Police Don’t Shoot And Kill Violent White Man At Walmart
For those following the story of John Crawford III, the Ohio man who was shot to death by police while holding a toy gun in a Walmart store earlier this month, an incident at a South Carolina Walmart provides a stark study in contrasts. Crawford was unarmed, save the air rifle he’d picked up from the store shelves and was reportedly pointing at the floor, and according to a family attorney who has seen surveillance video of the incident, police shot Crawford “on sight.”
Meanwhile, police in Greenville, South Carolina are taking heat over the amount of force they used to subdue Sandon Sierad, a 32 year-old white male who reportedly tried to steal a cash register, “terrorized” customers in the store, led police on a foot chase, and made three attempts to grab a deputy’s weapon. After he was repeatedly tased, and tried to pull the taser probes out, the deputies managed to cuff him, but only after they were caught on cellphone video putting a pretty excessive-looking (and meaty-sounding) beating on him:
The deputy seen punching Sandon has been placed on administrative leave, and his use of force is under investigation.
Of course, the biggest difference here is…READ MORE
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By: Tommy Christopher
Tommy Christopher is The Daily Banter's White House Correspondent and Political Analyst. He's been a political reporter and liberal commentator since 2007, and has covered the White House since the beginning of the Obama administration, first for PoliticsDaily, and then for Mediaite. Christopher is a frequent guest on a variety of television, radio, and online programs, and was the villain in the documentaries The Audacity of Democracy and Hating Breitbart. He's also That Guy Who Live-Tweeted His Own Heart Attack, and the only person to have ever received public apologies from both Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
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tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 19:13
This guy wasn’t a stationary target as was Mr. Crawford. Clearly, they had no justification for killing him and should be indicted and tried for his death. The cops were busy chasing and restraining him, so the circumstances seem very different. Are we implicitly calling for cops to use excessive force every time they are called?
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 19:30
I’d call this one borderline passing muster. You’re right, it’s completely different from the Crawford situation. They attempted to arrest him, there was no question he knew this and attempted to evade and resist arrest. He deserved a little of that beatdown, in the end they used a number of resources and he was clearly dangerous. If this were as “over-zealous” as arrests go, it would be a vast improvement.
edmeyer_able August 28th, 2014 at 19:38
Still amazing they didn’t use pepper spray or tazers.
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 19:45
They did taze him he just tried pulling the the thingys out.
edmeyer_able August 28th, 2014 at 19:51
oops
mea_mark August 28th, 2014 at 20:22
When you outnumber the opponent, one person should do a leg sweep and go down with the opponent and the free person should cuff or restrain the downed opponent. At least that seems like the ‘friendliest’ way to subdue an adversary. Problem is, it requires someone to make a sacrifice and go down with the opponent and LE’s today do not sacrifice like they used to do. Nowadays they like to beat up on those they see beneath them and will do it in as a great numbers as think they can get away with. Compassion is fading fast from our police departments as they become detached from the community and see themselves as separate from the community and more as lords and masters.
granpa.usthai August 28th, 2014 at 21:00
probably picked up a lot of that bad behavior and feeling of superiority from the white racist that have been slowly infiltrating their ranks?
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 21:26
I am not crazy about the punching, but at least they did try many times and many ways to get him to be compliant – but mostly – he was committing a crime and he was placing others in jeopardy.
M D Reese August 28th, 2014 at 20:56
That’s a fact. I recently watched a video of police in the UK taking down a crazy man who was brandishing a large machete at them. All they had was some body armor and batons—oh, and PATIENCE. A few cops kept the man preoccupied while more cops showed up, and they just swarmed and subdued him without killing him.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:21
That requires police without ADHD issues!
M D Reese August 30th, 2014 at 20:10
Something else I noticed is that a lot of them were women.
tiredoftea August 30th, 2014 at 20:30
Yes, the U.K. is way ahead of us in good policing and knowing the difference between police and military.
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:15
I am beginning to believe Tommy Christopher doesn’t think that far ahead when he writes articles.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:22
When you’re building page views from the outrage, truth goes out the window.
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:26
Why do we as liberals continue to stand up for cherry picked stories like this? Would we ever accept this type of analogy from the right wing?
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:34
We shouldn’t and we don’t. But, we are all susceptible to having our bells wrung from the low hanging fruit, despite how it doesn’t help anything.
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:36
Wise words @tiredoftea:disqus . They will make me look so cool when I steal them from you!
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:37
I get things taken from me all the time!
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:40
Well if you just leave them out their on the internet for anyone to use . . . it’s a bit of low hanging fruit and I have to pluck it.
