North Carolina law would require trans people to show papers at bathroom door

Posted by | June 28, 2016 17:07 | Filed under: News Behaving Badly Politics


They continue to lose business, and yet think this will solve the problem.

One of HB2’s most burdensome requirements is that transgender people are forbidden from using restrooms in public buildings that match their gender identity. Currently, the only way for an individual to change their birth certificate is to undergo a surgery that can be expensive, that is sterilizing, and that not all trans people want or need to resolve their gender dysphoria. The new bill doesn’t change this requirement at all, but merely creates a new process for meeting it.

The drafted legislation instead suggests creating a new kind of document that recognizes a person’s gender reassignment. This document will alleviate the problem for individuals from other states, like neighboring Tennessee, who have no process for changing their birth certificates to align with their transition. But nothing else really changes.

The new requirement reads, “The State Registrar shall issue a certificate of sex reassignment upon a written application from an individual accompanied by a notarized statement from the physician who performed the sex reassignment surgery or from a physician licensed to practice medicine who has examined the individual and can certify that the person has undergone sex reassignment surgery.”

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71 responses to North Carolina law would require trans people to show papers at bathroom door

  1. Mike June 28th, 2016 at 17:33

    So NC is going to hire bathroom monitors for every public facility in the state….???
    That should solve the unemployment problem…great idea….:(

    • Budda June 28th, 2016 at 17:56

      Exactly! Who are they going to show their “papers” to? The poopie police?

      • Mike June 28th, 2016 at 18:08

        My guess is they’ll have to bring in outside (foreign) help to do the real work while half the residents are checking each other’s papers

        • granpa.usthai June 29th, 2016 at 00:15

          outsource for inhouse outhouse monitors?

          • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 00:29

            laughing.

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    • amersham1046 June 28th, 2016 at 18:27

      State paid , or will the store owner pay

    • Larry Schmitt June 28th, 2016 at 22:49

      They can hire all the former Walmart greeters. Perfect qualifications.

      • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 22:53

        They, uhhh, they won’t have tape measures or anything, will they?

  2. whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 17:57

    So everyone will b required to carry a mini b.c. card? Go to hell.

  3. halfwayin June 28th, 2016 at 18:00

    Roving patrols are much more efficient.

  4. arc99 June 28th, 2016 at 18:09

    I think they should call it a 1-Card.

    Regardless of gender, everyone assumes the same position when doing #2.

    It is only #1 where we get gender differences.

    Show us your 1-Card or you cannot pee here.. Only in America

  5. nola878 June 28th, 2016 at 18:12

    Wow! So all of North Carolina’s problems are solved? Their biggest problem left is worrying about where people pee and poop?

    • Mensa Member June 28th, 2016 at 20:23

      There is a “what the hell?” quality to this issue.

      Transgender people can’t possibly be a problem in North Carolina.

      So why are their law makers so obsessed with it?

      • granpa.usthai June 29th, 2016 at 00:13

        sexual fantasies suppressed by religious guilt is my guess. Hell, they got no problem at all with a governor that’s a corporate bought LYING THIEVING christian, so I reckon they’re trying to make up for it by targeting their most lustful desires?

      • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 02:17

        it’s the new fad.

    • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 20:51

      There would be no problem if people with a mental illness that causes them to refuse to believe reality would not insist the rest of us lie and deny the science we were taught in school about X anf Y chromosomes and primary sex characteristics.
      At least the people with sexual disphoria can point to their mental illness as to why they refuse to believe scientific fact, but what excuse do the rest of us have for denying scientific fact as to what sex a person is?

      One thing I find interesting in all of this is the short memories of many on the Left. For years, when discussing Title IX and civil rights, the Right has said that it would lead to boys using girls’ or girls using boys’ bathrooms, shower roooms and locker rooms.
      For years, we on the Left have laughed that off as being ridiculous and impossible., But now we may as well admit the Right were correct. We also may as well admit to being wrong when we made those arguments….

      • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 20:57

        do you actually think that by repeating the same foolish comment, it would make sense the second time around?

        • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 21:48

          A comment you are unable to directly address?
          Telling the truth a problem for ya?

          • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 00:13

            well i think you’re mistaken about the definition of “truth” cause there’s none in any of your posting.

