Ben Carson: There Might Be ‘So Much Anarchy Going On’ That There’s No 2016 Election
COLMES: What do you mean though when you say there may not be an election in 2016?
DR. BEN CARSON: There may be so much anarchy going on.
COLMES: Anarchy? So you really think we risk risking an anarchic America to the point where elections might be put on hold, or some kind of emergency is declared with such anarchy that there wouldn’t be a Presidential election in a couple of years?
DR. BEN CARSON: I don’t want to find out. I really don’t want to find out, I don’t want to continue down this pathway that we’re going down.
I also asked Carson how he could compare President Obama to both Nazis and communists. Listen:
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StoneyCurtisll September 27th, 2014 at 13:56
All I can say is…
I’m glad Ben Carson is retired…
StoneyCurtisll September 27th, 2014 at 13:56
All I can say is…
I’m glad Ben Carson is retired…
StoneyCurtisll September 27th, 2014 at 14:08
True story…
I had my radio on driving home from work, KMBZ, (local right wing hate radio)..
They were running an ad asking for donations for the “Run Ben Run” PAC..
I couldn’t help but flashback to my youth,(1960’s)..
When “run n$#%er run” was an often tossed about phrase..
I wonder if those people realized the potential racist connotations of their slogan.
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:21
Not nearly as much fun as “Run Lola, Run”.
StoneyCurtisll September 27th, 2014 at 14:08
True story…
I had my radio on driving home from work, KMBZ, (local right wing hate radio)..
They were running an ad asking for donations for the “Run Ben Run” PAC..
I couldn’t help but flashback to my youth,(1960’s)..
When “run n$#%er run” was an often tossed about racist phrase..
I wonder if those people realized the potential racist connotations of their political slogan.
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:21
Not nearly as much fun as “Run Lola, Run”.
William September 27th, 2014 at 14:39
I really wanted to hear what this guy had to say. I wanted to get his view, and see for myself what he was all about…then?
William September 27th, 2014 at 14:39
I really wanted to hear what this guy had to say. I wanted to get his view, and see for myself what he was all about…then?
OldLefty September 27th, 2014 at 14:45
They say that before every election.
OldLefty September 27th, 2014 at 14:45
They say that before every election.
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 16:26
I voted democrat 3 out of the last 4 elections. I wanted inclusiveness and openness. Instead, we’ve achieved divisiveness and dumbing down of America. Many American’s have become whiners and complainers – bashing true men like Ben Carson who have achieved much in his short life. He is a man for humanity; he is a man who places God first and lives with integrity and a sense of wanting to do what’s right. Some men smile at perversion – love insulting and belittling so they can feel great yet they are only fools. Only later will you realize that you’ve missed your opportunity to be a part of the solution instead of being the whole problem of this country. I applaud American’s who are fighting for what’s right and stand for liberty. If you don’t value it – you didn’t deserve it to begin with. I’m voting for liberty, I’m voting for God and God willing – I’m voting for Ben Carson for President!! God bless you Ben Carson – God bless the United States of America!
Jake September 27th, 2014 at 17:29
This is a joke right?
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 17:40
Let me go to a forum where people give a damn. Oh, forum is an area where people meet and have discussions. Not “Forum” the porn magazine which you are probably more familiar with.
arc99 September 27th, 2014 at 17:43
your need to immediately resort to personal put-downs certainly calls into question your alleged desire for discussion.
someone looking for discussion might have explained why, no their post was not a joke. you decide to reply with some lame middle school bathroom “joke”. the kind of discussion you are looking for is duly noted.
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 18:04
You have a great point. I was disappointed after I hit send. The original post was not a joke. I think that the person, Jake, was being sarcastic, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and for the sake of argument – he was truly serious. Jake and arc99 – My original post was serious. Most Democrat and Republican politicians are pandering for votes, pitting each of us against each other, pointing the finger. And not getting the job done. Immigration – there is currently no control of our borders as hundreds pour in our country. Affordable Care Act is unaffordable. Costing Americans jobs because corporations can’t afford to operate here and will go somewhere else. Special Interest groups have tight bonds with politicians – mostly for profit while it gives politicians the power their seeking. We’re financing ISIL or ISIS because we’re purchasing most of their oil when we have resources here. Our debt is annormous and will cause us to implode if we don’t start reversing. I like Ben Carson because he has great ideas and solutions for these problems. I’ve given him more than 15 minutes of fame and he makes sense. I’ve worked since I was 15 years old. Paying taxes for over 30 years, not to mention sales tax. I’ve served my country. I work in law enforcement. I have a sense of why someone wants to be a leader. They either want to make a difference and serve the people/organization or they thrive on the power. My 2008 vote for Barak Obama was a vote for someone I thought had America’s BEST interest at heart. But now I see him as a man who wanted the power. When a scout leaves an area, there is a desire to leave the place they visited better than it was. Look at Chicago….look at our country…..look at the divisiveness….look at the anger……look at the victims……where is the unity. Where is intelligence? We’re being led to the slaughter if we don’t wake up.
