LA Gov. Jindal Likely to Force Life Support For Brain Dead Woman To Protect Fetus

Posted by | June 10, 2014 06:31 | Filed under: News Behaving Badly Politics Top Stories


Even if it goes against the wishes of the family Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal wants to pass a law that would require them to keep a pregnant woman alive to protect a fetus.

House Bill 1274, sponsored by state Rep. Austin Badon (D), specifies that if a woman is at least 20 weeks pregnant, the doctor must keep her on mechanical support unless her will specifically states that she wants to be taken off life support if she is pregnant. The bill overwhelmingly passed the House and Senate last week.

“Do we really want to pull the plug of that healthy baby?” Badon said during debates, according to The Times-Picayune.

The state Senate passed the bill with an amendment that would have given family members the option of taking the woman off life support, but a six-person conference committee of House and Senate members stripped that provision in their final compromise.

A Texas judge ruled earlier this year that a Fort Worth hospital had to remove a pregnant woman from life support in accordance with her husband’s wishes…

Jindal is expected to sign the bill.

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140 responses to LA Gov. Jindal Likely to Force Life Support For Brain Dead Woman To Protect Fetus

  1. Dwendt44 June 10th, 2014 at 12:30

    Just when you think the anti-abortion crowd has sunk to the bottom, some of them show up with a shovel and start digging deeper yet. Geesh.

    • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 07:42

      Without them you may have never been born. It’s easy to be pro abortion after you are born.

      • TiredOfThemAll June 11th, 2014 at 07:53

        Without them you may have never been born. It’s easy to be pro abortion after you are born.

        _______

        ????

        And without proper healthcare, or liquor, or a blackout in during a storm, you may have never been born.

        How many people may have never been born, because of the rhythm method?

        So what?

        That is why we are pro choice.

        • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 18:51

          The choice ends with pregnancy. Preventing conception is different than destroying life. It the drunk who gets behind the wheel and kills someone excused because he didn’t really mean to get into an accident? Besides he has driven home lots of times while drunk and never has an accident before.
          Your poor choice to have sex without accepting the very real possibility that your choice of contraception had a chance of failing is like the drunk who strikes a pedestrian on a deserted road late at night and instead of calling for help for the victim backs up and runs him over a few more times to make sure the only witness to the crime can’t file charges.

          • TiredOfThemAll June 11th, 2014 at 19:08

            The choice is before 24 weeks. (Except for the life of the mother.)

            There is a reason why they call it a stillborn (birth AND death certificate) after 24 weeks and a miscarriage (NO birth or death certificate) Before 24 weeks.

            • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 19:59

              Why 24 weeks? Who decided?

              • TiredOfThemAll June 11th, 2014 at 20:14

                Medicine and the law.

                Should YOU decide for women?

                • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 22:04

                  I don’t think the brain dead mother minds giving birth since she hasn’t a mind any more. It is a shame to ode two people during an accident when one is enough.

                  • TiredOfThemAll June 12th, 2014 at 07:13

                    the brain dead mother ?????

                    That’s why it’s not an issue for men.

                    • Justin Volke V June 12th, 2014 at 18:06

                      What is the baby is a girl?

                    • TiredOfThemAll June 13th, 2014 at 07:15

                      We are not talking about babies.

                    • Justin Volke V June 13th, 2014 at 11:34

                      Sure we are. They are just not yet born. Or don’t you know where babies come from. Hint: it isn’t a cabbage patch or a stork.

                    • OldLefty June 13th, 2014 at 21:34

                      I know.
                      I work in healthcare.

                      We are talking about fertilized eggs, embryos and fetuses.

                      And the decisions are best made by women.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 01:20

                      Josef mengale worked in medicine too. I work in medicine too. And so do veterinarians. I know a cleaning lady that works in medicine too. She scrubs floors and toilets in our building The difference is that one of us knows we are talking about human embryos and human fetuses. They are living human beings in their most nascent and most vunrable state and deserve the most sensitive of care. The hipocatic oath demanded that a physician may not prescribe an abortifacient and the goal of a physician is to do no harm and whenever possible save the life of both mother and baby. And to save at least one of them if not both whenever possible.

                    • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 02:29

                      but what if the baby is gay. I remember you typed if there was a way to tell the fetus could be aborted if gay

                      LOL type type type and you still look silly

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:32

                      Yes. I did type that as an example of how illogical it is to claim abortion as a right. In china under their one child per family laws women were killing only their unborn daughters. Talk about a war on woman. Image those few daughters that wind up making it and outnumbered by men. Do you think rape will be more or less likely when there aren’t enough women available?
                      Killing babies before their born for the crimes of the parents is always wrong no matter the reason. Legality is just the temporary whims of a majority or the opinion of a group of men in black robes that can change. Slavery was legal in this country even by a Supreme Court. It was always wrong. Just as is abortion. And now China is changing its policy realizing the impending demographic disaster that abortion for personal preference leads. It is isn’t a fifth but only a temporary privelege extended until it becomes abused.

                    • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 15:30

                      no you typed that as a way to bash gays

                      you still look silly

                      and you lose again

                      you arent very good at this are you

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:41

                      Still with as hominem attacks ? Still can’t offer any logical argument to support your claims? As I said liberalism is mired in feelings and emotions. The same act is either right or wrong based on the arbitrary and capricious mental state of the decision maker at that time. Ends always justify the means. Bad laws capable of allowing hate crimes of the murder of unborn babies because they are gay cannot be a mothers “right” can it? Do you think that the GLBTQ crowd would stand for the mass genocide should it begin?

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:56

                      Most of the pro choice arguments are based on facts.

                      I would certainly seem that YOUR’S are the emotional arguments based solely upon the the way you WISH things could be while ignoring every other factor involved in the issue.

                      Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 10:28

                      If true then you are the pot calling the kettle black.

                      An unborn human life starts at conception. Every single one of the 100 billion human beings ever born began life at that moment. That is a biological fact completely divorced from emotion. Whether or not it has value is where you allow your emotions to cloud the issue.

