More Than 500 Gitmo Detainees Released Under Bush, One Suspected In Benghazi Attack
Indeed, government documents indicate more than 500 detainees were released or transferred from Guantanamo while George W. Bush was president. A White House executive order issued on the second day of Obama’s presidency said, ” The federal government has moved more than 500 such detainees from Guantánamo, either by returning them to their home country or by releasing or transferring them to a third country.”
That’s backed up by a fact sheet from the military task force that runs the detention camp, which says 520 detainees had been released or transferred by March 2009.
One of the detainees is suspected in the Benghazi attack.
Click here for reuse options!U.S. officials suspect that a former Guantanamo Bay detainee played a role in the attack on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and are planning to designate the group he leads as a foreign terrorist organization, according to officials familiar with the plans.
Militiamen under the command of Abu Sufian bin Qumu, the leader of Ansar al-Sharia in the Libyan city of Darnah, participated in the attack that killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, U.S. officials said…
In 2007, Qumu was released from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and sent to Libya, where he was detained. The Libyan government released him in 2008.
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Jay Faulconer June 5th, 2014 at 09:00
I got sent this link from a friend of mine who is a Democrat. I myself would describe myself as just to the right of Center, which makes me a Liberal Loon to my Tea Party friends and a Fox-News-Watching idiot to my friends on the Left. For the record, i do not watch Fox News and would not be caught dead reading something on a site called ‘Liberaland’ if not requested to do so. That said…
I have a problem with the exchange, but admit I might be wrong there. I do not know standard procedure in this sort of thing, and it’s hard to complain about the release of people who have been incarcerated for five years with no trial. The whole Gitmo thing bothered me from the beginning, bush years. if they are criminals, charge and try them. Enemy combatants deserve recourse to the law as well, though understandably it may take longer to do so. My problem with the exchange is minor, the main problem being no heads-up being given to Congress, even a weeks notice or a day, I think something more than nothing could have been managed.
My major problem is how the administration handled it. This guy needed to come home, it is not open and shut that he was a traitor. AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably. Either way, bring him home. But bringing an AWOL soldier home is not something that warrants his parents being brought to the White House. It most certainly does not warrant Susan Rice claiming he was a hero captured on the battlefield. There was zero harm in calling him what he was: An American soldier in enemy hands. Why not say that? Isn’t that enough just cause? Americans died in the days following Bergdahl’s leaving, his fellow soldiers claiming some died specifically looking for him. That is enough good reason for a Commander-In-Chief to keep hands off, and not be caught grandstanding about how he returned the last American in Afghan hands.
For me this Administration bungles too many things, even if only on a small scale. I am not sure anyone in the Administration talks to anyone else. President Obama’s ‘I didn’t know’ answers have worn quite thin with me, hopefully we don’t hear that in this case.
LAFFIN-ALL-THE-WAY! June 5th, 2014 at 13:49
THis has been a 5 year process, it was not hidden from Congress.
Jay Faulconer June 5th, 2014 at 14:28
The efforts to free him have been ongoing for five years but the particulars of this exchange were not revealed to Congress. Urgency was cited as the reason, and may well have been a good one, but in lieu of 30 days even a few may have assuaged the concerns of some members.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 16:43
yeah you are a little more than a little to the right
Jay Faulconer June 6th, 2014 at 07:08
I don’t mind being called a Lefty by my Tea Party friends and I certainly don’t mind being accused of being far right by someone calling themselves ‘Chinese Democracy’ on a site called ‘Liberaland’.
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 14:11
well anyone to the left of Atilla The Hun is a “lefty” to your t bagger friends. Not surprised
Im not accusing you .. Im reading your posts and making an observation which turns out to be true
Jay Faulconer June 6th, 2014 at 14:19
It’s ‘Tea Party’, not ‘t bagger’ by the way. If you are going to try and act superior to someone, act like the more mature party. There are plenty of reasons to question the ideology of the Tea Party, but being one more lefty hurtling insults at them doesn’t address a one of them. It sells to your trolling compatriots but if you are going to engage in a public debate it helps to at least feign maturity.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 15:12
Actually they are the ones who began using the term;
Feb. 27, 2009
At the first anti-stimulus “New American Tea Party” rally in Washington D.C., a protestor carries a sign reading “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems before they Tea Bag You!!”
April 1
Several Tea Party protest sites encourage readers to “Tea bag the fools in DC.”
Between that, and the teabags hanging off their hats…..
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 16:44
refer to TiredOfThemAll’s post.. I feel as if you where owned. Is that immature?
William June 7th, 2014 at 02:19
“it is not open and shut that he was a traitor. AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably”.
Here in the USA even soldiers get a hearing. You’ve convicted this man already.
It is completely appropriate to get this man back. If he screwed up, then he gets to face the music. I never thought I’d live to see the day where the was any question whatsoever on the worthiness of bringing an American home from enemy hands.
I am ever so grateful that people like you had no input into the code of conduct and/or military doctrine during my service.
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 07:47
My comment never questioned whether or not to return him, of course we should have, he’s an American. Perhaps you meant this comment for someone arguing otherwise. I did however imply that he went AWOL, since from all accounts, that is what he did.
William June 7th, 2014 at 10:26
“it is not open and shut that he was a traitor. AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably”
All accounts?
Oh well then by all means lets skip the hearing .
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 10:41
You seem to be I implying that I am wrong about something I said? He went AWOL , according to those who were there, and it IS a fact that in my opinion he probably deserted. This is, after all, an opinions based forum. If you take issue with people in authority making statements without the support of facts then you would agree with me that it was wrong of Rice to say he was a hero captured on the battlefield. I never meant to convey to you or anyone that my opinion carried with it any sort of legally binding declaration of his guilt. I am merely a citizen with opinions. A government official however should be obligated to present only informationsupported by facts.
William June 7th, 2014 at 12:23
” AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably”
How is it that you cannot understand that you have already decided this mans guilt prior to any sort of hearing whatsoever?
def·i·nite·ly /ˈdɛfənɪtli/ Show Spelled [def-uh-nit-lee] Show IPA
adverb
1. in a clear and definite manner; unambiguously.
2. unequivocally; positively.
interjection
3. (used to express complete agreement or strong affirmation): Are you starting your diet tomorrow? Definitely!
You seem to NOT understand the presumption of innocence under our laws.
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 12:41
Your ability to copy and paste definitions is quite impressive. While you are on a hot streak might I suggest you look into the word ‘opinion’? Citizens of this country have the legal expectation to be innocent until proven guilty. Citizens in this country also have the right to their opinion. In this case both rights are being serviced. In the case of Bergdahl he has not yet been found guilty of anything, or even charged with a crime unless I am mistaken. In my case, I have taken the information available to me and arrived at the opinion that the man went AWOL, since I have seen no one present evidence to the contrary. I have seen a high government official fabricate a more positive story than was the case and written an opinion piece about that aspect of the situation. If the opinions of others bother you to this extent it may be a wise move to stay away from the comment sections of articles you read. Just my opinion.
William June 7th, 2014 at 13:36
You didn’t write “opinion”. you wrote “definitely”. Now I completely understand your confusion. Obviously you never served and you know as much about the uniform code of military justice as a pig knows about Sunday.
Now as long as you are on a streak of “opinions” chew on this.
The fundamental difference between desertion and awol, is that the prosecution must prove that the defendant had no intention of ever returning.
The alleged escape attempt would indicate otherwise. (notice I used the word alleged, instead of definitely) as there is no adjudication at this time.
The next time you offer an “opinion” in the presence of veterans, try to be more observant as to the rolling of the eyes. It might temper your “opinion”.
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 14:38
Perhaps before getting so upset you should read the entire post. I said he was ‘definitely’ AWOL because he was. AWOL is a military term that means Absent Without Leave, and Burgdahl was, definitely. Desertion is not provable without knowing his intent, so the word ‘definitely’ was never applied to that. ‘Most probably’ was applied to my opinion of him being guilty of that due to what information exists. The word ‘probably’ is a nonmilitary term meaning something seems likely, but no guarantee. Things are much easier to comprehend when you take the time to read something all the way through.
William June 7th, 2014 at 14:43
‘The word ‘probably’ is a nonmilitary term’
HA,ha,ha,ha,ha,
Now you may ask yourself why I don’t read your entire post.
Ednar June 5th, 2014 at 15:12
Were any of the 500 hundred … COMMANDERS? Like the five just released?
The majority that were released were NOT dangerous people but people at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 16:42
so COMMANDERS get released when the war ends . The war is ending
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 19:13
The war hasn’t ended!
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 01:19
True! but the 5 would be released when the war ends SOON.
So why not use the release to get one of ours back. When a war ends both sides get POWs back
Funny how you buy into the Al queda propaganda that the 5 are a big deal lol
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 09:54
Chinese Democracy,
WHO SAID HE WAS A POW… except Obama, the entire left looney liberals & Rice?
How is a man considered a POW when he voluntarily walks into a Taliban camp?
William June 6th, 2014 at 13:58
How is a man considered a POW when he voluntarily walks into a Taliban camp?
And you know this how?
Did the drug soaked draft dodger tell you that? or was it the bipolar alcoholic?. Maybe the “witness” with the bad conduct discharge? Or was it…*snicker*, the fair and balanced network.
When he is evaluated and debriefed we will know, otherwise it’s simply conjecture fueled by your ignorance.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 15:14
His own fellow comrades say he walked off himself … of his own volition.
Explain how anyone can be a POW if he wasn’t captured in battle?
Rice doesn’t do well on those Sunday talk shows..
& OBooBoio is one of the best charismatic prevaricators this side of Islam.
I suppose now, you are going to tell me OBooBoo never “CROTCH SALUTED” Old Glory …ehhhh?
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 16:40
cut your b/s Obama is black you dont like it
PERIOD
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 18:09
WRONG …. YET AGAIN!
Obama, 1st Arab-American President, not the 1st black
President. Obama is 50% Caucasian momS side, 43.75% Arabic & 6.25% African
Negro from his father’s side. While Obamas father was from Kenya, fathers
family was mainly Arabs. Obamas father was only 12.5% African Negro & 87.5%
Arab (his fathers birth certificate states he’s Arab, not African Negro)
Best bar joke in a while. . .
A black guy,
A white guy,
A Lawyer,
A pathological liar,
An illegal alien,
A Muslim,
A Christian and
A Communist
Walk into a bar.
The bartender asks,
“What can I get you
Mr. President?”
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 20:28
negro? ok I get it
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 20:43
Ohhhh, don’t worry.
I do NOT blame you for your ignorance …. I blame the media.
Once upon a time, there were journalists who WERE REAL
journalists & obsessed with finding the truth regardless who was president
They were non-partisan in their obsession. But
since the invasion of socialists permeating & inundating in our countries
academia …
our media, our congress, our citizens &
our presidents have had this communist ideology.
The media now fawn over liberal socialist
candidates while excoriating denigrating berating & crucifying all
Republican & conservative candidates.
They forgive their partisan colleagues &
candidates as easily as they burn their opposition … whom they hold to higher
standards.
The medias blatant disregard for their traditional role as the
4th estate & government watchdog has endangered America & eroded the
notion of a free & fair press. Their one-sided coverage of President Obama
has shredded Americas trust in journalism by surrendering its integrity &
objectivity, thus endangering our democracy & free society.
Remember when Obama passed a law w/Sen.Coburn
requiring more transparency via public database of all federal spending?
Obama complained of the Bush White House as
being “most secretive administrations in our history” Even chided
Hillary for NOT releasing her White House schedules. Obama has stonewalled info
about his own; legislative, personal health, education, financing, &
background
The press, usually banging at the door for
candidates to make “full disclosure” is strangely quiet about Obama’s
stonewalling. Anyone know why?
Isnt our PRESS remarkable? They can find every
woman
Tiger Woods has had an affair with, their text messages, photos, recordings,
cause of family fights even golf wedge she used on him & the car!
But same press corp cant seem to find Obamas
BC,
college papers, or anyone who knew him in college, how he paid for it, what
passports he used or how he applied for financial aid available only to foreign
students!
In re: to Obama 62 million
voted w/o prior knowledge thanks to our press corp & media.
In 2012, people had a
choice for more jobs with Romney or more poor people & more food stamps
with Obama.
Voters did NOT pick
the businessman. Voters did NOT pick the candidate with the “content of
character” … voters picked a candidate b/c of his skin color.
Three significant historical events have
been eclipsed by Obama:
1) Jimmy Carter will no longer be looked
upon as the worst president in American history;
2) Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton will no
longer be recognized as the greatest liars in presidential history;
3) Clinton’s stain on Monica’s dress, and
what that did to White House in general and the office of the president
specifically, will forever pale in comparison to the stain and stench of Obama.
William June 7th, 2014 at 02:11
Obviously you’re not an American and not familiar with our due process. Here in America there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. Nobody can be convicted simply by the rants of a drug addicted radio racist or a cadre of gap toothed scandal monkeys. his fellow “comrades” will have ample opportunity to testify as to what they saw. A court will have a chance to review the evidence. A jury will hear the case and adjudication will be rendered. That’s how it works here in the USA. Oh granted we still have our low IQ sheep that are led around by a news network, but they don’t get to have a say in the due process.
During my 20 years of service I have seen people under stress, drugs and clinical exhaustion do some weird stuff. Up to and including trying to swim ashore from an anchored aircraft carrier.
I’m not sure what you are talking about IE your crotch salute, but it’s your fetish and I guess you’re welcome to it.
Maybe it’s some sort of mating ritual in whatever country you are from.
BTW, a POW is any uniformed person of the apposing force taken into custody. Even soldiers who surrender are considered POW’s.
How do people in your country define POW’s?
It’s obvious you’ve never served in the military, so please avail yourself of the resources on line to learn about our justice system and the Uniformed code of military justice.
I hope you get to visit our country some day. I think you’ll find it interesting that here in America we try hard to recover our soldiers despite rhetoric from drooling idiots on the right.
Have a nice day.
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 08:07
William,
Obama, the IDIOTO-IN-THIEF … “CROTCH SALUTED” our flag…. your flag, the one you fought for.
Educate yourself by googling this. He did this several times in 2007.
How does this make you feel? Knowing this muslim marxist miscreant masquerading as the messiah dishonored our flag?
Bowe’s commander’s &* leaders were all together on Fox(Kelly’s File) last night stating none of them would have wanted to be traded for any terrorist.
Couldn’t tell if any one of them were drug addicts as you implied. Are you a druggy?
Your military experience whether true or not makes no difference here.
My family is also military.
You have Democratic congressmen that are military like Rangel the racist & Murtha(dead) who named an airport after himself, no one uses.
Democratic PORK put to good use.
OldLefty June 7th, 2014 at 08:17
And did you know that;
Nixon, Reagan and Stephen King killed John Lennon
http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/
Wingdings font has a secret message of approval to kill Jews
Israel makes Palestinian schoolgirls sexually promiscuous by
selling them aphrodisiac bubble-gum
Sarah Palin’s background, name, and entire identity is
completely fabricated. I know this without any doubt whatsoever because the
people you’re about to learn about were targeting me online. Half of Sarah
Palin’s identity is completely fabricated around this organization and the
other half around myself and my family’s history.
Sarah Palin and John McCain claimed to be a Mavericks
Mark Cuban the “Rich Jerk” above owns the Dallas
Mavericks basketball team
Obama claims his basketball name was Barack O’Bomber????
I think you are PT Barnum’s dream.
Sarah Palin claims her basketball name is Sarah Barracuda
Mark Cuban was under investigation for insider trading of a
search engine company named Mamma
Sarah Palin claims to be a Mama Grizzly
Obama was a Chicago Senator
Chicago Bears Chicago Cubs is likely where Mama Grizzly came
from
Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii
Sarah Palin claims to have attended school at Hawaii Hilo
and graduated from U of Idaho in Moscow Idaho
Sarah Palin claims to be able to see Russia from her house
McCain claimed his favorite band was ABBA which is a
palindrome
Another palindrome is the last name of George SOROS
Long time enemy of Israel is PALestINe
Gayle King and Oprah were both news anchors
Sarah Palin claims to have also been a news anchor
TiredOfThemAll June 7th, 2014 at 08:40
You are really PT Barnum’s dream come true, aren’t you?
Do you know how many ways that stupid urban legend has been debunked.
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 09:08
http://tunnelwall.blogspot.com/2012/07/urban-legend-or-not-obamas-crotch-salute.html
Urban
legend or not? Obama’s “crotch salute”
Picture of Senator Barack Obama Failing to Salute the Flag
While Others on a Platform, Including Senator Hillary Clinton, are
Saluting-Truth!
Summary of the
eRumor: “A picture of
Senator Barack Obama (below), Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico, Senator
Hillary Clinton, and one other person all on a platform and backed by an
American flag. The eRumor says that the National Anthem was being played
at the time and that all but Senator Obama saluted.”
“The picture
is authentic. It was published in Time magazine and was taken 9/16/07 at
an event in Indianola, Iowa where six Democratic presidential candidates
appeared. It was Iowa Senator Tom Harkin’s annual “meat and
greet.” The fourth person in the picture is Senator Harkin’s
wife, Ruth. Not seen in the picture are three other candidates who were
standing out of view on the right side of the platform, Senator Chris Dodd,
Senator John Edwards, Senator Joe Biden.
“At question is what was going on with Senator Obama? His
critics are circulating the picture and saying that he is not respecting the
flag or the National Anthem, especially since the protocol, according to the
United States Flag code, is that civilians should have their right hands over
their hearts and that they should be facing the flag. His supporters are
saying that this little lapse should not be held against him since there have
been plenty of other events at which he has saluted the flag—so it did not
mean that he would, in principle, avoid doing it.
….
“An ABC News video, however, shows that Senator Obama did not salute at
any time during the Anthem and that everybody else on the platform did.
A spokesperson for
the Senator told Fox News that it was ridiculous to suggest that Obama was
making any kind of a statement and that sometimes “he does and sometimes
he doesn’t place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.”
”
From TruthOrFiction.Com
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 09:09
My comment was deleted.
Sad.
This site seems to be politically correct in favor of muslims, it seems.
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 14:09
you first who said he WASNT a POW? Whats your source? I need a laugh
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 15:16
His comrades who read the letter he wasn’t happy as an American soldier.
Documents now coming out he wants to become a Muslim.
Right now….this guy is getting briefed by Obama & company to LIE thru his teeth to make sure his lies stay good with OBooBoo’s lies.
Ednar June 5th, 2014 at 20:57
Who said the war ended?
Are you implying you trust OBAMA?
He did say Al Qaeda is on the run, remember?
Quite the idiot, hmmmm?
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 21:21
Obama is right on all accounts.
The al Qaeda core’s influence has been reduced.
al-Zawahiri was rebuffed in his attempts to mediate a dispute among al Qaeda affiliates operating in Syria, with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant publicly dissociating their group from al Qaeda.”
The other organizations right now – although potentially very, very problematic – are currently focused on the local fights. “Whether eventually they shift to Europe first, then the US, we’ll see. But certainly a potential is there.”
But why let facts get in the way?
Ednar June 5th, 2014 at 21:45
Obama is only NOT right … but an absolute idiot.
He is FUNDING terrorism, including Al Qaeda!
There are hundreds of splinter groups in terrorism today.