Anomaly 100 September 27th, 2014 at 19:35
” My 2008 vote for Barak Obama”
If you voted for him, you’d know how to spell his name. It’s *Barack.
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 19:42
oops, its was my 120 words a minutes…..thanks!
Dwendt44 September 28th, 2014 at 01:36
The deficit has been reduced substantially, the ACA is saving the majority of people money, and the ‘derisiveness’ is largely due to Republican obstruction, talking heads on squawk radio stirring up hatred, and lying to beat the band.
Obama does have this country’s best interest at heart, but the conservatives have blocked, obstructed, filibustered, and even shut down the government to kill any progress at all.
Jake September 27th, 2014 at 17:52
Wow – right wing political discourse at its finest.
Carla Akins September 27th, 2014 at 17:52
The man has no humility and you can keep your god and anyone else’s out of my government. God has no place in government.
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 18:34
Thank you! I’ll keep HIM close and first in my life……He is the only one that saves…….I didn’t believe for along time……The love I searched for so many years from men and acceptance and achievement was not satisfying…….(yes – I had tons of Forum under my mattress at one time!)…But God’s love healed it all. Jesus died for us – even when we were sinning – because he took the punishment we deserved. We founded this nation UNDER GOD, whether you want to believe it or not…..I will not stop speaking and voting for Him in my life and government. This is my first visit to this website. I looked around and see that its very divisive and reports only one side. I don’t see where the report of the library which is removing all Christian authors and materials. The Hiding Place is a story of how Christians hid a Jewish family so they could escape a certain death. What’s next….as the article states….remove the speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr. ? Where will it end? Who pays and backs this website anyway?
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:01
God elected POTUS Obama twice! That’s why repubs lost 5 of the past 6 popular Presidential votes and the electoral college in 2008 by 2:1 (D)365 to (R)173-Mc’Palin and 3:2 (D)332 to (R)206 Bishop Romney/Ryan in 2012.
Carla Akins September 27th, 2014 at 19:08
First, the website is called Liberal Land so it leans left. We have contributors, readers and moderators that do lean right and are Christians that regularly participate in discussions. It’s a private blog, and as it states on the masthead, the publisher is Alan Colmes. No one is hiding anything.
As for removing the speeches of MLK, that’s just crazy talk. No one here is in favor of banning free speech or historical information – that would be the fundamental Christians that wants everyone to believe as they do or else. The first amendment is crucial to our government and our way of life. No government sanctioned religion. It has no place in government or public schools – ever. Not yours or anyone else’s.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:27
Per SCOTUS 1982 Private schools do legally teach theocratic doctrine and dogma that is privately funded. -Not Public schools!
All public schools have taxpayer funded comparative religion courses that are all inclusive. -Ms. Hermsmeyer responded to the charge, denying the schools were discriminating against Christian authors or publishing companies, saying all religious material was being removed, no matter the source, writing:
“At no time, however, have we discriminated against Christian authors or publishing companies who create secular educational materials. We are a public school, and as such, we are barred by law from purchasing sectarian curriculum materials with state funds. We only keep on our shelves the books that we are authorized to purchase with public funds.”
No religious materials are ever USA public school purchased. Move to a religious theocracy. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/california_s_springs_charter_schools_purge_christian_books_from_school_libraries
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 20:27
Its very sad. You know, there’s bad in everything. Bad Christians, bad white people, bad black people, bad straight people, bad gay people, bad in good people, good in bad people. Obewon, your article reminds me of when Nazi Germany removed the writings of Jewish authors, doesn’t it to you? Very interesting. Do you think it could happen again? http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/09/23/school-accused-purging-christian-books/
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 20:29
Sorry, I want to be inclusive. I forgot to say bad atheist, etc. You get my point.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:52
This isn’t new unless you’ve been under a rock in denial of 18th & 20th century law defining Inclusive in 1962: – In 1962 USA’s Supreme Court justices ruled that official prayer had no place in public education. -The court did not rule that students are forbidden to pray on their own; the justices merely said that government officials had no business composing a prayer for students to recite. The Engel v. Vitale case came about because parents in New York challenged a prayer written by a New York education board. These Christian, Jewish and Unitarian parents did not want their children subjected to state-sponsored devotions. The high court agreed that the scheme amounted to government promotion of religion.
