The Sanders universal health care plan
Bernie Sanders says that by paying a little more in taxes, we get a health care plan that is less expensive and we wind up with more money in our pockets overall.
- Universal healthcare would be funded through taxes—and would no longer be optional. US citizens would pay a 2.2% income-based premium towards their healthcare, while employers would pay an additional 6.2% of what it pays employees towards the plan.
- Further progressive and wealth taxes—such as paying between 37% on income above $250,000 and 52% on income above $10 million, various capital-gains taxes, ended tax exemptions, and inheritance taxes—would fund the scheme, which costs $1.38 trillion per year.
- Last year, the “average working family” paid $4,955 in premiums and $1,318 in deductibles to private health-insurance companies, the Sanders campaign said. Under his plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay $466 per year into the single-payer system.
- Sanders claims the plan will result in an overall savings of $6 trillion over the next 10 years, when compared to the current system.
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tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 09:16
the gop is still stalling the 2% tax on medical equiptment to help fund the ACA…let’s get real here, not going to happen. The Clintons tried, Obama tried and Bernie thinks raing taxes is a winning proposal.
Budda January 18th, 2016 at 09:37
He needs to explain that we won’t be paying any insurance premiums.
Budda January 18th, 2016 at 09:39
or deductables
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 09:44
He is counting on huge tax raises to pay for it all. How will he help all the people who will lose their jobs if this actually happened.
Larry Schmitt January 18th, 2016 at 09:53
That’s what I said on the other thread. There are currently many people (don’t want to guess at how many) who are involved in processing health insurance claims, most of those jobs would disappear.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 09:57
Agree, I did see your post and upvoted you. Univeral HC should be our goal, but we do have to work on the jobs issue and the tax issues thoroughly before making promises that can’t be kept. That is my problem with Bernie, he makes absolute comments as if he is the first person to try to start the process of medicade for all. The Clintons tried and failed and Obama started us on the road towards healthcare for all.
Larry Schmitt January 18th, 2016 at 10:12
And jobs shouldn’t be the deciding issue on the question of health care. It didn’t stop Congress from closing a bunch of military bases. I am still shocked that that bill (all or nothing) was passed back in the 80’s. And we survived.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 10:21
It should be one consideration, military bases do not employ the millions that the HC /insurance corporation do. Some can be retrained to actually work for the universal HC.
mea_mark January 18th, 2016 at 11:02
The best way to handle this is to keep expanding medicaid/medicare, step by step. There is nothing that says we have to make an overnight change and throw people out of work.
Larry Schmitt January 18th, 2016 at 11:04
It probably couldn’t be done overnight anyway. If it ever is passed, it will be a gradual change.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 11:09
That is the idea right now, Bernie has introduced nothing new or diffrent with his pronouncement.
mea_mark January 18th, 2016 at 11:26
He is just putting the numbers out there on how it will be funded and how much it will save Americans. Of course those changes will need to be implemented in steps also and that is where the real debate will be.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 11:27
I know what he is doing, i applaud all on the left who are for UHC, what I do not like is his implication that this is something new and diffrent.
mea_mark January 18th, 2016 at 11:54
It’s new and different in that we haven’t done it before. I don’t think he is saying this is a new idea. You may be reading too much into it.
Budda January 18th, 2016 at 10:04
That is a valid point. Hospitals have more insurance clerks than nurses…but that is part of the problem wouldn’t you think?
oldfart January 18th, 2016 at 10:06
Unintended consequences is always a bitch, Suffice it to say that the ceo’s of said former companies would survive quite well, the processors…not so much. As long as Bernie can address that in a timely manner, I do not have a problem with saving money in the long term as will everyone else.
Red Mann January 18th, 2016 at 11:19
I don’t know, it’s going to take a large bureaucracy to manage healthcare for 350+ million people, there will be lots of forms to be processed etc.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 11:28
Agreed, but the gop stopped this with Obama and have still notallowed the 2% tx on medical equiptment to start.
