Black men three times as likely to die from police use of force: Study

Posted by | December 21, 2016 10:48 | Filed under: News Behaving Badly Politics

Black men continue to die at the hands of the police.

Now, as the year comes to an end, a new study reveals disturbing data on how much of a racial disparity there may be in police use of force, or as researchers call it, “legal intervention.”

Black men are nearly three times as likely to be killed by legal intervention than white men, according to the study, which was published in the American Journal of Public Health on Tuesday. American Indians or Alaska Natives also are nearly three times as likely and Hispanic men are nearly twice as likely, the study suggests.

“It affirms that this disparity exists,” said Dr. James Buehler, clinical professor of health management and policy at Drexel University in Philadelphia, who authored the study.

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29 responses to Black men three times as likely to die from police use of force: Study

  1. amongoose December 21st, 2016 at 11:22

    And crime statistics show that most blacks killed are killed by other blacks, most in urban settings, isn’t that a little bigger problem?
    One that maybe needs to be addressed.

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

    • Lyndia December 21st, 2016 at 20:51

      Stooge three. Note: Stooge one and three, are the same.

  2. jayseedub December 21st, 2016 at 12:14

    Are blacks nearly three times as likely to encounter the police as whites? Or do they come into contact with the police more or less often than that?

    Answering that question is a part of the consideration when deciding if the statistical disparity is substantive as it relates to discrimination or actual inequitable treatment by police to various groups.

    On its own, as presented at this website, the quote from the study is needlessly inflammatory and insufficiently supported by other facts and considerations. It would be more useful to provide greater depth, and a more open mind to it.

    Shame.

    • bpollen December 26th, 2016 at 00:47

      Another person that doesn’t understand RATIO. It’s death PER encounter that is being addressed. So total number of encounter, and the LIKELIHOOD of an encounter, HAVE NO BEARING!

      That’s like saying that you are being paid 3 times as much per hour because you are working 3 times as many hours.

  3. Red Eye Robot December 21st, 2016 at 12:18

    Black men were also 6X as likely as whites to commit murder.

    • Lyndia December 21st, 2016 at 20:50

      Stooge two.

    • amongoose December 22nd, 2016 at 09:10

      In total numbers yes.
      But a for a comparison simply on numbers to be accurate the population numbers would have to be equal.
      The murder rate for blacks is 33 per 100,000 population, compared to 4.7 for every 100,000 Whites and Hispanics (added together) in the reports. The Hispanic homicide rate is 5.73 per 100,000. The homicide rate for whites was 2.52 per 100,000. 5.76:1 more than Hispanics, and 13.09:1 more than Whites.

      http://www.vpc.org/studies/hispanic.pdf

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-hispanics_b_5309973.html

      Why is there such a disproportional rate? There has to be a reason for it, why isn’t that being discussed? It seems to be a bigger threat to blacks than their being killed by police, which are one-tenth of the total black murders.

      http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

      All races
      Whites
      Blacks
      Murder and Nonnegligent Manslaughter
      10,351
      4,955
      5,138
      Forcible Rape
      15,571
      10,038
      5,030
      Robbery
      82,189
      38,041
      42,460
      Aggravated Assault
      352,017
      223,426
      116,984
      Total
      460,128
      276,460
      169,612
      Percent
      100%
      60.1%
      36.9%
      Population
      240.165 million
      192.319 million
      30.971 million
      https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/VIOCRM.PDF

      • bpollen December 22nd, 2016 at 15:43

        So, my point is valid, but you think that it doesn’t matter. You bring up black on black crime; that’s relevant. White on white crime? Irrelevant.

        Nice double standard.

        “So how do we address these socioeconomic disparities?”

        According to you, we need to address black on black crime before we can deal with the fact that SOCIOECONOMICS has a greater impact on crime rates than race. You ask for solutions from me for the socioeconomic correlation to crime? Rich, considering that you get all verklempt over black on black crime, offer no solutions, suggest that Black on Black Crime must be addressed before even admitting institutional racism.