In the following year, 1963, the Supreme Court handed down another important ruling dealing with prayer in public schools. In Abington Township School District v. Schempp, the court declared school-sponsored Bible reading and recitation of the Lord’s Prayer unconstitutional. https://www.au.org/resources/publications/prayer-and-the-public-schools
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:44
You just found out the USA isn’t a theocracy. So you’re blaming the Reagan admins 1982 SCOTUS decision? Or USA’s 1789 ratified constitution? Or founder Thomas Jefferson’s Danbury Baptist letter coining term ‘the wall separating church & state?’
All inclusive ‘comparative religion’ dogma is taught in public schools. Public school prayer isn’t banned either unless you exclude other faiths e.g. the Jewish faith of Jesus, et al.
Dwendt44 September 28th, 2014 at 01:28
‘Comparaitve Religion’ CAN be taught in public schools, but the same people who want ‘god’ back in schools (?) are against it.
It doesn’t teach JUST christianity, and exposing the little ruffians to other religions may show some of them that christianity is largely borrowed from other older religions.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 21:02
Are you saying POTUS George Washington, John Adams, our founders the founders congress were “bad?”
“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”-1796 George Washington’s Treaty of Tripoli ratified by our USA founders and signed by religious conservative, founder & 2nd POTUS John Adams Sr. http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
Quacker September 30th, 2014 at 16:33
Obewon, I can out-produce you in religion-supporting quotes by George Washington and all the Founding Fathers. Give up while you are behind. A SMALL sampling …
GEORGE WASHINGTON: “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.” … The Writings of George Washington vol. 30, 4-30-1789. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/washington/ (Thanksgiving Proclamation)
GEORGE WASHINGTON: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are
indispensable supports….reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” … Farewell Address: American Daily Advertiser, Sept. 19, 1796.
JOHN ADAMS: “[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue”. …
John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.
JOHN ADAMS: “[W]e have no governmentarmed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by
morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” … John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the
Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. … I therefore beg leave to
move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.” … James Madison, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, Max Farrand, editor (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1911), Vol. I, pp. 450-452, June 28, 1787.
Obewon September 30th, 2014 at 18:43
I confine my “religion-supporting quotes” to our Governing U.S. Constitution, SCOTUS and accordingly ratified U.S. Treaties! You lose.
Quacker September 30th, 2014 at 19:51
I should’ve have realized before replying that you would invent some special rules of commentary that allow you to exclude literally hundreds of other historical documents that prove the Founding Fathers perspectives on religion and faith and their importance to American ideals.
OldLefty September 30th, 2014 at 20:13
Founding Fathers perspectives on religion and faith and their importance to American ideals.
________
Like;
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common
Law.” Thomas Jefferson -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet
we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect
of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half
hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”
Thomas Jefferson – “Notes on Virginia”
.
“Shake off all the fears of servile
prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason
firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every
opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if
there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. Thomas Jefferson – letter to Peter
Carr, Aug. 10, 1787 .
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purpose.” Thomas
Jefferson – to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 .
Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind
and unfits it for every noble enterprise.” James
Madison -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774 .
“Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great
ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous
projects.” . James Madison
“The purpose of separation of church and state
is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the
soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
James Madison -1803 letter objecting use of
gov. land for churches
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the
voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting
vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be
more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God.
It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
Thomas Paine
“What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the
Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the
belief of this debauchery is called faith.”
Thomas Paine
“All national institutions of churches,
whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human
inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and
profit.”
Thomas Paine
Obewon September 30th, 2014 at 20:48
Lol! ‘Special rules’ like governed by Constitution, Ratified treaties & standing SCOTUS precedents are why birther Ben Carson’s 6,000 year old creationist fantasy won’t ever be taught as science in U.S. public schools vs our 4.5 B year old Earth, 2.5 B years of evolving Earth life & 13.8 B year old universal age.
Non of this is “New” proving Ben Carson a liar, again.
Dwendt44 September 28th, 2014 at 01:24
In order for good people to do evil, religion is required.
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:30
4 u Carla – http://www.billwhittle.com
Joe September 27th, 2014 at 18:22
PaulaNix, your unifying words are spot on! Enemies of this nation within it and outside it will use every opportunity to divide us and distract, which will make their job of destroying this great nation much easier. God Bless Dr. Carson!