“Six American Islamist activists who work
with the Obama Administration are Muslim Brotherhood operatives who enjoy
strong influence over U.S. policy”
Investigative. Org
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/sharia-advisers-barack-obamas-muslim-appointees/
http://news.yahoo.com/us-officer-got-no-reply-cables-asking-more-174539222.html
U.S. officer got
no reply to requests for more security in Benghazi
***Arif Alikhan – Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for
the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
***Mohammed Elibiary – Homeland Security Adviser
appointed to the Department of Homeland Security
Advisory Council by then-secretary Janet Napolitano in 2010
***Rashad Hussain – Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the
Islamic Conference
***Salam al-Marayati – Obama Adviser – founder Muslim Public
Affairs Council and its current executive director
***Imam Mohamed Magid – Obama’s Sharia Czar – Islamic Society of
North AmericaIslamic Society of North America
***Eboo Patel – Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood
Partnerships
***Valerie Jarrett … aide & ear to Obama & Michelle
Obama’s ex-boss
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r3tGi1ulgyE/UJdY_EbTlOI/AAAAAAAA7XY/HV49ECwYNPo/s1600/Valerie%2BJarrett%2527s%2Bpayback%2Btime.jpg
Valerie Jarrett – “After we win this
election, it’s our turn. PAYBACK TIME.”
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us
is against us & they better be ready because we won’t forget. The ones who
helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve.
There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time.
No election to worry about after this is over & we have two judges ready to
go.”
Valerie Jarrett, born in Iran, Senior Advisor to Obama. Quoted by a White House
Insider. See link for the full story. She calls the shots in the White House
except for the drones, Obama loves his drones.
So…. Let me get this straight… she calls the shots while Obama is out playing
GOLF & going on talk shows like the VIEW, Letterman & Leno calling
himself: “EYE CANDY” on the VIEW…
While Valerie Jarrett gave the order for the TWO NAVY SEALS TO STAND DOWN.
The NAVY SEALS refused this order & SAVED the lives of 33 people.
Obamas love for drones didn’t help these two Navy Seals who were expecting help
from pathetically weak NON-military advisors & anti-war LIBERAL
INCOMPETENTS.
Valerie, Obama, Hillary, Reid, Pelosi & others members of the congressional
communist party (DSA) should all be shot as TRAITORS
ht tp : / / w ww. wnd. com/2013/01/egyptian-mag-affirms-brotherhood-infiltration-of-white-house/
Egyptian mag
affirms Brotherhood infiltration of White House
Claims 6 American Muslims have strong
influence on U.S. policy
ht tp : / / w ww. investigativeproject. org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates
Egyptian Magazine: Muslim Brotherhood
Infiltrates Obama Administration
ht tp : / / w ww. westernjournalism. com/obama-arms-the-enemy-again/
Obama Arms The
Enemy Again
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-family-behind-shariah-push/
Obama family
busted in Shariah scheme
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 01:20
World Net Daily? Now theres a source with an impeccable reputation.
STOP IT
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 09:52
ChineseDemocracy,
So … it is true, ehhh?
You are a chinese communist?
cliftymike June 6th, 2014 at 07:52
Holy crap…..did you miss Alex Jones or Glenn Beck in there somewhere? Talk about “willful ignorance”.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 09:51
Cliftymike,
Alex Jones is radical.
Try not to bring assumptions about my beliefs… if I did that I would compare your beliefs with REID, Pelosi & Obama who along with countless Liberal Democrats belong to America’s Communist Party … the DSA
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 07:53
Obama is only NOT right
… but an absolute idiot.
He is FUNDING terrorism,
including Al Qaeda!
_______
We said that about Reagan and Bush as well.
Remember Reagan created al Qaeda.
Everything you say has been debunked.
You engage in the Gish Gallop method; throw out tons of false info and expect someone to spend hours debunking it.
Please don’t expect me to buy the spin from far right wing wacko sites.
As far back as the 50’s Saadat Hasan Manto wrote “Letters to Uncle Sam”, asking why we don’t directly arm the mullahs in Pakistan since we were supporting radical Islam (as a hedge against “socialism” ) over democracy in India;
“Regardless of India and the fuss it is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. Because you are seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism.
Once military aid starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats, Cutthroat razors and scissors should be top of the
list, as well as American hair color lotions. That should keep these fellows happy and in business.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our country will have to shut shop. I can visualize the mullahs, their hair trimmed
with American scissors and their pajamas stitched by American machines in strict conformity with the Sharia.”
You mean, Rashad Hussain also has been an advocate for the protection of religious minorities, and has worked on efforts to improve the protection of Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities living in Muslim-majority countries. He has also sought to combat anti-Semitism by denouncing Holocaust denial and the publication of anti-Semitic materials in the Muslim world. In an op-ed on addressing anti-Semitism in the Muslim world, he condemned the broadcast of an anti-Semitic film aired in some Muslim-majority countries, arguing that Jews and Christians face discrimination and violence in countries in these countries and that “Efforts must be made to ensure that textbooks and television programming in the Muslim world are free from the types of dehumanizing ideas and images that breed intolerance and hate.” Speaking to Foreign Ministers
of Muslim countries at the OIC Ministerial in Guinea in 2013, he also criticized “restrictions on places of worship, including churches and synagogues” as “unacceptable.” He has also condemned blasphemy laws on other restrictions on speech that are used to persecute religious
minorities including Coptic Christians in Egypt, where he visited with an American Coptic leader in 2012.
Or, You mean the one who made the statement; “Muslims Must Stand Up Against the Horrific Attacks Against Christians in Nigeria”??
Before serving as Deputy Mayor, Arif Alikhan was a career prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice from 1997-2006. During that time, he served as Chief of the Cyber and Intellectual Crimes Section for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles and as a Senior Advisor to the U.S. Attorney General in Washington, D.C., where he oversaw the national Computer
Hacking and Intellectual Property Program for the Department of Justice. Alikhan holds a J.D. from Loyola Law School and a B.A. from the University of California, Irvine.
Good.
For all your whining about, “where are the moderate Muslims…”
THERE they are.
And just because you call him the “Sharia Czar” does not make it true.
Should we call John Negroponte, Bush’s “Death Squad Czar”?
How about all of Bush’s other czars who were convicted felons?
And where were you when;
Laura and George W. Bush (3rd and 4th from left) with Islamic Jihad frontman Sami Al-Arian (third from right) and family (son, Abdullah “Big Dude” – Bush’s nickname for him – Al-Arian, is on far left). The problem is, Dr. Al-Arian is the U.S. frontman for one of the largest terrorist-group coalitions in the world Islamic Jihad which was declared an international terrorist organization by the U.S. State
Department and which openly promotes death to Americans. Hijackers on Flight 93, which crashed near Pittsburgh, wore red headbands, customary among Islamic Jihad warriors who take their instruction from Iran. President of the Islamic Committee for Palestine, Al-Arian headed up the primary U.S. support group for Islamic Jihad, according to “Jihad in America,” a 1994 PBS documentary on Arab Muslim terrorists in America, produced and reported by Steven Emerson a courageous investigative journalist who has worked for the U.S. News & World Report and CNN. “Jihad in America” ?
You screed requires that you ignore many facts, exaggerate others, and make other stuff up.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 09:48
So … what you are implying is that BUSH was also a Islamic sympathizer … like Obama?
Why did Bush go into Iraq & Afghanistan?
What do you know of the IRAQI LIBERATION ACT?
So … it is ok for us to have Muslims in our Homeland Security?
Is that what you are implying?
Reagan DIDN’T create Al Qaeda … cheap shot, there buddy … a serious misuse of information & YOU DERIDE ME OF THE SAME?
He trained OBL & his pack of terrorists to combat the Russians influence in Afghanistan
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 10:28
So … what you are implying is that BUSH was also a Islamic sympathizer … like Obama?
_________
Absolutely.
Bush went into Afghanistan because;
1) He had to after 9/11.
2) The Taliban did not cooperate with the pipeline;
Remember the “carpet of gold or the carpet of bombs”?
Tom Simons, former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan and the most recent official negotiator with the Taliban; Niaz Naik, former Foreign Minister of Pakistan; Ambassador Simons stated that if the Taliban wouldn’t agree with the plan, and if Pakistan was unable to persuade them, the United States might use an overt action against Afghanistan,”
Iraq???
The PNAC planned that in the late 1990’s (I don’t know if Bush was even in the loop)
Iraq basically took the fight away from terrorism and focused on taking over Iraq, (which ultimately turned it over to the loving arms of Iran.)
Karl Rove and Bush just wanted Bush to be a “war president” for the next election.
I think that the Economist hit upon the REAL reason for Iraq;
Let’s all go to the yard sale; Iraq’s Economic
Liberalisation.
The
Economist Sept. 2003
“If it all works out, Iraq will be a capitalist’s dream
If carried through, the measures will represent the kind of wish-list that foreign investors and donor agencies dream of for developing markets.
Investors in any field, except for all-important oil production and refining, would be allowed 100% ownership of Iraqi assets, full repatriation of profits, and equal legal standing with local firms. Foreign banks would be welcome to set up shop immediately, or buy into Iraqi ventures.”
http://www.economist.com/node/2092719
Basically it was an anti- Marshall Plan.
There seems to be a pattern of supporting radicals because they seem more friendly to business, then bemoaning their power, screaming “How did THIS happen? and How did these people get so radical??!!”
As for; “. it is ok for us to have Muslims in our Homeland Security?”
Yes. They are Americans the same as you or I.
You want a religious test????
That is anti-American.
YOU think it was OK to have convicted felons in National Security????
You think it was OK to have Christian fundamentalist Jerry Boykin, (who said that Bush did NOT win the election but was put there by God, ) as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under Dr. Stephen Cambone, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence????
There were intel people who warned the Reagan administration that there was nothing to stop the religious wackos from turning on us, after you teach them to how to bring down a superpower.
Not to mention, in the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a jihadi Frankenstein.” However, the warning goes unheeded.”
Osama bin Ladin cited Reagan’s cutting and running from Beirut as American weakness.
Reagan traded a rational enemy for an irrational enemy with no forethought.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:43
Sorry …Muslims do NOT belong anywhere in our politics!
When CAIR held a banquet in Fremont, California, in 1998, the Chairman of the Board, Omar Ahmad, said this:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
“Islam requires the earth — not just a portion, but the whole planet” Book: Jihad in Islam, by: Abul A’la Maududi Page 10
Remember:
The Christian martyr will say: “I will die for what I believe”.
A muslim martyr says: “YOU will die for what I believe”.
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 12:06
and Mr. Ahmad has repeatedly denied saying any such thing.
but regardless of what he did or did not say, your statement that Muslims do not belong in politics is contrary to both the letter and the spirit of the United States Constitution.
Fascinating how you right wingers rant and rave about the Constitution, but are the first to toss it in the trash when it conflicts with your peculiar view of the world
Article 6
…….
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but **no religious test** shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:14
Arc99,
I understand …. these are the civilized ways to do things!
But YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ISLAM!
They do NOT care about our politics!
They do NOT care about our laws!
They only care about their religion!
They will rebel, riot, start a rebellion as they have in present day Europe when they have the majority!
The more Muslims in a population … the more the rebellion escalates!
None can be trusted!
Their Sharia Laws conflict with our first amendment rights!
Or … are you a Muslim?
No? How about … sheeple like as in gullible?
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 12:15
I am an American who believes in the US Constitution. try it sometime.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:32
Then you are going to be a dead American.
Sort of like this story….
Are you a
Democrat, Republican or Southern Republican?
Here is a little test that will help you decide.
Question: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans
and Southern Republicans? The answer can be found by posing the
following question:
You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around
the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah,
raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40, and you are
an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your
family. What do you do?
Democrat’s Answer:
Well, I need more information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I done anything to him that would
inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What about my wife & kids?
Maybe if I swing the gun & knock the knife out of his hand? What does the
law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into
it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway & what kind of message does this
send to society and to my children?
Does he definitely want to kill me, happy w/just killing me or would he be
content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees & hold on, could my family get away while he
was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint & weed day & make this happier,
healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!! I need to debate this with some friends for few days
and try to come to a consensus.
Republican ‘s Answer:
BANG!
Southern
Republican’s Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click … (sounds of reloading).
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click
Daughter: “Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver
Tips?”
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 13:23
you clearly do not know many, if any liberal Democrats. nice little fantasy world you live in there with your little boxes to put people in.
believe whatever you want. I have given up trying to dissuade right wingers from believing in the fiction and fairy tales which give you guys such comfort.
this liberal gun-owner will just sit back, laugh and shake his head at the reality that so many people who pretend to be well informed, actually think the horsesh*t in your joke is real.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 15:32
Guess you have failed to realize ObooBoo is taking away our 2nd amendment rights.
There are NO liberal gun owners … just stupid people with guns that shouldnt have any.
Fwd: Sensible Gun Control
This explains why there has been no attempt on Mr. Obama or his vice
president!
****In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the
United States .
****In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of
the United States who later died from the wound.
****In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy,
President of the United States .
****In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald
Ford, President of the United States .
****In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald
Reagan, President of the United States .
****In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
****In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15
people in an Oklahoma post office.
****In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people
at a GMAC office.
****In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, TX .
****In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
****In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
8 people at a church service.
****In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in
a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US .
****In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7
people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
****In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho, shot and killed
32 people in Virginia Tech.
****In 2010 a registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
****In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie
theater and shot and killed 12 people.
****In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7
people in Minneapolis.
****In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed
26 people in a school in Newtown, CT.
****As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy
ship yard.
Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.
Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative
was involved in any of these shootings and murders.
SOLUTION:
It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.
…Best idea I’ve heard to date!
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 13:26
Sorry …Muslims do NOT belong anywhere in our politics!
_______
You get to decide who belongs in our politics.
Perhaps you would be more comfortable in Saudi Arabia. They believe as you do.
Who cares what some Muslims say??
Seven Mountains dominionism seeks to place Christians in control over the seven forces that shape and control our culture: (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion. The reason for this, as Lance Wallnau, the leading advocate for Seven Mountains theology, explained is that Jesus “doesn’t come back until He’s accomplished the dominion of nations.” And the way “dominion of nations” is accomplished is by having Christians gain control of these “seven mountains” in order to install a “virtual theocracy” overseen by “true apostles” who will fight Satan and his Antichrist agenda.
Many would say THEY don’t belong in our politics.
Do you have proof, or is it another urban legend that you guys pass off as fact?
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 15:29
So …you would trust them over ….say, me?
Hmmmm …as long as you avoid talking about their prophet, Muhammad, you are safe.
But once you tease them & want to name a teddy bear: Muhammad ….your head will be rolling on the ground!
Who is really out of touch here, I wonder?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 16:25
Depends upon who they are.
I know Muslims that I would trust more than any religious nut jobs, Muslims who support our founding principles and rule of law, and have nothing but contempt for fundamentalist Muslims.
I don’t know you.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 18:07
Well, there you go …
you don’t shi_ite from shinola about Islam as a religion, do you? Islam’s first authority is their totalitarian cult type religion.
Their Sharia Laws are in direct conflict with our first amendment rights.
Their quranic verses say NOT to be friends with NON-muslims. They want you to trust them so they can convert or kill you.
Do muslims today act like Ishmael?
Arrogant, violent, pretenders of peace, recalcitrant, angry & rebellious?
Let’s find out. What does the bible say about Ishmael’s character?
Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s
hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Even IF the whole world became muslim, there would be consistent continued violence.
Muslims
LOVE & taught to kill, even each other!
In the book
by Leon Uris: “THE HAJ” says:
It was me
AGAINST my brother.
Me & my
brother AGAINST our father
My family
AGAINST my cousins & the clan
The clan
AGAINST the tribe
The Tribe
AGAINST the world
& all
of us AGAINST the infidel
WHERE IS
THERE PEACE?
Islam LIES
when it states it is a peaceful religion.
Nothing is
further from the truth.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 18:45
you don’t shi_ite from shinola about Islam as a religion, do you? Islam’s first authority is their totalitarian cult type religion.
Their Sharia Laws are in direct co
_________
Thou dost project too much Methinks.
My husband is from India. (an atheist, brought up as a Hindu).
I have been there many times. His dad worked for a Muslim company for 40 years. They used to live very close to a Muslim neighborhood where you could hear the Adhan.
Most of his relatives work in the Gulf.
He is a physician and many of his colleagues are Muslim, (especially) from Pakistan.
His family and now myself have been to many Muslim weddings as they have been to ours.
I think that YOU get YOUR knowledge of Islam from anti-Islamic cartoons.
Do that mean there is no problem?
Absolutely not.
The truth is that Islam must undergo a reformation as Christianity did.
We no longer engage in genocide, because we are secular nations.
But again;
Saadat Hasan Manto wrote
“Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s
Wrote; “21 February
1954
“Dear Uncle,
I wrote to you only a few days ago
and here I am writing again. My admiration and respect for you are going up at
about the same rate as your progress towards a decision to grant military aid
to Pakistan. I tell you I feel like writing a letter a day to you.
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in
the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our
country will have to shut shop….”
Saadat Hasan Manto wrote
“Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s
“21 February 1954
Dear Uncle,
I wrote to you only a few days ago
and here I am writing again. My admiration and respect for you are going up at
about the same rate as your progress towards a decision to grant military aid
to Pakistan. I tell you I feel like writing a letter a day to you.
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism. Once military aid
starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would
also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats, not to forget small stones
that they use to soak up the after-drops following a call of nature. Cutthroat
razors and scissors should be top of the list, as well as American hair color
lotions. That should keep these fellows happy and in business.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in
the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our
country will have to shut shop. I can visualize the mullahs, their hair trimmed
with American scissors and their pajamas stitched by American machines in
strict conformity with the Sharia. The stone they use for their after-drops of
you know what will be American, untouched by human hand, and their prayer mats
would be American too. Everyone will then become your camp follower, owing
allegiance to you and none else.”
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism. Once military aid
starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would
also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats. Cutthroat razors and scissors
should be top of the list, as well as American hair color lotions. That should
keep these fellows happy and in business.
No one listened.
No one listened to the red flags sent up when we over threw democratically elected Mossadegh for Anglo Iranian Oil, (NOW called BP).
On one listened to the warnings when we supported the Muslim Brotherhood because Nasser was a “socialist” who threatened to nationalize of the Suez Canal.
Not to mention supporting the Wahhabis in Saudi.
But there is a big market in misinforming people.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 19:07
I debate them all the time.
Your letters mean nothing to me.
There are three major types of religions in India … among the MILLIONS!
Have been debating them for over seven years on YouTube!
Hmmmm ….the “fruit” of this peaceful religion is on the front page of most newspapers or networks across the globe.
Here is just a small sample.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/muslims-conduct-human-sacrifice-on-video/
Editor’s Note: EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED: The videos
linked and embedded at the end of the story are extremely graphic, showing
brutal executions.
http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/pakistan-muslim-husband-murders-woman-for-bearing-six-daughters.html/#
Pakistan: Muslim Husband Murders Woman
for Bearing Six Daughters
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/03/jihadists-arrested-north-carolina-terrorism-charges-planned-travel-syria-yemen-fight-islam/
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/10000-schoolgirls-victims-of-u-k-sex-gangs/
http://eaglerising.com/5479/muslim-mob-murders-young-christian-girl/
http://eaglerising.com/5650/islamic-extremists-nigeria-slaughter-200-christians/
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/05/media-silent-crucifixion-of-christians-islamic-jihadists/
http://news.yahoo.com/sudanese-woman-sentenced-death-apostasy-123904046.html
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/muslims-crucify-two-teen-boys-christians/
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/religion-peace-glory-viewer-warning/
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/13/20476580-outrage-over-death-of-yemeni-child-bride-8-on-wedding-night
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/saudi-islamists-gang-rape-3-year-old-girl-rupturing-her-insides/
Saudi Islamists Gang Rape 3 Year Old Girl “Rupturing Her Insides
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 19:34
Oh please.