        “rap culture”

        Gee, I don’t know about you, but I am aware of enough history to remember both historical (pre-me) and during my lifetime attempts by white people to place all sorts of social ills at the foot of black music – I lived through people railing against the pernicious influence and cultural negative of rock and roll and blues and jazz, and I can point out historical examples of Nazis calling Jazz and Swing styles of music Negermusik because black people were big participants in the genre and the Nazis decried this degenerate-sourced music.. So, to sum up, you join a long line of racist attitudes toward “black music.”

        You think white violence is of no consequence, you have a real problem with blacks in schools, you think ‘black on black crime” is of paramount importance but institutional racism? Not so much. You think that rap music is degenerate, just like racist nazis and racists felt about other types of music blacks engaged in

        The more you talk on the subject, the more racist you sound.

        Stooge³

        • amongoose December 22nd, 2016 at 22:18

          Black on black crime is part of it, did you read the rest? There must be other things done as well, like education. Many in the minority community don’t value it, how do you change that? Until that happens there can’t be very many opportunities available, if you don’t have the needed skills your unemployable.
          .
          Are you saying that culture is irrelevant to the problem? Seems the only problems you can see are caused by whites. And is all criticism of someone of color racism? Where does personal responsibility come into play? At some point a people have to take responsibility for their own actions and lives to move ahead and on.
          .
          I think your the racist, you seem to think they can’t do any better, I think they can. But it takes facing the problem to fix it. You are only willing to look at a part of it and blame everything on that.
          Degenerate music? I said is was reflective of the culture.
          If you listen to the lyrics you will hear a lot of pain, and hate in much of it.
          .
          I have a problem with anyone disrupting a school classroom keeping others from learning, or murdering someone else, anyone else. I see it all as wrong no matter who commits it, and I think those like the S.C. Church shooter are a great argument for bringing back the death penalty.
          .
          You say the socio-economic disparity causing crime.
          So you think my ideas of personal responsibility, valuing education, reducing crime, and that the solid family structure is needed and essential for a community to do better is racist.
          .
          What are your solutions to handle the socioeconomic disparity?
          How do we help those who are at the lower end of the economic totem pole climb it?

          • bpollen December 23rd, 2016 at 03:00

            In a homage to Jeff Foxworthy, that Chronicler of Contemporary Southern Culture, I present you wiith “You might be a racist” #46, 47, and 48:

            46) If you bring up black-on-black crime during a discussion on institutional racism in the LEO community.

            47) If you preface a racist statement with “I’m not a racist, but…”

            48) If you equate black music with the putative degeneracy in black culture.

            Bonus:

            49) If you tell blacks YOU know what they need to do to be “good” negros.

            • amongoose December 23rd, 2016 at 10:40

              You might be a liberal if ……..

              You think a high crime rate does not, or should not result in a higher incidence of police contact.

              Having an issue to demagogue is more important than finding a solution to the problem.

              You think only white folks can be racists

              Francis

              • bpollen December 24th, 2016 at 02:02

                So, to sum up, you are a racist and I am a liberal. I’m strangely OK with that.

                Then you devolve into strawman arguments. My saying that the relevance of black on black crime to institutionalized discrimination within the LEO community is nil does not lead to the conclusions you draw. Putting words into my mouth rather than deal with what I say.

                If black on black crime is relevant to LEO discrimination, it could only be in the context of that crime being the CAUSE of that discrimination. The VICTIM is responsible for that victimhood. That the LEOs are powerless in this situation, and the VICTIMS hold the power. That, as our friends across the big eastern water might say, is bollocks.

                Another milieu that we find that argument is with domestic abusers. “She made me hit her. I done tole her to wash them damn dishes once!” The victim of domestic abuse causes her abuse. Bollocks again.

                We have more! Another milieu – rape and rape apologists. “She shouldn’t have worn that dress.” “She shouldn’t have gotten in his car.” “She never should have gone out alone.” In a word… bollocks.

                Shall we expand? Another milieu – pedophilia! “She seduced me!” Need I say it? Bollocks!

                I’ve got a thought experiment for you to see if you can understand how well that logic flies in the real world. Tell your wife /girlfriend /husband/ boyfriend that you HAVE to sleep with that girl/boy at work, you just can’t help it. They’re so HOT!!! You are powerless!!! Think it’ll fly?

