Trump deflects amid new questions about Russian interference in election
So Donald Trump blurted out a matched pair of Twitter tantrums this morning:
Can you imagine if the election results were the opposite and WE tried to play the Russia/CIA card. It would be called conspiracy theory!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 12, 2016
Unless you catch "hackers" in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn't this brought up before election?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 12, 2016
Never mind that Donald the Super Genius doesn’t seem to know that correctly implemented security and server logs can and do catch hackers after the fact. The mini-tweetstorm was calculated to deflect attention from an investigation ordered by President Obama and growing calls by legislators from both sides of the aisle to hold hearings:
The story has been brewing all weekend…
According to the Washington Post, the intelligence agencies have identified various people who helped the Russian government leak hacked documents from Democratic sources, including the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, to WikiLeaks.
The New York Times also reported Friday that Russian actors hacked the Republican National Committee but chose not to release the information.
“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators told the Post. “That’s the consensus view.”
While lawmakers were seemingly united on the need to present a strong bipartisan response, the FBI and CIA gave lawmakers differing accounts on Russia’s motives, according to The Post.
Last week, during a meeting with the House Intelligence Committee, a senior FBI counterintelligence official gave remarks to lawmakers that were “fuzzy” and “ambiguous” in comparison to those made the CIA, the paper reported.
“The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court?” one of the officials said, according to The Post.
“The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means, ‘We’re pretty damn sure.’ It doesn’t mean they can prove it in court.”
… and The New York Times ramped the story up a notch this morning with…
American spy and law enforcement agencies were united in the belief, in the weeks before the presidential election, that the Russian government had deployed computer hackers to sow chaos during the campaign. But they had conflicting views about the specific goals of the subterfuge.
Last week, Central Intelligence Agency officials presented lawmakers with a stunning new judgment that upended the debate: Russia, they said, had intervened with the primary aim of helping make Donald J. Trump president.
The C.I.A.’s conclusion does not appear to be the product of specific new intelligence obtained since the election, several American officials, including some who had read the agency’s briefing, said on Sunday. Rather, it was an analysis of what many believe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence — evidence that others feel does not support firm judgments — that the Russians put a thumb on the scale for Mr. Trump, and got their desired outcome.
It is unclear why the C.I.A. did not produce this formal assessment before the election, although several officials said that parts of it had been made available to President Obama in the presidential daily briefing in the weeks before the vote. But the conclusion that Moscow ran an operation to help install the next president is one of the most consequential analyses by American spy agencies in years.
Trump’s Twitter pushback was nothing compared with Sen. John McCain’s statement calling Russian interference…
“another form of warfare.”
Appearing on “CBS This Morning” with Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the next minority leader, Mr. McCain said the wide-ranging investigation of Russian meddling in the election would include his committee as well as the Foreign Relations and Intelligence committees.
He said a Senate investigation would be necessary despite President Obama having already ordered up an inquiry, as that one would not be completed before the end of the Obama administration. The implication was that the new Trump administration would not follow through.
“We don’t want to point a finger, and I don’t want this to turn into the Benghazi investigation,” Mr. Schumer added, referring to the House investigation into the attacks on an American compound in Libya, which he said had been partisan. “This is serious stuff.”
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mea_mark December 12th, 2016 at 09:21
I bet Putin is loving all this stuff going on here in America. If the orange one isn’t working for the Russians and Putin, it doesn’t matter because he is doing what they want any ways.
The Original Just Me December 12th, 2016 at 11:54
How is the Grabber in Charge doing on His Loan Payments to Russia ??????
Buford2k11 December 12th, 2016 at 09:48
Now Putin moves on to Germany, and the rest of the NATO powers…He has figured out the weaknesses of the West and is exploiting them…He is cheating as well, but that is difficult to prove from my garage..
Suzanne McFly December 12th, 2016 at 10:40
So Russia has dirt on the republican party? I wonder what they can use that information for? They hacked the RNC emails and didn’t release anything because they wanted some leverage to ensure this “President” does as they are told.