*Puts on sunglasses on and drives away while repeating “bells wrung from the low hanging fruit” over and over again until it sounds good in my voice.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:56
Words, no problem! I’ve had more intimate, shall we say, items removed by some of the more senior mods here. Makes dating a real challenge, if you know what I mean!
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 23:01
Oh stop whining about your weenie! When you get to be my age you won’t need it anyway. It just got you into trouble before @anomaly100 took it. Amiright?
tiredoftea August 29th, 2014 at 00:23
Its just that I miss it when I shower!
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 09:04
I’ve seen the pickle jar. I know.
tiredoftea August 29th, 2014 at 12:35
Until there’s DNA evidence, and I’m not submitting mine, only Anomaly and Carla know for sure.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 08:48
I’m not sure I understand the criticism, but if you’d care to elaborate, I’m listening. You did actually go and read the rest of it, right?
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 09:31
I don’t quite get it either. I would also like to hear some elaboration.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 11:01
Unless by “cherry-picked” they mean “picked.” That’s what news commentators do, they pick stories to commentate on. I picked this one because of its clear similarity to another recent, prominent news stories, and the equally clear and illustrative contrasts.
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 12:13
It made total sense to me, I just don’t get Eric’s criticism, I think he is being hyper critical without really explaining what it is he thinks is wrong. Journalism should promote thought, linking events to show context is a good way to promote further thought.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 12:26
Me? Hyper critical? Perish the thought lol.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 12:56
Maybe I was reading the article as an op-ed in stead of in it’s intended voice. In hindsight, perhaps, it was meant as a stream of consciousness, personal reflection, as apposed to a hard opinion piece. That may have led me to hold it to a higher standard than I should have. If so and this was meant as a personal blog I am sorry.
I understand the need to keep internet articles short and snappy in the age of Twitter. Sometimes, though that leads to conclusions that aren’t supported by the facts presented in the article.
For instance the conclusion “their [unarmed black shooting victims] mere existence is threat enough to draw deadly force,” is linked to the Renisha McBride murder case. It is then followed by “Deadly force is not the end of the road for police encounters with black people, it is the on-ramp. After centuries of conditioning that black people are potential threats, it’s going to take mpre [sic] than some re-training and re-equipping to take care of this problem.” In an OP-ED this would be considered a sloppy juxtaposition.
McBride wasn’t killed by police. She was killed by a homeowner Ted Wafer, when she knocked on his door for help. Wafer was convicted of 2nd degree murder. So how do the two relate? When I said cherry picking (an overly harsh phrase that embarrasses me in retrospect), that’s what I am referring to.
Similar tactics in the body of the article also brought about my ire. The facts of Crawford’s case and this case were similar enough to justify the article, that I concede. What I don’t see in the article is facts that justify the conclusion regarding “centuries of conditioning that black people are potential threats.” We as readers are just to assume this is true and relates to the case above. To me this is the same trick they use on Breitbart, what Stephen Colbert called “truthiness.” I have a hard time calling out the Right for using these types of writing tactics and saying it’s OK as long as the writer is someone I agree with.
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 13:25
It probably would of read better like this –
{[It appears,] After centuries of conditioning that black people are potential threats, it’s going to take more than some re-training and re-equipping to take care of this problem.}
That was kind of how I read it when I read it the first time. I more or less wrote it off as something that wasn’t caught in the proofreading. I make mistakes like that sometimes and don’t catch it till later. Don’t know for sure but that’s my opinion.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 16:13
Well, the Renisha McBride article I linked to is about the view of black people as de facto threats, and itself references a large body of work I’ve written on the subject.
You’re right, Renisha McBride wasn’t shot by police, but deadly force certainly was used against her, force that springs from the same well of panic that killed Eric Garner, for example, or Mr. Crawford.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 13:03
In my defense I had spent time on Breitbart and the The National Review for an article I am working on about film critic Armond White. The sloppy writing tactics on the Right probably made me a bit more sensitive than I should have been when I returned to my happy Liberaland home.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 13:06
I agree. I was trying to keep it short and to the point. I don’t think the facts in your article justify the conclusions in it. That is my opinion. I should have written that instead but I chose instead to be snarky. For that I apologize.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 16:15
And for my part, on certain subjects, I assume a certain familiarity with my ongoing writing on the part of my readers.