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:30
Joe, wanted to share. http://www.billwhittle.com
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 18:50
Are you planning a write-in campaign? The GOP won’t ever nominate Ben Carson for president.
Anomaly 100 September 27th, 2014 at 19:05
“I voted democrat 3 out of the last 4 elections.”
This is me totally not believing you.
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:26
“…we’ve achieved divisiveness and dumbing down of America”, yes, the fringe right wing program in a nutshell.
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:30
for u – http://www.billwhittle.com
liberalMD September 27th, 2014 at 23:55
The reason Dr. Ben Carson is not taken seriously by (most of) the American public is that he has no substance. The only thing he can do is make ridiculous and cataclysmic statements and then not provide any evidence or proof to back them up. Examples include:
–There’s so much anarchy going on that there might not be a 2016 election.
–The Affordable Care Act “is the worst thing that has happened to this country since slavery”.
–“By believing we are the product of random acts, we eliminate morality and the basis of ethical behavior”.
–Regarding the recent Veterans’ Administration scandal: “I think what’s happening with the Veterans is a gift from God to show us what happens when you take layers and layers of bureaucracy and place them between the patients and its healthcare provider.”
Until he provides some constructive solutions to the problems of this nation, he is just another contestant in the Republican Presidential Pageant. Right now, he’s a PeeWee Leaguer trying to make it on the roster of the Los Angeles Angels.
PaulaNix September 28th, 2014 at 13:59
With the points you’ve made, Ben Carson has offered solutions. Everyone on this site seems very happy with how things are going. Actually, I haven’t read any criticisms within the Liberaland / within the party. Its really a representation of how one team is against another team – but we don’t realize – We’re on the same team. When Ray Maxwell stated to Congressional Committee last week that the State Department’s Chief of Staff removed important documents regarding Benghazi, no other news source, other than Fox News carried the story. And if it was picked up, it was reported as right wing conservatives still trying to bring the President down. (I didn’t want to hear about President Reagan and the Iran-Contra scandal, it took months, but he was dead wrong! I didn’t want to hear about Clinton and Monica L.; it took months, but he was wrong; I don’t want to believe President Obama had anything to do with Ambassador Stevens weak security and a purposeful negligence from Obama and the State Department, it’s been months; but He is wrong and Clinton is wrong!! And if the truth were told, he would not be president today. http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/u-s-politics/watch-retired-state-dept-employee-tells-administration-withheld-incriminating-benghazi-documents/ Okay; release the twisted, perverted comments! My last comment – I promise – I’m registered as non-affiliate for a party. My mission this week is to register as republican. Good Bye Democratic Party.
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:29
http://www.billwhittle.com
njguy54 September 28th, 2014 at 06:30
Dr Carson has you right where he wants you. Most of what he says sounds like it comes from someone who can barely tie his own shoes, and not from an accomplished surgeon. But Carson knows his audience, he knows what gets attention and he knows what pays. Like any good snake oil salesman, he’s found a lucrative market, and he’ll work it as long as he can.
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:29
Right where I want you – http://www.billwhittle.com
arc99 September 27th, 2014 at 17:43
your need to immediately resort to personal put-downs certainly calls into question your alleged desire for discussion.
someone looking for discussion might have explained why, no their post was not a joke. you decide to reply with some lame middle school bathroom “joke”. the kind of discussion you are looking for is duly noted.
Anomaly 100 September 27th, 2014 at 19:35
” My 2008 vote for Barak Obama”
If you voted for him, you’d know how to spell his name. It’s *Barack.
Dwendt44 September 28th, 2014 at 01:36
The deficit has been reduced substantially, the ACA is saving the majority of people money, and the ‘derisiveness’ is largely due to Republican obstruction, talking heads on squawk radio stirring up hatred, and lying to beat the band.
Obama does have this country’s best interest at heart, but the conservatives have blocked, obstructed, filibustered, and even shut down the government to kill any progress at all.
Carla Akins September 27th, 2014 at 17:52
The man has no humility and you can keep your god and anyone else’s out of my government. God has no place in government.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:01
God elected POTUS Obama twice! That’s why repubs lost 5 of the past 6 popular Presidential votes and the electoral college in 2008 by 2:1 (D) 365 to (R) 173-Mc’Palin and 3:2 (D) 332 to (R) 206 in the Bishop Romney/Ryan 2012 “Landslide!”
Carla Akins September 27th, 2014 at 19:08
First, the website is called Liberal Land so it leans left. We have contributors, readers and moderators that do lean right and are Christians that regularly participate in discussions. It’s a private blog, and as it states on the masthead, the publisher is Alan Colmes. No one is hiding anything.