Shockupy WOM December 12th, 2016 at 11:50
Putin will no doubt use that dirt privately. Or maybe he already is…
The Original Just Me December 12th, 2016 at 11:52
They have a Grip on the Grabber Puppet In Charge. LOL But not a laughing matter. :+)
Suzanne McFly December 12th, 2016 at 11:55
Well if we don’t laugh buddy, we will cry and I hate it when my mascara runs.
The Original Just Me December 12th, 2016 at 12:27
But, I like the Natural Beauty Look .:+)
Bunya December 12th, 2016 at 13:43
This can becomes very serious if Trump makes it to the White House. Since Putin has a agenda (and Putin does nothing for anybody else unless there’s something in it for him) we don’t know what Trump and the republican-held congress (who would sell out their own mothers for a buck) will do to placate Vladimir.
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What bothers me the most is that I think this will just “go away”, like the Iran-Contra scandal and the U.S. involvement in Iraq war crimes and crimes against humanity. I see nothing but black skies ahead.
Suzanne McFly December 12th, 2016 at 16:42
I will be in constant contact with my representatives. I live in Connecticut so they (Blumenthal and Murphy) normally vote in a way I agree with. If we use our voices and not go quietly in to the night, they will eventually have to respond.
Red Mann December 12th, 2016 at 10:42
This needs to be addressed seriously, and quickly, before this tool is sworn in.
The Original Just Me December 12th, 2016 at 11:50
Yea RIGHT , Like the Retardicans will ever let that happen.
eyelashviper December 12th, 2016 at 11:24
Follow up to last week’s Time cover:
http://www.debatez.com/forum/uploads/imageupload/866/MKT4WS4WGICS.jpg
The Original Just Me December 12th, 2016 at 11:50
What does Valdimir have a Grab On ???
William December 12th, 2016 at 11:47
Usually Cheeto-Hitler will go on a tweeter-tantrum to distract the mouth breathers from whatever stupid sh*t he just did or said. This time, however he has to actually address the issue and it’s messing up that conglomeration of brain cells one can loosely call a mind. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e85f5910fcf532d3fdbb8de2b2f335ae7c9a9c408bc505790944ad3bc5055de0.jpg
The Original Just Me December 12th, 2016 at 11:49
Good one
William December 12th, 2016 at 12:09
https://www.facebook.com/theDanRather/posts/10157860188530716
Jeanne173 December 12th, 2016 at 13:16
Do any of us remember many years ago when George McGrovern was elected democratic candidate to run for president? He chose Eagleton as his running mate? The republicans found out that he was once treated for depression and hounded the man until he withdrew his name as running mate.
Now we have trump and company that have many ties to putin and Russia and very few republicans are speaking out about this. My how times have changed, A person being treated for depression, when he was a much younger man is far more dangerous that the President-elect being in bed with Russia.
trees December 12th, 2016 at 13:26
Russia didn’t vote in this election, Americans did. This is just a last gasp attempt by Clinton, and her supporters, to try and circumvent the election results.
dewired4u December 12th, 2016 at 14:02
Wrong, the election was tampered with it is illegitimate do it over.
trees December 12th, 2016 at 14:32
Tampering and influencing are two entirely different things.
Lots of things influence an election. Information influences an election, and Wikileaks provided information, none of which has been demonstrated to be false….
As far as tampering, do you have any evidence of tampering?
dewired4u December 12th, 2016 at 15:33
The CIA the FBI and the NSA do is that good enough fer ya?
trees December 12th, 2016 at 15:36
Provide your evidence.
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 04:21
You think that, if we can’t PROVE exactly WHAT the impact was and all the necessary mechanisms to effect that impact, then HOSTILE FOREIGN GUBMINTS INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTIONS IS FINE!!! How very Amurkin of you!
Earning your 30 pieces, eh, Tovarisch?
trees December 13th, 2016 at 04:49
I’m saying that the impact of foreign interference was negligible.