From your sources, what next?
Rosie O’Donnell as an expert on Islam??
As for; “Your letters mean nothing to me.”
So letters from a Pakistani warning you in 1950 that by supporting radical Islam over democracy, because it was better for businesses that we were fostering exactly the kind of rot that is happening?
I know it means nothing to you.
That is why you are so ignorant.
So why did you support radical Islam for decades?
And do you really not think that they also have a collection of all the horrible murders and brutality that happen all over the Christian world and attribute it to Christianity??
Read the English speaking Pakistani papers once in a while. (very different from the rural guns, God and gays crowd).
Here’s a nice little video for you; (Most of the Bollywood actors in India are Muslim);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAO8oc93UVQ
She was a hero in the English speaking papers.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 20:39
Have you ever debated a Muslim?
SERIOUSLY!
What do you know of their religion?
Below is a link to my YouTube profile page.
Muahhhh has beeen very very busy protecting our Christian heritage against the ONLY religion to give permission to their followers to lie!
https://www.youtube.com/user/Edna0210/discussion
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 20:48
I’m sorry. I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
I know you think you do.
Again, I have a family who has had professional, school, neighborly and friendly,relationships with Muslims.
My husband did a residency with an Iranian Jew who’s parents still live in
Teharan.
You cherry pick the most extreme elements of the most ignorant and backward and want to believe that it represents the whole.
Frankly, you seem to have much more in common with those you hate than you know.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 20:58
Your excuses are tiresome & sickening, actually.
It is, to me, an implication of cowardice.
You make excuses as they do.
Answer the question,please.
HAVE YOU EVER DEBATED A MUSLIM, on religion ?
yes or no?
Try it …. then like a teacher did …. she innocently tried to name a teddy bear: Muhammad & almost got her head taken from her shoulders!
This is a deceptively VIOLENT, bigoted, intolerant religion based on sex, lies & death.
Their deceptive passiveness leads to violence.
Now…. answer my question, please.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 21:12
Your excuses are tiresome & sickening, actually
_______
It’s mutual, I’m sure.
Go to another country.
Go to India, and talk to people in Muslim neighborhoods.
Go to the Gulf. At least talk to people from these countries.
Answer your question????
Have I ever debated a Muslim on religion???
I have debated people of all religions on religion, including Muslims.
My husband has told a Muslim friend to “Fv*k your God and his prophet”
So what?
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 21:29
Do you believe we share the same God?
Did your husband say that to a Muslim in their country or ours?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 21:33
Do you believe we share the same God?
_______
I don’t believe in a Christian, Hindu or Muslim god.
My husband said that in Mumbai.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 21:37
Thanks, I see.
Kind of…
tired of them all ….. ehhh?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 21:43
Yep.
William June 6th, 2014 at 13:54
A muslim martyr says: “YOU will die for what I believe”
Really?
Explain this.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 15:26
William,
Israel profiles them & is successful keeping their citizens safe.
But while you are in the delusional mood…
explain this:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/muslims-conduct-human-sacrifice-on-video/
Editor’s Note: EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED: The videos
linked and embedded at the end of the story are extremely graphic, showing
brutal executions.
http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/pakistan-muslim-husband-murders-woman-for-bearing-six-daughters.html/#
Pakistan: Muslim Husband Murders Woman
for Bearing Six Daughters
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/03/jihadists-arrested-north-carolina-terrorism-charges-planned-travel-syria-yemen-fight-islam/
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/10000-schoolgirls-victims-of-u-k-sex-gangs/
http://eaglerising.com/5479/muslim-mob-murders-young-christian-girl/
http://eaglerising.com/5650/islamic-extremists-nigeria-slaughter-200-christians/
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/05/media-silent-crucifixion-of-christians-islamic-jihadists/
http://news.yahoo.com/sudanese-woman-sentenced-death-apostasy-123904046.html
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/muslims-crucify-two-teen-boys-christians/
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/religion-peace-glory-viewer-warning/
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/13/20476580-outrage-over-death-of-yemeni-child-bride-8-on-wedding-night
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/saudi-islamists-gang-rape-3-year-old-girl-rupturing-her-insides/
Saudi Islamists Gang Rape 3 Year Old Girl “Rupturing Her Insides
Sheikh Ibrahim Mahdi(Palestinian Cleric) Palestinian TV,
2001
“Blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons & plunged into the midst of the Jews crying, ‘Allah Ahkbar, Praise to Allah!’ There is no god but allah & Mohammed is his messenger.”
John Loftus (former federal prosecutor)
“I think the worst form of child abuse is to teaching a child to hate. But we have on Palestinian TV & on Saudi TV over & over again, how little kids being taught,’I want to be a
suicide bomber’.”
John Loftus (former federal prosecutor)
“Arab children are being taught that the Jews are inherently not human, that they are born from monkeys & pigs. That it is perfectly alright to kill them. That it is a command from allah, to kill all Jews.”
Hassan Nasrallah (Hizbollah Secretary General)(Al-Manar TV
2005)
“The most honorable death is by killing & the most honorable killing & most glorious martyrdom, is when a man is killed for the sake of allah.”
Abu Hamza Al-Masri (former leader & supporter of Shariah)
Abu Hamza Al-Masri has a prosthesis-hook on his right hand.
“What makes allah happy? Allah is happy when non-muslims get killed.”
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 20:27
who can explain why anyone would use WND as a source and expect people not to laugh at them
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 20:42
What do I care?
Your sources? Hmmmm… could it be from one below?
TV NEWS
organizations ties to the White House!
Just simple family connections???
My, isn’t this
interesting…..This explains a few things…
CNN … CNN
President, Virginia Moseley, is MARRIED to Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary;
Tom Nides
CBS … CBS
President, David Rhodes, is BROTHER to top Obama official; Ben Rhodes (who
changed Benghazi talking points)
ABC … ABC
President, Ben Sherwood, is BROTHER to Obama special advisor; Elizabeth
Sherwood
ABC … Jay Carney’s
wife works for ABC
MSNBC has altered
videos altered stories & altered pictures to enable racism in this country
& Obamas
re-election victory
Remember when they
first came out with the picture of Trayvon Martin as a 10 yr child allegedly
KILLED by Zimmerman?
Who in this
country believed Zimmerman killed a child? A child instead of an adult, as
MSNBC alluded to via the picture they posted? I believed Zimmerman DID kill a
child!
MSNBC also
doctored video recordings to this case, the shootings in Colorado & Newton,
Connecticut.
The transparency
& truth no longer exists in this administration as it does in the networks
cited above.
ht tp : / / dailycaller. com/2014/02/07/shameful-smear-tactics-msnbc-tries-to-link-ed-gillespie-to-war-criminal-milosevic/
‘Shameful smear tactics’: MSNBC tries to link Ed
Gillespie to war criminal Milosevic
MSNBC
forced to apologize to conservatives for bi-racial Cheerios Ad comment
(race-baiting)
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/cbs-conceals-family-ties-to-benghazi-scandal/
Obama’s former Car Czar, Steve Rattner closed down 788 dealerships
4 donating money 2 Republicans. Ones donating 2 Dems were saved. In fact,
Clinton’s former White House Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns chain of
dealerships partnered w/Robert Johnson (BET) now have virtual monopoly on
Chrysler sales.
How did Rattner get the list of donors? His wife, Maureen White!
Maureen happens to be the former
national finance chairman of the DNC. As such, she would
have access 2 campaign donation records
How many
organizations &/or people of suspect … is Barack Hussein Obama tied to
directly & indirectly?
DEMOS, IPS(Institute
for Policy Studies), ACORN, PROJECT VOTE, CAIR, ACLU, LA RAZA, MOVEONE, MEDIA
MATTERS, GEORGE SOROS, BILL AYERS, TONY REZKO, CODE PINK, BLACK PANTHERS,
NATION OF ISLAM, JEREMIAH WRIGHT, LOUIS FARRAHKAN, NAACP, BLACK CONGRESSIONAL
CAUCUS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD, DSA
Have you heard of Demos? IPS?
Weather Underground? SDS? Van Jones? Obama? Connections are amazing.
Did you know that Vernon Jarrett
(Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law) was a communist party member and worked with
Frank Marshall Davis in Chicago before Davis went to Hawaii? Vernon Jarrett
hired Michelle Robinson while she was engaged to Barack Hussein Obama (See
newzeal.blogspot for proof).
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-responds-officials-come-under-fire-081331257.html?bcmt=comments-postbox
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:50
Here is a history lesson for you.
Read & learn.
Bill Clinton & Al Gore were absent on the war on terror. They FAILED to respond:
**To the first attack on W.T.C. in 1993
**Cut-n-Ran when Al Qaeda ambushed U.S. Army Rangers in Mogadishu
**Called for Regime change in Iraq when Saddam Hussein expelled the U.N. weapon inspectors. But then, failed to remove Saddam or to get him to allow U.N. inspectors back in.
**Failed to respond to the murder of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia.
**Failed on the attack of the U.S.S. Cole, American warship, in Yemen
**When two American Embassies in Africa were bombed, Bill Clinton had two missiles fired one went into an Aspirin Factory in Sudan and the other went into an empty
tent in Afghanistan.
**Refused to kill or capture Osama Bin Ladin when they had a dozen chances to do so.
** All this & they still hadn’t put in place simple Airport Security Measures recommended by his own task force. These measures, if they’d been implemented may have prevented 9/11
In short, the Clinton/Gore response was limp-wristed & supine. But what is worse is that Al Gore refused to concede a lost Presidential Election, thereby breaking a hundred year tradition.
Gore delayed the transition by two months.
Bush had a comprehensive Anti-terror Plan (Clinton/Gore had none) ordered on taking office & did not arrive on his desk until the day before 9/11.
But in fact, the first and last rationale in every government statement was not the WMDs but the removal of Saddam Hussein or Regime Change. Regime Change was necessary
because
Saddam was an international outlaw.
He violated the 1991 Gulf War Truce and all arms controls agreements it embodied. Including United Nations
Resolutions 687, 689 and the 15 subsequent U.N. Resolutions designed to enforce them. The last
U.N. Security Council Resolution, 1441, was itself a war ULTIMATUM to Saddam, giving him ‘one final opportunity’ to disarm or else. The ultimatum expired December 7th, 2002 and America went to war three months later.
In 1998, Al Gore and Bill Clinton themselves called for the removal of Saddam Hussein by force when Saddam
expelled the U.N. Weapons Inspectors.
A clear violation of the Gulf War Truce.
This was the reason Clinton/Gore sent an “Iraqi Liberation Act” to Congress that year and it is why in 2002 the Congressional Democrats voted and authorized the President to remove him.
The entire Clinton/Gore National Security Team, Secretary of
State, Secretary of Defense & the Director of C.I.A. supported Bush when he sent
in troops to Iraq March 2003.
Authorization of use of force bill passed by majority of both parties in both houses is the legal basis for the
Presidents war. Yet, these Democrats betray their own words, actions & our troops by their slanders. The bill has 23 “whereas” clauses justifying the war. Two of these clauses refer to WMDs &12 refer to U.N. Resolutions Violations.
On the very eve of the war, March 17th, two days before the invasion, Bush issued an 11th hour ultimatum to Saddam to leave the country or face war. If Saddam left there would be no invasion. Isn’t it sad the Democrats blame Bush and not Saddam?
If Saddam would have left Bush knew whoever ruled would have honored the U.N. Resolutions.
The argument that Bush manipulated the facts
about Iraqi WMDs to pursue war is false.
Bush acted on the consensus of every Intelligence Agency like the British, French, Russians,
Germans & the Jordanians-all of whom believed Saddam had WMDs. Bush can not be accused of ‘inventing’ their existence, but Gore & the other Demagogues accuse Bush on a daily basis. Every Democratic Senator who voted 4 the war was provided, by the Administration a copy of the Intelligence Report/Data on Saddams WMDs. Charges by Gore & other Democrats are cynical, hypocritical as
well as false.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 13:18
Spare me your right wing Horowitz
propaganda.
Just even looking at the
very beginning…
Clinton successfully
prosecuted the WTC bombers, Mohammed A. Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad,
Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad M. Ajaj, Omar Abdel-Rahman, are all in prison, which is better than YOUR guys.
Clinton DID respond, (you
guys were more interested in Monica), while Bush’s buddies in Saudi, killed all
the witness of the Khorbar Towers,
The Cole???
Really????
Bush appointee Barbara Bodine was US ambassador to Yemen and blocked former
FBI Anti-Terror specialist John ONeill and his team’s investigation in Yemin;
“The FBI and some White House officials, in turn,
suspected Bodine was too sympathetic toward the Yemenis. The FBI special agent
in charge, John O’Neill, was forced to return to New York after butting heads
too many times with the ambassador.”
Meanwhile,
On 19 January 2001, the U.S. Navy completed and
released its Judge Advocate General Manual (JAGMAN) investigation of the
incident…… just days, before the new administration. Clinton did not want to
leave the new administration with the same kind of mess Bush Sr left him in Mogadishu.
As for Saddam… AFTER YOU
guys propped him up and armed him???
Then decided to come up
with bogus reasons for taking him out at the expense of how many lives??
If Bush thought that
Saddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?
Answer because as the
PNACers said in;
Rebuilding America’s Defenses;
“Further, the process of transformation, even if
it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Rebuilding America’s Defenses, pp 51
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
This was the biggest bamboozle of the American people in history.
Don’t be such a sucker.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 15:39
Shame …shame …. shame. …
If you had read the Horowitz history lesson you would have answered your own post.
You said:
[[[If Bush thought thatSaddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?]]]]
Horowitz replies:
In 1998, Al Gore and Bill Clinton themselves called for the removal of Saddam Hussein by force when Saddam
expelled the U.N. Weapons Inspectors.
A clear violation of the Gulf War Truce.
This was the reason Clinton/Gore sent an “Iraqi Liberation Act” to Congress that year and it is why in 2002 the Congressional Democrats voted
and authorized the President to remove him.
The entire Clinton/Gore National Security Team, Secretary of
State, Secretary of Defense & the Director of C.I.A. supported Bush when he sent in troops to Iraq March 2003.
Authorization of use of force bill passed by majority of both parties in both houses is the legal basis for the
Presidents war. Yet, these Democrats betray their own words, actions & our troops by their slanders. The bill has 23 “whereas” clauses justifying the war.Two of these clauses refer to WMDs &12 refer to U.N. Resolutions Violations.
To which I add …. there were WMD’s!
http://conservativebyte.com/2013/04/bush-was-right-there-were-wmds/
Bush was right! Saddam did have
WMD’s!
Who else gave Saddam Chemical
weapons to use against Iran!
WE did!
Saddam also used them against his
own people, the KURDS!
He annihilated over 100,000+!
ht tp : / / w ww. truthorfiction.
com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake. ht m
500 Tons of Uranium Yellowcake
Secretly Moved From Iraq to Canada-Truth!
ht tp : / / w ww. msnbc. msn.
com/id/25546334
Video proof Saddam had WMDs!!
ht tp : / / uk. youtube. com/watch?v=FWzCQi-K5d4&feature=email
Bush inherited the
“IRAQI LIBERATION ACT” bill proposed by Al & Bill in 1998 & passed in
2002 to go into Iraq. Bush didn’t want to go into Afghanistan but what choice
did he have after 9/11?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 16:12
Shame …shame …. shame. …
If you had read the Horowitz history lesson you would have answered your own post.
You said:
[[[If Bush thought thatSaddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?]]]]
___________
Shame on you for believing a hate monger like David Horowitz.
Clinton never advocated for a air attack of the entire country, a ground invasion and an occupation which is what counter insurgency is.
And we all know that Saddam used the weapons we sold him against his own people.
And Bush sr. was so upset that he said, “that’s a shame” as he flew over.
Nothing changed between the election cycle of 1999 -2000 and the war on Iraq, except the PNAC got their Pearl Harbor to use as an excuse to take over the resources of another country.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 18:02
Good!
Let’s use what you wrote here,shall we?
You said:
[[Nothing changed between the election cycle of 1999 -2000 and the war on Iraq, except the PNAC got their Pearl Harbor to use as an excuse to take over the resources of another country.]]
Now show me where anyone from our coalition partners or ourselves took anything from Iraq!
Muslims are always exaggerating we took oil … I tell them we never took an ounce or a drop of oil … what say you?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 18:16
Halliburton,Veritas CapitalFund/DynCorp,Washington Group International, Environmental Chemical, Aegis, International American Products, Erinys, Flour, Perini, Parsons, URS Corp, First Kuwaiti General Trading & Contracting , Armor Holdings , L3 Communications, AM General, HSBC Bank, Cummins, MerchantBridge, GlobalRisk Strategies, ControlRisks, CACI, Bechtel, Custer Battles, Nour,USA, General Dynamics…. To name a few.
Then;
Contractors Reap $138 Billion from Iraq War
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/business/iraq-war-contractors/
Did I say anything about oil?
That was how they sold the cost.
The were wrong about that as well.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 18:44
Ohhhhhh….I get it now!
You are referring to …
BUSINESS!
Here I was assuming you were saying we STOLE from the Iraqis!
In all of these deals there were bi-partisan involvement.
So ….who stole what?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 18:59
You are referring to …
BUSINESS!
________
That was the only reason to go.
We did.
We stole from the Iraqis when we destroyed their infrastructure, and paid cronies to try and rebuild it.
We stole from US taxpayers…transferred the wealth from the taxpayers to the contractors.
one tiny example;
In fact, the Iraqi government told our Coalition Provisional Authority that they did not wish the prison to be built. It was not needed, not necessary, and would not be used.
And you can see from these pictures that one of the buildings — the second floor is without a roof. There’s no plumbing, no electricity. No windows have been put in. The roads in the complex are in shambles.
And one of the witnesses today will describe a meeting he attended at which the Iraqi Minister of Justice told American officials of the Iraqi government not wanting the prison to be built.
It was nonetheless built. American taxpayers spent $40 million. And now the Whale, an unused Iraqi prison, sits unused on the desert in desperate disrepair, likely never to be used.
http://psm.du.edu/media/documents/congressional_comm/democratic_policy_committee/congress_dpcc_hearing47_2008_transcript.pdf
“Theft of such a staggering sum might seem unlikely, but U.S. officials aren’t ruling it out. Some U.S. contractors were accused of siphoning off tens of millions in kickbacks and graft during the post-invasion period, especially in its chaotic early days. But Iraqi officials were viewed as prime offenders”.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 19:10
Don’t mince or twist words.
WE NEVER STOLE …. if we built back up.
Who cares about the cronies we stole from or you say we did.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 19:16
So we will see if you say that if someone bombs YOUR house, (not covered by insurance) then gets rich doling out contracts.
Don’t be silly.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 20:36
Don’t be so shocked or naive…
that kind of thing happens all the time.
How many financially strapped people have NO insurance & get their cars stolen or their houses catch fire?
THE RICH GET RICHER?
We all pay the piper at the end of the game.
Just as OBooBoo is the culprit at the end of these scandals which are all the same rabbit hole.
Epiphany Dh June 6th, 2014 at 22:49
The next time you post a graphic and violent video link you will be shown the door. Behave yourself if possible. Thanks.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 23:20
Epiphany DH,
Nobody is stopping you…. here’s more!