                “You think only white folks can be racists”

                I think only white people can be racists? Bollocks. Not only untrue, but based on assumptions with no tangible evidence in support. You know who uses this argument? White racists who don’t like to be called on their racism. When have I EVER said that ANY race was the SOLE source of ANY human failing? It’s not ME that thinks that behavior is race-based, that victims are the ones with the REAL power…

                “Having an issue to demagogue is more important than finding a solution to the problem.”

                Yeah, blaming the victim is REALLY trying to find the solution. You see more believable concern coming from the average soap opera – real live genuine faux concern.

                • amongoose December 25th, 2016 at 16:39

                  I’ve given you my solution to the number of blacks shot by police, reduce the crime rate in the black community.
                  .
                  What is your solution to the problem?
                  .
                  And what that I have said is supportive of your contention that I am a racist?

                  • whatthe46 December 25th, 2016 at 16:58

                    a police shooting an unarmed and an innocent black child or adult, has nothing to do with black on black crime or the crime rate. it has to do with the attitudes of people like you. outright racism. black men are given longer prison sentences for non-violent crimes where their white counterparts are given no time for violent crimes. and you wonder why there are so many single black mothers. in which case murdering their husbands/father of their children also makes it difficult for these single mothers. and your racist-in-chief wants to raise the taxes on single parents, and get rid of the head of household deductions, which will have more single parents apply for some form of assistance. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/050c53b59597ee37978adb1b52cd5e75920cbb4bdc2275d0fa2fd8d814e8e70e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f073cbe6d36386e24010fc52909ba94d42c1be56878a7eb25b378483095203e.jpg
                    and it’s assholes like the idiot below who voted against her own best interest because surely whatever tRump was going to do, it would only affect black people right?

                  • bpollen December 25th, 2016 at 17:13

                    You gave me your “solution” to a problem that was NOT the subject of conversation. You gave your idea of what the “blacks” can do to fix things. I am sure that black culture is just beside themselves with gratitude that the some random cracker gave them advice on how to fix any problems you might have.

                    You bring up black-on-black crime in a discussion about something ENTIRELY different, a subject that has NO bearing and NO impact on the subject at hand. You lie, you put words in my mouth (strawman arguments,) you tell me what I think… all so you can attack blacks via a non-sequitur.

                    My solution to the problem? Well, gee, first off I would say crackers shouldn’t be whitesplanin’ to blacks on what’s wrong with blacks. Another solution is to bring to task racists who choose to attack blacks on UNRELATED SUBJECTS, and get incensed when the off-topic point is called out. Point out to people that “RATE OF DEATH” by LEOs is NOT the same as “NUMBER OF INTERACTIONS” with LEOs. I

                    • amongoose December 25th, 2016 at 19:52

                      So what is your solution to the problem?

                    • bpollen December 25th, 2016 at 21:31

                      Which problem? The one that the article is about, or the one that YOU whitesplained? The PERTINENT one or the IRRELEVANT one?

                      Should I be like you and offer solutions for problems OTHER than the one under discussion? How would *I* solve unrelated issues? Why, making sure my tires are inflated to the recommended level! Make sure my campfires are fully extinguished! Give a hoot – don’t pollute!

                      Can’t refute the racism inherent in your non-sequitur, so ask me for my solution to your non-sequitur? You won’t even show me your math on how VOLUME changes RATES. How, say, a 50% failure rate with 100 items becomes a different number if we talk about 200 items EVEN THOUGH HALF FAIL! Is the rate of failure different if 50 out of 100 fail as opposed to 100 out of 200 failing? Or 200 out of 400? If the income tax rate is 10%, does that mean that a person making $50K pays a DIFFERENT percentage than someone who makes $100K?

                      “A rate is a special ratio in which the two terms are in different units. For example, if a 12-ounce can of corn costs 69¢, the rate is 69¢ for 12 ounces. The first term of the ratio is measured in cents; the second term in ounces.”

                      Whether you buy two cans and pay $1.38, or just one at 69 cents, it is STILL 5.75 cents per ounce.

                    • amongoose December 25th, 2016 at 23:12

                      The one that the article is about

                    • bpollen December 25th, 2016 at 23:55

                      OK. So you want MY solution to the problem you didn’t understand nor directly address.

                      Explain your math first. Tell me how ⅓ changes between 1 out of 3 and 2 out of 6. Does it become ⅔?

                      And also explain how victims are responsible for their victimization.