As for removing the speeches of MLK, that’s just crazy talk. No one here is in favor of banning free speech or historical information – that would be the fundamental Christians that wants everyone to believe as they do or else. The first amendment is crucial to our government and our way of life. No government sanctioned religion. It has no place in government or public schools – ever. Not yours or anyone else’s.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:27
Per SCOTUS 1982 Private schools do legally teach theocratic doctrine and dogma that is privately funded. -Not Public schools!
All public schools have taxpayer funded comparative religion courses that are all inclusive. -Ms. Hermsmeyer responded to the charge, denying the schools were discriminating against Christian authors or publishing companies, saying all religious material was being removed, no matter the source, writing:
“At no time, however, have we discriminated against Christian authors or publishing companies who create secular educational materials. We are a public school, and as such, we are barred by law from purchasing sectarian curriculum materials with state funds. We only keep on our shelves the books that we are authorized to purchase with public funds.”
No religious materials are ever purchased by USA public schools. Move to a religious theocracy. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/california_s_springs_charter_schools_purge_christian_books_from_school_libraries
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:44
You just found out the USA isn’t a theocracy. So you’re blaming the Reagan admins 1982 SCOTUS decision? Or USA’s 1789 ratified constitution? Or founder Thomas Jefferson’s Danbury Baptist letter coining term ‘the wall separating church & state?’
All inclusive ‘comparative religion’ dogma is taught in public schools. Public school prayer isn’t banned either unless you exclude other faiths e.g. the Jewish faith of Jesus, et al.
Dwendt44 September 28th, 2014 at 01:28
‘Comparaitve Religion’ CAN be taught in public schools, but the same people who want ‘god’ back in schools (?) are against it.
It doesn’t teach JUST christianity, and exposing the little ruffians to other religions may show some of them that christianity is largely borrowed from other older religions.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:52
This isn’t new unless you’re in denial of USA’s 18th & 20th century laws defining Inclusive in 1962: – In 1962 USA’s Supreme Court justices ruled that official prayer had no place in public education. -The court did not rule that students are forbidden to pray on their own; the justices merely said that government officials had no business composing a prayer for students to recite. The Engel v. Vitale case came about because parents in New York challenged a prayer written by a New York education board. These Christian, Jewish and Unitarian parents did not want their children subjected to state-sponsored devotions. The high court agreed that the scheme amounted to government promotion of religion.
In the following year, 1963, the Supreme Court handed down another important ruling dealing with prayer in public schools. In Abington Township School District v. Schempp, the court declared school-sponsored Bible reading and recitation of the Lord’s Prayer unconstitutional. https://www.au.org/resources/publications/prayer-and-the-public-schools
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 21:02
Are you saying POTUS’ George Washington, John Adams, our founders and the founders congress were “bad?”
“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”-1796 George Washington’s Treaty of Tripoli ratified by our USA founders and signed by religious conservative, founder & 2nd POTUS John Adams Sr. http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
Quacker September 30th, 2014 at 16:33
Obewon, I can out-produce you in religion-supporting quotes by George Washington and all the Founding Fathers. Give up while you are behind. A SMALL sampling …
GEORGE WASHINGTON: “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.” … The Writings of George Washington vol. 30, 4-30-1789. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/washington/ (Thanksgiving Proclamation)
GEORGE WASHINGTON: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are
indispensable supports….reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” … Farewell Address: American Daily Advertiser, Sept. 19, 1796.
JOHN ADAMS: “[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue”. …
John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.
JOHN ADAMS: “[W]e have no governmentarmed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by
morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” … John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the
Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. … I therefore beg leave to
move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.” … James Madison, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, Max Farrand, editor (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1911), Vol. I, pp. 450-452, June 28, 1787.
Obewon September 30th, 2014 at 18:43
I confine my “religion-supporting quotes” to our Governing U.S. Constitution, standing SCOTUS precedents and accordingly ratified U.S. Treaties! You lose.
Exhibit A: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”-1796 George Washington’s Treaty of Tripoli RATIFIED by our USA founders congress and signed by religious conservative, founder & 2nd POTUS John Adams Sr. http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm SCOTUS rulings validate our constitutional wall separating church and government. All inclusive prayer in public schools is SCOTUS valid, but not non-secular “Christian religion” unconstitutional public school prayer. E.g. from below: -SCOTUS did not rule that students are forbidden to pray on their own; the justices merely said that government officials had no business composing a prayer for students to recite. The Engel v. Vitale case came about because parents in New York challenged a prayer written by a NY education board. *->These Christian, Jewish and Unitarian parents did not want their children subjected to state-sponsored devotions. The high court agreed that the scheme amounted to government promotion of religion.<-*
In 1963, the Supreme Court handed down another important ruling dealing with prayer in public schools. In Abington Township School District v. Schempp declared school-sponsored Bible reading and recitation of the Lord's Prayer unconstitutional. https://www.au.org/resources/publications/prayer-and-the-public-schools Creationism/ID fantasies are similarly SCOTUS barred from public school teaching as Science, but not in all inclusive 'Comparative religion.'
