end up with kids who aren’t vaccinated, because their parents believe they might develop autism… then other kids end up dying because they contract something from the unvaccinated kids.

          When you’re the leader of a company, or a country, sometimes you have to make regulations/laws that apply to everyone because it’s not only good for them, but also good for the company… or country.
          Like, having a healthy country is better than having a diseased and dying country.

          We’re not talking about religious differences here.
          Nor are we talking about opinions.
          We’re talking about medical facts and proven socio-economic realities.

          Basically, what you’re arguing for is that people should be totally allowed to pursue making Idiocracy a reality.
          I’m not down with that.

          • TuMadre, Ph.D August 18th, 2015 at 09:08

            “Oh, so you’re saying a family should plan on not being employed if they want to have a baby?”

            I’m saying that if the vacation plan does not cover all the time off she wants to take, that she should be ok with an unpaid leave of absence for the time vacation and sick does not cover.

            “The physical contact between mother and child is just as important, medically speaking, as just having the milk.”
            True, but the contact does not have to be simultaneous to the milk. You can have hours of contact when you get home.

            “So, you have a half a point here.”
            Explain how I’m half wrong, please.

            “Following your statement to it’s eventual conclusion, ANY law or
            regulation is just someone being snobby and saying they know better.”
            Yes.

            “OF COURSE some people know better than others in some situations.”
            I sincerely doubt that a politician knows better than a parent.

            “For instance, saying a parents decision should outweigh the opinion of a doctor is just dumb.”
            Depends on the doctor, and when that decision appears abusive, there is a chance to remedy that in the court of law.

            “We’re talking about medical facts and proven socio-economic realities.”
            We are talking about facts that you can use to agree with your preconceived notions, and using those facts to infringe on the freedom of others, while completely ignoring/dismissing other facts.

            For example, there is no possibility as, on a whole, that single mothers can be considered good parents. Statistically speaking, they are TERRIBLE parents as a whole. Also statistically speaking, there is no single predictor of a negative or terrible outcome as a child than being raised by a single mother. It’s worse than being a minority. It’s worse than being poor. It’s worse than living in a disadvantaged neighborhood. The SINGLE most negative factor for a child’s outcome is to be raised by a single mother. Statistically speaking, each single mother sucks up tens of thousands of dollars of resources per year, they tend to clamor for even more, and their offspring tend to cause a LOT of social problems, with high rates of delinquency, crime, abuse, promiscuity, and, on top of all that single mothers tend to breed more single mothers. Yes, there are exceptions. But some people also smoke like a chimney, and never get cancer. Doesn’t mean you should smoke. And,to be fair, single fathers could be just as bad, but we don’t know because there are so few of them.

            That said, liberals are perfectly content ignoring THOSE facts, because those facts don’t agree with their preconceived notions. I, meanwhile, think that people should be free to do whatever they want, so long as they are not clawing money out of my paycheck. My issue with single motherhood has nothing to do with any of that, but rather that they expect me to support what boils down to a eugenics program, making the financially responsible/lucky pay for the financially irresponsible/unlucky.

            “Basically, what you’re arguing for is that people should be totally allowed to pursue making Idiocracy a reality.
            I’m not down with that.”

            No, that’s what liberals are trying to do, as I’ve just clearly laid out.

            Now, if we were a pro-live nation, where abortions were largely, if not entirely, outlawed, then yes; a parent would have every right to demand money for a child she did not want but was forced to have.

            But we aren’t, so the argument is not valid.

            • tracey marie August 18th, 2015 at 09:13

              then women without children should be given equal paid time off, fair is fair.

              • TuMadre, Ph.D August 18th, 2015 at 21:11

                As should men, both with and without children.

                Or you could stop forcing businesses to give people money they didn’t earn

                • Kick Frenzy August 19th, 2015 at 23:05

                  An employees worth is rooted in more than just their hourly work.
                  It’s also about how much they want to be at that job in the first place, because a happier employee is a more productive employee.
                  It’s also about dedication to the business, which makes for more hard-working and more honest employees… that also will talk up whatever the business is about, outside of work.

                  It’s not just empty dollars to support maternity (or paternity for that mater) leave.
                  It’s actually smart business.

