Man Shot Dead By St. Louis Police
As if there were not enough tension already in St. Louis and the surrounding area, a St. Louis police officer shot and killed a man Tuesday afternoon.
The incident occurred outside of a 5-Star Market just before 1:00 p.m. local time today. According to police, the man was attempting to rob the convenience store and was wielding a knife. The store owner argued with the man and when police arrived, he refused to let go of the knife. He then threatened two officers who fired on the suspect, killing him.
He was pronounced dead at the scene. No police officers were injured during the incident.
Police also say the suspect was acting “erratically” and according to some witnesses, told police to “Shoot me. Kill me now.” The Wire spoke with legal expert Jens David Ohlin, who is a professor of law at the Cornell Law School. He explained that if, indeed, the suspect said “Shoot me” or “kill me now” this would be deemed “death by cop.” “When someone deliberately provokes a cop to get them to kill them, as kind of a suicide rather than killing themselves, that is death by cop.”
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mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 18:06
Why don’t they shoot at his feet if they think he wants to be shot. Is disabling someone not allowed, is killing how cops are supposed to handle things? The system is broken. I fear the protests may spread tonight and be worse. The Authorities appear to be doing things wrong on a consistent basis.
Mister_YT August 20th, 2014 at 06:35
The best place to shoot a ni99er is in its head.
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 18:06
Why don’t they shoot at his feet if they think he wants to be shot. Is disabling someone not allowed, is killing how cops are supposed to handle things? The system is broken. I fear the protests may spread tonight and be worse. The Authorities appear to be doing things wrong on a consistent basis.
granpa.usthai August 19th, 2014 at 18:15
given enough time, I’m sure they’ll be able to find an iron ore vein, build a foundry and make a knife. They may want to take some prints on scotch tape – just in case the corpse is too decomposed by then. (Feds use to be interested in little things like that, hard to say anymore, they seem to enjoy backing off from WHITE RACIST THUG TERRORIST and ensure they remain heavily armed – even after a FAILED REPUBLICAN WHITE ARMED REVOLT).
granpa.usthai August 19th, 2014 at 18:15
given enough time, I’m sure they’ll be able to find an iron ore vein, build a foundry and make a knife. They may want to take some prints on scotch tape – just in case the corpse is too decomposed by then. (Feds use to be interested in little things like that, hard to say anymore, they seem to enjoy backing off from WHITE RACIST THUG TERRORIST and ensure they remain heavily armed – even after a FAILED REPUBLICAN WHITE ARMED REVOLT).
granpa.usthai August 19th, 2014 at 18:18
good thing some Chinese Accountants are still using an Abacus when counting human rights violations – US law enforcement might be overloading the digital system.
Mister_YT August 20th, 2014 at 06:34
Ni99ers aren’t human or even primates.
granpa.usthai August 19th, 2014 at 18:18
good thing some Chinese Accountants are still using an Abacus when counting human rights violations – US law enforcement might be overloading the digital system.
edmeyer_able August 19th, 2014 at 18:37
Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinckley, mark david chapman, Jack Ruby all fired shots and were taken alive with a gun in their hand.
whatthe46 August 19th, 2014 at 21:24
“Dallas police on Tuesday identified the man accused of shooting at police and firefighters Monday as 60-year-old Douglas Lee Leguin of Corinth.” this happened last week and he’s a white guy. he also held an interview with a news station while in jail. not a single mark on him. even the SWAT was called in.
Mister_YT August 20th, 2014 at 06:34
The entire ni99er species must be exterminated; one at a time or thousands at once.
edmeyer_able August 19th, 2014 at 18:37
Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinckley, mark david chapman, Jack Ruby all fired shots and were taken alive with a gun in their hand.
whatthe46 August 19th, 2014 at 21:24
“Dallas police on Tuesday identified the man accused of shooting at police and firefighters Monday as 60-year-old Douglas Lee Leguin of Corinth.” this happened last week and he’s a white guy. he also held an interview with a news station while in jail. not a single mark on him. even the SWAT was called in.
Tom Ward August 19th, 2014 at 18:42
This is ridiculous. Why would he throw away his life like that?
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 19:05
Poor, hungry, can’t get a job, can’t go to school, take your pick or just say all of the above. Inequality in America is out of control and the Oligarchy own the banks and wield most of the power. The Oligarchy don’t care about the people or the world, just what appeals to them at any given moment.
uzza August 19th, 2014 at 19:19
♪ Freedom’s just another name for,
nothin’ left to lose …
♫
whatthe46 August 19th, 2014 at 23:06
mental illness? funny how even with the description of his behavior, no one seems to have afforded him that excuse. and we all know if it were a white guy acting out that way, this would have been an entirely dfferent outcome. just sayin’
Tom Ward August 19th, 2014 at 18:42
This is ridiculous. Why would he throw away his life like that?