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 09:04
Are these also the same cops who shot Crawford? If it’s a different precinct, behaving in a different manner, it’s really hard to create a correlation of racism. If it were the same cops — or even the same department — with a history of shooting stationary black men with candy bars while going out of their way to subdue dangerous white men, then, yes, a case can be built.
tiredoftea August 29th, 2014 at 12:34
I thought these incidents were in different states? But, yes, point taken.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 19:13
This guy wasn’t a stationary target as was Mr. Crawford. Clearly, they had no justification for killing him and should be indicted and tried for his death. The cops were busy chasing and restraining him, so the circumstances seem very different. Are we implicitly calling for cops to use excessive force every time they are called?
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 19:30
I’d call this one borderline passing muster. You’re right, it’s completely different from the Crawford situation. They attempted to arrest him, there was no question he knew this and attempted to evade and resist arrest. He deserved a little of that beatdown, in the end they used a number of resources and he was clearly dangerous. If this were as “over-zealous” as arrests go, it would be a vast improvement.
edmeyer_able August 28th, 2014 at 19:38
Still amazing they didn’t use pepper spray or tazers.
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 19:45
They did taze him he just tried pulling the the thingys out.
edmeyer_able August 28th, 2014 at 19:51
oops Save for the choke hold that was put on Eric Garner the grab from behind seems a more effective take down of an individual than repeated punches to the skull or throat, but then I haven’t been involved in very many altercations.
mea_mark August 28th, 2014 at 20:22
When you outnumber the opponent, one person should do a leg sweep and go down with the opponent and the free person should cuff or restrain the downed opponent. At least that seems like the ‘friendliest’ way to subdue an adversary. Problem is, it requires someone to make a sacrifice and go down with the opponent and LE’s today do not sacrifice like they used to do. Nowadays they like to beat up on those they see beneath them and will do it in as a great numbers as think they can get away with. Compassion is fading fast from our police departments as they become detached from the community and see themselves as separate from the community and more as lords and masters.
granpa.usthai August 28th, 2014 at 21:00
probably picked up a lot of that bad behavior and feeling of superiority from the white racist that have been slowly infiltrating their ranks?
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 21:26
I am not crazy about the punching, but at least they did try many times and many ways to get him to be compliant – but mostly – he was committing a crime and he was placing others in jeopardy.
M D Reese August 28th, 2014 at 20:56
That’s a fact. I recently watched a video of police in the UK taking down a crazy man who was brandishing a large machete at them. All they had was some body armor and batons—oh, and PATIENCE. A few cops kept the man preoccupied while more cops showed up, and they just swarmed and subdued him without killing him.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:21
That requires police without ADHD issues!
M D Reese August 30th, 2014 at 20:10
Something else I noticed is that a lot of them were women.
tiredoftea August 30th, 2014 at 20:30
Yes, the U.K. is way ahead of us in good policing and knowing the difference between police and military.
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:15
I am beginning to believe Tommy Christopher doesn’t think that far ahead when he writes articles.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:22
When you’re building page views from the outrage, truth goes out the window.
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:26
Why do we as liberals continue to stand up for cherry picked stories like this? Would we ever accept this type of analogy from the right wing?
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:34
We shouldn’t and we don’t. But, we are all susceptible to having our bells wrung from the low hanging fruit, despite how it doesn’t help anything.
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:36
Wise words @tiredoftea:disqus . They will make me look so cool when I steal them from you!
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:37
I get things taken from me all the time!
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:40
Well if you just leave them out their on the internet for anyone to use . . . it’s a bit of low hanging fruit and I have to pluck it.
*Puts on sunglasses on and drives away while repeating “bells wrung from the low hanging fruit” over and over again until it sounds good in my voice.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:56
Words, no problem! I’ve had more intimate, shall we say, items removed by some of the more senior mods here. Makes dating a real challenge, if you know what I mean!
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 23:01
Oh stop whining about your weenie! When you get to be my age you won’t need it anyway. It just got you into trouble before @anomaly100 took it. Amiright?
tiredoftea August 29th, 2014 at 00:23
Its just that I miss it when I shower!
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 09:04
I’ve seen the pickle jar. I know.
tiredoftea August 29th, 2014 at 12:35
Until there’s DNA evidence, and I’m not submitting mine, only Anomaly and Carla know for sure.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 08:48
I’m not sure I understand the criticism, but if you’d care to elaborate, I’m listening. You did actually go and read the rest of it, right?
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 09:31
I don’t quite get it either. I would also like to hear some elaboration.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 11:01
Unless by “cherry-picked” they mean “picked.” That’s what news commentators do, they pick stories to commentate on. I picked this one because of its clear similarity to another recent, prominent news stories, and the equally clear and illustrative contrasts.