                  (Not to mention better for the economy as a whole, but you must know that already.)

                  • TuMadre, Ph.D August 20th, 2015 at 00:15

                    I never argued whether it was dollar smart or not. I argued that the business should be free to make their own decisions, and take their own risks, as they are the one on the hook, financially.

                    • Kick Frenzy August 20th, 2015 at 01:00

                      Yeah, no.
                      What you’re talking about is allowing for slave labor and that has no part in a sentient and decent society.

                    • TuMadre, Ph.D August 20th, 2015 at 01:01

                      You have put words in my mouth. I have never insinuated that.

                    • Kick Frenzy August 20th, 2015 at 23:45

                      No, I’m not putting words in your mouth.

                      A business that can take the risk of paying rates that are under the poverty level is a business that is involved in slave labor.
                      Maybe not the same kind of slavery that comes to most peoples minds, but it is a sweatshop style of slave labor.

                      You are advocating for that by saying we shouldn’t raise the minimum wage and essentially saying a company should be allowed to pay as little as they want and the market will take care of it.

                      So, you formed those words yourself… even if they were just mouthed as other words were typed.

                    • TuMadre, Ph.D August 21st, 2015 at 00:29

                      No, you ARE putting words in my mouth, just like I would be putting words in your mouth by saying that you are advocating for slave labor by stating that the government should force money from the paycheck of other people, which boils down to them giving up a portion of their lives without receiving compensation for it, thus being forced to perform labor for free.

                      Don’t stoop to using emotionally charged words and terms. It most definitively is NOT slave labor, as the people still have the power to unionize, to vote with their wallet, and to refuse to take the job. Slaves have no such rights.

                    • Kick Frenzy August 22nd, 2015 at 01:16

                      Yeah, no.

                      As I said, I’m not saying “slavery” in terms of what once was legal in this country.
                      I’m using it in a looser term, to summarize working for a wage that’s well below where it should be, when compared to the rise in the cost of everything else while the minimum wage has stagnated and productivity has increased.

                      People with a full time, minimum wage job are well below poverty levels.
                      That has an element of slave wages to it.
                      Not as severe as slave labor, but it’s not decent or smart.

                      And advocating for those wages to persist is advocating for sub-par treatment of civilians.

            • Kick Frenzy August 19th, 2015 at 12:17

              I really don’t want to continue with walls of text going back and forth.
              So, instead of going point by point, I’ll just say a couple things.

              If the minimum wage were a living wage, those single mothers wouldn’t have to rely on assistance as heavily as they need to now.
              And if they could work 40 hours instead of having 3 jobs and still needing assistance, maybe there wouldn’t be such an issue with their kids being problematic, since they could be at home raising their kid.

              And maybe we should at least offer some kind of guaranteed paid maternity leave, if we want to continue to be the major world power that we are.
              Otherwise we’re just being short-sighted in areas ranging from economics to medical issues.
              Not to mention lagging embarrassingly far behind much of the developed world.
              Our lack of paid maternity leave is equal to 3 (THREE) other countries: Swaziland, Lesotho, Papua New Guinea.

              http://bonyata.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Paid_Maternity_Leave2012.png

              (If you’re looking for the USA, it’s on the bottom with no line, because it’s “zero”)

              • TuMadre, Ph.D August 19th, 2015 at 20:51

                You’re looking at this from the wrong angle. When you introduce more money into the market, without any increase in production, all you will do is devalue the dollar. For example, if the entire US GDP was 10 mints, and you had 10 dollars in circulation, then each mint would cost you one dollar.

                Now, if you still had 10 mints, but you made the total amount of money in the market 10,000 dollars, then each mint will cost 1,000 dollars. HOWEVER, if you were to increase production to 20 mints, and you still had only 10 dollars, then each dollar would be worth 2 mints.

                So when you say that if the minimum wage were a living wage, you are flat-out wrong. If you want a living wage, you want to reduce the amount of currency that is active in the system, while simultaneously increasing production. Throwing more money at the problem will just cause inflation, which will make every body’s wage worth less. The reason this hasn’t happened in Seattle is because Seattle is off-setting the increased costs on the rest of the nation, although I’m sure that rent has gone up due to this (as you can’t outsource rent to every other citizen in the US).