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 19:05
Poor, hungry, can’t get a job, can’t go to school, take your pick or just say all of the above. Inequality in America is out of control and the Oligarchy own the banks and wield most of the power. The Oligarchy don’t care about the people or the world, just what appeals to them at any given moment.
uzza August 19th, 2014 at 19:19
♪ Freedom’s just another name for,
nothin’ left to lose …
♫
whatthe46 August 19th, 2014 at 23:06
mental illness? funny how even with the description of his behavior, no one seems to have afforded him that excuse. and we all know if it were a white guy acting out that way, that would have been the first thing mentioned. and we would hear from his parents he hasn’t been acting “normal” for sometime now. and this would have been an entirely dfferent outcome. just sayin’
mfr4 August 19th, 2014 at 18:56
I don’t really know much about it but aren’t there things like mace, pepper spray, tasers, and other really nasty things that would give the cop as much satisfaction (they could even be fitted to sound like a gun I suppose, if that helps) without killing the guy. This is crazy. Is there any way it won’t lead to more violence, death and injury.
mfr4 August 19th, 2014 at 18:56
I don’t really know much about it but aren’t there things like mace, pepper spray, tasers, and other really nasty things that would give the cop as much satisfaction (they could even be fitted to sound like a gun I suppose, if that helps) without killing the guy. This is crazy. Is there any way it won’t lead to more violence, death and injury.
William August 20th, 2014 at 00:29
Officers are trained with the “21 foot” edged weapon kill zone standard. In other words, person who has decided to stab you with a knife within 21 feet can do so before you make the decision, draw your weapon, point and fire. This situation for better or for worse has been demonstrated time and time again in a court of law. Action is faster than reaction. In other words the assailant has already made up his/her mind. It takes more time to react, therefore officers often have made their decision ahead of time on what they will do in a given situation, based upon their training.
There is however new evidence and opinion that disputes that old belief. http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/
Officers are not trained to shoot to kill or to wound. They are trained to make the suspect stop doing what he or she is doing. In this case it’s deadly force with an edged weapon. Police officers are trained to aim for center body mass as that is the biggest target.
I have dealt with three suspects with edge weapons. I didn’t shoot any of them, but clearly no two situations are the same. I am not about to second guess this event.
One must also consider what could have happened if the officers had not arrived.
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 04:36
Well I suppose when the suspect is openly presenting himself as a target and literally begging you to shoot and kill him, complying with that request is indeed one way to stop him. Not exactly what I’d want from those sworn to “protect and serve” though.
William August 20th, 2014 at 08:41
Police say they heard the suspect shout, “Shoot me now. Kill me now.” The suspect, agitated and holding the knife “up high,” approached and was shot by both police officers after getting within three to four feet of their police car. Dotson said the officers were within “lethal range for a knife.”
http://www.newsweek.com/st-louis-police-shoot-dead-young-man-wielding-knife-265740
Again, I wasn’t there and I cannot form an opinion without all the facts, but so far it seem to me that this was simply not a case of……..
“suspect is openly presenting himself as a target and literally begging you to shoot and kill him”.
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 09:11
That sounds an awful lot like not only is he begging you to kill him, but he’s trying to provoke you into doing so as well. Good work, cops, fulfilling this man’s suicidal wish. Great job.
William August 20th, 2014 at 09:14
How would you have responded?
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 09:33
Keep distance, first priority: communication. Try to defuse the situation, calm him down. If absolutely necessary, try for an incapacitating shot, or use one of the many non-lethal toys our militarized police is equipped with, from tazers to pepper spray.
Or I guess I could just shoot and kill him, since it’s easier, and the safety of police officers takes priority over the safety of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting and serving, right?
William August 20th, 2014 at 10:45
All good ideas, and I’ve used them all except incapacitating shots and tazers. You should know that pepper spray takes longer to become effective, than it takes someone 4 feet away with a knife raised to stab you. A knife is lethal force, pepper spray and tazers are not (I’m not sure these officers had tazers). Police doctrine generally indicates use of force in kind. Example when you encounter non deadly force you respond with non deadly force. When you encounter deadly force you respond in kind. Again I think it’s wrong to Monday morning quarter back this event, but I am reasonably sure that if someone is four feet from me with a raised knife and advancing, “talking him down” seems like an unrealistic response. I’m not sure if you have ever tried to back away from a knife wielding person advancing on you, but get some props and try it sometime. Let me know how it works out.
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 17:40
Assuming of course that this is in fact deadly force, which it might not even be, as some witnesses have said it was a BUTTERKNIFE.
trees August 22nd, 2014 at 01:04
Sure it wasn’t a plastic knife? I’ll bet those cops all went out and partied at a strip club afterward and celebrated killing that guy…..