                      If I got a woman pregnant I would be man enough to own up to that and accept responsibility for raising that child. Wanted or not. Removing that choice or obligation claiming I have no say does not reduce the intrinsic fact that a new life has been created that could not have been without the sexual coupling that preceded it. Responsibility for actions must be universal or they are no longer responsibilities for anyone. Women who abandon children or drown them in bathtubs because they got to be too much to care for should be left alone and we should not call it murder. Because in your world of emotions only the mother can assign any value to human life and can change her mind at any time.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:43

                      Btw. Silly is a personal emotional opinion. It isn’t fact. What looks silly to one person doesn’t make it wrong to someone else.

                    • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 15:29

                      btw way to avoid the content of the post

                      u lose

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:38

                      Josef mengale worked in medicine too.

                      _________

                      And the Taliban don’t allow abortions either.

                      We know the difference between the potential person and the actual person.

                      And with better knowledge today, most physicians know that often abortion is the route of less harm.

                      I have given you several examples of common practices that harm actual children.
                      Also, fertility clinics dispose of fertilized eggs in petrie dishes all the time.
                      We enjoy the cheap labor from countries who engage in forced abortions all the time.
                      Boys make “choices” to engage in certain activity that results in pregnancy all the time, and walk away, often to to take advantage of scholarships, all the time, (perhaps DNA testing and an ankle bracelet, or if the father is a married man, his family accounts should be tapped).

                      Perhaps if your concern is more than hollow, sanctimonious busybody-ness , you could work to ameliorate some of these issues, instead of only being interested in inserting yourself into the womb.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 12:29

                      Abortion is never the safest choice for the baby. It’s just dead and dismembered as if done after birth.
                      Arguing over whether natural childbirth or abortion is safer for mom is like arguing whether beheading or hanging is less likely to cause carpal tunnel syndrome for the executioner.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 12:40

                      I am not talking about babies.
                      I am talking about women.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:11

                      So you see no distinction between a woman and an expectant mother with child? Nine months hence one group will be double the size of the other. So I am not talking about babies I am talking about both.
                      Getting back to the story. If this mothers last words were “if you can’t save us both save my baby” would you have more respect for her than if she said ” f’. the baby just save me”?

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:16

                      So you see no distinction between a woman and an expectant mother with child?

                      ______

                      Women and girls are women and girls.

                      That is all here is to it.

                      Each woman has the right to make her own choice, but I believe it would be a very different story if men got pregnant.

                      Abortion would be available at the drive thru.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:30

                      You can believe it would be different if men could get pregnant but that is sheer fantasy. If men could get pregnant they wouldn’t be men they would be women. Arguing about improbable situations sometimes has merit. But arguing over the impossible is living in a denial of reality and a waste of time and serves no purpose.

                      Unless you want to redefine the definition of man and woman to fit your argument. But you must allow the other side similar latitude to redefine the meaning of words. But a rose by any other name…..

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:35

                      You can believe it would be different if men could get pregnant but that is sheer fantasy.

                      ______

                      It is making a point about the rank hypocrisy of men who think they should insert themselves in the business of others.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:58

                      Or is it the other way around? Women give their autonomy to decide when they allow men to insert their sexual organ into hers.
                      Like it or not only the female of our species can bear children even though both are required. Men can sire children as often as they can ejaculate with as many women as they can find. Women can only bear once every 9 months. Yet the ratio of men to women is close to unity. The only thing keeping humanity from returning to rutting elk herds and the collapse of civilization is limiting men to only one mate. Abortion drives a wedge in any hope of limiting our animal instincts and to cooperate in the raising of our offspring.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 14:23

                      Or is it the other way around? Women give their autonomy to decide when they allow men to insert their sexual organ into hers.

                      _______

                      1) No they don’t , whether or not they allow anything.

                      Because it is THEIR body, I would sat that it is MEN who give up THEIR autonomy to decide when they insert THEIR sexual organ into hers.

                      2) Women really don’t need men anymore. They only need sperm, that they can get from sperm banks.

                      And like it or not, men require a government, to be certain any child is theirs, and any woman can abort ( even spontaneously ) without the man even knowing any pregnancy occurred.

                      Contraception and abortion rights is the difference between us and the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan.

                      Again, especially the more I talk to you, the more I trust women to make their own decisions.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 01:25

                      If decisions are best made by women how did she wind up pregnant and brain dead? Sounds more like women are just as capable of making the poorest decisions and driven by emotions instead of facts logic and reasoned thought. Perfect liberals.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:21

                      “If decisions are best made by women how did she wind up pregnant and brain dead?”

                      ________

                      What are you talking about????

                      What does one of these have to do with the other??

                      Some women get raped.

                      Sometimes contraception doesn’t work.

                      Some girls get raped by their daddies or their uncles.

                      Some married women are put under pressure by husbands who don’t care about the consequences.

                      Some women are just careless.

                      Some women make a mistake with a man who is unwilling to share in any of the consequences.

                      Some women tried mightily to get pregnant but suffer with epidermolysis bullose, lethal acantholytic, lethal osteogenesis imperfecta, holoprosencephaly (a condition where there is no brain) uterine cancers, preeclampsia, ruptured endometrium….

                      Most will do what they have to do, it is only a matter of whether it legal and safe or illegal and deadly.

                      Point is…. YOU don’t get to decide for them.
                      Sounds like you are operating more from an emotional hatred of women than by facts.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:23

                      Some….. Some…… Some…… Yadyyadadad….
                      The exception to the rule doesn’t negate the rule. With all those risks why conceive a child. Ever ? Why did your mom and dad risk all those lethal birth defects and complications of pregnancy just to have a child that denies the reason for her very existence? Why not just slap your parents in the face and scream that you wished you’d never been born? It would at least give your arguments some credibility. But I am sure your parents loved you very much inspire of your selfishness.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:30

                      With all those risks why conceive a child.

                      _______

                      These are all emotional strawman arguments and ignore the facts as we find them.