            • burqa July 1st, 2016 at 17:07

              You haven’t addressed my points other than my reference to gender dysphoria as a mental illness. I appreciate the correction.
              You are unable or unwilling to address the rest of my points, other than with vague, unsubstantiated claims to something-or-other.

              Your linked article referred to gender dysphoria as a “condition” and a “burden.”
              It says they need professional help from a psychiatrist or psychologist.
              Your linked article says gender dysphoria causes:
              Severe stress
              Mood disorders
              Anxiety disorders
              Schizophrenia
              Depression
              Substance abuse
              Eating disorders
              Suicide.

              The article you linked to also says:
              “With gender dysphoria, the discomfort with your male or female body can be so intense that it can interfere with the way you function in normal life, for instance at school or work or during social activities.”

              – but you have provided photographic evidence that some who suffer from gender dysphoria can still smile for a camera and be in good physical shape.

              • whatthe46 July 1st, 2016 at 17:18

                Blah blah blah. You are certifiable.

  6. DogsRgoodpeople June 28th, 2016 at 18:38

    cause if they didn’t, nobody would give a sh!t

    • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 20:13

      i guess concerts and businesses pulling out and losing money isn’t enough. damn that’s sad.

  7. burqa June 28th, 2016 at 20:27

    Ridiculous.
    I don’t think we are going to see security guards at every bathroom checking papers.

    OP: “One of HB2’s most burdensome requirements is that transgender people are forbidden from using restrooms in public buildings that match their gender identity.

    How about we depart from the realm of fantasy and stick to real life?
    There wouldn’t be an issue here if people would be more committed to telling the truth and stuck to science, rather than lie and deny science.
    A person with sexual disphoria suffers from a mental illness in which they can’t accept the truth and prefer to believe something false. At some point, fantasy collides with reality.
    If you have a penis, you use the bathroom for males.
    If you have a vagina, use the bathrooms for females.
    In science class, I was taught that a penises and vaginas were “primary sex charactics” and define which sex a person is.

    If a mental illness compels someone to deny science and lie, it does not mean the rest of us have to go along with something we know to be false.

    The trans people I’ve heard and those trying to convince the rest of us to believe something false have developed a whole lexicon of misleading expressions that run contrary to fact. “Gender assigned at birth” is one of my favorites.
    A person’s sex is not “assigned at birth.” It is determined long beforehand by the arrangement of their X anf Y chromosomes, if I remember correctly.
    At birth, the fact of the sex of the newborn may be observed and noted, but that is not where it is “assigned” because nature did that a long time previously.

    Like anyone suffering from a mental illness, we should be sympathetic to those who suffer such a delusion. If they are bullied or harassed, we should defend them.
    Perpetuating the malady is not helpful, especially when we are compelled to lie and deny scientific facts.
    People with sexual disphoria should get whatever psychological help they need so they can accept reality.

    • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 20:34

      missed your psych appointment i see. have them up your meds.

      • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 21:49

        Tee hee!
        You’re surrendering to me while admitting my argument is one you cannot rebut.

        • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 21:58

          when i know i’m out of my league, i will always lose to stupid, so why argue with you.

          • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 22:00

            Try using facts, like what you were (or should have been) taught in sex education or reproductive biology.
            Try honesty rather than believing the false delusion put forth by someone with a mental illness. You are under no obligation to reflect the same symptoms of that malady…..

            • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 22:06

              you try using them first. it’s stupid. if you consider them mental then so are you.

              • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 22:16

                My entire position is based on facts, such as:

                1. Gender or sexual disphoria is a mental illness.
                2. A person born with a penis is a male. Animals born with penises are also males.
                3. A person born with a vagina is a female. Animals born with vaginas are also females.
                4. A person with sexual disphoria is unable or unwilling to recognize the truth as to their sex.
                5. A person’s sex is not “assigned” at birth, but is determined long before then.
                6. The rest of us are under no obligation to insist on what we know is contrary to scientific fact, in this case, the sex of a person in reality, not what a mental illness causes them to think.
                7. People with mental illnesses should get psychological help so they may recover from their malady and, in this case, accept biological fact (see #2 and #3).

