The heat in the war between the Ku Klux Klan and Anonymous just got turned up another notch. Ever since the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (TAKKKK) threatened to use “lethal force” against peaceful African-American protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, the hacktivist collective has been decimating the KKK. From taking down Klan web sites,…
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Bunya November 23rd, 2014 at 14:47
I agree with you. Now I’m no KKK sympathizer, but If we allow personal information to be distributed for all to see, the religious haters can use this instance as an excuse to energize their nut job base by passing out personal information on doctors and planned parenthood employees.
Spirit of America November 23rd, 2014 at 14:54
Good example
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 15:24
they already do that. They protest in front of the doctors and nurses homes
Kick Frenzy November 23rd, 2014 at 15:26
They’re just as dangerous as the KKK.
Kick Frenzy November 23rd, 2014 at 15:25
I believe there’s a big difference between the KK and everyone else involved.
The KKK are the only ones who threatened to kill people and have shown racist fueled hatred in their words.
Let’s ask this… if a group of Americans formed an IS cell in America and threatened to go shoot people who get rowdy, should we just roll over and say “Hey, free speech and all that”?
Would you be supportive of a group that identifies them, but makes no death threats back?
There are a lot of angles to this and while what Anonymous is doing is a slippery slope, we’re not dealing with the Boy Scouts vs the group of kids at the corner store.
I applaud efforts to destroy the KKK, they have no business existing at all; however, despite what I’ve said already, I do have some reservations about how they’re achieving that goal.
Spirit of America November 23rd, 2014 at 15:49
Death threats are handled by the police/fbi & such, not an unregulated, multi-national group w/out any oversight/control, by anyone.
And it isn’t a slippery slope, anon has already broke the law. Again, one either believes in the rule of law all the time for everyone, or not. It isn’t a pick & choose cause by that very action you throw justice out the door. And remember, how you feel about the kkk there are others who will think about your group and use your exact same argument.
Kick Frenzy November 23rd, 2014 at 16:07
Well, no, there aren’t… at least not with any level of sanity.
None of my groups are threatening to kill the members of the other group(s), while those on that side not only threaten to kill those on my side, but do.
That being said, I agree that breaking the law is breaking the law.
Personally, I find the laws the KKK breaks more egregious than those that Anonymous breaks, but it doesn’t make any of it legal.
I certainly don’t advocate for revealing home addresses or social security numbers.
But shutting down their Twitter/Facebook/Other sites doesn’t really rub me the wrong way.
Does a domestic terrorist deserve equal protection or is it acceptable for a citizen to try to stop their terrorism?
When someone hacks another persons/groups internet account and reveals identities of terrorists for the purpose of saving lives, is that still against the law or does it fall under self-defense?
Spirit of America November 23rd, 2014 at 21:16
“Well, no, there aren’t… at least not with any level of sanity.”
I take it you mean the police/fbi.. then my view is jump on them to do their job, not allow an outside, non-regulated force do their thing.
“But shutting down their Twitter/Facebook/Other sites doesn’t really rub me the wrong way.”
What happens if as in someone’s example below, the anti-abortion people shut down pro-abortion accounts say because they have some great IT wing of that group… if the pro-abortion people said “hey, it is cool what anon did to kkk”, should they then want protection against their problem?
“Does a domestic terrorist deserve equal protection…”
Keep in mind, many actual terrorists(deeds being done) get full protection, e.g. many of the capture/trial/sentences already handed out.
Our system works only if it is employed all the time, across the board. It may be this tie it is against a (morally) deserving group, but next time because all didn’t speak against it, it will be done against all eventually.
(good discussion btw)
Kick Frenzy November 23rd, 2014 at 21:34
(Agreed, good discussion.)
With the “no, there aren’t…sanity” comment, I was talking about how the KKK couldn’t claim the same argument against Anonymous.
As in, Anonymous haven’t threatened violence or death, while the KKK have (and obviously are guilty of murders throughout the past several decades).