                      And I am sure that YOUR mother loved YOU very much inspite of YOU selfishness and hatred of women.

                      Funny, that I only knew 3 people who had an abortions;
                      1…non political

                      2… Wealthy checkbook Republican.

                      3) ….Daughter of a man who’s car was covered with anti choice “Choose life” bumper stickers, who changed his mind when something happened to HIS daughter, in college.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:48

                      If decisions are best made by women how did she wind up pregnant and brain dead?

                      ______

                      She should allow the decisions be made by the men who’s poorest decisions, driven by emotions were equally and most often more responsible for her state.

                      Perfect conservatives.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 10:35

                      Sorry but as much as I might wish to put a woman into a state of pregnancy without raping her the decision to get pregnant is a decision both make equally when they decide to have sex. Both know the risk that whatever contraceptive method they choose is not 100% effective so the responsibity for the consequences should be just as equally shared.
                      All sorts of social ills are the result of trying to separate actions from consequences.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 10:52

                      Some women DON’T decide to have sex.

                      Some woman do with goal of becoming pregnant, (then things go horribly wrong).

                      Some women make mistakes.

                      Some women want to please their husbands.

                      It’s none of your business or the state’s business.

                      Women will always , and HAVE always done what they have to do, and the anti choice laws only dictate that those with money have safe choices and those that don’t will resort to unsafe choices.

                      Again, get back to me when you care as much about the born, otherwise it all rings hollow, phony and sanctimonious.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 12:47

                      Babies should never need the protection of government in a loving and committed marriage. Natural instinct of parents is to protect their children at all costs even if it means loss of their own life.
                      But when that protective instinct is abandoned or intentionally ignored who is there to protect the innocent baby who didn’t do anything to deserve dismemberment or a Gosnelian mini-guillotine.

                      I volunteer at a shelter for battered women with children. I donate to catholic charities who offer adoption services for the unwanted child. So I guess I can get back to you after all. But an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Spreading our donations out so thinly when the solution is free and 100% effective birth control by saying no and men respecting that no means no is frustrating. That is where women’s right to choose should be applied. Burying people struck and killed by drunk drivers
                      Is not the best place to intervene. Not getting drunk and getting behind the wheel is free. All it takes is for a little personal responsibility and self denial to drink until you get home.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:11

                      Babies should never need the protection of government in a loving and committed marriage

                      ______

                      Don’t be silly this has nothing to do with any of that.

                      EVERYONE works or volunteers at facilities that confirm their views.

                      You seem to con fuse the world as you wish it were with the world as it is.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:17

                      Et Tu Brute?

                      But my world has a future that lasts more than a generation. Your world is designed to destroy the next generation as long as you gain a temporary benefit.

                      That is the world as it is. You choose to destroy it and I choose to secure it.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:23

                      But my world has a future that lasts more than a generatio

                      _______
                      Don’t be such a drama queen.
                      So do ALL of our worlds.

                      Nothing has changed over the centuries except the safety.

                      It is YOUR world that would prefer to see girls and women dead, or beaten or impoverished, and actual infants and children sick, starving and abused.

                      You know what they say; “Love the fetus, Hate the child”.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:41

                      Where did you ever get such ideas about what world I prefer ? Surely not from what I have posted. It is your delusional imagination that seems bent on conflagration rather than distillation.
                      I prefer a world where man respect and honor women and do not abuse them with sexual relations without responsibility or commitment to be a responsible provider no matter how rough the going gets. And to show that in advance of sex by offering to marry her first.
                      While not perfectly achievable in a sex obsessed world, as Michelangelo observed: ” the danger for most of us is not in setting our aim too high and falling short of our mark but to aim too low and achieve our mark. “

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:45

                      Where did you ever get such ideas about what world I prefer ?
                      _______

                      From your speech and your misogyny.

                • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 22:09

                  Why should only women decide ? What about the father. It’s his child too.

                  • TiredOfThemAll June 12th, 2014 at 07:12

                    It’s her body.

                    Unless you want the internal organs of 50% of the population to nationalized and made wards of the state.

  2. Dwendt44 June 10th, 2014 at 12:30

    Just when you think the anti-abortion crowd has sunk to the bottom, some of them show up with a shovel and start digging deeper yet. Geesh.

    • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 07:42

      Without them you may have never been born. It’s easy to be pro abortion after you are born.

      • OldLefty June 11th, 2014 at 07:53

        Without them you may have never been born. It’s easy to be pro abortion after you are born.

        _______

        ????

        And without proper healthcare, or liquor, or a blackout in during a storm, you may have never been born.

        How many people may have never been born, because of the rhythm method?

        So what?

        That is why we are pro choice.

        • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 18:51

          The choice ends with pregnancy. Preventing conception is different than destroying life. It the drunk who gets behind the wheel and kills someone excused because he didn’t really mean to get into an accident? Besides he has driven home lots of times while drunk and never has an accident before.
          Your poor choice to have sex without accepting the very real possibility that your choice of contraception had a chance of failing is like the drunk who strikes a pedestrian on a deserted road late at night and instead of calling for help for the victim backs up and runs him over a few more times to make sure the only witness to the crime can’t file charges.

          • OldLefty June 11th, 2014 at 19:08

            The choice is before 24 weeks. (Except for the life of the mother.)

            There is a reason why they call it a stillborn (birth AND death certificate) after 24 weeks and a miscarriage (NO birth or death certificate) Before 24 weeks.

            • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 19:59

              Why 24 weeks? Who decided?

              • OldLefty June 11th, 2014 at 20:14

                Medicine and the law.

                Should YOU decide for women?

                • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 22:04

                  I don’t think the brain dead mother minds giving birth since she hasn’t a mind any more. It is a shame to ode two people during an accident when one is enough.

                  • OldLefty June 12th, 2014 at 07:13

                    the brain dead mother ?????

                    That’s why it’s not an issue for men.

                    • Justin Volke V June 12th, 2014 at 18:06

                      What is the baby is a girl?