Quacker September 30th, 2014 at 19:51
I should’ve have realized before replying that you would invent some special rules of commentary that allow you to exclude literally hundreds of other historical documents that prove the Founding Fathers perspectives on religion and faith and their importance to American ideals.
OldLefty September 30th, 2014 at 20:13
Founding Fathers perspectives on religion and faith and their importance to American ideals.
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Like;
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common
Law.” Thomas Jefferson -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet
we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect
of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half
hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”
Thomas Jefferson – “Notes on Virginia”
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“Shake off all the fears of servile
prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason
firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every
opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if
there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. Thomas Jefferson – letter to Peter
Carr, Aug. 10, 1787 .
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purpose.” Thomas
Jefferson – to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 .
Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind
and unfits it for every noble enterprise.” James
Madison -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774 .
“Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great
ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous
projects.” . James Madison
“The purpose of separation of church and state
is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the
soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
James Madison -1803 letter objecting use of
gov. land for churches
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the
voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting
vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be
more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God.
It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
Thomas Paine
“What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the
Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the
belief of this debauchery is called faith.”
Thomas Paine
“All national institutions of churches,
whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human
inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and
profit.”
Thomas Paine
Obewon September 30th, 2014 at 20:48
Lol! ‘Special rules’ like governed by Constitution, Ratified treaties & standing SCOTUS precedents are why birther Ben Carson’s 6,000 year old Earth & universe creationist fantasies won’t ever be taught as science or fact in U.S. public schools vs our 4.5 B year old Earth, 2.5 B years+ of life evolving on Earth within our 13.8 B year old universe. http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/ & http://jwst.nasa.gov/firstlight.html Discovery of 13.6 Billion Year Old Star Destroys Creationists Theory Of Universe’s Age. http://www.alan.com/2014/02/16/discovery-of-13-6-billion-year-old-star-destroys-creationsts-theory-of-universes-age/
Well proven science fact and 20th century conservative majority SCOTUS rulings I posted aren’t ‘New religious constraints’, thereby proving Ben Carson, et al liars again.
->BTW G. Washington did Not “Author” what you claimed:) He mailed it with $25 Oct 3, 1789 to the 13 colony/states Before 1791’s Bill of Rights ratification made it unconstitutional 1st A”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”:) “Citing biblical precedents and resolutions of the Continental Congress, the proponents of a Thanksgiving celebration prevailed, and the House appointed a committee consisting of Elias Boudinot, Roger Sherman, and Peter Silvester to approach President Washington.” http://www.snopes.com/holidays/thanksgiving/washington.asp#WB24QjmFHaRumicu.99 #13 RI Ratifies US Const May 29, 1790 making Constitution valid ‘requests 21 US Const alterations’:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_drafting_and_ratification_of_the_United_States_Constitution
Dwendt44 September 28th, 2014 at 01:24
In order for good people to do evil, religion is required.
Joe September 27th, 2014 at 18:22
PaulaNix, your unifying words are spot on! Enemies of this nation within it and outside it will use every opportunity to divide us and distract, which will make their job of destroying this great nation much easier. God Bless Dr. Carson!
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 18:40
The GOP zealots are so desperate for crazy that Wing Nut Daily’s Birther Ben Carson seems sane to them because he tells them what they want to hear ‘The 4.5 billion year old Earth and 13.8 billion year old universe were impossibly ‘born’ on Sunday October 23, 4004 B.C.’
School kids are smarter today than Ben Carson loons as Texas edcucated science teacher Cara Santa Maria proves: Creationist Congress: Broun, Akin & ‘Early Earth’ 6,000 Years Ago Video. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/creationist-congress-early-earth_n_2234540.html
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 19:16
Personally, I like Lee Stoebel’s The Case for The Creator. You can watch them free on Godtube.com. Excellent resource!! Actually, the whole series is excellent. The Case for Christ, The Case for Faith, The Case for the Creator, and he has a fourth one coming out soon. I’ll keep you posted.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:42
Thanks but there is 00.0% factual evidence of a 6,000 year old Earth or Universe. Exhibit A: Discovery of 13.6 Billion Year Old Star Destroys Creationists Theory Of Universe’s Age. http://www.alan.com/2014/02/16/discovery-of-13-6-billion-year-old-star-destroys-creationsts-theory-of-universes-age/ <-Links to peer reviewed data easily debunking creationist Ben Carson's scientifically illiterate "opinion."