                If we want to continue to be the world power that we are, we need to vastly reduce welfare spending, stop writing blank checks to military contractors, stop being the world police, and bring production home. The US will not be able to project power from bankruptcy court.

                As for that chart… do you realize why the United States Dollar is the World’s Reserve Currency? For the first few months that I was learning all about it, I couldn’t understand why. I mean, we print off money all over the place, our economy isn’t all that strong, and hasn’t been for around 7 years. All things considered, whether it was Bush Jr. or Obama, our track record with money is pretty bad.

                Then it hit me: Yes, we are most certainly bad with our finances. But everyone else is worse. That’s why the US is the world’s reserve currency. If every a country that is able to equal the GDP of the US, while having a better fiscal policy, the US will lose that status, and all the benefits that we reap from it. Now, if you don’t like gas costing 2.50 per gallon, and milk costing 3.43 per gallon, and a kwH of electricity costing an average of 14.2 cents, then yeah, you can free up some of the money that already exists, but isn’t active in the market.

                • Kick Frenzy August 19th, 2015 at 22:55

                  *facepalm*

                  The thing is inflation is exactly why the minimum wage should be raised.
                  Everything, and I mean EVERYthing, has gone up due to inflation, while the minimum wage has remained stagnant.
                  People are working harder for less money per hour, when adjusting for the inflation in the cost of living.

                  Technically speaking, the minimum wage should be over $20/hr if kept up with inflation and productivity.
                  So, when Bernie Sanders (for instance) calls for a raise to $15/hr by 2020, it’s nowhere near far-fetched or devaluing the dollar.
                  If the cost of living had risen at the same rate as the minimum wage has, then it wouldn’t be as big of a deal and you would have a more salient point.

                  Unfortunately, that hasn’t been the case.
                  Instead we have people working harder and longer to afford less and less.

                  As for maternity leave, it’s not the burden you’re thinking it is.
                  I found a great article that explains a lot of details of the effects… and they’re demonstrably positive in several areas.
                  Too much to summarize, but worth the read:
                  http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/upshot/the-economic-benefits-of-paid-parental-leave.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0

                  • TuMadre, Ph.D August 20th, 2015 at 00:28

                    Read the entire article. None of it disputes what I have carefully explained to you. You have a point with inflation devaluing the minimum wage. This is mostly due to the money injected into the stock market by the fed. But when you have a gasoline-fed fire, the solution isn’t to pour more gasoline on it. It’s to cut off all gasoline.

                    The welfare needs to end at the corporate level, too. Products made outside of the States should face tariffs. And military needs to be limited to self defense.

                    Or, you can completely ignore all the consequences of government messing with the economy (shy of defending universal goods) up to this point, and think that more government will fix the problem.

                    I don’t mind much, either way. I’ve minimized my tax exposure (and will continue to do so unless the nation stops trying to make everything “fair”), and if minimum wage hikes up to 15/hr, I’ll just start taking advantage of the programs I would qualify for, since the poverty line will also raise in 12-24 months.

                    Oh, and as an afterthought, who do you think would be able to afford a minimum wage of 15 dollars: the evil, money-grubbing corporations, or the small business owner?

                    • Kick Frenzy August 20th, 2015 at 01:08

                      You read it one, I read it another.
                      You say “free market is great”, I say “but we shouldn’t allow slave labor/sweat shop conditions”.

                      We’re obviously not going to see eye to eye on this, at this point.
                      Although, it’d be cool if you did come around to anti-slave/sweatshop labor, as well as appreciating that a dwindling dollar does not make poor people welfare chasing lay-abouts… not to mention that kids of single mothers with 2 – 3 jobs are, of course, going to have a harder time getting a good upbringing.

                      But anyway… that’s the difference between conservative and liberal, I guess.

                    • TuMadre, Ph.D August 20th, 2015 at 01:24

                      “We shouldn’t allow slave labor/sweat shop conditions.”
                      Here’s the thing: you already do. Pretty much anything made in China could be qualified as that. The smartphone or computer you are using was more likely than not made/assembled in China (although you might have shopped around until you found something made in Taiwan, South Korea, or Japan, but stuff like that is increasingly rare).