NOW BAN ME!
Afraid of the truth?
Some of this stuff is happening here in America by Muslims!
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/ohio-islamic-school-childrens-ankles-wrists-chained-beaten-long-stick-learning-religious-passages/
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0309/Christian-homes-torched-by-Pakistani-mob
Christian homes
torched by Pakistani mob
Dozens of Christian homes were torched
by a mob of hundreds in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore on Saturday, after
a Christian man was accused of blaspheming the Prophet Mohammad.
By
Rebecca Santana and Zaheer Babar, Associated Press / March 9, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/islamists-said-execute-15-old-syrian-boy-heresy-224113788.html
Islamists
said to execute 15-year-old Syrian boy for heresy
http://global.christianpost.com/news/fifty-christians-burned-alive-in-pastors-home-in-nigeria-78303/
Fifty Christians
Burned Alive in Pastor’s Home in Nigeria
Reports
disclosed that over 100 people were killed by armed terrorists this past week,
who went on a 12-village killing spree in Nigeria’s Plateau state. Islamic
extremist group Boko Haram has once again taken responsibility for the
assaults.
William June 7th, 2014 at 02:36
Your point?
Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/17/13321512-attacks-on-us-mosques-prompt-muslim-security-concerns?lite
White Youths Who Torched Black Churches Get Prison
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-04/news/mn-63983_1_black-churches
Some of this stuff is happening here in America by Christians
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 08:29
William,
What exactly …. seriously, what do you know of the ISLAMIC RELIGION?
Are you a Muslim, William?
Do you realize that only Islam gives all muslims permission to lie?
Do you know that Christians do NOT:share Gods, prophets, Jesus, Heaven or the Pentateuch with Islam?
Islam reintroduced their own versions… 600 years after the fact.
William June 7th, 2014 at 10:21
Guess what? Nice trick (signing is as guest)
I am a Christian.
Again. I’m not sure what country you live in, but here in America there is freedom of religion.
The bible has no bearing on the laws of this nation whatsoever.
Please take your theocratic BS elsewhere.
Now quick…run and hide. I think there is a Mooos-lim is coming to get you.
Living in your little world of fear, intolerance paranoia and hate would be (to me) much worse than death.
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 19:15
The liberals pressured for the release of Gitmo prisoners and then after 28% of them returned to the battle field, they criticized Bush for releasing them.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/06/160678301/percent-of-detainees-who-return-to-terrorism-after-release-edges-up
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 19:49
1) Where does it say “liberals pressured for the release of Gitmo prisoners”?
What liberals?
How many were released between 2004 2007?
2) If you don’t want them released, charge them
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 20:44
I said it. You’re one and my liberal brother is another for starters; plus the endless talking heads on the news.
There was a constant cry to release the prisoners because they were being denied their right to a speedy trial.
Actually, they weren’t entitled to a speedy trial for a couple of reasons. 1. they weren’t US citizens. 2. combatants captured on the battlefield may be held until the end of the conflict.
The number released up to 2009 was 520.
If we use the same 28% recidivism rate, then we can expect 1 or more of those released will reengage in the battle. Considering these 5 were high ranking, it could be even higher.
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 21:34
I wanted them charged or not brought here at all. Many of them were sold by war lords and we don’t know who they were. Some were ordered by the courts to be released.
If we could not charge them, and we did not call them POWs we had no right to hold them. It
was the conservative Court who agreed.
these 5 were high ranking but none were facing charges in either military or civilian courts for their actions. It remains an open question whether the end of U.S.
involvement in the armed conflict in Afghanistan requires that all Guantanamo detainees must be released. But there is no doubt that Taliban detainees captured in Afghanistan must be released because the armed conflict against the Taliban will be over.
Since when did Bush listen to “liberals”???
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 21:43
Bush listened to far more liberals than Obama has ever listen to any conservatives.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 07:08
As usual, I think the truth is 180 degrees opposite of the reality.
The Republican strategy was; Obstruct then blame Obama and Democrats for the damage done by the obstruction.
They knew they could count on the fact that it is much harder for the public to follow the positions of Congress over the years, than it is to follow the POTUS.
It was easy to polarize, then say “this is the most polarizing president…”.No matter HOW much Obama reaches out.
As former Sen. George Voinovich goes on record telling … “If Obama was for it, we had to be against it. “He [McConnell] wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”
At a meeting at the Caucus Room , Frank Luntz, and senior GOP members worked out a plan on
inauguration day, 2009, to repeatedly block Obama over the coming four years to try to ensure he would not be re-elected.
(At the peak of the greatest crisis since 1929).
Hence, Cap and Trade went from being “market solutions” when Republicans promoted it to anti
businesses “Cap and Tax” when Obama shunned his base and reached across the aisle to promote a policy that REPUBLICANS had supported in the past.
Republicans who had embraced healthcare mandates as “personal responsibility”, called it Socialism, Marxism, Maoism and carried sign comparing it to Dachau.
(See ;1993, Consumer Choice Health Security Act (SB 1743)
Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act (SB 1770))
They filibuster their own bills, while they filibuster Court appointees endorsed by the two Oklahoma
senators (when the filibuster is broke he receives unanimous confirmation).
Even Leon Hadar from the American Conservative;
In a way, much of what Obama has been advocating on domestic policy is not very different from what a Bush I administration (or Nixon, Ford or Eisenhower) would be doing, ranging from raising taxes, reforming immigration policy, or protecting the environment. Obama, in short, is not a socialist or a even a social-democrat, just a good old centrist Republican.
Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That’s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx
That’s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year’s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn’t even come from higher tax rates
Meanwhile;
BY BRUCE BARTLETT,
The Fiscal Times
August 5, 2011
“In a recent column, I argued that Barack Obama has in
practice governed as a moderate conservative.
No doubt, many of these conservatives would say today that they are disappointed that Obama didn’t follow through on his centrist promise. Nevertheless, it’s clear that Obama’s conservatism, which I believe is fully evident in his policies as president, has long been there to see by those
willing to be honest with themselves.”
I have no doubt that if the mentality of this GOP Congress had been transported back to 1964, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would have gone down in flames because EVERY Republican, (along with every Southern Democrat) would have opposed it, instead of just EVERY Southern Republican and EVERY Southern Democrat…. just to deny the president a bipartisan victory.
It was also Obama’s compromising that caused many liberals to stay home in 2010.
cliftymike June 6th, 2014 at 07:46
yep…..but it does not matter, just what the facts are.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 10:16
Good information, I’ll have to check it out. I see things a little bit different as a conservative and an Independent, with leanings towards Libertarian.
I have a couple of questions.
1. Why does Harry Reid refuse to put to a vote bills that passed in the House by a large majority?
2. Why take from those who paid for benefits as Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare.
3. Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, but they never run out of money for Welfare, Food Stamps, and subsidized housing?
4. Could it be that Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because of his lack of experience? He never supervised personnel, he had no military experience, he had no business experience, and he never had to personally meet a payroll. In fact, he was never in charge of anything significant, ever.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 11:53
Good information, I’ll have to check it out. I see things a little bit different as a conservative and an Independent, with leanings towards Libertarian.
I have a couple of questions.
1. Why does Harry Reid refuse to put to a vote bills that passed in the House by a large majority?
~ The same reason that Boehner wouldn’t allow the Continuing Resolution that passed the Senate, unemployment, immigration….
2. Why take from those who paid for benefits as Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare.
~ Actually, what Obama offered was NOT to increase the chained CPI.
3. Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, but they never run out of money for Welfare, Food Stamps, and subsidized housing?
~ We are NOT running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, which have their OWN funding.
One might also say, Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security, Medicare, and safety nets for the poor and working poor, but ALWAYS have money for corporate welfare, especially defense contractors?
4. Could it be that Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because of his lack of experience?
~ Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because they do not want the economy to improve while he is POTUS.
Their own quotes make it very clear that their only goal is to obstruct what the people vote for so that they can blame Obama for the People’s will not being carried out.
Again, these are decisions that they supported in the past.
Bush was a failed businessman and governor of a state where compared to the governors of other U.S. states, the governorship of Texas is a fairly weak office. The Lieutenant Governor of
Texas, who presides over the state Senate, is considered a more powerful political figure, being able to exercise greater personal prerogatives.
Here the people spoke loud and clear in both opinion polls AND the poll that we call the election.
As for those who HAVE….He never supervised personnel, he had no military experience, he had no business experience, and he never had to personally meet a payroll. In fact, he was never in charge of anything significant, ever.
They are the ones who tanked the economy and squandered our blood and treasure.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 15:42
I’m not sure how showing that Obama lacked any experience got turned around to attack Bush. You claim Bush was a failed business man, yet he made money for his investors. Obama couldn’t fail at business because he never had to earn a living working at anything that produced.
I have many friends from Texas and they absolutely loved Bush as Governor. They didn’t like his spending as president, and neither did I, but they love the man.
Here is more history on the man…
“Bush assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989 and later built the Rangers’ new home, the Ballpark at Arlington. He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected governor on November 8, 1994. In a historic reelection victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. During three Texas legislative sessions, Governor Bush worked in a spirit of bipartisan cooperation with the lieutenant governor, speaker of the house, and members of the Texas legislature to enact historic reforms to improve public schools, cut taxes, put welfare recipients to work, curb frivolous lawsuits, encourage new business and job growth, and strengthen criminal justice laws.”
What tanked our economy was sub-prime mortgages and the lack of oversight by those in charge; namely Dodd and Frank.
There are many articles regarding the cause for the sub-prime problem that cause the recession and they point fingers on who promoted it and who warned against it.
I lost my money after the dot.com bubble busted. Should we blame that on Clinton? Bush inherited the recession, just like Obama inherited a recession. The only difference is Bush’s policies took us out of it and Obama’s haven’t, even though he through a trillion dollars at the problem.
I’m not sure how anyone can defend Obama as a good leader based on his own work experience and the people he surrounded himself with. His administration had the lowest percent of people with any public business experience in history.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 16:04
I don’t know why you think that someone who made money for investors is qualified to have an agenda followed without question.
Especially when Bush got contracts (For Harken) that more experienced companies did not, (his dad was POTUS);
A 1985 disclosure shows Bush’s track record: Investors got back only 45 cents on the dollar, but few complained.
Investors also got tax deductions averaging more than 80 cents on every dollar invested. Those early Bush ventures were mainly tax shelters.
When his father was president, there were suspicions that the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain tried to enrich the younger Bush. Bahrain granted an exclusive drilling contract to Harken Energy Corporation, in which the younger Bush held stock. But he says he opposed the deal.
He also used the government to take the Mathis’s family land in order to build Texas Stadium.
The economy tanked because the get government off the backs of business crowd, the GOP Congress/Clinton and Greenspan stopped regulating.
Bush said;
Freddie Mac recently began 25 initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create greater opportunities for homeownership. One of the programs is designed to help deserving
families who have bad credit histories to qualify for homeownership loans.
The other thing Kirbyjon told me, which I really appreciate, is you don’t have to have a lousy home for first-time home buyers. If you put your mind to it, the first-time home buyer, the low-income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else.
His state is at the bottom in education, wages, health insurance….
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html
Also;
Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.
In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency , invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government’s actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all
50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.
I think Obama has done a really good job under the worst conditions, in the most toxic climate, surrounded by people who are bought and paid for by Big Business in both parties, and an opposition for whom failure is a strategy.
I think he has surrounded himself with wonderful people who reflect the will of the American people, whereas Bush, surrounded himself with old Iran Contra felons, and those like Cheney and Wolfowitz, who have been wrong for 40 years;
The Committee on the Present Danger (CPD aka Team B) is a hawkish “advocacy organization” first founded in 1950 and re-formed in 1976 to push for larger defense budgets and arms buildups, to counter the Soviet Union.
Team B also claimed that the Soviets were working on an anti-acoustic submarine, though they failed to find any evidence of one. The hawks explained away this lack of evidence by stating
that “the submarine may have already been deployed because it appeared to
have evaded detection.”
In the 1975, Richard Perle (Remember him?) leaked classified information Bob Novak (remember him?) of Rowland Evans and Novak to leak classified information in the 1970’s – and is now a member of the board of Hollinger International Inc., which owns the Chicago Sun-Times, the home newspaper of Novak’s syndicated column.
The Washington Post that Richard Perle was the chief suspect in another Novak-assisted leak of classified information in December 1975: “Novak, with his late partner Rowland Evans, got the classified leak – that President Ford and Secretary of State H.Kissinger were ready to make concessions to the Soviet Union to save SALTII.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 19:03
I guess I remember things differently. Obama has not had to deal with a GOP Senate, Bush had a Democratic Senate for 3.5 years of his presidency and learned to work with the other side, much like Clinton did.
As for the Fannie Freddie issue. McCain was also vocal about the impending disaster.
“Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. In fact, it was Congress that flatly rejected President Bush’s call more than five years ago to reform the GSEs. Over the years, the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems with the GSEs.”
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081009-10.html
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 19:14
They did say that, but their actions never matched their words.
Meanwhile;
Virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie.
Most subprime mortgages did not meet Fannie or Freddie’s lending standards. All
those no money down, no interest for a year, low teaser rate loans, and the loans made without checking a borrower’s income or employment history were all made in the private sector, without any support from Fannie and Freddie.
While the credit bubble was peaking from 2003 to 2006, the amount of loans originated by Fannie and Freddie dropped from $2.7 trillion to $1 trillion.
Meanwhile, in the private sector, the amount of subprime
loans originated jumped to $600 billion from $335 billion and Alt-A loans hit
$400 billion from $85 billion in 2003. Fannie and Freddie, which wouldn’t
accept crazy floating rate loans, which required income verification and
minimum down payments, were left out of the insanity
Rep. Barney Frank chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and his predecessor, Rep. Michael Oxley (R-OH) made efforts to enhance regulatory oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, including the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005 and sponsoring the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2007. Both of these bills called for a new agency to oversee and
regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
You know who also tried to warn about loose lending???
According to 1999 and 2000 reports in American Banker, ACORN was an outspoken, consistent advocate for exactly the kinds
of regulations that experts across the political spectrum now agree could have
prevented the global economic crisis.
On August 4, 2000, American Banker
reported on ACORN protests at nationwide offices of Lehman Brothers – the
investment bank that went bankrupt last month because of its investment in
over-valued mortgage-backed securities:
“Acorn members said they want
Lehman and other investment banks to sign a code of ethics, pledging to adhere
to ‘best practices’ in the mortgage Oakland lending business. Though the banks are not lenders, the group
argues that they provide capital and financial support to abusive lenders by
buying and securitizing their loans.
‘They have to look at the terms of the
loans they are funding and say they won’t buy or securitize loans with
unconscionable terms,’ said Bertha Lewis, executive director of Acorn in New York.
‘These secondary market players can see what kind of loans these are. They must
refuse to buy loans from predatory lenders.'”
The law would have
prohibited subprime mortgage lenders from making a loan unless the borrower
could afford it and had obtained a written certification from an independent
credit counselor stating that the borrower had received financial advice, which
was overturned in the Supreme Court of California: AMERICAN FINANCIAL SERVICES ) ASSOCIATION, v
CITY OF OAKLAND et al.,
American Financial Services, is a trade
association representing lenders,
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 20:59
This is how I remember it.
Fannie, Freddie caused the financial crisis – http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/story/2011-11-23/Fannie-Freddie-financial-crisis/51386932/1
“More than 70% of these 27 million weak mortgages were on the books of government agencies, primarily the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
Here’s why it happened. In 1992, Democratic controlled Congress adopted legislation that imposed “affordable housing” requirements on the GSEs.
2001
April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares
that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential
problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.” (2002 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 142)
2002
October:
Senator Thomas Carper (D-DE) refuses to acknowledge any necessity for GSE reforms, saying “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” (Sen. Carper, Hearing of Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, 10/16/03)
2003
September: Then-Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored
enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.
September:
Then-House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Barney Frank (D-MA) strongly disagrees with the Administration’s assessment, saying “these two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any
kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” (Stephen Labaton, “New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae,” The New York Times, 9/11/03)
2004
February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and
their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)
February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market’s] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)
April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an “artificial issue.” At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said “people tend to pay their mortgages.
I don’t think we are in any remote danger here. This focus
on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren’t
there.” (“Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue,” American
Banker, 4/21/04)
2005
April: Then-Secretary Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for
expanding homeownership opportunities in America … Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)
July: Then-Minority Leader Harry Reid rejects legislation reforming GSEs, “while I favor improving oversight by our federal housing regulators to ensure safety and soundness, we cannot pass legislation that could limit Americans from owning homes and potentially harm our economy in the
process.” (“Dems Rip New Fannie Mae Regulatory Measure,” United Press
International, 7/28/05)
2007 August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the
White House, 8/9/07)
I remember ACORN protesting the lenders to make more loans available.
“I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate
your work.” — Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 21:17
I said everything I have to say.
Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with it.
This was all Big investment banks looking for low risk investments that paid a good return.
They came up with mortgage backed securities to meet the demand of assets.
Wall Street loved them.
The demand mortgage backed securities was so high, that there was a point somewhere in 2003 when everyone who qualified for a mortgage got one, and still the global pool of money wanted more.
They figured that by the time they blew up, they will have made their money.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 21:45
I think we wore this one out.
I agree, greedy bankers and the availability of money are the main contributors.
Too many tried to place the blame on GWB and that is what I took exception to because the evidence proves otherwise. It started with the Community Reinvestment Act, a well intended program. It was poor oversight and the Congress’s failure to act after being warned of the impending problem.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 21:54
It started with the Community Reinvestment Act
______
We almost reached agreement.
84.3 percent of subprime loans in 2006
were made by financial institutions not governed by the CRA.
The
CRA does not cover independent mortgage companies, which issued the vast
majority of the loans underlying the crisis. The act applies only to depository banks and S&L’s
that are federally insured.
As subprime lending exploded in this
decade, CRA lost its relevance because it doesn’t cover the more loosely
regulated non-bank mortgage companies, which increasingly took the mortgage
market away from banks and thrifts.
According to
Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner, the claim that “the law
pushed banking institutions to undertake high-risk mortgage lending” was
contrary to their experience, and that no empirical evidence had been presented
to support the claim. In a Bank for International
Settlements (BIS) working paper, economist Luci Ellis concluded that
“there is no evidence that the Community Reinvestment Act was responsible
for encouraging the subprime lending boom and subsequent housing bust”,
relying partly on evidence that the housing bust has been a largely exurban
event.
In the February 2008 House hearing, law professor Michael S. Barr, a
Treasury Department official under President Clinton, stated that a Federal
Reserve survey showed that affected institutions considered CRA loans
profitable and not overly risky. He noted that approximately 50% of the
subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not
regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA
regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully
regulated by CRA made “perhaps one in four” sub-prime loans, and that
“the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with
the least federal oversight.
I think blaming the CRA is blaming poor people for the excess of rich bankers.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 22:07
Got it. The CRA was the vehicle the bankers exploited. The main thing is they need to find a balance where they don’t over correct and tighten the requirements so it is too hard to get a loan.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 22:24
I think they did a good job with Glass Steagall.
The bank had to keep the loan and couldn’t sell it.
That way they make sure the borrower can pay it back, because they don’t want to be stuck with it.
foxnewslieseveryday June 7th, 2014 at 00:54
“The CRA was the vehicle the bankers exploited.”
Find me a banker that says he was forced to ignore sound lending policy by the CRA.
I’ll wait.
foxnewslieseveryday June 7th, 2014 at 00:51
” It started with the Community Reinvestment Act”
No it didn’t.