The example given is a bad one, as again it’s a group of people (anti-abortion/anti-choice) who are guilty of murdering other people from teh pro-choice side.
But I get the point… what happens when the people on the receiving end are the good guys and the bad guys are destroying their online presence.
And that’s part of what I agree is a dangerous side to all of this.
I think maybe a good answer to the KKK issue is to have a registry like pedophiles have to register on.
Then they have to walk around the neighborhood, “Hello. I’m a member of the KKK and am required by law to let you know there is someone affiliated with a racist hate group, guilty of large amounts of murder, that lives in your neighborhood.”
Spirit of America November 23rd, 2014 at 22:40
“I think maybe a good answer to the KKK issue…”
Interesting idea.
Spirit of America November 24th, 2014 at 10:39
Here it is already growing… and keep in mind, this time some people in cleveland (innocent civilians mind you) were adversely affected because they couldn’t do their business… they either had to wait or do by phone…
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_city_website_shutdow.html#incart_m-rpt-1
and this is just after the event, not even a full story line yet, they just jumped the gun….
Kick Frenzy November 25th, 2014 at 00:28
If this really is Anonymous, I’m disappointed.
(I’ve seen suggestions that this may not really be them, just a couple people using the name.)
I don’t think the officer acted the right way, but I do think the justice system should be given a chance.
You can’t say you’re attacking a broken system when you don’t know if the part you’re attacking is broken yet.
It does seem a bit amateurish for Anonymous… to my untrained eye anyway.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 18:37
the kkk are a terrorist organization, period
Spirit of America November 24th, 2014 at 10:39
Here it is already growing… and keep in mind, this time some people in
cleveland (innocent civilians mind you) were adversely affected because
they couldn’t do their business… they either had to wait or do by
phone…
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_city_website_shutdow.html#incart_m-rpt-1
and this is just after the event, not even a full story line yet, they just jumped the gun…. and the cleveland police isn’t a terrorist organization..
tracey marie November 24th, 2014 at 12:50
how do you know they are not, racists and killers do make a terrorist
Spirit of America November 24th, 2014 at 13:42
oh good lord, now it is ok to hack police & city sites, harming the citizens as well??!! Not to mention how do you know the police dept is either, racist or killers?
tracey marie November 24th, 2014 at 13:53
darren was fired with the entire jenning Police dept for…wait for it, violence, racism and corruption.
Spirit of America November 24th, 2014 at 15:11
So I guess it can be handled with, wait forrrrr it… the proper route, not vigilante foreign groups denying innocent citizens of services.
But again, that doesn’t in any way mean cleveland pd is, not one bit of evidence yet. And yet they already have been tried and punished, as well as their citizens.
Why have any laws at all?
tracey marie November 24th, 2014 at 16:05
kkk memebers are NOT innocent
Spirit of America November 24th, 2014 at 17:47
I see the problem, we’re discussing 2 different things… I asked what happens when they get out of control(anon), then I posted a link showing what they did to the cleveland people(did you visit the link), then I’m discussing anon over stepping their bounds, you think I’m talking about the kkk.
Look at the link, I’m talking about the people of cleveland being denied services cause of what anon just did to their city site.
Spirit of America November 24th, 2014 at 10:40
Here it is already growing… and keep in mind, this time some people in
cleveland (innocent civilians mind you) were adversely affected because
they couldn’t do their business… they either had to wait or do by
phone…
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_city_website_shutdow.html#incart_m-rpt-1
and this is just after the event, not even a full story line yet, they just jumped the gun….
Spirit of America November 24th, 2014 at 11:40
Here it is already growing… and keep in mind, this time some people in
cleveland (innocent civilians mind you) were adversely affected because
they couldn’t do their business… they either had to wait or do by
phone…
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_city_website_shutdow.html#incart_m-rpt-1
and this is just after the event, not even a full story line yet, they just jumped the gun….