                      Certain products don’t even have the option to be purchased with non-slave labor. Go look at where your microwave was made (there hasn’t been a single microwave made in the past 20-ish years in the US).

                      But by having an informed citizenry, who enforces their morals by voting with their wallets, businesses will be forced to be held to a higher standard, and that’s not even touching on OSHA and Haz-mat , which are no-doubt universal goods, although they may be over-reaching in some areas.

                      The solution isn’t to scream for government to fix it. It’s to be informed, and to take a stand, while encouraging the government to make it profitable for the US to be competitive in production by tariffing goods that are made with slave labor outside of our borders. After all, it’s not that you aren’t willing to vote with your wallet and pay a little bit more for US production, but rather that the option doesn’t even exist in a lot of areas. But when you look at things like the USDA organic food options, even Wal-mart has started offering them, because there is a group of informed people that want it, even if it does cost a little more!

                    • Kick Frenzy August 21st, 2015 at 00:08

                      First of all, when I’m talking about the minimum wage and slave labor, I’m talking about jobs in America… your China comparison is a red herring.
                      But, to be clear, I’m not a fan of slave labor anywhere.
                      Unfortunately, there’s only so many fights someone can effectively tackle at once and unsurprisingly, I can’t fix all of the worlds problems all alone.

                      My dumbphone (I don’t have a smartphone) was made in Korea.
                      My computer was assembled by a local computer store and has since been further mutated by my own hands (the parts inside are a different story, motherboard is from Japan I think).
                      I don’t own a microwave… just a toaster oven.
                      Your point is valid though, in that there are certain products that are nearly or totally impossible to find that are made in the USA.

                      “The solution isn’t to scream for government to fix it. It’s to be informed, and to take a stand, while encouraging the government…[snip]”

                      Wait, you said you can’t ask the government to fix anything, but then you want to encourage them.. to.. fix.. something?

                      Look, there is more than one way to address the issues we’re talking about.
                      One of them is by voting with our wallets, which I do to some degree (not shopping at Wal-Mart, avoiding foreign made products when possible, only buying American made cars, etc).
                      But another is, get ready for it… government involvement!

                      I can’t believe you would actually, seriously suggest that our country, which is run by the government, shouldn’t expect the government to fix anything about the country.
                      Do you realize how bass-ackwards that is?

                      I’m seriously boggled by your lack of comprehension of what the role of government is.
                      I’m not saying you don’t understand any of it, since your point about tariffs is another good point that could be used to help the situation.
                      But really… the argument that the government should not be involved in regulating how employers pay or treat their employees is an argument for anarchic corporate rule.

                      You may be fine with bowing to the corporate overlords, but I am not.

                    • TuMadre, Ph.D August 21st, 2015 at 00:50

                      “Your China comparison is a red herring.”
                      Oh, so you are saying slave labor is ok, so long as it isn’t happening in America, even if it means that companies will be sending jobs overseas to save money? Otherwise, you are completely fine with the thought of slave labor, so long as it doesn’t happen in your back yard.

                      And you are right, there are only so many fights you can have. Start with the important ones. Bring production jobs home FIRST, by making it so that companies can’t just fly away from whatever is decided, or else get ready for less and less production, and more and more service industry, meaning a smaller and smaller GDP.

                      I have a dumb phone, too! It is a casio phone. Being a Japanese company, I presumed that it would be made in Japan. But it wasn’t. I built my own computer, as well. The parts were made in China. And while you may not own a microwave oven, tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people do, and have no option but to purchase it via slave labor. Most toasters are made the same way.

                      The government exists solely to protect the rights of its citizenry. Passing a law to allow companies to cut jobs in the states, and rely on slave labor overseas, does not protect the rights of its citizenry in any way, shape, or form. Protecting jobs from foreign poaching, like roads, electricity, clean water, sewage, and even health care, is a universal good, and a universal good, while not free by necessity, is most certainly a right.

                      The alternative is to have products made in the country that will do it the cheapest, while having no say in their laws or policies, thus allowing desperate countries to create a class of slaves and infringe on THAT citizenry’s rights.

                      And I believed that I already stated my support for OSHA and HAZMAT regulations. That doesn’t mean that people should get special treatment for something they opted to do outside of work, like make a baby.