“This is even more ridiculous than blaming Freddie and Fannie.”
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinvestment_act_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html
jaethorn June 6th, 2014 at 10:53
Liberals want them charged. Holding people without charging them is not American or right.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 11:10
Not morally right, but those being held in Gitmo were captured fighting against our troops. They were considered a danger to the security of the USA.
They most likely evaluated the possible danger to our troops when they released 520 prisoners and still, 28% returned to the battle.
The rules of war says that you may retain captured prisoners until the end of the conflict.
If your loved one was murdered by a prisoner returning to the battle you would probably be very upset that he was released.
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 10:42
Former Gitmo Prosecuctor Explains Why Bergdhal Deal Was Great For America-6/6/14 The Afghanistan war ends 12/31/14 and we’re going to have to release any of the remaining untried & unconvicted detainees for zip: “as there will be no legal ability to hold them.” http://www.alan.com/2014/06/06/former-gitmo-prosecuctor-explains-why-bergdhal-deal-was-great-for-america/ As of 5/31/14 GTMO Docket: 621 detainees were transferred with 149 detainees remaining.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:57
Hold on there hoss …
You are agreeing to these swap?
The “recidivism rate under GWB’s Admin…” will NOT compare to the recidivism rate under Obama’s Admin when all five COMMAND & BEGIN TO KILL ONCE AGAIN. … 100%!
Why should have America swapped these five most dangerous men on the planet to someone who deserted?
WHAT P.O.W.?
He voluntarily went to the Taliban!
He deserted once came back then deserted again!
WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE & WHO IS THE IDIOT(S) IN CHARGE?
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 12:00
“The Afghanistan war ends 12/31/14 and we’re going to have to release any of the remaining untried & unconvicted detainees for zip:” Faux news has clearly bamboozled you via their uninformed xenophobia.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:09
Where’s your hindsight?
Who cares about the Afghanistan war ending … allegedly this year?
Has that stopped the wars from ending in Iraq?
There are hundreds of splinter groups from Al Qaeda … & many more that will be created b/c of these five men.
We have sleeper cells in our country, Canada & Mexico.
These FIVE commanders will energize the enthusiasm of new recruits to embolden them to take advantage of America;s weaknesses. Obama is so weak,Putin is laughing at him at this very moment!
Obama wants the world to like him … typical narcissist.
He acquiesced & gave up our Eastern Defense Shield to Russia’s request …like a good pal!
You have NO idea how horrible this trade was.
Five terrorists for a man who liked to talk to the taliban b/c he was bored being an American soldier!
He left before then came back then went off again … under his own volition!
POW?
Yeah,right …the Pope is Jewish too!
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 12:24
LMAO! Wing Nut Daily surely misses you e. g. “ht tp : / / w ww. wnd. com/2013/01/egyptian-mag-affirms-brotherhood-infiltration-of-white-house/”- Ednar18 hours ago
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:33
FREE
KITTENS………..Free !!!!
A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the sidewalk in front of her
home. Next to her was a basket containing a number tiny creatures; in her hand
was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.
Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled
up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a tall, grinning man.
“Hi there, little girl, I’m President Obama. What do you have in
the basket?” he asked.
“Kittens.” little Suzy said.
How old are they? asked Obama.
Suzy replied, “They’re so young, their eyes aren’t even open
yet.”
“And what kind of kittens are they?”
“Democrats,” answered Suzy with a smile.
Obama was delighted.
As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told
him about the little girl and the kittens.
Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the president
should return the next day, and, in front of the assembled media, have the girl
talk about her discerning kittens.
So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket
of “FREE KITTENS” when another motorcade pulled up, this time
followed by vans from ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN.
Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Obama got out of
his limo and walked over to little Suzy.
“Hello, again,” he said, “Id love it if you would tell
all my friends out there what kind of kittens you’re giving away.”
“Yes sir,” Suzy said. “They’re Republicans.”
Taken by surprise, the president stammered, “But… but…
yesterday, you told me they were DEMOCRATS.”
Little Suzy smiled and said, “I know. But today, they have their
eyes open.”
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 13:15
my eyes are open enough to think this is funnier, and much closer to the truth.
“”Donald Rumsfeld is giving President Bush his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: “Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed.”
“OH NO!” the President exclaims. “That’s terrible!”
His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.
Finally, the President looks up and asks, “How many is a brazillion?”
jaethorn June 6th, 2014 at 10:52
Except one of them is suspected in the Lybia attack. The attack that republicans go on and on about how we should have prevented.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:59
So… should we have killed them all? ABSOLUTELY!
Or let them all go?
Bad move to have traded the five most dangerous men for someone who volunteered to be the talibans best friend & snitch!
P.O.W., my keaster.
Jessica Neubauer June 6th, 2014 at 14:32
Did you know that Nixon pardoned McCain for all the information while being held by the Viet Cong?
No, of course you didn’t.
Let’s see what you do after being captured and held for 5 years. You’d pee yourself skinny.
Guest June 5th, 2014 at 15:12
Were any of the 500 hundred … COMMANDERS? Like the five just released?
The majority that were released were NOT dangerous people but people at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 16:42
so COMMANDERS get released when the war ends . The war is ending
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 19:13
The war hasn’t ended!
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 01:19
True! but the 5 would be released when the war ends SOON.
So why not use the release to get one of ours back. When a war ends both sides get POWs back
Funny how you buy into the Al queda propaganda that the 5 are a big deal lol
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 09:54
Chinese Democracy,
WHO SAID HE WAS A POW… except Obama, the entire left looney liberals & Rice?
How is a man considered a POW when he voluntarily walks into a Taliban camp?
William June 6th, 2014 at 13:58
How is a man considered a POW when he voluntarily walks into a Taliban camp?
And you know this how?
Did the drug soaked draft dodger tell you that? or was it the bipolar alcoholic?. Maybe the “witness” with the bad conduct discharge? Or was it…*snicker*, the fair and balanced network.
When he is evaluated and debriefed we will know, otherwise it’s simply conjecture fueled by your ignorance.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 15:14
His own fellow comrades say he walked off himself … of his own volition.
Explain how anyone can be a POW if he wasn’t captured in battle?
Rice doesn’t do well on those Sunday talk shows..
& OBooBoio is one of the best charismatic prevaricators this side of Islam.
I suppose now, you are going to tell me OBooBoo never “CROTCH SALUTED” Old Glory …ehhhh?
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 16:40
cut your b/s Obama is black you dont like it
PERIOD
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 18:09
WRONG …. YET AGAIN!
Obama, 1st Arab-American President, not the 1st black
President. Obama is 50% Caucasian momS side, 43.75% Arabic & 6.25% African
Negro from his father’s side. While Obamas father was from Kenya, fathers
family was mainly Arabs. Obamas father was only 12.5% African Negro & 87.5%
Arab (his fathers birth certificate states he’s Arab, not African Negro)
Best bar joke in a while. . .
A black guy,
A white guy,
A Lawyer,
A pathological liar,
An illegal alien,
A Muslim,
A Christian and
A Communist
Walk into a bar.
The bartender asks,
“What can I get you
Mr. President?”
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 20:28
negro? ok I get it
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 20:43
Ohhhh, don’t worry.
I do NOT blame you for your ignorance …. I blame the media.
Once upon a time, there were journalists who WERE REAL
journalists & obsessed with finding the truth regardless who was president
They were non-partisan in their obsession. But
since the invasion of socialists permeating & inundating in our countries
academia …
our media, our congress, our citizens &
our presidents have had this communist ideology.
The media now fawn over liberal socialist
candidates while excoriating denigrating berating & crucifying all
Republican & conservative candidates.
They forgive their partisan colleagues &
candidates as easily as they burn their opposition … whom they hold to higher
standards.
The medias blatant disregard for their traditional role as the
4th estate & government watchdog has endangered America & eroded the
notion of a free & fair press. Their one-sided coverage of President Obama
has shredded Americas trust in journalism by surrendering its integrity &
objectivity, thus endangering our democracy & free society.
Remember when Obama passed a law w/Sen.Coburn
requiring more transparency via public database of all federal spending?
Obama complained of the Bush White House as
being “most secretive administrations in our history” Even chided
Hillary for NOT releasing her White House schedules. Obama has stonewalled info
about his own; legislative, personal health, education, financing, &
background
The press, usually banging at the door for
candidates to make “full disclosure” is strangely quiet about Obama’s
stonewalling. Anyone know why?
Isnt our PRESS remarkable? They can find every
woman
Tiger Woods has had an affair with, their text messages, photos, recordings,
cause of family fights even golf wedge she used on him & the car!
But same press corp cant seem to find Obamas
BC,
college papers, or anyone who knew him in college, how he paid for it, what
passports he used or how he applied for financial aid available only to foreign
students!
In re: to Obama 62 million
voted w/o prior knowledge thanks to our press corp & media.
In 2012, people had a
choice for more jobs with Romney or more poor people & more food stamps
with Obama.
Voters did NOT pick
the businessman. Voters did NOT pick the candidate with the “content of
character” … voters picked a candidate b/c of his skin color.
Three significant historical events have
been eclipsed by Obama:
1) Jimmy Carter will no longer be looked
upon as the worst president in American history;
2) Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton will no
longer be recognized as the greatest liars in presidential history;
3) Clinton’s stain on Monica’s dress, and
what that did to White House in general and the office of the president
specifically, will forever pale in comparison to the stain and stench of Obama.
William June 7th, 2014 at 02:11
Obviously you’re not an American and not familiar with our due process. Here in America there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. Nobody can be convicted simply by the rants of a drug addicted radio racist or a cadre of gap toothed scandal monkeys. his fellow “comrades” will have ample opportunity to testify as to what they saw. A court will have a chance to review the evidence. A jury will hear the case and adjudication will be rendered. That’s how it works here in the USA. Oh granted we still have our low IQ sheep that are led around by a news network, but they don’t get to have a say in the due process.
During my 20 years of service I have seen people under stress, drugs and clinical exhaustion do some weird stuff. Up to and including trying to swim ashore from an anchored aircraft carrier.
I’m not sure what you are talking about IE your crotch salute, but it’s your fetish and I guess you’re welcome to it.
Maybe it’s some sort of mating ritual in whatever country you are from.
BTW, a POW is any uniformed person of the apposing force taken into custody. Even soldiers who surrender are considered POW’s.
How do people in your country define POW’s?
It’s obvious you’ve never served in the military, so please avail yourself of the resources on line to learn about our justice system and the Uniformed code of military justice.
I hope you get to visit our country some day. I think you’ll find it interesting that here in America we try hard to recover our soldiers despite rhetoric from drooling idiots on the right.
Have a nice day.
OldLefty June 7th, 2014 at 08:17
And did you know that;
Nixon, Reagan and Stephen King killed John Lennon
http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/
Wingdings font has a secret message of approval to kill Jews
Israel makes Palestinian schoolgirls sexually promiscuous by
selling them aphrodisiac bubble-gum
Sarah Palin’s background, name, and entire identity is
completely fabricated. I know this without any doubt whatsoever because the
people you’re about to learn about were targeting me online. Half of Sarah
Palin’s identity is completely fabricated around this organization and the
other half around myself and my family’s history.
Sarah Palin and John McCain claimed to be a Mavericks
Mark Cuban the “Rich Jerk” above owns the Dallas
Mavericks basketball team
Obama claims his basketball name was Barack O’Bomber????
I think you are PT Barnum’s dream.
Sarah Palin claims her basketball name is Sarah Barracuda
Mark Cuban was under investigation for insider trading of a
search engine company named Mamma
Sarah Palin claims to be a Mama Grizzly
Obama was a Chicago Senator
Chicago Bears Chicago Cubs is likely where Mama Grizzly came
from
Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii
Sarah Palin claims to have attended school at Hawaii Hilo
and graduated from U of Idaho in Moscow Idaho
Sarah Palin claims to be able to see Russia from her house
McCain claimed his favorite band was ABBA which is a
palindrome
Another palindrome is the last name of George SOROS
Long time enemy of Israel is PALestINe
Gayle King and Oprah were both news anchors
Sarah Palin claims to have also been a news anchor
OldLefty June 7th, 2014 at 08:40
You are really PT Barnum’s dream come true, aren’t you?
Do you know how many ways that stupid urban legend has been debunked.
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 14:09
you first who said he WASNT a POW? Whats your source? I need a laugh
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 15:16
His comrades who read the letter he wasn’t happy as an American soldier.
Documents now coming out he wants to become a Muslim.
Right now….this guy is getting briefed by Obama & company to LIE thru his teeth to make sure his lies stay good with OBooBoo’s lies.
Guest June 5th, 2014 at 20:57
Who said the war ended?
Are you implying you trust OBAMA?
He did say Al Qaeda is on the run, remember?
Quite the idiot, hmmmm?
OldLefty June 5th, 2014 at 21:21
Obama is right on all accounts.
The al Qaeda core’s influence has been reduced.
al-Zawahiri was rebuffed in his attempts to mediate a dispute among al Qaeda affiliates operating in Syria, with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant publicly dissociating their group from al Qaeda.”
The other organizations right now – although potentially very, very problematic – are currently focused on the local fights. “Whether eventually they shift to Europe first, then the US, we’ll see. But certainly a potential is there.”
But why let facts get in the way?
Guest June 5th, 2014 at 21:45
Obama is only NOT right … but an absolute idiot.
He is FUNDING terrorism, including Al Qaeda!
There are hundreds of splinter groups in terrorism today.
“Six American Islamist activists who work
with the Obama Administration are Muslim Brotherhood operatives who enjoy
strong influence over U.S. policy”
Investigative. Org
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/sharia-advisers-barack-obamas-muslim-appointees/
http://news.yahoo.com/us-officer-got-no-reply-cables-asking-more-174539222.html
U.S. officer got
no reply to requests for more security in Benghazi
***Arif Alikhan – Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for
the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
***Mohammed Elibiary – Homeland Security Adviser
appointed to the Department of Homeland Security
Advisory Council by then-secretary Janet Napolitano in 2010
***Rashad Hussain – Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the
Islamic Conference
***Salam al-Marayati – Obama Adviser – founder Muslim Public
Affairs Council and its current executive director
***Imam Mohamed Magid – Obama’s Sharia Czar – Islamic Society of
North AmericaIslamic Society of North America
***Eboo Patel – Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood
Partnerships
***Valerie Jarrett … aide & ear to Obama & Michelle
Obama’s ex-boss
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r3tGi1ulgyE/UJdY_EbTlOI/AAAAAAAA7XY/HV49ECwYNPo/s1600/Valerie%2BJarrett%2527s%2Bpayback%2Btime.jpg
Valerie Jarrett – “After we win this
election, it’s our turn. PAYBACK TIME.”
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us
is against us & they better be ready because we won’t forget. The ones who
helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve.
There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time.
No election to worry about after this is over & we have two judges ready to
go.”
Valerie Jarrett, born in Iran, Senior Advisor to Obama. Quoted by a White House
Insider. See link for the full story. She calls the shots in the White House
except for the drones, Obama loves his drones.
So…. Let me get this straight… she calls the shots while Obama is out playing
GOLF & going on talk shows like the VIEW, Letterman & Leno calling
himself: “EYE CANDY” on the VIEW…
While Valerie Jarrett gave the order for the TWO NAVY SEALS TO STAND DOWN.
The NAVY SEALS refused this order & SAVED the lives of 33 people.
Obamas love for drones didn’t help these two Navy Seals who were expecting help
from pathetically weak NON-military advisors & anti-war LIBERAL
INCOMPETENTS.
Valerie, Obama, Hillary, Reid, Pelosi & others members of the congressional
communist party (DSA) should all be shot as TRAITORS
ht tp : / / w ww. wnd. com/2013/01/egyptian-mag-affirms-brotherhood-infiltration-of-white-house/
Egyptian mag
affirms Brotherhood infiltration of White House
Claims 6 American Muslims have strong
influence on U.S. policy
ht tp : / / w ww. investigativeproject. org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates
Egyptian Magazine: Muslim Brotherhood
Infiltrates Obama Administration
ht tp : / / w ww. westernjournalism. com/obama-arms-the-enemy-again/
Obama Arms The
Enemy Again
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-family-behind-shariah-push/
Obama family
busted in Shariah scheme
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 01:20
World Net Daily? Now theres a source with an impeccable reputation.
STOP IT
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 09:52
ChineseDemocracy,
So … it is true, ehhh?
You are a chinese communist?
cliftymike June 6th, 2014 at 07:52
Holy crap…..did you miss Alex Jones or Glenn Beck in there somewhere? Talk about “willful ignorance”.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 09:51
Cliftymike,
Alex Jones is radical.
Try not to bring assumptions about my beliefs… if I did that I would compare your beliefs with REID, Pelosi & Obama who along with countless Liberal Democrats belong to America’s Communist Party … the DSA
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 07:53
Obama is only NOT right
… but an absolute idiot.
He is FUNDING terrorism,
including Al Qaeda!
_______
We said that about Reagan and Bush as well.
Remember Reagan created al Qaeda.
Everything you say has been debunked.
You engage in the Gish Gallop method; throw out tons of false info and expect someone to spend hours debunking it.
Please don’t expect me to buy the spin from far right wing wacko sites.
As far back as the 50’s Saadat Hasan Manto wrote “Letters to Uncle Sam”, asking why we don’t directly arm the mullahs in Pakistan since we were supporting radical Islam (as a hedge against “socialism” ) over democracy in India;
“Regardless of India and the fuss it is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. Because you are seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism.
Once military aid starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats, Cutthroat razors and scissors should be top of the
list, as well as American hair color lotions. That should keep these fellows happy and in business.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our country will have to shut shop. I can visualize the mullahs, their hair trimmed
with American scissors and their pajamas stitched by American machines in strict conformity with the Sharia.”
You mean, Rashad Hussain also has been an advocate for the protection of religious minorities, and has worked on efforts to improve the protection of Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities living in Muslim-majority countries. He has also sought to combat anti-Semitism by denouncing Holocaust denial and the publication of anti-Semitic materials in the Muslim world. In an op-ed on addressing anti-Semitism in the Muslim world, he condemned the broadcast of an anti-Semitic film aired in some Muslim-majority countries, arguing that Jews and Christians face discrimination and violence in countries in these countries and that “Efforts must be made to ensure that textbooks and television programming in the Muslim world are free from the types of dehumanizing ideas and images that breed intolerance and hate.” Speaking to Foreign Ministers
of Muslim countries at the OIC Ministerial in Guinea in 2013, he also criticized “restrictions on places of worship, including churches and synagogues” as “unacceptable.” He has also condemned blasphemy laws on other restrictions on speech that are used to persecute religious
minorities including Coptic Christians in Egypt, where he visited with an American Coptic leader in 2012.
Or, You mean the one who made the statement; “Muslims Must Stand Up Against the Horrific Attacks Against Christians in Nigeria”??
Before serving as Deputy Mayor, Arif Alikhan was a career prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice from 1997-2006. During that time, he served as Chief of the Cyber and Intellectual Crimes Section for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles and as a Senior Advisor to the U.S. Attorney General in Washington, D.C., where he oversaw the national Computer
Hacking and Intellectual Property Program for the Department of Justice. Alikhan holds a J.D. from Loyola Law School and a B.A. from the University of California, Irvine.
Good.
For all your whining about, “where are the moderate Muslims…”
THERE they are.
And just because you call him the “Sharia Czar” does not make it true.
Should we call John Negroponte, Bush’s “Death Squad Czar”?