                #7 is an opinion I hope you agree with.

                Ready to surrender again?

        • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 22:07

          there you go again repeating yourself with the same b.s. that didn’t make sense the first time around.

    • arc99 June 28th, 2016 at 22:13

      We are sticking to the science. The American Psychiatric Association’s approach to dysphoria is to no longer treat it as a mental illness. I think that people who continue to insist that being transgendered is some sort of mental illness are the ones who need to get counseling and accept reality.

      • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 22:25

        I have always heard it described as a mental illness, for which treatment is given.
        If it is not a mental illness, then it is dishonesty.
        It is a denial of scientific fact, namely that chromosomes determine sex and the primary sex characteristics determine whether a person is male or female.*
        You’re skipping over those.

        *There are some extremely rare cases where, by a fluke of nature, a fetus develops primary sex characteristics that do not agree with their chromosomes. I am not speaking o those cases.

        • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 22:33

          these transgender persons would disagree with you and insist you are the one that needs treatment and they would be right.

          • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 22:37

            i’m betting it’s safe to say, they are much happier than you are. except that people like you are completely biased against them for being who they are and insistent on some quack fact that they are mental and that you choose to discriminate against them, is likely the only thing that pisses them off.

        • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 00:05

          because you don’t understand, it’s dishonesty. wow. you just know everything don’t cha? why even bother.

          • burqa June 29th, 2016 at 20:55

            No, I don’t know everything.
            On this one, I consider my position to be flexible, but neither you nor anyone else is really addressing my points.

            And yes, it is dishonest to claim something so obviously false.
            A fetus develops into a male or a female. You were born a female so that is what you are. I was born a male and that is what I am.
            There is more to it than just the outward physical aspects.
            Women and men think quite differently. Perhaps you’ve noticed.
            A male trying to pose as a female will not really be a woman merely by acting like one, dressing like one, taking hormones or getting breast implants.
            I have only a small sample size, but what I have seen a number of times when it is a male posing as a female is an exaggerated parody of the way they think women are.

            I think eventually this will be harmful to women. If we are unable to draw distinctions in our society, then thousands, if not millions, of women will be unable to participate in sports, for example; because we will have to allow guys to compete on the same teams. Many women will be squeezed out of women’s tennis, basketball, golf or other sports. They will not only be unable to compete in school, but a lot who make their livings in those sports will be out of a job.
            Fewer women will be allowed to compete in high school, college, the Olympics and in professional sports because they no longer will compete against just other females, but will have to compete against males.

            • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 21:02

              then you must get sick and tired of yourself.

              • burqa July 1st, 2016 at 17:21

                whatthe46: “then you must get sick and tired of yourself.

                Sometimes I do.
                I suffer from depression. It gets pretty bad at times.
                Like my response to the photos you posted, even when I’m suffering the most, people who know me well can seldom tell and are typically surprised when I tell them.
                Fortunately I have compassionate people like you around……

                • whatthe46 July 1st, 2016 at 18:11

                  There you go. Blah blah blah.

      • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 22:28

        burqa has issues. it’s mental and it won’t seek help.

        • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 23:25

          Yeah, I like it when you surrender to me.
          What we see above is you resorting to your habit of employing an ad hominem attack. “Ad hominem is Latin for “against the man.” It is a last-ditch effort used when one’s argument is inferior. So, rather than attacking the argument, one attacks the one making it. It is an appeal to emotion in an attempt to escape defeat. It is an admission the other person’s argument is so strong you can not rebut it. This is why an ad hominem attack is equivalent to surrender. You instantly gave in and put out an ad hominem.
          I like when you give in and put out like that.
          You’re easy to debate.
          I like that you’re easy and surrender like that.

          • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 00:03

            yeah, of the 5 photos i posted, they all appear to need psychiatric help because they look so disturbed and mentally unhealthy. just because YOU don’t think it’s natural doesn’t mean a damn thing.
            *****
            Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the
            mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.
            http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria
            ***********
            The fact that the photos below, is a clear indication that these individuals are happy, because they are now living life true to who they are. depression isn’t a mental illness, your lack of understanding, and your ignorance is why you consider it a mental illness.