My proof?
Hillary won the popular vote.
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 04:56
Your proof is light on the proof but long on assumptions and talking out of your OTHER mouth.
Red Eye Robot December 12th, 2016 at 14:00
So basically the CIA is saying the obama administration has been asleep at the switch again. Remember its only a year and a half since the Office or Personnel management suffered a hack that resulted in the personal info of between 21 & 25 million current and former government employees being stolen.
arc99 December 12th, 2016 at 18:29
the CIA is saying no such thing. you are lying again
the administration issued a warning in July.
trees December 12th, 2016 at 14:05
First, it was the voting machines in MI, and WI, and PA…
“We think the Republicans purposely miscounted the votes, we need to audit the vote, we need a recount, we need to determine how and why the vote didn’t go our way!!!”
Now, it’s…
“Russia stole the election, there needs to be an investigation!!!”
Sad.
dewired4u December 12th, 2016 at 15:32
You’re still missing the point. The election was tampered with by a foreign government that makes it illegitimate. It isn’t about clinton or trump it’s about the American people’s trust in their government, we lose that trust we lose it all.
trees December 12th, 2016 at 15:35
No voting machines were tampered with.
There was no tampering with the election results.
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 04:18
Can you provide evidence of what happened with EVERY SINGLE VOTING MACHINE? Can you provide evidence that there no tampering with results?
Of course not. Just another vacuous fallacy.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 04:45
The evidence.
1) The votes from every machine were counted.
2) The vote was certified by the state in which the polling was conducted.
3) All states reported
4) All states certified the result
5) No states reported foreign interference in their election process
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 04:53
Those are CONCLUSIONS. Evidence is something different. Were the votes counted by hand? Have you ever heard of self-deleting malware? Ever heard how EASY hacking voting machines is?
You can list who SAYS they are free from interference, but as your Prophet shows constantly, what someone SAYS and what reality IS may very well not be the same. The US intelligence agencies say that there was interference (the exact nature unspecified) but I should believe a troll’s opinion to the contrary, or a great orange gasbag with NO expertise in the field? Why?
trees December 13th, 2016 at 05:03
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/completed-wisconsin-recount-widens-donald-trump-s-lead-by-votes/article_3f61c6ac-5b18-5c27-bf38-e537146bbcdd.html
If you can’t believe the state that held the election, and certified the vote, then you can’t believe anything at all, and will forever be confused and detached from reality….
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 05:12
Again, you provide no evidence. The votes weren’t counted by hand. All voting machines were not inspected. All software was not reviewed line by line. Ergo, you GUESS that there was no tampering. And your Blowhard in Chief says that the vote was FRAUDULENT. That THERE WERE ILLEGAL VOTES CAST and obviously there was collusion on the part of election officials allowing those MILLIONS of illegal votes.
That Trumpian/Jonesian conspiracy theory that AMERICANS fixed the vote is laudable, but a hostile foreign power inserting themselves into our politics is just a bridge too far?
Assumptions and OTHER mouth talking.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 05:21
I think it’s awesome you’ve decided to show the world just how irrational you are. Imagine if Hillary had won and the Republicans were conducting themselves as you are here…lol… “We don’t believe the election results because we didn’t personally witness every vote that was cast and count it ourselves by hand”..lol…
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 05:40
You claim things you can’t KNOW, things that are UNTRUE, use words contrary to their actual meaning, and *I* am irrational.
Oh, yeah. As the saying goes, ANYTHING is possible. Maybe you’re not a troll but actually a misunderstood do-goodnik. ANYTHING is possible.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 05:41
Hey, let’s have a look and see what Hillary thought before the election…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l1pLgS7WgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRJ8TLCZdnI
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 05:56
Gee, thanks. Doesn’t make your assumptions ANY more correct. But never let a chance to deflect pass without throwing a little Hillary into the mix.