Rusty Shackleford August 22nd, 2014 at 07:20
Awww…look who thinks he’s clever.
Mister_YT August 20th, 2014 at 06:31
But if the piece of garbage ni99er is goodified they can’t breed any more future felons. Kill them all.
William August 20th, 2014 at 00:29
Officers are trained with the “21 foot” edged weapon kill zone standard. In other words, a person who has decided to stab you with a knife within 21 feet can do so before you make the decision, draw your weapon, point and fire. This situation for better or for worse has been demonstrated time and time again in a court of law. Action is faster than reaction. In other words the assailant has already made up his/her mind. It takes more time to react, therefore officers often have made their decision ahead of time on what they will do in a given situation, based upon their training.
There is however new evidence and opinion that disputes that old belief. http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/
Officers are not trained to shoot to kill or to wound. They are trained to make the suspect stop doing what he or she is doing. In this case it’s deadly force with an edged weapon. Police officers are trained to aim for center body mass as that is the biggest target.
I have dealt with three suspects with edged weapons. I didn’t shoot any of them, but clearly no two situations are the same. I am not about to second guess this event.
One must also consider what could have happened if the officers had not arrived.
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 04:36
Well I suppose when the suspect is openly presenting himself as a target and literally begging you to shoot and kill him, complying with that request is indeed one way to stop him. Not exactly what I’d want from those sworn to “protect and serve” though.
William August 20th, 2014 at 08:41
Police say they heard the suspect shout, “Shoot me now. Kill me now.” The suspect, agitated and holding the knife “up high,” approached and was shot by both police officers after getting within three to four feet of their police car. Dotson said the officers were within “lethal range for a knife.”
http://www.newsweek.com/st-louis-police-shoot-dead-young-man-wielding-knife-265740
Again, I wasn’t there and I cannot form an opinion without all the facts, but so far it seem to me that this was simply not a case of……..
“suspect is openly presenting himself as a target and literally begging you to shoot and kill him”.
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 09:11
That sounds an awful lot like not only is he begging you to kill him, but he’s trying to provoke you into doing so as well. Good work, cops, fulfilling this man’s suicidal wish. Great job.
William August 20th, 2014 at 09:14
How would you have responded?
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 09:33
Keep distance, first priority: communication. Try to defuse the situation, calm him down. If absolutely necessary, try for an incapacitating shot, or use one of the many non-lethal toys our militarized police is equipped with, from tazers to pepper spray.
Or I guess I could just shoot and kill him, since it’s easier, and the safety of police officers takes priority over the safety of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting and serving, right?
William August 20th, 2014 at 10:45
All good ideas, and I’ve used them all except incapacitating shots and tazers. You should know that pepper spray takes longer to become effective, than it takes someone 4 feet away with a knife raised to stab you. A knife is lethal force, pepper spray and tazers are not (I’m not sure these officers had tazers). Police doctrine generally indicates use of force in kind. Example when you encounter non deadly force you respond with non deadly force. When you encounter deadly force you respond in kind. Again I think it’s wrong to Monday morning quarter back this event, but I am reasonably sure that if someone is four feet from me with a raised knife and advancing, “talking him down” seems like an unrealistic response. I’m not sure if you have ever tried to back away from a knife wielding person advancing on you, but get some props and try it sometime. Let me know how it works out.
Rusty Shackleford August 20th, 2014 at 17:40
Assuming of course that this is in fact deadly force, which it might not even be, as some witnesses have said it was a BUTTERKNIFE.
trees August 22nd, 2014 at 01:04
Sure it wasn’t a plastic knife? I’ll bet those cops all went out and partied at a strip club afterward and celebrated killing that guy…..
Rusty Shackleford August 22nd, 2014 at 07:20
Awww…look who thinks he’s clever.
greenfloyd August 20th, 2014 at 05:34
Another young black man shot down by law enforcement, a stones throw away from Ferguson. Justified or not, there’s no denying it’s fuel on an already raging fire. It can no loner be business as usual. As evidenced by the extraordinary effort of St. Louis PD, offering job training and other types of assistance as they canvassed the area.
Mister_YT August 20th, 2014 at 06:29
Too bad you weren’t made good with it.
floyd[@]greenfloyd.org August 20th, 2014 at 05:34
Another young black man shot down by law enforcement, a stones throw away from Ferguson. Justified or not, there’s no denying it’s fuel on an already raging fire. It can no loner be business as usual. As evidenced by the extraordinary effort of St. Louis PD, offering job training and other types of assistance as they canvassed the area.
Mister_YT August 20th, 2014 at 06:29
It’s a shame. It’s a shame they didn’t kill all the parasitic shitskinned beasts.