            • burqa June 29th, 2016 at 20:37

              I deal with people who have mental problems nearly every day and have for many years.
              One of the things I have learned is it is foolish to presume that one can determine the mental health of someone else merely by looking at a photograph of them. Haven’t you ever heard relatives and friends of someone who committed suicide express surprise, because the person seemed so happy on the outside?

              Thanks for the correction on calling it a mental illness. I don’t care what the proper term is, whether it is “syndrome,” “malady,” “condition,” or whatever.
              I agree with the quote that says “what needs to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.”

              The part you left out preceding that quote says:
              “Feeling that your body does not reflect your true gender can cause severe distress, anxiety, and depression. “Dysphoria” is a feeling of dissatisfaction, anxiety, and restlessness. With gender dysphoria, the discomfort with your male or female body can be so intense that it can interfere with the way you function in normal life, for instance at school or work or during social activities.”

              There you have the cause of those problems – gender disphoria.
              Something that causes “severe stress, anxiety, and depression” and which also causes people to feel:
              “• Certainty that their true gender is not aligned with their body.
              • Disgust with their genitals. They may avoid showering, changing clothes, or having sex in order to avoid seeing or touching their genitals.
              • Strong desire to be rid of their genitals and other sex traits.”
              (from your source)

              – can’t be a good thing.
              There is something wrong there and I support whatever treatment is necessary to help these people. It sounds to me like something that is not easily dealt with, but would take a lot of therapy. Unfortunately, from what you linked to, it does not appear that psychiatry has a very good handle on this condition.
              Sexual disphoria causes people to insist on something clearly false, and I find it interesting that your source does not think that getting them to the place where they accept reality is a goal of treatment. Therefore, it seems your source is willing to let a condition that causes some awful things to continue. For whatever reason, they want to treat the symptoms but not the cause. This approach does not appear promising to me.

              I have known people who imagined things about themselves that were false. Just because I liked them did not obligate me to agree with something I know to be false. In this case, we have people who believe something false who are trying to compel others to share their beliefs and for government to step in and enforce their beliefs on others.

              Just because someone who is transgendered can’t tell the truth it doesn’t mean I have to agree with something I know is false.
              I am sorry that my refusal angers people and causes them to make personal attacks, but that’s on them and not me.

              • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 21:03

                your looking in the mirror everyday is not dealing with your mental issues properly. you have to see a real shrink. just sayin’

      • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 23:27

        I have not heard that the American Psychiatric Association has said sexual disphoria is not an illness. Are you implying they now say it is natural and healthy? Perhaps it is a disorder or maybe there is another term.
        If it is not a malady or a dosorder or an illness, then it is dishonesty.

        You’re leaving out the science that says that the arrangement of X and Y chromosomes determine what primary sex characteristics develop, and that those with male primary characteristics are males and those with female sex characteristics are female.
        Weren’t you taught that?
        If not, what were you taught about X and Y chromosomes and primary sex characteristics and how they determine a person’s sex?

    • burqa June 28th, 2016 at 22:35

      Arc99, your post disappeared from my screen so I’ll reply this way:

      I have not heard that the American Psychological Association has said sexual disphoria is not an illness. Are you implying they now say it is natural and healthy? Perhaps it is a disorder or maybe there is another term.
      If it is not a malady, then it is dishonesty.

      You’re leaving out the science that says that the arrangement of X and Y chromosomes determine what primary sex characteristics develop, and that those with male primary characteristics are males and those with female sex characteristics are female.
      Weren’t you taught that?
      If not, what were you taught?

      • Comicus June 29th, 2016 at 00:01

        You’ve never heard of AIS, have you?

        • burqa June 29th, 2016 at 19:42

          Nope.
          But now I have.
          Having heard of it, I see no reason to change my opinion.

          • Comicus June 30th, 2016 at 17:43

            Having read your previous statements, I’m certain reason is never a factor in your opinions.

            • burqa July 1st, 2016 at 15:48

              Thanks for giving an example of what you consider “reason,” above, where I said I agreed with you and your reply was to say I disagree with you.

    • Comicus June 29th, 2016 at 00:00

      “If a mental illness compels someone to deny science and lie, it does not mean the rest of us have to go along with something we know to be false. ”
      I would like to see this applied to Christians, Muslims and anyone else who believes there is an invisible being ruling them.