                    • OldLefty June 13th, 2014 at 07:15

                      We are not talking about babies.

                    • Justin Volke V June 13th, 2014 at 11:34

                      Sure we are. They are just not yet born. Or don’t you know where babies come from. Hint: it isn’t a cabbage patch or a stork.

                    • OldLefty June 13th, 2014 at 21:34

                      I know.
                      I work in healthcare.

                      We are talking about fertilized eggs, embryos and fetuses.

                      And the decisions are best made by women.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 01:20

                      Josef mengale worked in medicine too. I work in medicine too. And so do veterinarians. I know a cleaning lady that works in medicine too. She scrubs floors and toilets in our building The difference is that one of us knows we are talking about human embryos and human fetuses. They are living human beings in their most nascent and most vunrable state and deserve the most sensitive of care. The hipocatic oath demanded that a physician may not prescribe an abortifacient and the goal of a physician is to do no harm and whenever possible save the life of both mother and baby. And to save at least one of them if not both whenever possible.

                    • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 02:29

                      but what if the baby is gay. I remember you typed if there was a way to tell the fetus could be aborted if gay

                      LOL type type type and you still look silly

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:32

                      Yes. I did type that as an example of how illogical it is to claim abortion as a right. In china under their one child per family laws women were killing only their unborn daughters. Talk about a war on woman. Image those few daughters that wind up making it and outnumbered by men. Do you think rape will be more or less likely when there aren’t enough women available?
                      Killing babies before their born for the crimes of the parents is always wrong no matter the reason. Legality is just the temporary whims of a majority or the opinion of a group of men in black robes that can change. Slavery was legal in this country even by a Supreme Court. It was always wrong. Just as is abortion. And now China is changing its policy realizing the impending demographic disaster that abortion for personal preference leads. It is isn’t a fifth but only a temporary privelege extended until it becomes abused.

                    • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 15:30

                      no you typed that as a way to bash gays

                      you still look silly

                      and you lose again

                      you arent very good at this are you

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:41

                      Still with as hominem attacks ? Still can’t offer any logical argument to support your claims? As I said liberalism is mired in feelings and emotions. The same act is either right or wrong based on the arbitrary and capricious mental state of the decision maker at that time. Ends always justify the means. Bad laws capable of allowing hate crimes of the murder of unborn babies because they are gay cannot be a mothers “right” can it? Do you think that the GLBTQ crowd would stand for the mass genocide should it begin?

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:56

                      Most of the pro choice arguments are based on facts.

                      I would certainly seem that YOUR’S are the emotional arguments based solely upon the the way you WISH things could be while ignoring every other factor involved in the issue.

                      Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 10:28

                      If true then you are the pot calling the kettle black.

                      An unborn human life starts at conception. Every single one of the 100 billion human beings ever born began life at that moment. That is a biological fact completely divorced from emotion. Whether or not it has value is where you allow your emotions to cloud the issue.

                      If I got a woman pregnant I would be man enough to own up to that and accept responsibility for raising that child. Wanted or not. Removing that choice or obligation claiming I have no say does not reduce the intrinsic fact that a new life has been created that could not have been without the sexual coupling that preceded it. Responsibility for actions must be universal or they are no longer responsibilities for anyone. Women who abandon children or drown them in bathtubs because they got to be too much to care for should be left alone and we should not call it murder. Because in your world of emotions only the mother can assign any value to human life and can change her mind at any time.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:43

                      Btw. Silly is a personal emotional opinion. It isn’t fact. What looks silly to one person doesn’t make it wrong to someone else.

                    • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 15:29

                      btw way to avoid the content of the post

                      u lose

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:38

                      Josef mengale worked in medicine too.

                      _________

                      And the Taliban don’t allow abortions either.

                      We know the difference between the potential person and the actual person.

                      And with better knowledge today, most physicians know that often abortion is the route of less harm.

                      I have given you several examples of common practices that harm actual children.
                      Also, fertility clinics dispose of fertilized eggs in petrie dishes all the time.
                      We enjoy the cheap labor from countries who engage in forced abortions all the time.
                      Boys make “choices” to engage in certain activity that results in pregnancy all the time, and walk away, often to to take advantage of scholarships, all the time, (perhaps DNA testing and an ankle bracelet, or if the father is a married man, his family accounts should be tapped).

                      Perhaps if your concern is more than hollow, sanctimonious busybody-ness , you could work to ameliorate some of these issues, instead of only being interested in inserting yourself into the womb.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 12:29

                      Abortion is never the safest choice for the baby. It’s just dead and dismembered as if done after birth.
                      Arguing over whether natural childbirth or abortion is safer for mom is like arguing whether beheading or hanging is less likely to cause carpal tunnel syndrome for the executioner.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 12:40

                      I am not talking about babies.
                      I am talking about women.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:11

                      So you see no distinction between a woman and an expectant mother with child? Nine months hence one group will be double the size of the other. So I am not talking about babies I am talking about both.
                      Getting back to the story. If this mothers last words were “if you can’t save us both save my baby” would you have more respect for her than if she said ” f’. the baby just save me”?

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:16

                      So you see no distinction between a woman and an expectant mother with child?

                      ______

                      Women and girls are women and girls.

                      That is all here is to it.

                      Each woman has the right to make her own choice, but I believe it would be a very different story if men got pregnant.

                      Abortion would be available at the drive thru.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:30

                      You can believe it would be different if men could get pregnant but that is sheer fantasy. If men could get pregnant they wouldn’t be men they would be women. Arguing about improbable situations sometimes has merit. But arguing over the impossible is living in a denial of reality and a waste of time and serves no purpose.

                      Unless you want to redefine the definition of man and woman to fit your argument. But you must allow the other side similar latitude to redefine the meaning of words. But a rose by any other name…..

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:35

                      You can believe it would be different if men could get pregnant but that is sheer fantasy.