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 12:13
It made total sense to me, I just don’t get Eric’s criticism, I think he is being hyper critical without really explaining what it is he thinks is wrong. Journalism should promote thought, linking events to show context is a good way to promote further thought.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 12:26
Me? Hyper critical? Perish the thought lol.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 12:56
Maybe I was reading the article as an op-ed instead of in it’s intended voice. In hindsight, perhaps, it was meant as a stream of consciousness, personal reflection, as apposed to a hard opinion piece. That may have led me to hold it to a higher standard than I should have. If so, and this was meant as a personal blog. I am sorry.
I understand the need to keep internet articles short and snappy in the age of Twitter. Sometimes, though that leads to conclusions that aren’t supported by the facts presented in the article.
For instance the conclusion “their [unarmed black shooting victims] mere existence is threat enough to draw deadly force,” is linked to the Renisha McBride murder case. It is then followed by “Deadly force is not the end of the road for police encounters with black people, it is the on-ramp. After centuries of conditioning that black people are potential threats, it’s going to take mpre [sic] than some re-training and re-equipping to take care of this problem.” In an OP-ED this would be considered a sloppy juxtaposition.
McBride wasn’t killed by police. She was killed by homeowner Ted Wafer, when she knocked on his door for help. Wafer was convicted of 2nd degree murder. So how do the two relate? When I said cherry picking (an overly harsh phrase that embarrasses me in retrospect), that’s what I was referring to.
Similar tactics in the body of the article also brought about my ire. The facts of Crawford’s case and this case were similar enough to justify the article, that I concede. What I don’t see in the article is facts that justify the conclusion regarding “centuries of conditioning that black people are potential threats.” We as readers are just to assume this is true and relates to the case above. To me this is the same trick they use on Breitbart. It’s what Stephen Colbert called “truthiness.” I have a hard time calling out the Right for using these types of writing tactics and saying it’s OK as long as the writer is someone I agree with.
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 13:25
It probably would of read better like this –
{[It appears,] After centuries of conditioning that black people are potential threats, it’s going to take more than some re-training and re-equipping to take care of this problem.}
That was kind of how I read it when I read it the first time. I more or less wrote it off as something that wasn’t caught in the proofreading. I make mistakes like that sometimes and don’t catch it till later. Don’t know for sure but that’s my opinion.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 16:13
Well, the Renisha McBride article I linked to is about the view of black people as de facto threats, and itself references a large body of work I’ve written on the subject.
You’re right, Renisha McBride wasn’t shot by police, but deadly force certainly was used against her, force that springs from the same well of panic that killed Eric Garner, for example, or Mr. Crawford.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 13:03
In my defense I had spent time on Breitbart and the The National Review for an article I am working on about film critic Armond White. The sloppy writing tactics on the Right probably made me a bit more sensitive than I should have been when I returned to my happy Liberaland home.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 13:06
I agree. I was trying to keep it short and to the point. I don’t think the facts in your article justify the conclusions in it. That is my opinion. I should have written that instead but I chose instead to be snarky. For that I apologize.
Tommy Christopher August 29th, 2014 at 16:15
And for my part, on certain subjects, I assume a certain familiarity with my ongoing writing on the part of my readers.
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 09:04
Are these also the same cops who shot Crawford? If it’s a different precinct, behaving in a different manner, it’s really hard to create a correlation of racism. If it were the same cops — or even the same department — with a history of shooting stationary black men with candy bars while going out of their way to subdue dangerous white men, then, yes, a case can be built.
tiredoftea August 29th, 2014 at 12:34
I thought these incidents were in different states? But, yes, point taken.
raincheck August 28th, 2014 at 20:03
The video has been taken down
raincheck August 28th, 2014 at 20:03
The video has been taken down
Chinese Democracy August 28th, 2014 at 20:13
holster your weapons boys, hes one of ours
Chinese Democracy August 28th, 2014 at 20:13
holster your weapons boys, hes one of ours
KB723 August 28th, 2014 at 20:34
At least they (cops) Lumped him up a bit….
KB723 August 28th, 2014 at 20:34
At least they (cops) Lumped him up a bit….
granpa.usthai August 28th, 2014 at 20:56
and yet another example of how all violence could be avoided simply by arming a local BLACK unregulated militia with military grade armaments. Had about 500 been casually strolling through Wal Mart with their weapons locked and loaded, this white criminal thug would have most likely been a lot better behaved thereby avoiding the entire incident, and the shopping could have been as stress free as Clivens Kows grazing illegally on Federal land.
Heavily armed BLACK unregulated militias with Military grade weapons like the missing ones at Nevada is the answer to ALL our social ills. Support your local heavily armed BLACK unregulated militias today by contacting the US Congress and letting them know that the arming of WHITE unregulated militias with missing Military grade weapons designated to local LE’s has not done a damn thing to ensure domestic tranquility, but arming BLACK unregulated militias with like Military grade weapons will.!.