Red Mann January 18th, 2016 at 11:54
I don’t expect that any rational healthcare system will ever be passed in this country because of the mass of ignorant people we have, an ingnorance deliberately created by the RW media with the collusion of the so-called MSM.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 12:06
Very true.
anothertoothpick January 18th, 2016 at 11:36
The British Parlaiment is debating on Banning Trump from the UK on Cspan.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 11:48
Isn’t it great…the tRump brand is falling hard. He needs to do something to stop the bleeding, he only knows how to threaten and bellow.
anothertoothpick January 18th, 2016 at 12:02
I know this is off topic to the thread…but I heard one of the members say “Even though we have banned people for using hateful speech, we have never banned anybody for being stupid”/
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 12:03
But bringing up geller brought the effffort to ban tRump home.
anothertoothpick January 18th, 2016 at 12:04
The members of this UK parliament. body have really been watching tRump and seem to know what they are talking about.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 12:09
They do understand, tRump already threatened to not invest in his golf courses. The response was meh.
anothertoothpick January 18th, 2016 at 12:10
When I first heard about this debate a couple of weeks ago, I thought they would NEVER do it.
Thankfully I was WRONG.
anothertoothpick January 18th, 2016 at 12:15
I didn’t want to Hijack this thread. But I just wanted to give you a heads up on the Cspan coverage and did not know where to put it.
Glad to see you were already watching it.
I am sure Allen will have something for us a little later on.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 12:49
Again you are correct.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 12:51
Very very true.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 12:02
I love it, a member just brought up geller and her ban from entering England.
robert January 18th, 2016 at 12:08
why not Germany told bush / cheney not to visit anytime soon
anothertoothpick January 18th, 2016 at 12:09
If they vote to ban tRump, do you think his poles will go up more?
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 12:09
maybe, but they will still be the minority.
robert January 18th, 2016 at 12:12
im wondering if this could mean the trumpster is ineligible for president G8 meetings could be hosted by the uk at a critical time ?
robert January 18th, 2016 at 11:58
2.2 % based HC income isn’t bad but i need to know what bernie is gong to do with weekly gross income tax for the middle class. If he leaves it where its at ? i dont see it getting passed
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 12:20
He will raise $630 billion by increasing the employer part of the payroll tax by 6.2 percent.
He will raise $220 billion via a 2.2 percent progressive income tax on everyone (he calls it a “premium”).
He will raise $548 billion in various taxes on the rich along with the end of current tax breaks that subsidize health care
That’s a total of $1.4 trillion
Current public spending on health care (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) runs around $1.2 trillion.
This means that Sanders is figuring that under his plan total national health care spending will be about $2.6 trillion.This is considerably less than the $3 trillion we spend now
If there’s anything to criticize, it’s his statement that the average family of four will pay only $466 per year. The problem here is that while his payroll tax might come from employers, it will end up being paid for by workers—just as existing employer health plans are ultimately paid for by workers. That would cost his family of four about $3,100, putting their total at around $3,600. And if you figure that Sanders is being optimistic about cost savings and will probably need to raise taxes more than he says, family of four total bill probably clocks in at around $4,000.which stills be the hell out of anything out there today.
robert January 18th, 2016 at 12:26
there is still the unemployed and what its going to cost them and the above doesn’t answer if you pay 32% ( middle class ) taxes per paycheck That this amount will definitely go down. What about the states that don’t pay or hardly pay taxes at all ?
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 14:15
And how will he push it thrue, The Clintons could not do it in less rancorous times and Obama can’t even get a 2.2% tax on medical equiptment passed and put in force.
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 16:39
?????
that’s the question for all of them which I don’t have the answer for any of them,
just have to have faith someone is trying to change statue duo,instead of saying we cant as to we can
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 17:34
Clinton tried, Obama got us on track…Dems have been working on it
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 19:27
Obama and Clinton let me down.
Obama had em at first but he gave in to their demands to easy in he beginning of AHCA.
WE should of had a choice to buy into a public option.
Bernie is working on it
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 19:33
he had to fight to get the ACA, compromises were made to get the ACA. Bernie has no magic wand, single payer was both Hillary and Obamas goals, reality sucks at times.
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 19:55
times are a changing and the country is moving to the left on healthcare.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 20:04
i am going to call you bubble man.
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 22:54
I’ve been called worse but mostly by losers.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 23:01
thin skinned bubble boy aren’t you. Lighten up
Sam January 20th, 2016 at 10:29
the trouble with sarcasm is most people don’t get it.
welcome to most people don’t get it list.
tracey marie January 20th, 2016 at 11:55
try /s if you are being sarcastic, welcome to the world of bubbles and sarcasm.
whatthe46 January 18th, 2016 at 23:11
ACA is working. millions have healthcare who couldn’t afford it before he took control. the repukes are trying for the 60th time to get rid of it.