                      ______

                      It is making a point about the rank hypocrisy of men who think they should insert themselves in the business of others.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:58

                      Or is it the other way around? Women give their autonomy to decide when they allow men to insert their sexual organ into hers.
                      Like it or not only the female of our species can bear children even though both are required. Men can sire children as often as they can ejaculate with as many women as they can find. Women can only bear once every 9 months. Yet the ratio of men to women is close to unity. The only thing keeping humanity from returning to rutting elk herds and the collapse of civilization is limiting men to only one mate. Abortion drives a wedge in any hope of limiting our animal instincts and to cooperate in the raising of our offspring.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 14:23

                      Or is it the other way around? Women give their autonomy to decide when they allow men to insert their sexual organ into hers.

                      _______

                      1) No they don’t , whether or not they allow anything.

                      Because it is THEIR body, I would sat that it is MEN who give up THEIR autonomy to decide when they insert THEIR sexual organ into hers.

                      2) Women really don’t need men anymore. They only need sperm, that they can get from sperm banks.

                      And like it or not, men require a government, to be certain any child is theirs, and any woman can abort ( even spontaneously ) without the man even knowing any pregnancy occurred.

                      Contraception and abortion rights is the difference between us and the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan.

                      Again, especially the more I talk to you, the more I trust women to make their own decisions.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 01:25

                      If decisions are best made by women how did she wind up pregnant and brain dead? Sounds more like women are just as capable of making the poorest decisions and driven by emotions instead of facts logic and reasoned thought. Perfect liberals.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:21

                      “If decisions are best made by women how did she wind up pregnant and brain dead?”

                      ________

                      What are you talking about????

                      What does one of these have to do with the other??

                      Some women get raped.

                      Sometimes contraception doesn’t work.

                      Some girls get raped by their daddies or their uncles.

                      Some married women are put under pressure by husbands who don’t care about the consequences.

                      Some women are just careless.

                      Some women make a mistake with a man who is unwilling to share in any of the consequences.

                      Some women tried mightily to get pregnant but suffer with epidermolysis bullose, lethal acantholytic, lethal osteogenesis imperfecta, holoprosencephaly (a condition where there is no brain) uterine cancers, preeclampsia, ruptured endometrium….

                      Most will do what they have to do, it is only a matter of whether it legal and safe or illegal and deadly.

                      Point is…. YOU don’t get to decide for them.
                      Sounds like you are operating more from an emotional hatred of women than by facts.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:23

                      Some….. Some…… Some…… Yadyyadadad….
                      The exception to the rule doesn’t negate the rule. With all those risks why conceive a child. Ever ? Why did your mom and dad risk all those lethal birth defects and complications of pregnancy just to have a child that denies the reason for her very existence? Why not just slap your parents in the face and scream that you wished you’d never been born? It would at least give your arguments some credibility. But I am sure your parents loved you very much inspire of your selfishness.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:30

                      With all those risks why conceive a child.

                      _______

                      These are all emotional strawman arguments and ignore the facts as we find them.

                      And I am sure that YOUR mother loved YOU very much inspite of YOU selfishness and hatred of women.

                      Funny, that I only knew 3 people who had an abortions;
                      1…non political

                      2… Wealthy checkbook Republican.

                      3) ….Daughter of a man who’s car was covered with anti choice “Choose life” bumper stickers, who changed his mind when something happened to HIS daughter, in college.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 07:48

                      If decisions are best made by women how did she wind up pregnant and brain dead?

                      ______

                      She should allow the decisions be made by the men who’s poorest decisions, driven by emotions were equally and most often more responsible for her state.

                      Perfect conservatives.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 10:35

                      Sorry but as much as I might wish to put a woman into a state of pregnancy without raping her the decision to get pregnant is a decision both make equally when they decide to have sex. Both know the risk that whatever contraceptive method they choose is not 100% effective so the responsibity for the consequences should be just as equally shared.
                      All sorts of social ills are the result of trying to separate actions from consequences.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 10:52

                      Some women DON’T decide to have sex.

                      Some woman do with goal of becoming pregnant, (then things go horribly wrong).

                      Some women make mistakes.

                      Some women want to please their husbands.

                      It’s none of your business or the state’s business.

                      Women will always , and HAVE always done what they have to do, and the anti choice laws only dictate that those with money have safe choices and those that don’t will resort to unsafe choices.

                      Again, get back to me when you care as much about the born, otherwise it all rings hollow, phony and sanctimonious.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 12:47

                      Babies should never need the protection of government in a loving and committed marriage. Natural instinct of parents is to protect their children at all costs even if it means loss of their own life.
                      But when that protective instinct is abandoned or intentionally ignored who is there to protect the innocent baby who didn’t do anything to deserve dismemberment or a Gosnelian mini-guillotine.

                      I volunteer at a shelter for battered women with children. I donate to catholic charities who offer adoption services for the unwanted child. So I guess I can get back to you after all. But an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Spreading our donations out so thinly when the solution is free and 100% effective birth control by saying no and men respecting that no means no is frustrating. That is where women’s right to choose should be applied. Burying people struck and killed by drunk drivers
                      Is not the best place to intervene. Not getting drunk and getting behind the wheel is free. All it takes is for a little personal responsibility and self denial to drink until you get home.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:11

                      Babies should never need the protection of government in a loving and committed marriage

                      ______

                      Don’t be silly this has nothing to do with any of that.

                      EVERYONE works or volunteers at facilities that confirm their views.

                      You seem to con fuse the world as you wish it were with the world as it is.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:17

                      Et Tu Brute?

                      But my world has a future that lasts more than a generation. Your world is designed to destroy the next generation as long as you gain a temporary benefit.

                      That is the world as it is. You choose to destroy it and I choose to secure it.

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:23

                      But my world has a future that lasts more than a generatio

                      _______
                      Don’t be such a drama queen.
                      So do ALL of our worlds.

                      Nothing has changed over the centuries except the safety.

                      It is YOUR world that would prefer to see girls and women dead, or beaten or impoverished, and actual infants and children sick, starving and abused.

                      You know what they say; “Love the fetus, Hate the child”.