LikeSwine69 . August 28th, 2014 at 21:10
WTF? Why is everything race with you liberals? Paired with conspiracy insanity, your racist rant shows why blacks are in the shape they’re in. How about simply keeping your cool, use your head and here’s the biggest issue: It’s not about you!!!
majii August 28th, 2014 at 21:33
Not everything is linked to race, LS. The propensity for law enforcement and the court system to deal more harshly with some individuals has been well-documented. Why do you suppose this is the case?
“Unequal Justice Under the Law.” “Racial Inequities in the Justice System.”
by Clarence M. Dunnaville, Jr.
“The unequal treatment of minorities in the criminal justice system is
one of the most serious problems facing America in the new millennium.”
http://www.vsb.org/docs/valawyermagazine/dec00dunnaville.pdf
“Black Students Face More Discipline, Data Suggests.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/education/black-students-face-more-harsh-discipline-data-shows.html
Constitutional Rights Foundation:”The researchers found that black defendants seemed to be treated more harshly than whites.”
http://www.crf-usa.org/brown-v-board-50th-anniversary/the-color-of-justice.html
The research documenting the fact that minorities are treated worse than whites is extensive.
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 21:35
Not everything, just racist behavior. It is not right to stay silent in the face discrimination, or the violation of civil rights. We are a civilized society, we believe in rules – rules that should apply to all, equally.
Silence is to condone the behavior, that is not a legacy I want to leave my grandchildren. Standing up and speaking out in the benefit of others is what makes us human, excusing or ignoring it is contemptible.
RioBravoHombre August 28th, 2014 at 22:23
To quote Nigel Tufnel, of Spinal Tap: “Well…that’s just nitpicking then, isn’t it?”
crc3 August 29th, 2014 at 11:10
Great post!!!
RioBravoHombre August 28th, 2014 at 22:26
“Why is everything race with you liberals?”
That’s the cutest, most adorable thing I’ve read all day. Can you dress yourself yet, and go potty on your lonesome?
whatthe46 August 28th, 2014 at 22:40
you like to 69 with swine? WTF.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 02:06
Tell the people who are left, of our tribe, that.
See how it flies.
And it IS about us. And race. Ask all the indigenous people who used to live in CA, but were “genocided” off the planet…. oh wait/ they are ALL DEAD…. so you cant ask them.
Now go back and marinate in your Caucasian privilege, K?
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 02:43
I would love to see a Tea Party member stand up and say that that the ethnic cleansing of the autochthonous people of this country as an example of government over reach. Why don’t they? Are they really so racist? Are they really so closed minded that they have to defend the worst excesses of Executive power in order to keep their ideal of privilege?
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 02:52
Have gone around and around with many people; in coffee houses, on line, and elsewhere, about the real deep history of the indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere; have tried to talk with all kinds of different people.
Conclusion: Cannot have a discussion. Why? Because most people have no idea what actually occurred. Let alone why.
Moreover, beyond history/fact free-ism, is the dangerous history revision by the likes of Barton, Bryan Fischer and Hollywood nonsensical false stereotypes.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 03:07
AFA is a hate group. No one I know (even the most die-hard conservatives) think any different. As far as stereotypes go they only get worse as more time passes after the massacres. That isn’t just a conservative issue. I have as many liberal friends who wish to ignore history and say things like “just move on,” out of political ease. They aren’t racists per se. They are just so used to white privilege that they don’t even understand that it came at the cost of of millions of people’s lives.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 03:08
Indeed.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 03:10
Some people do not realize that every square inch of what now comprises the nation-state of the United States…. was in one way or another, stolen.
Including AL and HI.
It just is what it is.
Canada and Mexico, likewise
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 09:01
As were several square inches of Europe.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 09:26
of course
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 03:07
If teaparty-ers actually had to face what really happened – as with slavery- It would collapse their house-of cards myth of the GREAT AMERICA.
(And no, any other poster: dont post to me about how I “hate America”; as I dont hate or love any nation-state. What an utter waste of energy that would be.)
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 03:18
It’s funny because the people like Bill O’Reilly who told us to ‘sit down and shut up’ during the Iraq war, now admit it was a mistake without a hint of irony about the fact that they now agree with our position they told us to sit down and shut up about.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 08:40
Oh….The names I was called, and the threats I reveived when I adamantly opposed the invasion of Afghanistan.