Trump said it was rigged both before and AFTER the election. That doesn’t make your assumptions any more correct either.
Your backhand deflection drilled it over the foul line – FAULT!
trees December 13th, 2016 at 12:45
Trump says lots of stuff, a good deal of it outrageous. Let’s look at what he accomplished with his “rigged election” claims…
He got Hillary to go on the record as saying that, “to question our election process is horrifying, and irresponsible, that for yada yada many years the USA has been a beacon of democracy, and that the smooth transition of power has been a hallmark of our great nation. To not accept our election result would be treason, and would serve to completely undermine our American system of government”
Now, I paraphrased a bit, but that was the gist of it.
What Hillary didn’t see coming was her losing the election.
Pretty tough for her to try and challenge the election as a result.
She gave it the old college try though. Trotting out Jill Stein to claim voting machines had been hacked was something that resonated with a few, you being among the few…
When it became obvious that, that was going nowhere…
Team Clinton trotted out John Podesta
Suddenly, we are in the midst of a Russian invasion into our American electoral system…
Another crisis!!!
Why, the entire American system of government is now at stake!!!
The election result must be discarded!!!
The Russians have hacked the election!!!!
The CIA has sounded the alarm!!!!
All hands on deck!!!! All hands on deck!!!!
Only Hillary can save the Union!!!!!!!!
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 15:41
I get it.
What Trump says bears no weight unless it can be used against OTHERS. What Hillary says is important. But only in the sense that it can be used AGAINST her and anybody not sucking Trump teat.
Double standard? ✓
Misrepresent facts? ✓
Blame Clinton for other’s behavior? ✓
Complacent of inimical foreign intel operations? ✓
Cool with LYING cheating and stealing CICs? ✓
Troll? ✓
trees December 13th, 2016 at 07:53
Oh? Like what? That Hillary lost the election? Are you ready to accept the election results? You know, the findings from each individual state that confirmed who won the election? The findings that withstood scrutiny? The results that were certified and upheld despite legal challenge?
The only thing untrue is your assertion that Hillary won. And that is a big league lol….
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 15:50
“The only thing untrue is your assertion that Hillary won.”
I’ve asserted that Hillary won the popular vote. What is that? TRUE!
Your claim otherwise? A blatant lie.
“Are you ready to accept the election results? “
I have said that Trump won the EC vote. But, once again, you promote a false narrative that I have NOT. What is that called? UNTRUE! A deliberate lie.
Can’t prove your point so lie. You must be proud of yourself. “Ethics be damned, reality be damned, integrity be damned, I’ll just lie about it!”
Gee, what’s a lying dickish troll to do to prove his point? Avoid his point and lie? Yeah, that’s the ticket.
bpollen December 13th, 2016 at 05:44
Didn’t say that, but congrats on the lame attempt at a strawman argument.
If I can’t believe the state? Really? I can believe that the state is wrong. I can believe that the state is right. I just don’t have enough evidence to say with absolute certainty either way. But go ahead and make more assumptions that you can’t prove. You didn’t do it, so your certainty lacks actual certainty.
Mr. BIGLY lap-dog troll.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 19:48
Conclusions are arrived at how?
By assessing the facts.
An argument can easily be made that electronic counting is superior to hand counting. Humans hand counting ballots, an especially long and tedious process, are extremely prone to committing errors. Computers counting electronic ballots will arrive at highly accurate figures in mere minutes.
As to the abra-cadabra malware. If it hasn’t been reported, if the states who oversee and administer the election process don’t report this phenomenon as having ever occurred, if no one has ever documented this as being a real event that has been previously performed in other elections, then the charge is frivolous and laughable. It is clearly the last gasp attempt by an irrational few to attempt to throw the entire democratic process into chaos….
All of your arguments are ridiculous nonsense. Not my opinion, but the opinion of the courts who have had to address this nonsense.