Sam January 20th, 2016 at 10:26
agreed
,but who couldn’t afford it?
about 26 million and counting.
Many states that refused to ex-span Medicaid to help the poorest and most vulnerable of our society have no insurance at all.
universal healthcare would cover them and healthy people work while untreated sick people become a burden to the system and their families.
Budda January 18th, 2016 at 16:46
Are you assuming things would stay stagnant? Perhaps a Bernie presidential win would bring like minded congress-critters with him.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 17:33
Uh huh, that is not likely to happen.
mea_mark January 18th, 2016 at 19:35
I disagree, America is making a shift to the left and Sanders is helping it along.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 19:35
Or, the gop is pushing us left with their crazy.
mea_mark January 18th, 2016 at 19:40
Well, that’s a nudge to those in the middle. The discourse in the nation is changing though. The country is moving to the left as a whole. 23% of the nation may be stuck in the past and will resist change to the bitter end, but they are also old, and that bitter end, just isn’t that far off in the future for many of them.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 19:45
those are valid points
Budda January 18th, 2016 at 20:32
you’re probably correct, but we can hope…can’t we?
mea_mark January 18th, 2016 at 19:33
It wouldn’t be paid for by workers. The cost of hiring workers goes into the price of goods or services offered the consumer. The consumer pays.
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 19:54
Yes they do just like they do now but
The consumer will have more in the pocket form saving on healthcare cost to spend more or save..
Take the private insurance out of healthcare .
They will have more disposable income and so will the employer.
In theory It’s a giant circle that circulates in the economy without discriminating against income plus giving the government the right to bargain for lower cost drugs will save billions..
What cost me a 1100.00 for brand name drug called (Januvia) in the US Pharmacy’s cost me 250.00 in Canadian Pharmacy’s with no prescription insurance.
Same brand drug made by same drug company.
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 19:34
a 2.2% tax on medical equiptment still has not be implemented…what makes you think over a trillion in tax raises will go through?
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 19:59
It will save us trillions in the long run but none of this will work until we get big insurance out of our healthcare system and only one guy I know has been fighting for that and it’s not Hillary
tracey marie January 18th, 2016 at 20:02
Nonsense and you know it. If you have to lie you lose the argument
Sam January 18th, 2016 at 21:44
no one is lying.
U.S. spends 3 times per capita what the U.K. or any universal health care.spends on health care.
Do the math, and total U.S. spending is about 2.7 times
what they spend in the United Kingdom per person,
The plan would effectively abolish the private health insurance
industry, including companies like UnitedHealth Group, Aetna, and
Anthem. It would charge the government with designing and administering a
universal, comprehensive insurance product that would cover “the entire
continuum of health care, from inpatient to outpatient care; preventive
to emergency care; primary care to specialty care, including long-term
and palliative care; vision, hearing and oral health care; mental health
and substance abuse services; as well as prescription medications,
medical equipment, supplies, diagnostics and treatments.”
Candide Thirtythree January 18th, 2016 at 13:58
He will save us the 30% or so that the insurance companies are putting in their pockets and giving us nothing to show for it.
Think about that … 20 to 30 cents out of every dollar you pay to an insurance company goes to HUGE salaries for all of those at the top and huge buildings with marble counter tops and Persian rugs and BMW company cars and the jets, loads of private jets and other perks they get besides their HUGE salaries.
AND they try to screw you out of more and more money and they deny your claims…
The drug companies are charging outrageous rates because they do not have to make deals, they can charge whatever they want but they WILL have to make deals and lower prices when their only customer is Uncle Sam.
Jodie January 18th, 2016 at 17:10
Honestly? I think if we increase taxes enough to cover universal healthcare, everyone should get the same coverage and not pay a separate insurance premium at all. England has no insurance premiums at all. I just think people get in these holes when you go using wages to determine stuff. There are people that make over a certain income, yet can’t afford insurance. We can do better than this. Besides, we all deserve the same level of care.
jybarz January 18th, 2016 at 17:52
Would love to see the end of the blood sucking by the health insurance and drug companies.