How about all of Bush’s other czars who were convicted felons?
And where were you when;
Laura and George W. Bush (3rd and 4th from left) with Islamic Jihad frontman Sami Al-Arian (third from right) and family (son, Abdullah “Big Dude” – Bush’s nickname for him – Al-Arian, is on far left). The problem is, Dr. Al-Arian is the U.S. frontman for one of the largest terrorist-group coalitions in the world Islamic Jihad which was declared an international terrorist organization by the U.S. State
Department and which openly promotes death to Americans. Hijackers on Flight 93, which crashed near Pittsburgh, wore red headbands, customary among Islamic Jihad warriors who take their instruction from Iran. President of the Islamic Committee for Palestine, Al-Arian headed up the primary U.S. support group for Islamic Jihad, according to “Jihad in America,” a 1994 PBS documentary on Arab Muslim terrorists in America, produced and reported by Steven Emerson a courageous investigative journalist who has worked for the U.S. News & World Report and CNN. “Jihad in America” ?
You screed requires that you ignore many facts, exaggerate others, and make other stuff up.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 09:48
So … what you are implying is that BUSH was also a Islamic sympathizer … like Obama?
Why did Bush go into Iraq & Afghanistan?
What do you know of the IRAQI LIBERATION ACT?
So … it is ok for us to have Muslims in our Homeland Security?
Is that what you are implying?
Reagan DIDN’T create Al Qaeda … cheap shot, there buddy … a serious misuse of information & YOU DERIDE ME OF THE SAME?
He trained OBL & his pack of terrorists to combat the Russians influence in Afghanistan
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 10:28
So … what you are implying is that BUSH was also a Islamic sympathizer … like Obama?
_________
Absolutely.
Bush went into Afghanistan because;
1) He had to after 9/11.
2) The Taliban did not cooperate with the pipeline;
Remember the “carpet of gold or the carpet of bombs”?
Tom Simons, former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan and the most recent official negotiator with the Taliban; Niaz Naik, former Foreign Minister of Pakistan; Ambassador Simons stated that if the Taliban wouldn’t agree with the plan, and if Pakistan was unable to persuade them, the United States might use an overt action against Afghanistan,”
Iraq???
The PNAC planned that in the late 1990’s (I don’t know if Bush was even in the loop)
Iraq basically took the fight away from terrorism and focused on taking over Iraq, (which ultimately turned it over to the loving arms of Iran.)
Karl Rove and Bush just wanted Bush to be a “war president” for the next election.
I think that the Economist hit upon the REAL reason for Iraq;
Let’s all go to the yard sale; Iraq’s Economic
Liberalisation.
The
Economist Sept. 2003
“If it all works out, Iraq will be a capitalist’s dream
If carried through, the measures will represent the kind of wish-list that foreign investors and donor agencies dream of for developing markets.
Investors in any field, except for all-important oil production and refining, would be allowed 100% ownership of Iraqi assets, full repatriation of profits, and equal legal standing with local firms. Foreign banks would be welcome to set up shop immediately, or buy into Iraqi ventures.”
http://www.economist.com/node/2092719
Basically it was an anti- Marshall Plan.
There seems to be a pattern of supporting radicals because they seem more friendly to business, then bemoaning their power, screaming “How did THIS happen? and How did these people get so radical??!!”
As for; “. it is ok for us to have Muslims in our Homeland Security?”
Yes. They are Americans the same as you or I.
You want a religious test????
That is anti-American.
YOU think it was OK to have convicted felons in National Security????
You think it was OK to have Christian fundamentalist Jerry Boykin, (who said that Bush did NOT win the election but was put there by God, ) as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under Dr. Stephen Cambone, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence????
There were intel people who warned the Reagan administration that there was nothing to stop the religious wackos from turning on us, after you teach them to how to bring down a superpower.
Not to mention, in the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a jihadi Frankenstein.” However, the warning goes unheeded.”
Osama bin Ladin cited Reagan’s cutting and running from Beirut as American weakness.
Reagan traded a rational enemy for an irrational enemy with no forethought.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 11:43
Sorry …Muslims do NOT belong anywhere in our politics!
When CAIR held a banquet in Fremont, California, in 1998, the Chairman of the Board, Omar Ahmad, said this:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
“Islam requires the earth — not just a portion, but the whole planet” Book: Jihad in Islam, by: Abul A’la Maududi Page 10
Remember:
The Christian martyr will say: “I will die for what I believe”.
A muslim martyr says: “YOU will die for what I believe”.
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 12:06
and Mr. Ahmad has repeatedly denied saying any such thing.
but regardless of what he did or did not say, your statement that Muslims do not belong in politics is contrary to both the letter and the spirit of the United States Constitution.
Fascinating how you right wingers rant and rave about the Constitution, but are the first to toss it in the trash when it conflicts with your peculiar view of the world
Article 6
…….
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but **no religious test** shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 12:14
Arc99,
I understand …. these are the civilized ways to do things!
But YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ISLAM!
They do NOT care about our politics!
They do NOT care about our laws!
They only care about their religion!
They will rebel, riot, start a rebellion as they have in present day Europe when they have the majority!
The more Muslims in a population … the more the rebellion escalates!
None can be trusted!
Their Sharia Laws conflict with our first amendment rights!
Or … are you a Muslim?
No? How about … sheeple like as in gullible?
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 12:15
I am an American who believes in the US Constitution. try it sometime.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 12:32
Then you are going to be a dead American.
Sort of like this story….
Are you a
Democrat, Republican or Southern Republican?
Here is a little test that will help you decide.
Question: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans
and Southern Republicans? The answer can be found by posing the
following question:
You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around
the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah,
raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40, and you are
an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your
family. What do you do?
Democrat’s Answer:
Well, I need more information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I done anything to him that would
inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What about my wife & kids?
Maybe if I swing the gun & knock the knife out of his hand? What does the
law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into
it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway & what kind of message does this
send to society and to my children?
Does he definitely want to kill me, happy w/just killing me or would he be
content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees & hold on, could my family get away while he
was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint & weed day & make this happier,
healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!! I need to debate this with some friends for few days
and try to come to a consensus.
Republican ‘s Answer:
BANG!
Southern
Republican’s Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click … (sounds of reloading).
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click
Daughter: “Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver
Tips?”
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 13:23
you clearly do not know many, if any liberal Democrats. nice little fantasy world you live in there with your little boxes to put people in.
believe whatever you want. I have given up trying to dissuade right wingers from believing in the fiction and fairy tales which give you guys such comfort.
this liberal gun-owner will just sit back, laugh and shake his head at the reality that so many people who pretend to be well informed, actually think the horsesh*t in your joke is real.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 15:32
Guess you have failed to realize ObooBoo is taking away our 2nd amendment rights.
There are NO liberal gun owners … just stupid people with guns that shouldnt have any.
Fwd: Sensible Gun Control
This explains why there has been no attempt on Mr. Obama or his vice
president!
****In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the
United States .
****In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of
the United States who later died from the wound.
****In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy,
President of the United States .
****In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald
Ford, President of the United States .
****In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald
Reagan, President of the United States .
****In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
****In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15
people in an Oklahoma post office.
****In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people
at a GMAC office.
****In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, TX .
****In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
****In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
8 people at a church service.
****In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in
a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US .
****In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7
people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
****In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho, shot and killed
32 people in Virginia Tech.
****In 2010 a registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
****In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie
theater and shot and killed 12 people.
****In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7
people in Minneapolis.
****In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed
26 people in a school in Newtown, CT.
****As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy
ship yard.
Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.
Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative
was involved in any of these shootings and murders.
SOLUTION:
It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.
…Best idea I’ve heard to date!
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 13:26
Sorry …Muslims do NOT belong anywhere in our politics!
_______
You get to decide who belongs in our politics.
Perhaps you would be more comfortable in Saudi Arabia. They believe as you do.
Who cares what some Muslims say??
Seven Mountains dominionism seeks to place Christians in control over the seven forces that shape and control our culture: (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion. The reason for this, as Lance Wallnau, the leading advocate for Seven Mountains theology, explained is that Jesus “doesn’t come back until He’s accomplished the dominion of nations.” And the way “dominion of nations” is accomplished is by having Christians gain control of these “seven mountains” in order to install a “virtual theocracy” overseen by “true apostles” who will fight Satan and his Antichrist agenda.
Many would say THEY don’t belong in our politics.
Do you have proof, or is it another urban legend that you guys pass off as fact?
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 15:29
So …you would trust them over ….say, me?
Hmmmm …as long as you avoid talking about their prophet, Muhammad, you are safe.
But once you tease them & want to name a teddy bear: Muhammad ….your head will be rolling on the ground!
Who is really out of touch here, I wonder?
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 16:25
Depends upon who they are.
I know Muslims that I would trust more than any religious nut jobs, Muslims who support our founding principles and rule of law, and have nothing but contempt for fundamentalist Muslims.
I don’t know you.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 18:07
Well, there you go …
you don’t shi_ite from shinola about Islam as a religion, do you? Islam’s first authority is their totalitarian cult type religion.
Their Sharia Laws are in direct conflict with our first amendment rights.
Their quranic verses say NOT to be friends with NON-muslims. They want you to trust them so they can convert or kill you.
Do muslims today act like Ishmael?
Arrogant, violent, pretenders of peace, recalcitrant, angry & rebellious?
Let’s find out. What does the bible say about Ishmael’s character?
Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s
hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Even IF the whole world became muslim, there would be consistent continued violence.
Muslims
LOVE & taught to kill, even each other!
In the book
by Leon Uris: “THE HAJ” says:
It was me
AGAINST my brother.
Me & my
brother AGAINST our father
My family
AGAINST my cousins & the clan
The clan
AGAINST the tribe
The Tribe
AGAINST the world
& all
of us AGAINST the infidel
WHERE IS
THERE PEACE?
Islam LIES
when it states it is a peaceful religion.
Nothing is
further from the truth.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 18:45
you don’t shi_ite from shinola about Islam as a religion, do you? Islam’s first authority is their totalitarian cult type religion.
Their Sharia Laws are in direct co
_________
Thou dost project too much Methinks.
My husband is from India. (an atheist, brought up as a Hindu).
I have been there many times. His dad worked for a Muslim company for 40 years. They used to live very close to a Muslim neighborhood where you could hear the Adhan.
Most of his relatives work in the Gulf.
He is a physician and many of his colleagues are Muslim, (especially) from Pakistan.
His family and now myself have been to many Muslim weddings as they have been to ours.
I think that YOU get YOUR knowledge of Islam from anti-Islamic cartoons.
Do that mean there is no problem?
Absolutely not.
The truth is that Islam must undergo a reformation as Christianity did.
We no longer engage in genocide, because we are secular nations.
But again;
Saadat Hasan Manto wrote
“Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s
Wrote; “21 February
1954
“Dear Uncle,
I wrote to you only a few days ago
and here I am writing again. My admiration and respect for you are going up at
about the same rate as your progress towards a decision to grant military aid
to Pakistan. I tell you I feel like writing a letter a day to you.
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in
the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our
country will have to shut shop….”
Saadat Hasan Manto wrote
“Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s
“21 February 1954
Dear Uncle,
I wrote to you only a few days ago
and here I am writing again. My admiration and respect for you are going up at
about the same rate as your progress towards a decision to grant military aid
to Pakistan. I tell you I feel like writing a letter a day to you.
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism. Once military aid
starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would
also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats, not to forget small stones
that they use to soak up the after-drops following a call of nature. Cutthroat
razors and scissors should be top of the list, as well as American hair color
lotions. That should keep these fellows happy and in business.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in
the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our
country will have to shut shop. I can visualize the mullahs, their hair trimmed
with American scissors and their pajamas stitched by American machines in
strict conformity with the Sharia. The stone they use for their after-drops of
you know what will be American, untouched by human hand, and their prayer mats
would be American too. Everyone will then become your camp follower, owing
allegiance to you and none else.”
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism. Once military aid
starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would
also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats. Cutthroat razors and scissors
should be top of the list, as well as American hair color lotions. That should
keep these fellows happy and in business.
No one listened.
No one listened to the red flags sent up when we over threw democratically elected Mossadegh for Anglo Iranian Oil, (NOW called BP).
On one listened to the warnings when we supported the Muslim Brotherhood because Nasser was a “socialist” who threatened to nationalize of the Suez Canal.
Not to mention supporting the Wahhabis in Saudi.
But there is a big market in misinforming people.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 19:34
Oh please.
From your sources, what next?
Rosie O’Donnell as an expert on Islam??
As for; “Your letters mean nothing to me.”
So letters from a Pakistani warning you in 1950 that by supporting radical Islam over democracy, because it was better for businesses that we were fostering exactly the kind of rot that is happening?
I know it means nothing to you.
That is why you are so ignorant.
So why did you support radical Islam for decades?
And do you really not think that they also have a collection of all the horrible murders and brutality that happen all over the Christian world and attribute it to Christianity??
Read the English speaking Pakistani papers once in a while. (very different from the rural guns, God and gays crowd).
Here’s a nice little video for you; (Most of the Bollywood actors in India are Muslim);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAO8oc93UVQ
She was a hero in the English speaking papers.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 20:39
Have you ever debated a Muslim?
SERIOUSLY!
What do you know of their religion?
Below is a link to my YouTube profile page.
Muahhhh has beeen very very busy protecting our Christian heritage against the ONLY religion to give permission to their followers to lie!
https://www.youtube.com/user/Edna0210/discussion
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 20:48
I’m sorry. I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
I know you think you do.
Again, I have a family who has had professional, school, neighborly and friendly,relationships with Muslims.
My husband did a residency with an Iranian Jew who’s parents still live in
Teharan.
You cherry pick the most extreme elements of the most ignorant and backward and want to believe that it represents the whole.
Frankly, you seem to have much more in common with those you hate than you know.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 20:58
Your excuses are tiresome & sickening, actually.
It is, to me, an implication of cowardice.
You make excuses as they do.
Answer the question,please.
HAVE YOU EVER DEBATED A MUSLIM, on religion ?
yes or no?
Try it …. then like a teacher did …. she innocently tried to name a teddy bear: Muhammad & almost got her head taken from her shoulders!
This is a deceptively VIOLENT, bigoted, intolerant religion based on sex, lies & death.
Their deceptive passiveness leads to violence.
Now…. answer my question, please.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 21:12
Your excuses are tiresome & sickening, actually
_______
It’s mutual, I’m sure.
Go to another country.
Go to India, and talk to people in Muslim neighborhoods.
Go to the Gulf. At least talk to people from these countries.
Answer your question????
Have I ever debated a Muslim on religion???
I have debated people of all religions on religion, including Muslims.
My husband has told a Muslim friend to “Fv*k your God and his prophet”
So what?
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 21:29
Do you believe we share the same God?
Did your husband say that to a Muslim in their country or ours?
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 21:33
Do you believe we share the same God?
_______
I don’t believe in a Christian, Hindu or Muslim god.
My husband said that in Mumbai.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 21:37
Thanks, I see.
Kind of…
tired of them all ….. ehhh?
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 21:43
Yep.
William June 6th, 2014 at 13:54
A muslim martyr says: “YOU will die for what I believe”
Really?
Explain this.
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 20:27
who can explain why anyone would use WND as a source and expect people not to laugh at them
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 20:42
What do I care?
Your sources? Hmmmm… could it be from one below?
TV NEWS
organizations ties to the White House!
Just simple family connections???
My, isn’t this
interesting…..This explains a few things…
CNN … CNN
President, Virginia Moseley, is MARRIED to Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary;
Tom Nides
CBS … CBS
President, David Rhodes, is BROTHER to top Obama official; Ben Rhodes (who
changed Benghazi talking points)
ABC … ABC
President, Ben Sherwood, is BROTHER to Obama special advisor; Elizabeth
Sherwood
ABC … Jay Carney’s
wife works for ABC
MSNBC has altered
videos altered stories & altered pictures to enable racism in this country
& Obamas
re-election victory
Remember when they
first came out with the picture of Trayvon Martin as a 10 yr child allegedly
KILLED by Zimmerman?
Who in this
country believed Zimmerman killed a child? A child instead of an adult, as
MSNBC alluded to via the picture they posted? I believed Zimmerman DID kill a
child!
MSNBC also
doctored video recordings to this case, the shootings in Colorado & Newton,
Connecticut.
The transparency
& truth no longer exists in this administration as it does in the networks
cited above.
ht tp : / / dailycaller. com/2014/02/07/shameful-smear-tactics-msnbc-tries-to-link-ed-gillespie-to-war-criminal-milosevic/
‘Shameful smear tactics’: MSNBC tries to link Ed
Gillespie to war criminal Milosevic
MSNBC
forced to apologize to conservatives for bi-racial Cheerios Ad comment
(race-baiting)
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/cbs-conceals-family-ties-to-benghazi-scandal/
Obama’s former Car Czar, Steve Rattner closed down 788 dealerships
4 donating money 2 Republicans. Ones donating 2 Dems were saved. In fact,
Clinton’s former White House Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns chain of
dealerships partnered w/Robert Johnson (BET) now have virtual monopoly on
Chrysler sales.
How did Rattner get the list of donors? His wife, Maureen White!
Maureen happens to be the former
national finance chairman of the DNC. As such, she would
have access 2 campaign donation records
How many
organizations &/or people of suspect … is Barack Hussein Obama tied to
directly & indirectly?
DEMOS, IPS(Institute
for Policy Studies), ACORN, PROJECT VOTE, CAIR, ACLU, LA RAZA, MOVEONE, MEDIA
MATTERS, GEORGE SOROS, BILL AYERS, TONY REZKO, CODE PINK, BLACK PANTHERS,
NATION OF ISLAM, JEREMIAH WRIGHT, LOUIS FARRAHKAN, NAACP, BLACK CONGRESSIONAL
CAUCUS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD, DSA
Have you heard of Demos? IPS?
Weather Underground? SDS? Van Jones? Obama? Connections are amazing.
Did you know that Vernon Jarrett
(Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law) was a communist party member and worked with
Frank Marshall Davis in Chicago before Davis went to Hawaii? Vernon Jarrett
hired Michelle Robinson while she was engaged to Barack Hussein Obama (See
newzeal.blogspot for proof).
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-responds-officials-come-under-fire-081331257.html?bcmt=comments-postbox
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 11:50
Here is a history lesson for you.
Read & learn.
Bill Clinton & Al Gore were absent on the war on terror. They FAILED to respond:
**To the first attack on W.T.C. in 1993
**Cut-n-Ran when Al Qaeda ambushed U.S. Army Rangers in Mogadishu
**Called for Regime change in Iraq when Saddam Hussein expelled the U.N. weapon inspectors. But then, failed to remove Saddam or to get him to allow U.N. inspectors back in.
**Failed to respond to the murder of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia.
**Failed on the attack of the U.S.S. Cole, American warship, in Yemen
**When two American Embassies in Africa were bombed, Bill Clinton had two missiles fired one went into an Aspirin Factory in Sudan and the other went into an empty
tent in Afghanistan.
**Refused to kill or capture Osama Bin Ladin when they had a dozen chances to do so.
** All this & they still hadn’t put in place simple Airport Security Measures recommended by his own task force. These measures, if they’d been implemented may have prevented 9/11
In short, the Clinton/Gore response was limp-wristed & supine. But what is worse is that Al Gore refused to concede a lost Presidential Election, thereby breaking a hundred year tradition.
Gore delayed the transition by two months.