PA, MI, WI they have entertained the frivolity and dismissed the claims
bpollen December 14th, 2016 at 02:21
Pffft. You present conclusions based on your total lack of expertise in the field, hands-on experience in counting ballots, understanding of both software and hardware (technology!), and the rules of evidence.
You present your opinion as fact. It ain’t.
whatthe46 December 14th, 2016 at 03:02
if anyone can watch this and not cry. or not give a damn. or just dismiss it as an “oh well,” then that person is beyond hope. and for tRump supporters, if you think russia’s involvement is not a big deal, tRump has an interest and so does some of his cabinet picks, and this, this video is what russia is doing to innocent human beings. what makes you think it won’t fucking happen here. because sure enough, tRump is playing to putin and tRump will cover his ass first.
https://twitter.com/mustapha_itani/status/808932086031728640
bpollen December 14th, 2016 at 03:58
I blubber at the Trix rabbit getting denied some Trix, this tore me up.
whatthe46 December 14th, 2016 at 04:09
there’s another video which is a compilation of a few others and their last words, this was the last video in that compilation. my heart hurt so bad. i cried and i’m tired of crying. this man said it’s “life.” no, no this ISN’T life. he’s accepting his fate and it’s scary. and you and me, we’re nobody’s. there’s not a thing we can do. we spoke up with our votes and it didn’t matter. i’m fucking done.
bpollen December 14th, 2016 at 04:15
I’m not giving up. I’m not giving the bastards the satisfaction. I’ll go down fighting.
whatthe46 December 14th, 2016 at 04:26
i’m with you. when i said “i’m fucking done.” that means, i very ticked off and i won’t stay quiet. i’ve signed every petition that came across my lap to deny this POS the highest office in the land. i’ve cried a few times today and i shouldn’t have to. if anyone bitches about my Obama and suggest he’s the divider, i will read them their pedigree. we’ve had 8 years of a “war free” life. (he never started any) this POS isn’t even in office and he’s waging war. fricken Turkey is blackmailing him for christ’s sake. i will bet my last bottom dollar that putin has some sh!t on him and GOP members. they hacked them as well. mitch knows something, which is why his wife has a cabinet seat. i’m sorry for the rant. i’m just really pissed.
bpollen December 14th, 2016 at 04:43
Good. You should be pissed. There appears to be something seriously fucked up in our country and people like Trump and his cabinet PROFIT from it, telling you that they have your best interest in mind while rifling your pocketbook and blaming someone else for your problems.
Jodie December 12th, 2016 at 15:49
Funny how Drumpf didn’t claim voter fraud unless the results weren’t in his favor, huh?
In states where he lost, he was claiming dead people and illegals were voting.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 05:08
Doesn’t matter what he thought. What matters is the vote counts in the respective states. The vote has been counted and the results certified.
William December 12th, 2016 at 18:22
Whatsa matter Skippy? Your boy can’t insult, lie or tweet his way out of this one? Holy crap. He’s not even in office yet and he’s under investigation for treason. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9db7c8ca57aa384d69a33d91bdbc44709a5d87f692f33ef525ce9da90a54af6.jpg
amersham1046 December 12th, 2016 at 17:24
With the new administration connections and open friendship with the Russia government I can see other nations reluctant to share intel with the US concerning Russia with the fear it would be openly denounced by the President. Islamic nation may not pass on ISIL intel to the government because of its openly anti-Islamic stance.
Seems the US will have to go it alone
Foundryman December 12th, 2016 at 17:41
Trump is the one who cried the election was rigged, Trump is the one who pleaded with Russia to hack and release any information they could, he said this live and on TV, Trump is the one who would not commit to conceding if Hillary had won and was prepared to contest this into the next century!