Larry Schmitt September 27th, 2014 at 20:37
He’s totally preaching to the choir. If you already believe, they might make you feel good. If you don’t, they won’t convince you you’re wrong.
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:29
and 4 U – http://www.billwhittle.com
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 18:40
The GOP zealots are so desperate for crazy that Wing Nut Daily’s birther Ben Carson seems sane to them because he tells them what they want to hear ‘The 4.5 billion year old Earth and 13.8 billion year old universe were impossibly ‘born’ on Sunday October 23, 4004 B.C.’
School kids are smarter today than Ben Carson loons, as Texas edcucated science teacher Cara Santa Maria proves: Creationist Congress: Broun, Akin & ‘Early Earth’ 6,000 Years Ago Video. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/creationist-congress-early-earth_n_2234540.html
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:42
Thanks but there is 00.0% factual evidence of a 6,000 year old Earth or Universe. Exhibit A: Discovery of 13.6 Billion Year Old Star Destroys Creationists Theory Of Universe’s Age. http://www.alan.com/2014/02/16/discovery-of-13-6-billion-year-old-star-destroys-creationsts-theory-of-universes-age/ <-Links to peer reviewed data easily debunking creationist Ben Carson's scientifically illiterate "opinions."
Larry Schmitt September 27th, 2014 at 20:37
He’s totally preaching to the choir. If you already believe, they might make you feel good. If you don’t, they won’t convince you you’re wrong.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 18:50
Are you planning a write-in campaign? The GOP and their tea Klan wing won’t ever nominate Ben Carson for president. His only value is comedic. It’s the end times for Republiklans.
Anomaly 100 September 27th, 2014 at 19:05
“I voted democrat 3 out of the last 4 elections.”
This is me totally not believing you.
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 19:18
I’ve enjoyed this time together, but I’m going to checkout of this “forum”. Thanks for listening and keeping it real!
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:53
Thanks for reading why most are skeptical of Ben Carson fundraising off of creationists. Vs well proven reality: 4.5 bn year old Earth’s oldest life fossils found on the first sandy beach in present day Western Australia that emerged after our young Earth had been submerged in water for Earth’s first 800 million years. 3.7 to 3.5 billion year old life fossils of stromatolites in Hamelin Pool Marine Nature Reserve along the coast of Western Australia. http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/oldest-fossil-ever-found.htm
PaulaNix September 27th, 2014 at 20:12
Thanks for the invite! Very interesting. Check this one out http://x-evolutionist.com/how-do-dinosaurs-fit-in-with-creation-are-dinosaurs-alive-today/
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:16
That’s the site that Mad Magazine put up to fool the young earth crowd, funny stuff!
mea_mark September 27th, 2014 at 20:19
Humor can be found in interesting places and in interesting ways. I really would like to believe in dragons. It would be as much fun as my pet unicorn.
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:24
A Scottish unicorn, no doubt.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:31
Ben Carson / PalinBrawl fleecing suckers until 2016~
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:24
Heh-heh! ‘Dinosaurs alive today:)’-in the Flintstone cartoons and as Birds who are now well proven to have evolved from 65 million year old dinosaurs escaping being grilled by their comet fed inferno. http://www.livescience.com/26933-chicxulub-cosmic-impact-dinosaurs.html Colonel Sanders was a prophet!
Larry Schmitt September 27th, 2014 at 20:40
There’s even something about dragons. Are people supposed to take that seriously? Where are the unicorns, and griffins, and Yeti, and Nessie?
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 21:08
The funny thing about creationists is that well proven science and Darwinism have relegated zealots to the dustbins of historical discards.
Chuck Schettler September 30th, 2014 at 12:18
Just Curious, when did evolution stop for the apes ? Should there not be all stages of evolution such as apes that are just starting to walk upright, stand erect, use primitive tools, cover themselves, starting to speak ?