Bush had a comprehensive Anti-terror Plan (Clinton/Gore had none) ordered on taking office & did not arrive on his desk until the day before 9/11.
But in fact, the first and last rationale in every government statement was not the WMDs but the removal of Saddam Hussein or Regime Change. Regime Change was necessary
because
Saddam was an international outlaw.
He violated the 1991 Gulf War Truce and all arms controls agreements it embodied. Including United Nations
Resolutions 687, 689 and the 15 subsequent U.N. Resolutions designed to enforce them. The last
U.N. Security Council Resolution, 1441, was itself a war ULTIMATUM to Saddam, giving him ‘one final opportunity’ to disarm or else. The ultimatum expired December 7th, 2002 and America went to war three months later.
In 1998, Al Gore and Bill Clinton themselves called for the removal of Saddam Hussein by force when Saddam
expelled the U.N. Weapons Inspectors.
A clear violation of the Gulf War Truce.
This was the reason Clinton/Gore sent an “Iraqi Liberation Act” to Congress that year and it is why in 2002 the Congressional Democrats voted and authorized the President to remove him.
The entire Clinton/Gore National Security Team, Secretary of
State, Secretary of Defense & the Director of C.I.A. supported Bush when he sent
in troops to Iraq March 2003.
Authorization of use of force bill passed by majority of both parties in both houses is the legal basis for the
Presidents war. Yet, these Democrats betray their own words, actions & our troops by their slanders. The bill has 23 “whereas” clauses justifying the war. Two of these clauses refer to WMDs &12 refer to U.N. Resolutions Violations.
On the very eve of the war, March 17th, two days before the invasion, Bush issued an 11th hour ultimatum to Saddam to leave the country or face war. If Saddam left there would be no invasion. Isn’t it sad the Democrats blame Bush and not Saddam?
If Saddam would have left Bush knew whoever ruled would have honored the U.N. Resolutions.
The argument that Bush manipulated the facts
about Iraqi WMDs to pursue war is false.
Bush acted on the consensus of every Intelligence Agency like the British, French, Russians,
Germans & the Jordanians-all of whom believed Saddam had WMDs. Bush can not be accused of ‘inventing’ their existence, but Gore & the other Demagogues accuse Bush on a daily basis. Every Democratic Senator who voted 4 the war was provided, by the Administration a copy of the Intelligence Report/Data on Saddams WMDs. Charges by Gore & other Democrats are cynical, hypocritical as
well as false.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 13:18
Spare me your right wing Horowitz
propaganda.
Just even looking at the
very beginning…
Clinton successfully
prosecuted the WTC bombers, Mohammed A. Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad,
Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad M. Ajaj, Omar Abdel-Rahman, are all in prison, which is better than YOUR guys.
Clinton DID respond, (you
guys were more interested in Monica), while Bush’s buddies in Saudi, killed all
the witness of the Khorbar Towers,
The Cole???
Really????
Bush appointee Barbara Bodine was US ambassador to Yemen and blocked former
FBI Anti-Terror specialist John ONeill and his team’s investigation in Yemin;
“The FBI and some White House officials, in turn,
suspected Bodine was too sympathetic toward the Yemenis. The FBI special agent
in charge, John O’Neill, was forced to return to New York after butting heads
too many times with the ambassador.”
Meanwhile,
On 19 January 2001, the U.S. Navy completed and
released its Judge Advocate General Manual (JAGMAN) investigation of the
incident…… just days, before the new administration. Clinton did not want to
leave the new administration with the same kind of mess Bush Sr left him in Mogadishu.
As for Saddam… AFTER YOU
guys propped him up and armed him???
Then decided to come up
with bogus reasons for taking him out at the expense of how many lives??
If Bush thought that
Saddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?
Answer because as the
PNACers said in;
Rebuilding America’s Defenses;
“Further, the process of transformation, even if
it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Rebuilding America’s Defenses, pp 51
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
This was the biggest bamboozle of the American people in history.
Don’t be such a sucker.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 15:39
Shame …shame …. shame. …
If you had read the Horowitz history lesson you would have answered your own post.
You said:
[[[If Bush thought thatSaddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?]]]]
Horowitz replies:
In 1998, Al Gore and Bill Clinton themselves called for the removal of Saddam Hussein by force when Saddam
expelled the U.N. Weapons Inspectors.
A clear violation of the Gulf War Truce.
This was the reason Clinton/Gore sent an “Iraqi Liberation Act” to Congress that year and it is why in 2002 the Congressional Democrats voted
and authorized the President to remove him.
The entire Clinton/Gore National Security Team, Secretary of
State, Secretary of Defense & the Director of C.I.A. supported Bush when he sent in troops to Iraq March 2003.
Authorization of use of force bill passed by majority of both parties in both houses is the legal basis for the
Presidents war. Yet, these Democrats betray their own words, actions & our troops by their slanders. The bill has 23 “whereas” clauses justifying the war.Two of these clauses refer to WMDs &12 refer to U.N. Resolutions Violations.
To which I add …. there were WMD’s!
http://conservativebyte.com/2013/04/bush-was-right-there-were-wmds/
Bush was right! Saddam did have
WMD’s!
Who else gave Saddam Chemical
weapons to use against Iran!
WE did!
Saddam also used them against his
own people, the KURDS!
He annihilated over 100,000+!
ht tp : / / w ww. truthorfiction.
com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake. ht m
500 Tons of Uranium Yellowcake
Secretly Moved From Iraq to Canada-Truth!
ht tp : / / w ww. msnbc. msn.
com/id/25546334
Video proof Saddam had WMDs!!
ht tp : / / uk. youtube. com/watch?v=FWzCQi-K5d4&feature=email
Bush inherited the
“IRAQI LIBERATION ACT” bill proposed by Al & Bill in 1998 & passed in
2002 to go into Iraq. Bush didn’t want to go into Afghanistan but what choice
did he have after 9/11?
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 16:12
Shame …shame …. shame. …
If you had read the Horowitz history lesson you would have answered your own post.
You said:
[[[If Bush thought thatSaddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?]]]]
___________
Shame on you for believing a hate monger like David Horowitz.
Clinton never advocated for a air attack of the entire country, a ground invasion and an occupation which is what counter insurgency is.
And we all know that Saddam used the weapons we sold him against his own people.
And Bush sr. was so upset that he said, “that’s a shame” as he flew over.
Nothing changed between the election cycle of 1999 -2000 and the war on Iraq, except the PNAC got their Pearl Harbor to use as an excuse to take over the resources of another country.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 18:02
Good!
Let’s use what you wrote here,shall we?
You said:
[[Nothing changed between the election cycle of 1999 -2000 and the war on Iraq, except the PNAC got their Pearl Harbor to use as an excuse to take over the resources of another country.]]
Now show me where anyone from our coalition partners or ourselves took anything from Iraq!
Muslims are always exaggerating we took oil … I tell them we never took an ounce or a drop of oil … what say you?
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 18:16
Halliburton,Veritas CapitalFund/DynCorp,Washington Group International, Environmental Chemical, Aegis, International American Products, Erinys, Flour, Perini, Parsons, URS Corp, First Kuwaiti General Trading & Contracting , Armor Holdings , L3 Communications, AM General, HSBC Bank, Cummins, MerchantBridge, GlobalRisk Strategies, ControlRisks, CACI, Bechtel, Custer Battles, Nour,USA, General Dynamics…. To name a few.
Then;
Contractors Reap $138 Billion from Iraq War
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/business/iraq-war-contractors/
Did I say anything about oil?
That was how they sold the cost.
The were wrong about that as well.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 18:44
Ohhhhhh….I get it now!
You are referring to …
BUSINESS!
Here I was assuming you were saying we STOLE from the Iraqis!
In all of these deals there were bi-partisan involvement.
So ….who stole what?
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 18:59
You are referring to …
BUSINESS!
________
That was the only reason to go.
We did.
We stole from the Iraqis when we destroyed their infrastructure, and paid cronies to try and rebuild it.
We stole from US taxpayers…transferred the wealth from the taxpayers to the contractors.
one tiny example;
In fact, the Iraqi government told our Coalition Provisional Authority that they did not wish the prison to be built. It was not needed, not necessary, and would not be used.
And you can see from these pictures that one of the buildings — the second floor is without a roof. There’s no plumbing, no electricity. No windows have been put in. The roads in the complex are in shambles.
And one of the witnesses today will describe a meeting he attended at which the Iraqi Minister of Justice told American officials of the Iraqi government not wanting the prison to be built.
It was nonetheless built. American taxpayers spent $40 million. And now the Whale, an unused Iraqi prison, sits unused on the desert in desperate disrepair, likely never to be used.
http://psm.du.edu/media/documents/congressional_comm/democratic_policy_committee/congress_dpcc_hearing47_2008_transcript.pdf
“Theft of such a staggering sum might seem unlikely, but U.S. officials aren’t ruling it out. Some U.S. contractors were accused of siphoning off tens of millions in kickbacks and graft during the post-invasion period, especially in its chaotic early days. But Iraqi officials were viewed as prime offenders”.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 19:10
Don’t mince or twist words.
WE NEVER STOLE …. if we built back up.
Who cares about the cronies we stole from or you say we did.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 19:16
So we will see if you say that if someone bombs YOUR house, (not covered by insurance) then gets rich doling out contracts.
Don’t be silly.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 20:36
Don’t be so shocked or naive…
that kind of thing happens all the time.
How many financially strapped people have NO insurance & get their cars stolen or their houses catch fire?
THE RICH GET RICHER?
We all pay the piper at the end of the game.
Just as OBooBoo is the culprit at the end of these scandals which are all the same rabbit hole.
Epiphany Dh June 6th, 2014 at 22:49
The next time you post a graphic and violent video link you will be shown the door. Behave yourself if possible. Thanks.
William June 7th, 2014 at 02:36
Your point?
Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/17/13321512-attacks-on-us-mosques-prompt-muslim-security-concerns?lite
White Youths Who Torched Black Churches Get Prison
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-04/news/mn-63983_1_black-churches
Some of this stuff is happening here in America by Christians
Guest June 7th, 2014 at 08:29
William,
What exactly …. seriously, what do you know of the ISLAMIC RELIGION?
Are you a Muslim, William?
Do you realize that only Islam gives all muslims permission to lie?
Do you know that Christians do NOT:share Gods, prophets, Jesus, Heaven or the Pentateuch with Islam?
Islam reintroduced their own versions… 600 years after the fact.
William June 7th, 2014 at 10:21
Nice trick (signing is as guest)
I am a Christian.
Again. I’m not sure what country you live in, but here in America there is freedom of religion.
The bible has no bearing on the laws of this nation whatsoever.
Please take your theocratic BS elsewhere.
Now quick…run and hide. I think there is a Mooos-lim coming to get you.
Living in your little world of fear, intolerance paranoia and hate would be (to me) much worse than death.
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 19:15
The liberals pressured for the release of Gitmo prisoners and then after 28% of them returned to the battle field, they criticized Bush for releasing them.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/06/160678301/percent-of-detainees-who-return-to-terrorism-after-release-edges-up
OldLefty June 5th, 2014 at 19:49
1) Where does it say “liberals pressured for the release of Gitmo prisoners”?
What liberals?
How many were released between 2004 2007?
2) If you don’t want them released, charge them
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 20:44
I said it. You’re one and my liberal brother is another for starters; plus the endless talking heads on the news.
There was a constant cry to release the prisoners because they were being denied their right to a speedy trial.
Actually, they weren’t entitled to a speedy trial for a couple of reasons. 1. they weren’t US citizens. 2. combatants captured on the battlefield may be held until the end of the conflict.
The number released up to 2009 was 520.
If we use the same 28% recidivism rate, then we can expect 1 or more of those released will reengage in the battle. Considering these 5 were high ranking, it could be even higher.
OldLefty June 5th, 2014 at 21:34
I wanted them charged or not brought here at all. Many of them were sold by war lords and we don’t know who they were. Some were ordered by the courts to be released.
If we could not charge them, and we did not call them POWs we had no right to hold them. It
was the conservative Court who agreed.
these 5 were high ranking but none were facing charges in either military or civilian courts for their actions. It remains an open question whether the end of U.S.
involvement in the armed conflict in Afghanistan requires that all Guantanamo detainees must be released. But there is no doubt that Taliban detainees captured in Afghanistan must be released because the armed conflict against the Taliban will be over.
Since when did Bush listen to “liberals”???
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 21:43
Bush listened to far more liberals than Obama has ever listen to any conservatives.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 07:08
As usual, I think the truth is 180 degrees opposite of the reality.
The Republican strategy was; Obstruct then blame Obama and Democrats for the damage done by the obstruction.
They knew they could count on the fact that it is much harder for the public to follow the positions of Congress over the years, than it is to follow the POTUS.
It was easy to polarize, then say “this is the most polarizing president…”.No matter HOW much Obama reaches out.
As former Sen. George Voinovich goes on record telling … “If Obama was for it, we had to be against it. “He [McConnell] wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”
At a meeting at the Caucus Room , Frank Luntz, and senior GOP members worked out a plan on
inauguration day, 2009, to repeatedly block Obama over the coming four years to try to ensure he would not be re-elected.
(At the peak of the greatest crisis since 1929).
Hence, Cap and Trade went from being “market solutions” when Republicans promoted it to anti
businesses “Cap and Tax” when Obama shunned his base and reached across the aisle to promote a policy that REPUBLICANS had supported in the past.
Republicans who had embraced healthcare mandates as “personal responsibility”, called it Socialism, Marxism, Maoism and carried sign comparing it to Dachau.
(See ;1993, Consumer Choice Health Security Act (SB 1743)
Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act (SB 1770))
They filibuster their own bills, while they filibuster Court appointees endorsed by the two Oklahoma
senators (when the filibuster is broke he receives unanimous confirmation).
Even Leon Hadar from the American Conservative;
In a way, much of what Obama has been advocating on domestic policy is not very different from what a Bush I administration (or Nixon, Ford or Eisenhower) would be doing, ranging from raising taxes, reforming immigration policy, or protecting the environment. Obama, in short, is not a socialist or a even a social-democrat, just a good old centrist Republican.
Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That’s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx
That’s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year’s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn’t even come from higher tax rates
Meanwhile;
BY BRUCE BARTLETT,
The Fiscal Times
August 5, 2011
“In a recent column, I argued that Barack Obama has in
practice governed as a moderate conservative.
No doubt, many of these conservatives would say today that they are disappointed that Obama didn’t follow through on his centrist promise. Nevertheless, it’s clear that Obama’s conservatism, which I believe is fully evident in his policies as president, has long been there to see by those
willing to be honest with themselves.”
I have no doubt that if the mentality of this GOP Congress had been transported back to 1964, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would have gone down in flames because EVERY Republican, (along with every Southern Democrat) would have opposed it, instead of just EVERY Southern Republican and EVERY Southern Democrat…. just to deny the president a bipartisan victory.
It was also Obama’s compromising that caused many liberals to stay home in 2010.
cliftymike June 6th, 2014 at 07:46
yep…..but it does not matter, just what the facts are.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 10:16
Good information, I’ll have to check it out. I see things a little bit different as a conservative and an Independent, with leanings towards Libertarian.
I have a couple of questions.
1. Why does Harry Reid refuse to put to a vote bills that passed in the House by a large majority?
2. Why take from those who paid for benefits as Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare.
3. Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, but they never run out of money for Welfare, Food Stamps, and subsidized housing?
4. Could it be that Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because of his lack of experience? He never supervised personnel, he had no military experience, he had no business experience, and he never had to personally meet a payroll. In fact, he was never in charge of anything significant, ever.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 11:53
Good information, I’ll have to check it out. I see things a little bit different as a conservative and an Independent, with leanings towards Libertarian.
I have a couple of questions.
1. Why does Harry Reid refuse to put to a vote bills that passed in the House by a large majority?
~ The same reason that Boehner wouldn’t allow the Continuing Resolution that passed the Senate, unemployment, immigration….
2. Why take from those who paid for benefits as Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare.
~ Actually, what Obama offered was NOT to increase the chained CPI.
3. Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, but they never run out of money for Welfare, Food Stamps, and subsidized housing?
~ We are NOT running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, which have their OWN funding.
One might also say, Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security, Medicare, and safety nets for the poor and working poor, but ALWAYS have money for corporate welfare, especially defense contractors?
4. Could it be that Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because of his lack of experience?
~ Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because they do not want the economy to improve while he is POTUS.
Their own quotes make it very clear that their only goal is to obstruct what the people vote for so that they can blame Obama for the People’s will not being carried out.
Again, these are decisions that they supported in the past.
Bush was a failed businessman and governor of a state where compared to the governors of other U.S. states, the governorship of Texas is a fairly weak office. The Lieutenant Governor of
Texas, who presides over the state Senate, is considered a more powerful political figure, being able to exercise greater personal prerogatives.
Here the people spoke loud and clear in both opinion polls AND the poll that we call the election.
As for those who HAVE….He never supervised personnel, he had no military experience, he had no business experience, and he never had to personally meet a payroll. In fact, he was never in charge of anything significant, ever.
They are the ones who tanked the economy and squandered our blood and treasure.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 15:42
I’m not sure how showing that Obama lacked any experience got turned around to attack Bush. You claim Bush was a failed business man, yet he made money for his investors. Obama couldn’t fail at business because he never had to earn a living working at anything that produced.
I have many friends from Texas and they absolutely loved Bush as Governor. They didn’t like his spending as president, and neither did I, but they love the man.
Here is more history on the man…
“Bush assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989 and later built the Rangers’ new home, the Ballpark at Arlington. He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected governor on November 8, 1994. In a historic reelection victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. During three Texas legislative sessions, Governor Bush worked in a spirit of bipartisan cooperation with the lieutenant governor, speaker of the house, and members of the Texas legislature to enact historic reforms to improve public schools, cut taxes, put welfare recipients to work, curb frivolous lawsuits, encourage new business and job growth, and strengthen criminal justice laws.”
What tanked our economy was sub-prime mortgages and the lack of oversight by those in charge; namely Dodd and Frank.
There are many articles regarding the cause for the sub-prime problem that cause the recession and they point fingers on who promoted it and who warned against it.
I lost my money after the dot.com bubble busted. Should we blame that on Clinton? Bush inherited the recession, just like Obama inherited a recession. The only difference is Bush’s policies took us out of it and Obama’s haven’t, even though he through a trillion dollars at the problem.
I’m not sure how anyone can defend Obama as a good leader based on his own work experience and the people he surrounded himself with. His administration had the lowest percent of people with any public business experience in history.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 16:04
I don’t know why you think that someone who made money for investors is qualified to have an agenda followed without question.
Especially when Bush got contracts (For Harken) that more experienced companies did not, (his dad was POTUS);
A 1985 disclosure shows Bush’s track record: Investors got back only 45 cents on the dollar, but few complained.
Investors also got tax deductions averaging more than 80 cents on every dollar invested. Those early Bush ventures were mainly tax shelters.
When his father was president, there were suspicions that the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain tried to enrich the younger Bush. Bahrain granted an exclusive drilling contract to Harken Energy Corporation, in which the younger Bush held stock. But he says he opposed the deal.
He also used the government to take the Mathis’s family land in order to build Texas Stadium.
The economy tanked because the get government off the backs of business crowd, the GOP Congress/Clinton and Greenspan stopped regulating.
Bush said;
Freddie Mac recently began 25 initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create greater opportunities for homeownership. One of the programs is designed to help deserving
families who have bad credit histories to qualify for homeownership loans.