                      You seem to be confusing my libertarianism (which is minimal governmental intervention, simply to ensure/enforce the universal natural-born rights of each and every individual) with anarchy and corporatism. But Minarchism is not Anarchism, no matter how much others would like to dismiss it as such.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/025d430847044ff88f4ce365a48fad32586e23145d14b79e76a28fb649db0e69.png

                    • Kick Frenzy August 22nd, 2015 at 01:30

                      No, I’m not okay with slave labor anywhere.
                      The point is that I was discussing American jobs, their pay rate, and paid leave.
                      Bringing up other countries is deflecting from the main conversation, on purpose or not.

                      And what makes you think I don’t want jobs made here in America?
                      Of course I would prefer jobs coming back here.
                      I support incentives for “Made In USA” and removing incentives (maybe adding dis-incentives) from shipping jobs overseas.
                      That isn’t to say we shouldn’t shy away from being part of a global economy.

                      We should absolutely be a part of that.
                      But yeah, jobs here at home need more support.

                      The thing is, even if we have all the jobs here… it wouldn’t fix the problem of living in poverty if you work a full work week at minimum wage.
                      And having a populace unable to work its way out of poverty is not only shameful for a country like the USA, it’s a massive drain on the country as a whole.
                      A living wage would alleviate more than just poverty or grocery store earnings, it would positively affect almost every major sector.

                    • TuMadre, Ph.D August 21st, 2015 at 00:54

                      Oh, and in case you are wondering where that dot truly lays in comparison to others, here’s the 2012 presidential map. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/927a16a0664af25c69b5da9c69d1558ea396cfe17a4352343f04800fde8ef20d.png

                    • Kick Frenzy August 22nd, 2015 at 01:34

                      It would be interesting to know what the parameters are for those 4 states.
                      I mean, if Obama is that far right, what in the world is all the way at the left edge?!?
                      Hell, at this scale, the middle would be legalizing all drugs, an open border policy, a moratorium on oil production and free Surface tablets for everyone!

                      lol

        • whatthe46 August 18th, 2015 at 01:15

          “They are both medical conditions that one chooses to enter into, whether there is a stigma to it or not.” yet you are “pro-life” and “pro-who gives a flying fk.” have a baby because “abortion” is wrong, but, once the baby is born, get your ass to work and fk the bonding and caring of your own, ’cause we repukes don’t. you are pro force for a woman to have a child, yet, you blame her for getting pregant. ain’t that a bitch?!

          • TuMadre, Ph.D August 18th, 2015 at 08:48

            You are putting words in my mouth. I am specifically pro-choice, because I want you to have both the freedom and the responsibility. I don’t want anything to do with your life. You might refer to the first post I made, where I said, “I agree with Bernie on the right to control (and subsequent responsibility).”

            I also agreed about gay marriage, to a degree.

            I don’t want to be with anyone who would ever consider having an abortion for any reason shy of rape, but that does not mean that a woman should not have the right to do it. My morals do not need to be forced on you.

  7. rg9rts August 16th, 2015 at 06:31

    The gopee talks a good show but denies it to everyone…proving once again …in the gopee lexicon…some of us are more equal than others

  8. jybarz August 16th, 2015 at 06:47

    Spot on on every count, Bernie!
    Repukes’ family value is so low, so mean and so hypocritical.
    Repukes talk through their asses and act like asses!

  9. allison1050 August 16th, 2015 at 06:52

    Uh oh Hillary, you better get with it.

    • shindigg August 16th, 2015 at 09:08

      She’s doing great too! Hammerin’ the reich wing con jobs….

  10. allison1050 August 16th, 2015 at 07:17

    Oh I hadn’t realized that they had family values so maybe I’d better check with the Duggar family or the Swaggart’s or ….

  11. William August 16th, 2015 at 09:49

    The republican family values myth is just as laughable as their small government fantasy.

  12. robert August 16th, 2015 at 20:54

    bernie made an awesome speech

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/videos/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/08/15/31788743/

    feel the BERN

    • Kick Frenzy August 17th, 2015 at 23:38

      That was awesome!
      And I swear the crowd was twice as big as any other person on that soapbox!

      • robert August 17th, 2015 at 23:55

        it sure looked very crowded for the bern

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