Now all of a sudden after clear and proven evidence Russia was in fact behind the hacks, now all that matters is it didn’t have any effect on the outcome!…Right!!.. Who the EFF cares if Russia hacking and manipulating the validity and integrity of our elections as long as it didn’t have an effect?…What matters is that they did! Because of his own words about Putin and Russia and hoping they would help him win, the fact they did, makes him a Putin Puppet and makes him completely ineligible to take the oath of office for President. There is no way a foreign (especially Russia) bought and paid for stooge should come anywhere near the Whitehouse.
trees December 12th, 2016 at 18:22
And all of you were outraged that the election could be questioned.
http://observer.com/2016/11/the-lefts-miraculous-change-of-heart-on-accepting-election-results/
Foundryman December 12th, 2016 at 18:24
So? The Russians tampered with this one to help Trump, what’s your point?
Don’t care about that? Makes no difference? Doesn’t matter?
whatthe46 December 12th, 2016 at 20:13
nope, he doesn’t care because it’s not about our country, it’s about hate period. and that’s why we’re fucked.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 19:26
The Wikileaks stuff was hardly noticed during the campaign. Honestly, there was so much of it pouring in on a daily basis that it became background noise. An argument could be made that the Wikileaks releases benefited the Clinton campaign by desensitizing the public as to the nature of the Clinton campaign machine. The public became, and a large portion of them did, I believe, the public became numb and adopted the same apathetic view that Bernie Sanders held….
They were tired of hearing about the supposed malfeasance committed by Hillary Clinton, and the Clinton campaign.
Hillary supporters simply didn’t care about her moral character, they accepted her, flaws and all….
My evidence??
All of you here are evidence of this. None of you were concerned enough then, or now, to allow you’re votes to not be cast for your candidate, Hillary Clinton.
There are maybe two, Kick Frenzy and one other, possibly Mea Mark, but I think Mea Mark voted Clinton.
So, as to the question of Russian interference…
Was the Russian influence really the final straw in the satchel that broke the camel’s back???
I submit not.
whatthe46 December 12th, 2016 at 19:57
dummy, your racist-in-chief is under fire and is scared sh!tless. he’s putin’s bitch and so is mitch and comney. can you say treason?
William December 12th, 2016 at 18:25
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ba35858b41962a4524ff166091b0cae4ad3507ebfe9a4485c6224cd145677b1.jpg
trees December 12th, 2016 at 20:25
Show me how Russia rigged the election. What voting machines were hacked, how many fraudulent votes were cast. Please submit your evidence.
Obewon December 12th, 2016 at 20:39
Why do you think Russia plotted to install dumbest GOP nominee Birther Donnie?
trees December 12th, 2016 at 21:58
Russia rigged the election? Proof please….
Show me the rigged election machines, show me the fraudulent ballots, show me your evidence, please.
Obewon December 13th, 2016 at 00:56
My reply above, apparently snapped a twig. “^Read^. Education is a lifelong process you repeatedly fail at. Exhibit A: “We have 17 intelligence…” — Obewon http://disq.us/p/1efmcnp
trees December 13th, 2016 at 04:51
The above intelligence agencies arrived at their conclusion through circumstantial reasoning. Hardly definitive.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 05:10
Why do you think Hillary couldn’t figure out how to win an election?
oldfart December 13th, 2016 at 01:11
Where’s you’re proof that Russia isn’t involved ?
You got a hot line to 17 security agencies ?
Not talking votes anymore MORAN.
Not talking holding breath, hoping Hillary will somehow get the job MORAN.
This entire Russian thing stinks to high heaven.
And it’s getting attention, as it should, It’s our friggin country.
You never did answer my question. (what a surprise huh ?)
Your either in blissful ignorance or purposely being irritating, border lining on insulting. Quite possibly all three. But either way, your lack of contributing anything worthy of meaningful conversation, as of late, is sufficient proof that you truly serve no useful purpose here other than supplying talking points of the day…I’d rather watch Fox… At least, they are taking this issue more seriously and getting more interesting… But please stay and blather on.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 04:59
You apparently don’t understand the burden of proof and how it applies. Example, “When did you stop beating your wife?”
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn’t been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
oldfart December 13th, 2016 at 10:12
So in other words 17 security agencies are lying,
And only tRump is being truthful…and you.