                    • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 13:41

                      Where did you ever get such ideas about what world I prefer ? Surely not from what I have posted. It is your delusional imagination that seems bent on conflagration rather than distillation.
                      I prefer a world where man respect and honor women and do not abuse them with sexual relations without responsibility or commitment to be a responsible provider no matter how rough the going gets. And to show that in advance of sex by offering to marry her first.
                      While not perfectly achievable in a sex obsessed world, as Michelangelo observed: ” the danger for most of us is not in setting our aim too high and falling short of our mark but to aim too low and achieve our mark. “

                    • OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:45

                      Where did you ever get such ideas about what world I prefer ?
                      _______

                      From your speech and your misogyny.

                • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 22:09

                  Why should only women decide ? What about the father. It’s his child too.

                  • OldLefty June 12th, 2014 at 07:12

                    It’s her body.

                    Unless you want the internal organs of 50% of the population to nationalized and made wards of the state.

  3. granpa.usthai June 10th, 2014 at 13:26

    Republicans has always been for the individual freedom of “OBEY MIT OUT QUESTION” (whither you like it or not). Nothing says freedom like BLIND OBEDIENCE – ‘specially when you throw in forced religion.

    PS: correct Medical terminology backed by Biblical passages is FETUS. They become a baby when they have the ‘breath of life’ – kinda like extending rites to a corpse being buried where the state decrees (whither you like it or not).

    • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 07:41

      A corpse is dead. A human being in utero is alive and every living human being goes through this phase of development in order to take its first breath. Even you were alive when you were a fetus. It’s obvious that your mother must have thought so as well. Otherwise you would have been only a choice cast into the biohazard bag at the abortion clinic and of no value to anyone.

  4. granpa.usthai June 10th, 2014 at 13:26

    Republicans has always been for the individual freedom of “OBEY MIT OUT QUESTION” (whither you like it or not). Nothing says freedom like BLIND OBEDIENCE – ‘specially when you throw in forced religion.

    PS: correct Medical terminology backed by Biblical passages is FETUS. They become a baby when they have the ‘breath of life’ – kinda like extending rites to a corpse being buried where the state decrees (whither you like it or not).

    • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 07:41

      A corpse is dead. A human being in utero is alive and every living human being goes through this phase of development in order to take its first breath. Even you were alive when you were a fetus. It’s obvious that your mother must have thought so as well. Otherwise you would have been only a choice cast into the biohazard bag at the abortion clinic and of no value to anyone.

  5. VALERIE MARTIN June 10th, 2014 at 15:08

    Here we GO!
    Republicans talkin’ outa both sides of
    their mouths.

    Position #1: Government is TOO BIG.
    Too intrusive!
    We want Big Government OUT of our
    lives!
    Position #2: Ladies, Gentlemen, Families,
    Everyone, YOU are NOT capable of making
    decisions for yourselves. You NEED the Government
    to make life & death decisions for you. YOU cannot
    be trusted to make such important decisions for
    yourself!

  6. WILLDYE4U June 10th, 2014 at 15:08

    Here we GO!
    Republicans talkin’ outa both sides of
    their mouths.

    Position #1: Government is TOO BIG.
    Too intrusive!
    We want Big Government OUT of our
    lives!
    Position #2: Ladies, Gentlemen, Families,
    Everyone, YOU are NOT capable of making
    decisions for yourselves. You NEED the Government
    to make life & death decisions for you. YOU cannot
    be trusted to make such important decisions for
    yourself!

  7. cecilia June 10th, 2014 at 18:43

    more proof that the gop thinks women are nothing but incubators.

    • Justin Volke V June 10th, 2014 at 21:10

      What a demeaning vile statement. Mothers hold the key to our very survival. If every woman chose abortion we would become extinct as a species within 59 years. Men cannot bear children. I wonder if the babies who are given life grow up hating their mother for not letting them die along with her.

      • cecilia June 10th, 2014 at 22:37

        so women have to give birth so YOU can feel good??

        Thank you for making my point for me.

        btw, with 7 BILLION people on this planet it would take a lot longer for the species to become extinct. Of course, we may become extinct just by ignoring Climate Change and killing ourselves anyway.

        • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 02:40

          It has nothing to so with my feeling good or feeling anything. It is biology.

          If every woman on the planet decided to exercise her ” right to an abortion ” for 59 years there would be no women left of child bearing age. It is like having the last living dodo bird left in the last zoo but it is too old to lay eggs even if a sperm bank has all the sperm necessary to rebuild the population. The extinction is de jure long before it is de facto.
          But long before that the economies of all countries would have collapsed. Beginning with school teachers and day care centers. Then high schools and collages. Then all the consumer manufacturing jobs. Governments would bankrupt at all levels as fewer and fewer workers enter the workforce to pay taxes to support the elderly much less take care of them. You are blinded by your short sighted ness and incapacity to see beyond your myopic indoctrination that abortion is a right. It is merely a temporary price ledge we extend only as long as society as a whole is fecund and populations in a nation remain stable. Global warming even if it exists is never to happen under the above scenario to cause extinction as the carbon footprint shrinks with the population.
          But abortion would be outlawed by all counties long before my above scenario went more than two years or so. Every abortion requires some other woman to have two children to make up for the selfishness of the reluctant mother who is so callous as to kill her own posterity.

          • fahvel June 11th, 2014 at 03:01

            so?????? you throw numbers about but can you give any reason other than selfishness for the continued existence of the homo sapiens?

          • cecilia June 11th, 2014 at 19:09

            I hate to break the news to you, buddy, but women HAVE been trying to attempt birth control and abortion ever since there has been women.

            It won’t stop just because you are afraid of women having control over their lives.

            And women don’t WANT to have abortions. It’s not fun. It will never be fun. It’s done because women HAVE to.

            And it’s not that some women don’t want children. It’s that they want children WHEN they are ready for them.

            And some of us don’t EVER want children. And, guess what, buddy….that’s MY choice and it will never be your choice.

            • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 19:30

              You mean to say that 1 million pregnant women every year HAVE TO have an abortion? And you say they don’t want to have abortions. But apparently they want the sex. Such selfishness to trade a human life for a few minutes of personal sexual pleasure.
              If women aren’t ready for children then tell the men to stay the hell away. Wouldn’t that be a better choice?

              • cecilia June 11th, 2014 at 20:45

                I love the way you simplemindedly judge these situations without ONE iota of what is really going on.

                Some of these situations are couples – married – who have a couple of children already and that’s all they can afford. They use contraception but sometimes it fails.

                having another child puts their already living children at risk. These couples haven’t been irresponsible at all. But they find themselves in a really difficult situation. And there’s just no way I would EVER tell such a couple what to do about it.

                The fact that YOU think you can – is the height of egotism.

                What you REALLY want to do is shame women because they can have sex. Well, get over it.

      • fahvel June 11th, 2014 at 02:59

        59, 58, 57, 56, …………..what other life forms would miss one extinction?

      • Anomaly 100 June 13th, 2014 at 11:42

        It’s not your body to decide what women do with their wombs.

        • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 01:36

          But an unborn baby is not a uterus. It’s a unique and complete human being and you were once a fetus too. Your mom and dad made you together.

          • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 02:25

            but a zygote isnt a baby it cant survive outside the womb

            • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:21

              A full term baby cannot survive outside the womb either. We aren’t sea turtles or salmon.
              A mother who wraps her newborn in a plastic bag to suffocate and throws it in a dumpster is charged with murder. Why is a few minutes earlier somehow a choice?

              We create zygotes during IVF and then freeze them for years and thaw them and implant them in someone other than the biological mother and they are born perfectly health. Your definition of viability is as old as the science available when Roe v Wade was decided. If presented before a modern SCOTUS the science would demand they come to a different conclusion.
              As for mom claiming its part of her body that’s not biologically supported by the facts either. Implant a zygote under the skin and the mothers own immune system will recognize it as a foreign invader and destroy it cell by cell.

          • Anomaly 100 June 14th, 2014 at 08:47

            But it’s not a baby and if it’s in my body it’s none of your business.

            • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 10:17

              It is a baby and it’s there because you and the father made it. It’s just as much his baby. If you didn’t want a baby in your body fine. But that choice requires keeping father out of your body.

              If you insist on keeping fathers out of whether or not you can kill his child, you cannot require him to provide for it after it’s born. That’s why so many babies are born into fatherless households. If it’s your choice and not both parents baby the father can just walk away. and abortion penalized babies that are born too by creating a culture of acceptable death to babies for the convenience of it.
              It is a joke for women to demand respect of their bodies when they have no respect for the life within that same body and half of those are other women.

              • Anomaly 100 June 14th, 2014 at 10:32

                It’s actually none of your business. Pro-birthers are so inconsiderate of victims of rape. You so know that sometimes the ‘father’ is a rapist, right?

              • MorganLaFay June 14th, 2014 at 10:44

                It is a baby

                ______

                That is your opinion, and you should never have an abortion.

                You are also free to work towards everything that makes the need for abortion more rare.

                You should work towards better and more easily accessible birth control.

                You should work towards tracking down fathers and holding them accountable, long before you want the state to confiscate internal organs.

                You should work towards ending forced abortion in nations that are our trading partners.

                You should work towards saving the “babies” in petrie dishes.

                You should work towards environmental controls that would reduce harm to viable fetuses.

                You can say that both people share responsibility for conception (if it was consensual), but there is no equivalency to what happens in the woman’s body.

                It’s a joke for male conservatives to expect respect for a zygote when they have no respect for the born.

  8. cecilia June 10th, 2014 at 18:43

    more proof that the gop thinks women are nothing but incubators.

    • Justin Volke V June 10th, 2014 at 21:10

      What a demeaning vile statement. Mothers hold the key to our very survival. If every woman chose abortion we would become extinct as a species within 59 years. Men cannot bear children. I wonder if the babies who are given life grow up hating their mother for not letting them die along with her.

      • cecilia June 10th, 2014 at 22:37

        so women have to give birth so YOU can feel good??

        Thank you for making my point for me.

        btw, with 7 BILLION people on this planet it would take a lot longer for the species to become extinct. Of course, we may become extinct just by ignoring Climate Change and killing ourselves anyway.

        • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 02:40

          It has nothing to so with my feeling good or feeling anything. It is biology.

          If every woman on the planet decided to exercise her ” right to an abortion ” for 59 years there would be no women left of child bearing age. It is like having the last living dodo bird left in the last zoo but it is too old to lay eggs even if a sperm bank has all the sperm necessary to rebuild the population. The extinction is de jure long before it is de facto.
          But long before that the economies of all countries would have collapsed. Beginning with school teachers and day care centers. Then high schools and collages. Then all the consumer manufacturing jobs. Governments would bankrupt at all levels as fewer and fewer workers enter the workforce to pay taxes to support the elderly much less take care of them. You are blinded by your short sighted ness and incapacity to see beyond your myopic indoctrination that abortion is a right. It is merely a temporary price ledge we extend only as long as society as a whole is fecund and populations in a nation remain stable. Global warming even if it exists is never to happen under the above scenario to cause extinction as the carbon footprint shrinks with the population.
          But abortion would be outlawed by all counties long before my above scenario went more than two years or so. Every abortion requires some other woman to have two children to make up for the selfishness of the reluctant mother who is so callous as to kill her own posterity.

          • fahvel June 11th, 2014 at 03:01

            so?????? you throw numbers about but can you give any reason other than selfishness for the continued existence of the homo sapiens?

            • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 07:36

              Life is priceless when it’s your own. But civilization is only possible when people accept that others lives are of equal value and that their children are more important still.
              Our country is doomed when we abandon the principles set forth in the preamble of the constitution and demand the preservation of ourselves at the expense of our Posterity. It appears you support our nations destruction as long as it happens after you are gone.

          • cecilia June 11th, 2014 at 19:09

            I hate to break the news to you, buddy, but women HAVE been trying to attempt birth control and abortion ever since there has been women.