      • burqa June 29th, 2016 at 19:49

        I agree with you.
        It is in this country. We have a secular government and no one has the right to force their beliefs upon you. You are under no obligation to believe something you know to be false.
        You are also under no obligation to be consistent, though many see this as a favorable trait.
        In this case, consistency would be applying the same standards to those of faith you refer to and those calling themselves “transgendered.”
        It is hoped you do not favor censoring those with whom you disagree.

        • Comicus June 30th, 2016 at 17:52

          I would like you to apply logic, reason and reading comprehension before you answer anything. You don’t agree with me; you don’t even understand me. The scientific consensus is that transgenderism is not a mental illness despite your erroneous claims to the contrary. Conflating transgenderism and religion further exposes your ignorance. You’re welcome to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

          • burqa July 1st, 2016 at 15:36

            Comicus: “You don’t agree with me”
            Burqa: “I agree with you.”
            Comicus: “I would like you to apply logic, reason and reading comprehension.”

            Thanks for the laugh.

            • Comicus July 4th, 2016 at 10:55

              You attempted a false analogy, an informal logical fallacy. Sexual identity and religion are two separate subjects. Since you agree with me, you won’t persist with this argument.

    • MyDogsAreSmarterThanYou June 29th, 2016 at 07:54

      “Suffers from a mental illness in which they can’t accept the truth and prefer to believe something false.” Sounds a lot like religion to me.

      Hey, you know what else we could do? We could all just go to the damned bathroom and stop worrying about what the person next to you has between their legs.

  8. The Original Just Me June 28th, 2016 at 21:15

    Oh Man,now this Bonafide Idiot wants transgenders to bring their own Toilet Papers. Who are they going to show their papers to, the Buttwipe Marshal/Inspector ?

  9. Hirightnow June 28th, 2016 at 21:21

    Remember, this is the party that wants to reduce the size of the government and keep it out of your business by making government bigger and getting in your business.

    • whatthe46 June 28th, 2016 at 22:50

      exactly. and the only ones they are fooling are the fools who support them. you’ve got to have some kind of mental deficiency to not see that.

  10. 17 June 28th, 2016 at 22:48

    ..

  11. granpa.usthai June 29th, 2016 at 00:05

    again and again and again the same question keeps coming to mind:

    HTF are you going to know unless you are PEERING for your own nosey self?

    • whatthe46 June 29th, 2016 at 00:12

      the only one i can think of that might have a problem is jenner. guess this a-hole will hold it until she gets home.

  12. bpollen June 29th, 2016 at 05:48

    Maybe Bill Donahue will volunteer for the Pecker Patrol (or maybe Scrotal Squad?)

  13. Carla Akins June 29th, 2016 at 09:05

    All problems in NC must have been resolved to everyone’s satisfaction if they have time for this bullshit.

  14. Warman1138 June 29th, 2016 at 09:18

    Before you know it they’ll have pee and poop stamps, gotta keep regulating what’s important. Pity the fool that runs out of stamps.

  15. liberalMD June 30th, 2016 at 02:25

    This will be a very expensive endeavor for North Carolina. Not only will they have to devise a system of certification but they will also have to devise a system on how to monitor every bathroom in the state. Do they intend to have a proctor in every bathroom 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Just wait, North Carolinans….this will be monumental…..spending millions of dollars every year to make sure that everyone goes into the politically correct bathroom.

    • whatthe46 June 30th, 2016 at 03:05

      um, i have a question. how on earth are they going to decide who gets “asked” the question or for papers, when either would look like this…

      should Shawn, the first male transgender who won a body building contest be sent into the ladies room?

      how about Genna. she was born a male. how would they know any different? consider both have had reassignment. should she go into a men’s bathroom?

    • whatthe46 June 30th, 2016 at 03:12

      now this, just sayin’…

    • whatthe46 June 30th, 2016 at 03:40

      please pass it on that Jenna, who was born a male, LOOKS exactly like some guy who is “pretending” to be a woman, just so that she can harm little girls in the ladies restroom. while you’re at it, please pass Shawn’s pic around, that he was born a female. people are so damn hateful and stupid.

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