Obewon September 30th, 2014 at 13:44
Evolution continues via Interspecies communication with Gorrilas, Dolphins, etc allowing them to converse with us and visa-versa: Koko has learned to use over 1,000 signs and seems to understand approximately 2,000 spoken English words. Further, Koko understands these signs sufficiently well to adapt them or combine them to express new meanings that she wants to convey. http://www.koko.org/scientific-goals-history
Gorilla Michael, who grew up with Koko and passed away in the year 2000 at age 27 (of cardiomyopathy), became similarly fluent in sign language, highly proficient at painting, and established that Koko is not unique — such capabilities previously thought to be beyond gorillas and other great apes are now seen as intrinsic. Ndume has also learned a number of words from both Koko and her caregivers, and studies of zoo gorillas have revealed a natural gestural communication system that appears to be quite complex.
Moreover, other ape language studies have revealed similar capabilities in other great apes (seeinterspecies communication http://www.koko.org/interspecies-communication ).
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:28
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PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:28
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mea_mark September 27th, 2014 at 20:19
Thanx for the laugh.
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:28
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PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:27
Just for you – http://www.billwhittle.com
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:27
Actually, that was laughing, not listening.
PaulaNix October 5th, 2014 at 17:27
And for you – http://www.billwhittle.com
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 19:53
Thanks for reading why most are skeptical of Ben Carson fundraising off of GOP creationists. Vs well proven reality of 4.5 bn year old Earth’s oldest life fossils found on the first beach in present day Western Australia that emerged after our young Earth had been submerged in water for Earth’s first 800 million years. 3.7 to 3.5 billion year old life fossils of stromatolites in Hamelin Pool Marine Nature Reserve along the coast of Western Australia. http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/oldest-fossil-ever-found.htm And single-celled microbes that lived 3.5 billion years ago are likely a distant ancestor of human beings. (Early humans date to 2 million years ago.) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/35-billionyearold-horribly-smelly-fossil-found-in-australia-is-oldest-ever-complete-example-of-life-on-earth-8940031.html
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:16
That’s the site that Mad Magazine put up to fool the young earth crowd, funny stuff!
mea_mark September 27th, 2014 at 20:19
Humor can be found in interesting places and in interesting ways. I really would like to believe in dragons. It would be as much fun as my pet unicorn.
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:24
A Scottish unicorn, no doubt.
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:31
Ben Carson / PalinBrawl fleecing suckers until 2016~
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 20:24
Heh-heh! ‘Dinosaurs alive today:)’-in the Flintstone cartoons and as birds who are now well proven to have evolved from 65 million year old dinosaurs escaping being grilled by their comet fed inferno. http://www.livescience.com/26933-chicxulub-cosmic-impact-dinosaurs.html Colonel Sanders was a prophet!
Larry Schmitt September 27th, 2014 at 20:40
There’s even something about dragons. Are people supposed to take that seriously? Where are the unicorns, and griffins, and Yeti, and Nessie?
Obewon September 27th, 2014 at 21:08
The funny thing about creationists is that well proven science and Darwinism have relegated zealots to the dustbins of historical discards.
Chuck Schettler September 30th, 2014 at 12:18
Just Curious, when did evolution stop for the apes ? Should there not be all stages of evolution such as apes that are just starting to walk upright, stand erect, use primitive tools, cover themselves, starting to speak ?
Obewon September 30th, 2014 at 13:44
Evolution is a constant. And continues as well through interspecies communication with Gorrilas, Dolphins, etc allowing them to converse with us and visa-versa: Koko has learned to use over 1,000 signs and seems to understand approximately 2,000 spoken English words. Further, Koko understands these signs sufficiently well to adapt them or combine them to express new meanings that she wants to convey. http://www.koko.org/scientific-goals-history
Gorilla Michael, who grew up with Koko and passed away in the year 2000 at age 27 (of cardiomyopathy), became similarly fluent in sign language, highly proficient at painting, and established that Koko is not unique — such capabilities previously thought to be beyond gorillas and other great apes are now seen as intrinsic. Ndume has also learned a number of words from both Koko and her caregivers, and studies of zoo gorillas have revealed a natural gestural communication system that appears to be quite complex.
Moreover, other ape language studies have revealed similar capabilities in other great apes (see interspecies communication http://www.koko.org/interspecies-communication ) Use Google if you’re unaware that all Mammal’s evolved from a shrew like creature surviving the comet epoch 65 M years ago.
Here’s another evolutionary example: Echolocation in toothed whales and ground-dwelling mammals (Bats) http://www.mapoflife.org/topics/topic_369_Echolocation-in-toothed-whales-and-ground-dwelling-mammals/
mea_mark September 27th, 2014 at 20:19
Thanx for the laugh.
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:26
“…we’ve achieved divisiveness and dumbing down of America”, yes, the fringe right wing program in a nutshell.
tiredoftea September 27th, 2014 at 20:27
Actually, that was laughing, not listening.