I remember Oct. 7th, 2001, listening to Rumsfeld on C-Span, announcing the invasion.
Furthermore/ I knew who these PNAC guys were, from WAY back, in 1998, and when the Bush admin. came in- I thought, “they’ll start a war somewhere”.
I recall, sitting up when hearing Rumsfeld, and thinking: “No! Don’t ! The US will be there for 15-20 yrs., leave and then Afghanistan will revert back to the same situ, like before the invasion and occupation. After a LOT of $ and blood spilled.”
WELL ??
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 08:58
As long as there are lots of ignorant fools, history will repeat itself over and over. It’s really not hard to see, it’s just hard to change.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 09:09
Oh, make no mistake: for MANY it is hard to see/ADMIT.
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 09:25
Well, it is hard to see if you don’t want to see it but it isn’t hard to see if you want to. I guess I should of worded it better.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 11:39
:-)))
Be well!
gentlemanjim1951 October 17th, 2014 at 10:56
hit me back G. I am blocked on mm so I can’t hail you. Jim
Roy Blankenship August 29th, 2014 at 15:05
As soon as you define yourself by saying, “You liberals”, you have lost the argument. KMA.
M D Reese August 28th, 2014 at 21:12
I got a kick out of the armed black open carry guys marching in Texas. It’s just like the religious freedom thing–the right wing never considers the fact that it works both ways.
granpa.usthai August 28th, 2014 at 20:56
and yet another example of how all violence could be avoided simply by arming a local BLACK unregulated militia with military grade armaments. Had about 500 been casually strolling through Wal Mart with their weapons locked and loaded, this white criminal thug would have most likely been a lot better behaved thereby avoiding the entire incident, and the shopping could have been as stress free as Clivens Kows grazing illegally on Federal land.
Heavily armed BLACK unregulated militias with Military grade weapons like the missing ones at Nevada is the answer to ALL our social ills. Support your local heavily armed BLACK unregulated militias today by contacting the US Congress and letting them know that the arming of WHITE unregulated militias with missing Military grade weapons designated to local LE’s has not done a damn thing to ensure domestic tranquility, but arming BLACK unregulated militias with like Military grade weapons will.!.
LikeSwine69 . August 28th, 2014 at 21:10
WTF? Why is everything race with you liberals? Paired with conspiracy insanity, your racist rant shows why blacks are in the shape they’re in. How about simply keeping your cool, use your head and here’s the biggest issue: It’s not about you!!!
majii August 28th, 2014 at 21:33
Not everything is linked to race, LS. The propensity for law enforcement and the court system to deal more harshly with some individuals has been well-documented. Why do you suppose this is the case?
“Unequal Justice Under the Law.” “Racial Inequities in the Justice System.”
by Clarence M. Dunnaville, Jr.
“The unequal treatment of minorities in the criminal justice system is
one of the most serious problems facing America in the new millennium.”
http://www.vsb.org/docs/valawyermagazine/dec00dunnaville.pdf
“Black Students Face More Discipline, Data Suggests.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/education/black-students-face-more-harsh-discipline-data-shows.html
Constitutional Rights Foundation:”The researchers found that black defendants seemed to be treated more harshly than whites.”
http://www.crf-usa.org/brown-v-board-50th-anniversary/the-color-of-justice.html
The research documenting the fact that minorities are treated worse than whites is extensive.
Carla Akins August 28th, 2014 at 21:35
Not everything, just racist behavior. It is not right to stay silent in the face discrimination, or the violation of civil rights. We are a civilized society, we believe in rules – rules that should apply to all, equally.
Silence is to condone the behavior, that is not a legacy I want to leave my grandchildren. Standing up and speaking out in the benefit of others is what makes us human, excusing or ignoring it is contemptible.
RioBravoHombre August 28th, 2014 at 22:23
To quote Nigel Tufnel, of Spinal Tap: “Well…that’s just nitpicking then, isn’t it?”
crc3 August 29th, 2014 at 11:10
Great post!!!
RioBravoHombre August 28th, 2014 at 22:26
“Why is everything race with you liberals?”
That’s the cutest, most adorable thing I’ve read all day. Can you dress yourself yet, and go potty on your lonesome?
whatthe46 August 28th, 2014 at 22:40
you like to 69 with swine? WTF.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 02:06
Tell the people who are left, of our tribe, that.
See how it flies.
And it IS about us. And race. Ask all the indigenous people who used to live in CA, but were “genocided” off the planet…. oh wait/ they are ALL DEAD…. so you cant ask them.
Now go back and marinate in your Caucasian privilege, K?