The other thing Kirbyjon told me, which I really appreciate, is you don’t have to have a lousy home for first-time home buyers. If you put your mind to it, the first-time home buyer, the low-income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else.
His state is at the bottom in education, wages, health insurance….
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html
Also;
Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.
In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency , invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government’s actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all
50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.
I think Obama has done a really good job under the worst conditions, in the most toxic climate, surrounded by people who are bought and paid for by Big Business in both parties, and an opposition for whom failure is a strategy.
I think he has surrounded himself with wonderful people who reflect the will of the American people, whereas Bush, surrounded himself with old Iran Contra felons, and those like Cheney and Wolfowitz, who have been wrong for 40 years;
The Committee on the Present Danger (CPD aka Team B) is a hawkish “advocacy organization” first founded in 1950 and re-formed in 1976 to push for larger defense budgets and arms buildups, to counter the Soviet Union.
Team B also claimed that the Soviets were working on an anti-acoustic submarine, though they failed to find any evidence of one. The hawks explained away this lack of evidence by stating
that “the submarine may have already been deployed because it appeared to
have evaded detection.”
In the 1975, Richard Perle (Remember him?) leaked classified information Bob Novak (remember him?) of Rowland Evans and Novak to leak classified information in the 1970’s – and is now a member of the board of Hollinger International Inc., which owns the Chicago Sun-Times, the home newspaper of Novak’s syndicated column.
The Washington Post that Richard Perle was the chief suspect in another Novak-assisted leak of classified information in December 1975: “Novak, with his late partner Rowland Evans, got the classified leak – that President Ford and Secretary of State H.Kissinger were ready to make concessions to the Soviet Union to save SALTII.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 19:03
I guess I remember things differently. Obama has not had to deal with a GOP Senate, Bush had a Democratic Senate for 3.5 years of his presidency and learned to work with the other side, much like Clinton did.
As for the Fannie Freddie issue. McCain was also vocal about the impending disaster.
“Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. In fact, it was Congress that flatly rejected President Bush’s call more than five years ago to reform the GSEs. Over the years, the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems with the GSEs.”
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081009-10.html
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 19:14
They did say that, but their actions never matched their words.
Meanwhile;
Virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie.
Most subprime mortgages did not meet Fannie or Freddie’s lending standards. All
those no money down, no interest for a year, low teaser rate loans, and the loans made without checking a borrower’s income or employment history were all made in the private sector, without any support from Fannie and Freddie.
While the credit bubble was peaking from 2003 to 2006, the amount of loans originated by Fannie and Freddie dropped from $2.7 trillion to $1 trillion.
Meanwhile, in the private sector, the amount of subprime
loans originated jumped to $600 billion from $335 billion and Alt-A loans hit
$400 billion from $85 billion in 2003. Fannie and Freddie, which wouldn’t
accept crazy floating rate loans, which required income verification and
minimum down payments, were left out of the insanity
Rep. Barney Frank chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and his predecessor, Rep. Michael Oxley (R-OH) made efforts to enhance regulatory oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, including the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005 and sponsoring the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2007. Both of these bills called for a new agency to oversee and
regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
You know who also tried to warn about loose lending???
According to 1999 and 2000 reports in American Banker, ACORN was an outspoken, consistent advocate for exactly the kinds
of regulations that experts across the political spectrum now agree could have
prevented the global economic crisis.
On August 4, 2000, American Banker
reported on ACORN protests at nationwide offices of Lehman Brothers – the
investment bank that went bankrupt last month because of its investment in
over-valued mortgage-backed securities:
“Acorn members said they want
Lehman and other investment banks to sign a code of ethics, pledging to adhere
to ‘best practices’ in the mortgage Oakland lending business. Though the banks are not lenders, the group
argues that they provide capital and financial support to abusive lenders by
buying and securitizing their loans.
‘They have to look at the terms of the
loans they are funding and say they won’t buy or securitize loans with
unconscionable terms,’ said Bertha Lewis, executive director of Acorn in New York.
‘These secondary market players can see what kind of loans these are. They must
refuse to buy loans from predatory lenders.'”
The law would have
prohibited subprime mortgage lenders from making a loan unless the borrower
could afford it and had obtained a written certification from an independent
credit counselor stating that the borrower had received financial advice, which
was overturned in the Supreme Court of California: AMERICAN FINANCIAL SERVICES ) ASSOCIATION, v
CITY OF OAKLAND et al.,
American Financial Services, is a trade
association representing lenders,
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 20:59
This is how I remember it.
Fannie, Freddie caused the financial crisis – http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/story/2011-11-23/Fannie-Freddie-financial-crisis/51386932/1
“More than 70% of these 27 million weak mortgages were on the books of government agencies, primarily the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
Here’s why it happened. In 1992, Democratic controlled Congress adopted legislation that imposed “affordable housing” requirements on the GSEs.
2001
April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares
that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential
problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.” (2002 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 142)
2002
October:
Senator Thomas Carper (D-DE) refuses to acknowledge any necessity for GSE reforms, saying “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” (Sen. Carper, Hearing of Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, 10/16/03)
2003
September: Then-Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored
enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.
September:
Then-House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Barney Frank (D-MA) strongly disagrees with the Administration’s assessment, saying “these two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any
kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” (Stephen Labaton, “New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae,” The New York Times, 9/11/03)
2004
February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and
their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)
February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market’s] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)
April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an “artificial issue.” At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said “people tend to pay their mortgages.
I don’t think we are in any remote danger here. This focus
on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren’t
there.” (“Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue,” American
Banker, 4/21/04)
2005
April: Then-Secretary Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for
expanding homeownership opportunities in America … Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)
July: Then-Minority Leader Harry Reid rejects legislation reforming GSEs, “while I favor improving oversight by our federal housing regulators to ensure safety and soundness, we cannot pass legislation that could limit Americans from owning homes and potentially harm our economy in the
process.” (“Dems Rip New Fannie Mae Regulatory Measure,” United Press
International, 7/28/05)
2007 August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the
White House, 8/9/07)
I remember ACORN protesting the lenders to make more loans available.
“I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate
your work.” — Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 21:17
I said everything I have to say.
Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with it.
This was all Big investment banks looking for low risk investments that paid a good return.
They came up with mortgage backed securities to meet the demand of assets.
Wall Street loved them.
The demand mortgage backed securities was so high, that there was a point somewhere in 2003 when everyone who qualified for a mortgage got one, and still the global pool of money wanted more.
They figured that by the time they blew up, they will have made their money.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 21:45
I think we wore this one out.
I agree, greedy bankers and the availability of money are the main contributors.
Too many tried to place the blame on GWB and that is what I took exception to because the evidence proves otherwise. It started with the Community Reinvestment Act, a well intended program. It was poor oversight and the Congress’s failure to act after being warned of the impending problem.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 21:54
It started with the Community Reinvestment Act
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We almost reached agreement.
84.3 percent of subprime loans in 2006
were made by financial institutions not governed by the CRA.
The
CRA does not cover independent mortgage companies, which issued the vast
majority of the loans underlying the crisis. The act applies only to depository banks and S&L’s
that are federally insured.
As subprime lending exploded in this
decade, CRA lost its relevance because it doesn’t cover the more loosely
regulated non-bank mortgage companies, which increasingly took the mortgage
market away from banks and thrifts.
According to
Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner, the claim that “the law
pushed banking institutions to undertake high-risk mortgage lending” was
contrary to their experience, and that no empirical evidence had been presented
to support the claim. In a Bank for International
Settlements (BIS) working paper, economist Luci Ellis concluded that
“there is no evidence that the Community Reinvestment Act was responsible
for encouraging the subprime lending boom and subsequent housing bust”,
relying partly on evidence that the housing bust has been a largely exurban
event.
In the February 2008 House hearing, law professor Michael S. Barr, a
Treasury Department official under President Clinton, stated that a Federal
Reserve survey showed that affected institutions considered CRA loans
profitable and not overly risky. He noted that approximately 50% of the
subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not
regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA
regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully
regulated by CRA made “perhaps one in four” sub-prime loans, and that
“the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with
the least federal oversight.
I think blaming the CRA is blaming poor people for the excess of rich bankers.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 22:07
Got it. The CRA was the vehicle the bankers exploited. The main thing is they need to find a balance where they don’t over correct and tighten the requirements so it is too hard to get a loan.
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 22:24
I think they did a good job with Glass Steagall.
The bank had to keep the loan and couldn’t sell it.
That way they make sure the borrower can pay it back, because they don’t want to be stuck with it.
FNLED June 7th, 2014 at 00:54
“The CRA was the vehicle the bankers exploited.”
Find me a banker that says he was forced to ignore sound lending policy by the CRA.
I’ll wait.
FNLED June 7th, 2014 at 00:51
” It started with the Community Reinvestment Act”
No it didn’t.
“This is even more ridiculous than blaming Freddie and Fannie.”
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinvestment_act_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html
jaethorn June 6th, 2014 at 10:53
Liberals want them charged. Holding people without charging them is not American or right.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 11:10
Not morally right, but those being held in Gitmo were captured fighting against our troops. They were considered a danger to the security of the USA.
They most likely evaluated the possible danger to our troops when they released 520 prisoners and still, 28% returned to the battle.
The rules of war says that you may retain captured prisoners until the end of the conflict.
If your loved one was murdered by a prisoner returning to the battle you would probably be very upset that he was released.
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 10:42
Former Gitmo Prosecuctor Explains Why Bergdhal Deal Was Great For America-6/6/14 The Afghanistan war ends 12/31/14 and we’re going to have to release any of the remaining untried & unconvicted detainees for zip: “as there will be no legal ability to hold them.” http://www.alan.com/2014/06/06/former-gitmo-prosecuctor-explains-why-bergdhal-deal-was-great-for-america/ As of 5/31/14 GTMO Docket: 621 detainees were transferred with 149 detainees remaining.
–”The total Guantanamo recidivism rate under GWB’s Admin was 30.5%”. In other words 1/3 of all terrorist detainees released from Guantanamo re-engaged in terrorism, chiefly in Afghanistan and Iraq.
–”Comparatively, as of 2011, only 67 Guantanamo detainees had been released under President Obama. Only 3 have been confirmed as having returned to the battlefield, along with two suspected returnees for a recidivism rate of 7.5%”!!! http://www.alan.com/2014/06/03/gop-bergdahl-deal-is-obamas-willie-horton-moment-even-though-bush-released-more-detainees/
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 11:57
Hold on there hoss …
You are agreeing to these swap?
The “recidivism rate under GWB’s Admin…” will NOT compare to the recidivism rate under Obama’s Admin when all five COMMAND & BEGIN TO KILL ONCE AGAIN. … 100%!
Why should have America swapped these five most dangerous men on the planet to someone who deserted?
WHAT P.O.W.?
He voluntarily went to the Taliban!
He deserted once came back then deserted again!
WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE & WHO IS THE IDIOT(S) IN CHARGE?
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 12:00
“The Afghanistan war ends 12/31/14 and we’re going to have to release any of the remaining untried & unconvicted detainees for zip:” Faux news has clearly bamboozled you via their uninformed xenophobia.
-Under President Obama. Only 3 have been confirmed as having returned to the battlefield, along with two suspected returnees for a (75% less than GWB’s 30.5%) recidivism rate of 7.5%”!!! http://www.alan.com/2014/06/03/gop-bergdahl-deal-is-obamas-willie-horton-moment-even-though-bush-released-more-detainees/
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 12:09
Where’s your hindsight?
Who cares about the Afghanistan war ending … allegedly this year?
Has that stopped the wars from ending in Iraq?
There are hundreds of splinter groups from Al Qaeda … & many more that will be created b/c of these five men.
We have sleeper cells in our country, Canada & Mexico.
These FIVE commanders will energize the enthusiasm of new recruits to embolden them to take advantage of America;s weaknesses. Obama is so weak,Putin is laughing at him at this very moment!
Obama wants the world to like him … typical narcissist.
He acquiesced & gave up our Eastern Defense Shield to Russia’s request …like a good pal!
You have NO idea how horrible this trade was.
Five terrorists for a man who liked to talk to the taliban b/c he was bored being an American soldier!
He left before then came back then went off again … under his own volition!
POW?
Yeah,right …the Pope is Jewish too!
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 12:24
LMAO! Wing Nut Daily surely misses you e. g. “ht tp : / / w ww. wnd. com/2013/01/egyptian-mag-affirms-brotherhood-infiltration-of-white-house/”- Ednar18 hours ago
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 12:33
FREE
KITTENS………..Free !!!!
A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the sidewalk in front of her
home. Next to her was a basket containing a number tiny creatures; in her hand
was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.
Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled
up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a tall, grinning man.
“Hi there, little girl, I’m President Obama. What do you have in
the basket?” he asked.
“Kittens.” little Suzy said.
How old are they? asked Obama.
Suzy replied, “They’re so young, their eyes aren’t even open
yet.”
“And what kind of kittens are they?”
“Democrats,” answered Suzy with a smile.
Obama was delighted.
As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told
him about the little girl and the kittens.
Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the president
should return the next day, and, in front of the assembled media, have the girl
talk about her discerning kittens.
So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket
of “FREE KITTENS” when another motorcade pulled up, this time
followed by vans from ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN.
Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Obama got out of
his limo and walked over to little Suzy.
“Hello, again,” he said, “Id love it if you would tell
all my friends out there what kind of kittens you’re giving away.”
“Yes sir,” Suzy said. “They’re Republicans.”
Taken by surprise, the president stammered, “But… but…
yesterday, you told me they were DEMOCRATS.”
Little Suzy smiled and said, “I know. But today, they have their
eyes open.”
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 13:15
my eyes are open enough to think this is funnier, and much closer to the truth.
“”Donald Rumsfeld is giving President Bush his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: “Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed.”
“OH NO!” the President exclaims. “That’s terrible!”
His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.
Finally, the President looks up and asks, “How many is a brazillion?”
jaethorn June 6th, 2014 at 10:52
Except one of them is suspected in the Lybia attack. The attack that republicans go on and on about how we should have prevented.
Guest June 6th, 2014 at 11:59
So… should we have killed them all? ABSOLUTELY!
Or let them all go?
Bad move to have traded the five most dangerous men for someone who volunteered to be the talibans best friend & snitch!
P.O.W., my keaster.
Jessica Neubauer June 6th, 2014 at 14:32
Did you know that Nixon pardoned McCain for all the information while being held by the Viet Cong?
No, of course you didn’t.
Let’s see what you do after being captured and held for 5 years. You’d pee yourself skinny.
STICKERS ARE UGLY June 6th, 2014 at 15:21
Liberals wanted to change the channel from VA scandal to heroic soldier returns home..abort, abort, abort…blame Bush….
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 16:35
you are so smart! You figured it out. Liberals decided that getting a SOLDIER back would take everyones mind off of the VA
If Bush is to blame for something then why not blame him? Well now that I think about it he was just Cheneys puppet
Why are you repeating verbatim what you have heard just like the other RWNJs?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 19:00
Liberals wanted to change the channel from VA scandal to heroic soldier returns home..abort, abort, abort…blame Bush..
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Actually, it’s the Republicans who did that by having a hissy fit over something that Obama did, that they DEMANDED that Obama do.
Because they filibustered the VA bill?
STICKERS ARE UGLY June 6th, 2014 at 15:21
Liberals wanted to change the channel from VA scandal to heroic soldier returns home..abort, abort, abort…blame Bush….
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 16:35
you are so smart! You figured it out. Liberals decided that getting a SOLDIER back would take everyones mind off of the VA
If Bush is to blame for something then why not blame him? Well now that I think about it he was just Cheneys puppet
Why are you repeating verbatim what you have heard just like the other RWNJs?
OldLefty June 6th, 2014 at 19:00
Liberals wanted to change the channel from VA scandal to heroic soldier returns home..abort, abort, abort…blame Bush..
______
Actually, it’s the Republicans who did that by having a hissy fit over something that Obama did, that they DEMANDED that Obama do.
Because they filibustered the VA bill?
William June 7th, 2014 at 12:25
America. where a gaggle of right wing Fox “journalist” can change a returning POW from soldier to jihadist in one week.
William June 7th, 2014 at 12:25
America. where a gaggle of right wing Fox “journalist” can change a returning POW from soldier to jihadist in one week.
protectionistt June 7th, 2014 at 15:34
Almost all weren’t released”, they were transferred. Of those who were released, many returned to the battlefield. All the more reason for Obama to not have made this stupid deal. As for the notion that the war is almost over, EARTH TO ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT: Islamic jihad war will NEVER be over.
The ragyheads will continue fighting killing, bombing, attacking. THEY determine when war will be over, and you can be they won’t do that.
Suzy June 9th, 2014 at 03:19
I don’t understand why it is different when Bush lets over 500 prisoners go and the republicans didn’t say much about it. I also don’t understand how so many people can’t not understand that soon all prisoners of war will be released as the wars have come to an end. We have always let prisoners of war loose or exchanged them for ours. Even Nazi soldiers were let loose. We don’t keep them until they die. Bush caused all these problems because he wanted to attack these countries. If I am not mistaken not one of the 9-11 terrorist came from those two countries. Also Bush and Cheney received information 6 times that we were going to be attacked and probably by plane and Bush and Cheney did not do one thing about it. Supposedly his excuse was he thought it was to throw him off the track of Saddam.
paynewalker June 15th, 2014 at 07:37
How’s that whole “the war is coming to an end” theory working out for ya?
OldLefty June 15th, 2014 at 07:43
How’s that whole “the war is coming to an end” theory working out for ya?
________
Actually, everything that has happened in Iraq is EXACTLY what the anti war crowd said would happen.
Suzy June 9th, 2014 at 03:19
I don’t understand why it is different when Bush lets over 500 prisoners go and the republicans didn’t say much about it. I also don’t understand how so many people can’t not understand that soon all prisoners of war will be released as the wars have come to an end. We have always let prisoners of war loose or exchanged them for ours. Even Nazi soldiers were let loose. We don’t keep them until they die. Bush caused all these problems because he wanted to attack these countries. If I am not mistaken not one of the 9-11 terrorist came from those two countries. Also Bush and Cheney received information 6 times that we were going to be attacked and probably by plane and Bush and Cheney did not do one thing about it. Supposedly his excuse was he thought it was to throw him off the track of Saddam.
paynewalker June 15th, 2014 at 07:37
How’s that whole “the war is coming to an end” theory working out for ya?
OldLefty June 15th, 2014 at 07:43
How’s that whole “the war is coming to an end” theory working out for ya?
________
Actually, everything that has happened in Iraq is EXACTLY what the anti war crowd said would happen.
RoyalPayne June 10th, 2014 at 16:04
How is it that Bush was able to write an executive order 2 days after Obama took office? That what the 2nd line, in the ” ” section of this story, said. ” A White House Executive order issued on the 2nd day of Obamas’ presidency…….federal government has moved more than 500 such detainees from……..”. How is it that Bush is blamed when the Order was from Obamas White House?
Shaudius June 13th, 2014 at 23:03
The order didn’t release the prisoner the order mentioned that 520 prisoners had been released already.
RoyalPayne June 10th, 2014 at 16:04
How is it that Bush was able to write an executive order 2 days after Obama took office? That what the 2nd line, in the ” ” section of this story, said. ” A White House Executive order issued on the 2nd day of Obamas’ presidency…….federal government has moved more than 500 such detainees from……..”. How is it that Bush is blamed when the Order was from Obamas White House?
Shaudius June 13th, 2014 at 23:03
The order didn’t release the prisoner the order mentioned that 520 prisoners had been released already.