Better red than dead, HUH ?
trees December 13th, 2016 at 12:31
17 security agencies are being asked, for political reasons, to expound on the matter, and they have issued conjecture.
Our domestic law enforcement authority, the FBI, disagrees with taking a subjective analysis based largely on circumstantial speculation and putting it forward as established fact.
Obama, who has wisely decided until now, to not attempt to politicize our National Security has changed his mind. He now is attempting to create a raging sh!t storm over the matter.
Why?
For political reasons.
His party is wicked butt hurt over their latest beating.
oldfart December 13th, 2016 at 14:30
“He now is attempting to create a raging sh!t storm over the matter.”
And of coarse you have proof of this too…
Your opinions on this matter are being noted but your “facts” reek of breitbart…old habits die hard for disgruntled republicans…
I mean libertarians.
Contrary to tRumpanzes opinions, When taking the oath of office,
it is customary to mention “protecting from foreign and domestic… ”
It is also customary to actually act on those threats to the same.
NOT climb into bed with them.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 19:14
Not really sure what the implication here is, but it feels like warmongering….
StoneyCurtisll December 12th, 2016 at 19:42
Is There a Russian Coup Underway in America?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAFxPXGDH4E
oldfart December 13th, 2016 at 01:21
Dig it, finally got a chance to see it.
trees December 14th, 2016 at 07:58
Gee, I wonder why NBC dropped Olbermann like a hot rock???
https://www.theguardian.com/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/jan/22/keith-olbermann-msnbc-nbc-terminated
I would love to sit in the same room with Hillary while she watched this Olbermann rant. “This is the kind of stuff you and your party are generating”, I’d explain. “Please tell me how proud you are of yourself, this is your doing hon…… Hey, where’s Barack? Has he seen this? Let’s get him in here and all watch it together….”
There’s batsh!t crazy, and then there’s this….
This is a whole ‘nother level of crazy.
Anybody posting this with a straight face needs to be evaluated for mental illness.
amersham1046 December 12th, 2016 at 20:34
There is no question too complex or too important that Donald trump can not ignore
Obewon December 12th, 2016 at 20:42
Earth to dim Donnie: Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind U.S. election hacking! The CIA believes Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win.
“We have 17, 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyber attacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin. And they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing,” Clinton said during Wednesday’s presidential debate in Las Vegas. PolitiFact True.
Even 4th grade level USA Today proves it too. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/
trees December 12th, 2016 at 21:57
Hey, did you find the WMD in Iraq yet?
Wanna guess how many intelligence agencies guaranteed there was WMD in Iraq?
Obewon December 13th, 2016 at 00:33
^Read^. Education is a lifelong process you repeatedly fail at. Exhibit A: “We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election.”— Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, October 19th, 2016 in the third 2016 presidential debate-True! Pulitzer Prize winner PolitiFact. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/
Re faux news diversion: WMD was found in Iraq. Rummy knew exactly where. He sold it to Iraq as Regan’s emissary. Expired weaponized Anthrax, etc dated to GHWB’s 1991.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 05:12
Nope, the “Intelligence Agencies” you cite assured us that there were active WMD manufacturing facilities in operation at the time
Comicus December 13th, 2016 at 14:33
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus is a largely discredited principle of Roman and later common law.
trees December 13th, 2016 at 19:35
Doesn’t change the fact that there is zero actual evidence.
Circumstantial evidence is subjective by nature.
Is it a logical possibility?
Absolutely.
Is it an absolute certainty?
No.
Can we definitively say Russian agents were involved?
No.
Why?
We can no more establish Russian involvement as definitive anymore than we can ascribe an exact number of Russian agents as being involved….
If the number of total Russian agents is a number from 0-100, then 0 is as likely an answer as is 100.
Comicus December 14th, 2016 at 12:36
You fail at logic. 17 separate agencies have proof of Russian involvement. US Senators from both sides of the aisle have confirmed this. That is certain.