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 02:43
I would love to see a Tea Party member stand up and say that that the ethnic cleansing of the autochthonous people of this country is an example of government over reach. Why don’t they? Are they really so racist? Are they really so closed minded that they have to defend the worst excesses of Executive power in order to keep their ideal of privilege?
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 02:52
Have gone around and around with many people; in coffee houses, on line, and elsewhere, about the real deep history of the indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere; have tried to talk with all kinds of different people.
Conclusion: Cannot have a discussion. Why? Because most people have no idea what actually occurred. Let alone why.
Moreover, beyond history/fact free-ism, is the dangerous history revision by the likes of Barton, Bryan Fischer and Hollywood nonsensical false stereotypes.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 03:07
AFA is a hate group. No one I know (even the most die-hard conservatives) think any different. As far as stereotypes go they only get worse as more time passes after the massacres. That isn’t just a conservative issue. I have as many liberal friends who wish to ignore history and say things like “just move on,” out of political ease. They aren’t racists per se. They are just so used to white privilege that they don’t even understand that it came at the cost of of millions of people’s lives.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 03:08
Indeed.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 03:10
Some people do not realize that every square inch of what now comprises the nation-state of the United States…. was in one way or another, stolen.
Including AL and HI.
It just is what it is.
Canada and Mexico, likewise
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 09:01
As were several square inches of Europe.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 09:26
of course
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 03:07
If teaparty-ers actually had to face what really happened – as with slavery- It would collapse their house-of cards myth of the GREAT AMERICA.
(And no, any other poster: dont post to me about how I “hate America”; as I dont hate or love any nation-state. What an utter waste of energy that would be.)
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 03:18
It’s funny because the people like Bill O’Reilly who told us to ‘sit down and shut up’ during the Iraq war, now admit it was a mistake without a hint of irony about the fact that they now agree with our position they told us to sit down and shut up about.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 08:40
Oh….The names I was called, and the threats I reveived when I adamantly opposed the invasion of Afghanistan.
I remember Oct. 7th, 2001, listening to Rumsfeld on C-Span, announcing the invasion.
Furthermore/ I knew who these PNAC guys were, from WAY back, in 1998, and when the Bush admin. came in- I thought, “they’ll start a war somewhere”.
I recall, sitting up when hearing Rumsfeld, and thinking: “No! Don’t ! The US will be there for 15-20 yrs., leave and then Afghanistan will revert back to the same situ, like before the invasion and occupation. After a LOT of $ and blood spilled.”
WELL ??
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 08:58
As long as there are lots of ignorant fools, history will repeat itself over and over. It’s really not hard to see, it’s just hard to change.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 09:09
Oh, make no mistake: for MANY it is hard to see/ADMIT.
mea_mark August 29th, 2014 at 09:25
Well, it is hard to see if you don’t want to see it but it isn’t hard to see if you want to. I guess I should of worded it better.
Gidawdah August 29th, 2014 at 11:39
:-)))
Be well!
chickenpicker123 October 17th, 2014 at 10:56
hit me back G. I am blocked on mm so I can’t hail you. Jim
Roy Blankenship August 29th, 2014 at 15:05
As soon as you define yourself by saying, “You liberals”, you have lost the argument. KMA.
M D Reese August 28th, 2014 at 21:12
I got a kick out of the armed black open carry guys marching in Texas. It’s just like the religious freedom thing–the right wing never considers the fact that it works both ways.
LikeSwine69 . August 28th, 2014 at 21:14
Arming black miliitia”s??? Why don’t you simply do what us whites do: Take it upon yourself to arms, gather with like minded people and form your own militia. Why do you have to have military grade arms when he common man cannot? It’s legal arm yourself, pass the background checks, follow firearm laws and there you go. Not being able to pass a background check or being in violation of firearm laws is not racist.
edmeyer_able August 28th, 2014 at 21:29
Because when a Black Man holds anything that even looks like a firearm they are shot.
whatthe46 August 28th, 2014 at 22:37
dialo was holding a cellphone when shot 41 times. Andre Burgess. The 17-year-old, a college-bound senior and soccer captain at Hillcrest High School in Queens, New York, was shot recently because the silver-wrapped candy bar he was holding looked to a federal marshal exactly like a gun. The officer was part of a multi-agency stakeout called the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area task force. When Burgess walked through that tense, embattled watch, the agents reacted like panic-stricken rabbits, in an explosive reflex of what we must assume was self-protective instinct. They shouted for him to drop the gun; startled, he turned to look and was shot.
Denise August 28th, 2014 at 21:50
spoken like the privileged, white male that you are.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:25
Here’s a thought. How about you lose the attitude, talk with your neighbors and call the cops when there’s trouble? You know, like in a civilized society?