            It won’t stop just because you are afraid of women having control over their lives.

            And women don’t WANT to have abortions. It’s not fun. It will never be fun. It’s done because women HAVE to.

            And it’s not that some women don’t want children. It’s that they want children WHEN they are ready for them.

            And some of us don’t EVER want children. And, guess what, buddy….that’s MY choice and it will never be your choice.

            • Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 19:30

              You mean to say that 1 million pregnant women every year HAVE TO have an abortion? And you say they don’t want to have abortions. But apparently they want the sex. Such selfishness to trade a human life for a few minutes of personal sexual pleasure.
              If women aren’t ready for children then tell the men to stay the hell away. Wouldn’t that be a better choice?

              • cecilia June 11th, 2014 at 20:45

                I love the way you simplemindedly judge these situations without ONE iota of what is really going on.

                Some of these situations are couples – married – who have a couple of children already and that’s all they can afford. They use contraception but sometimes it fails.

                having another child puts their already living children at risk. These couples haven’t been irresponsible at all. But they find themselves in a really difficult situation. And there’s just no way I would EVER tell such a couple what to do about it.

                The fact that YOU think you can – is the height of egotism.

                What you REALLY want to do is shame women because they can have sex. Well, get over it.

      • fahvel June 11th, 2014 at 02:59

        59, 58, 57, 56, …………..what other life forms would miss one extinction?

      • Anomaly 100 June 13th, 2014 at 11:42

        It’s not your body to decide what women do with their wombs.

        • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 01:36

          But an unborn baby is not a uterus. It’s a unique and complete human being and you were once a fetus too. Your mom and dad made you together.

          • Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 02:25

            but a zygote isnt a baby it cant survive outside the womb

            • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 07:21

              A full term baby cannot survive outside the womb either. We aren’t sea turtles or salmon.
              A mother who wraps her newborn in a plastic bag to suffocate and throws it in a dumpster is charged with murder. Why is a few minutes earlier somehow a choice?

              We create zygotes during IVF and then freeze them for years and thaw them and implant them in someone other than the biological mother and they are born perfectly health. Your definition of viability is as old as the science available when Roe v Wade was decided. If presented before a modern SCOTUS the science would demand they come to a different conclusion.
              As for mom claiming its part of her body that’s not biologically supported by the facts either. Implant a zygote under the skin and the mothers own immune system will recognize it as a foreign invader and destroy it cell by cell.

          • Anomaly 100 June 14th, 2014 at 08:47

            But it’s not a baby and if it’s in my body it’s none of your business.

            • Justin Volke V June 14th, 2014 at 10:17

              It is a baby and it’s there because you and the father made it. It’s just as much his baby. If you didn’t want a baby in your body fine. But that choice requires keeping father out of your body.

              If you insist on keeping fathers out of whether or not you can kill his child, you cannot require him to provide for it after it’s born. That’s why so many babies are born into fatherless households. If it’s your choice and not both parents baby the father can just walk away. and abortion penalized babies that are born too by creating a culture of acceptable death to babies for the convenience of it.
              It is a joke for women to demand respect of their bodies when they have no respect for the life within that same body and half of those are other women.

              • Anomaly 100 June 14th, 2014 at 10:32

                It’s actually none of your business. Pro-birthers are so inconsiderate of victims of rape. You so know that sometimes the ‘father’ is a rapist, right?

              • MorganLaFay June 14th, 2014 at 10:44

                It is a baby

                ______

                That is your opinion, and you should never have an abortion.

                You are also free to work towards everything that makes the need for abortion more rare.

                You should work towards better and more easily accessible birth control.

                You should work towards tracking down fathers and holding them accountable, long before you want the state to confiscate internal organs.

                You should work towards ending forced abortion in nations that are our trading partners.

                You should work towards saving the “babies” in petrie dishes.

                You should work towards environmental controls that would reduce harm to viable fetuses.

                You can say that both people share responsibility for conception (if it was consensual), but there is no equivalency to what happens in the woman’s body.

                It’s a joke for male conservatives to expect respect for a zygote when they have no respect for the born.

  9. Justin Volke V June 10th, 2014 at 21:06

    Sounds reasonable to me. Mom gets to give life even after she is dead. It’s the greatest miracle any mother can give.
    Because she has the right to choose and wasn’t on the way to an abortion clinic when the accident happened we must assume she chose life for her child. No one else has any right to force her into another choice.

  10. Justin Volke V June 10th, 2014 at 21:06

    Sounds reasonable to me. Mom gets to give life even after she is dead. It’s the greatest miracle any mother can give.
    Because she has the right to choose and wasn’t on the way to an abortion clinic when the accident happened we must assume she chose life for her child. No one else has any right to force her into another choice.

  11. TiredOfThemAll June 10th, 2014 at 21:25

    It should up to her family or herself, if she had a living will.

  12. OldLefty June 10th, 2014 at 21:25

    It should up to her family or herself, if she had a living will.

  13. Obewon June 10th, 2014 at 21:48

    SCOTUS ruled last century any fetus must be 26-28 weeks old to gain Jindal’s illegal mandate. No Fetus survives earlier than 24+ weeks today without very short life expectancy and severely torturing brain damage. (Preemptively anti-choicers earlier claims are delusional.)

  14. Obewon June 10th, 2014 at 21:48

    SCOTUS ruled last century any fetus must be 24-28 weeks old to gain Jindal’s illegal mandate. No Fetus survives earlier than 24+ weeks today without very short life expectancy and severely torturing brain damage. (Preemptively anti-choicers earlier claims are delusional.)

  15. Justin Volke V June 11th, 2014 at 07:36

    Life is priceless when it’s your own. But civilization is only possible when people accept that others lives are of equal value and that their children are more important still.
    Our country is doomed when we abandon the principles set forth in the preamble of the constitution and demand the preservation of ourselves at the expense of our Posterity. It appears you support our nations destruction as long as it happens after you are gone.

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