Rusty Shackleford August 28th, 2014 at 23:39
They tried that. They called themselves the Black Panthers. You know what happened? The NRA and Governor Ronald Reagan created the Mulford Act to restrict their open carry rights.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 02:50
The idea of a black person carrying a gun in this country meaning the same thing as a white person carrying a gun? That is crazy talk! Next you will be letting them marry our sons and daughters or joining our country clubs!
LikeSwine69 . August 28th, 2014 at 21:14
Arming black miliitia”s??? Why don’t you simply do what us whites do: Take it upon yourself to arms, gather with like minded people and form your own militia. Why do you have to have military grade arms when he common man cannot? It’s legal arm yourself, pass the background checks, follow firearm laws and there you go. Not being able to pass a background check or being in violation of firearm laws is not racist.
edmeyer_able August 28th, 2014 at 21:29
Because when a Black Man holds anything that even looks like a firearm they are shot.
whatthe46 August 28th, 2014 at 22:37
dialo was holding a cellphone when shot 41 times. Andre Burgess. The 17-year-old, a college-bound senior and soccer captain at Hillcrest High School in Queens, New York, was shot recently because the silver-wrapped candy bar he was holding looked to a federal marshal exactly like a gun. The officer was part of a multi-agency stakeout called the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area task force. When Burgess walked through that tense, embattled watch, the agents reacted like panic-stricken rabbits, in an explosive reflex of what we must assume was self-protective instinct. They shouted for him to drop the gun; startled, he turned to look and was shot.
Denise August 28th, 2014 at 21:50
spoken like the privileged, white male that you are.
tiredoftea August 28th, 2014 at 22:25
Here’s a thought. How about you lose the attitude, talk with your neighbors and call the cops when there’s trouble? You know, like in a civilized society?
Rusty Shackleford August 28th, 2014 at 23:39
They tried that. They called themselves the Black Panthers. You know what happened? The NRA and Governor Ronald Reagan created the Mulford Act to restrict their open carry rights.
Eric Trommater August 29th, 2014 at 02:50
The idea of a black person carrying a gun in this country meaning the same thing as a white person carrying a gun? That is crazy talk! Next you will be letting them marry our sons and daughters or joining our country clubs!
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:32
This is the problem with the current discussion about race in America. Stories like these are not meant to do anything for minorities. They are written, as Stokely Carmichael once prophetically said “for the benefit of white liberals.”
Eric Trommater August 28th, 2014 at 22:32
This is the problem with the current discussion about race in America. Stories like these are not meant to do anything for minorities. They are written, as Stokely Carmichael once prophetically said “for the benefit of white liberals.”
PunkAssPro August 29th, 2014 at 08:45
Well this story is a drive by capping in The Liberal Victim Hood. Is it racist to say, only the brainwash will remain unconvinced? Yea, i thought so, i am a white racist.
PunkedUrAss August 29th, 2014 at 08:45
Well this story is a drive by capping in The Liberal Victim Hood. Is it racist to say, only the brainwash will remain unconvinced? Yea, i thought so, i am a white racist.
Donstone August 29th, 2014 at 15:23
I guess no one has heard about the black cop in Salt Lake City that shot and killed a white man. There has been no uproar.
majii August 29th, 2014 at 18:21
I’m black, and I’ve been tweeting about Dillon Taylor and the protests since Dillon was unnecessarily gunned down by the officer. Some of us are concerned about police officers gunning down all citizens, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. I’ve also been posting about what happened to Dillon on Facebook. Sometimes when a person concludes that others don’t care about ___, s/he’s wrong.
Donstone August 29th, 2014 at 15:23
I guess no one has heard about the black cop in Salt Lake City that shot and killed a white man. There has been no uproar.
meangreen1 August 29th, 2014 at 16:42
Hey Donstone, Shut up! One incident of a white man shot by black cop compared to thousands if not millions of black men shot, killed and beaten by white cops, not shit I heard but what I experienced! Beaten so bad the judge dropped the charges of resisting arrest, and resisting was a made up charge! You feel me?…Fool !
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 17:06
Millions?
majii August 29th, 2014 at 18:21
I’m black, and I’ve been tweeting about Dillon Taylor and the protests since Dillon was unnecessarily gunned down by the officer. Some of us are concerned about police officers gunning down all citizens, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. I’ve also been posting about what happened to Dillon on Facebook. Sometimes when a person concludes that others don’t care about ___, s/he’s wrong.
R.J. Carter August 29th, 2014 at 17:06
Millions?