                      Because YOUR solution still leaves you with LOTS of whitesplainin’ to do. YOU are the one who claims that the solution to being victimized is to try to fix the victim, NOT THE VICTIMIZER! YOU are the one who thinks that 1 out of 3 and 2 out of 6 are different ratios because 6 is bigger than 3.

                    • amongoose December 26th, 2016 at 06:52

                      Your solution to the problem that the article is about, please.

                    • bpollen December 26th, 2016 at 07:15

                      OK. Explain your math please. How does more encounters result in a higher incidence of death ONLY in the black community, but in the white community, which has MORE total encounters, that incidence rate is LOWER? Cuz you are SPECIFICALLY saying that more encounters means a higher rate, yet ONLY for blacks. You seem to understand the word “RATE” only in the context of black crime rates. But the rate at which blacks are killed per encounter with LEOs? Suddenly that understanding seems to go right out the window.

                      Explain YOUR math, how YOU think things like fractions and ratios and rates work to explain your position. Explain how, for instance, an hourly wage RATE of $20 is changed based on hours worked. If you are paid 20/hr, you work 1000 hours, you are compensated $20,000. According to the math YOU are using, you are paid MORE per hour if you work 2000 hours and are compensated $40,000. And you make LESS per hour if you only work 500 hours and are compensated $10,000.

                      When you can explain your math, then we can address how I think we should approach a solution. Hint – you don’t blame the victim for their victimization.

                      I’ll await your math lesson.

                    • amongoose December 26th, 2016 at 10:26

                      Didn’t think you had a solution.
                      Have a nice day,.

                    • bpollen December 26th, 2016 at 13:48

                      I will have a nice day. And, regardless of what you think i have or don’t have, you actually have NO evidence either way. To put it another way, you are just making shite up.

                      Now, I keep asking you to explain how the math works in your solution, how rates and ratios work in your world, how MORE encounters means more deaths if you’re BLACK, but not in the case of whites who have MORE encounters. I have asked how pointing out the perceived faults in a culture controls how a THIRD-PARTY (i.e. NOT the black community) behaves.

                      You have failed REPEATEDLY AND CONSISTENTLY AND INVARIABLY to present me with data about how your “solution” addresses or even is related to the problem. (Not one mention of the PEOPLE DOING THE SHOOTING!) I tell you IF YOU DO, you’ll get my suggested approach. Instead of backing up your “solution” [snicker] you just just claim that *I* have nothing. How very trollish of you.

                      So, troll based on strawman arguments; racist for blaming the victims, math challenged as evidenced by total lack of understanding what “RATE” and “RATIO” mean; chickenshit based on avoiding all challenges by NEVER ADDRESSING CRITICISM and, instead of coming up with a logical argument to SUPPORT your “It’s the victims fault” trope, you just say “well, you do it then.” Cowardly would be the best description of THAT.
                      But I could be kind and say it’s disingenuous and dishonest.

                      You explain how YOUR solution works. You explain how math works different for blacks. You explain how victims are responsible for their victimhood. Explain how improving the lot of victims (school, for instance) changes how 3rd-parties behave.

                      If you can back up your drivel and answer MY questions, you’ll get my suggested approach. I placed a requirement on sharing that approach. Doesn’t mean there is NO approach. If THAT is the way things work, your lack of justifying and backing up your position would indicate that you have NO backup, NO math, NO actual solutions. You have YET to address ANY issue I have brought up.

                      If my not giving YOU my solution before you answer MY questions shows I don’t have any, refusing to address challenges to your solution or answer questions about it would be like a giant neon sign saying “I canna do it, Cap’n!”

                      “I’ve given you my solution to the number of blacks shot by police, reduce the crime rate in the black community.”

                      There’s where you say that number of incidences means a higher rate of death. Yet, there are more incidences of whites having interactions with law enforcement. So if reducing the crime rate in the black community is fixable by reducing the number of interactions, then logically the greater number of interactions amongst whites should mean a HIGHER death rate.
                      If rate of death is based on number of interactions, WHITES should have the highest casualty rate. They do NOT! Now, feel free to show how your math is race-dependent to support your (hahahahahaha) solution.

                      If you CAN back it up, do so. If you don’t, then obviously you can’t (using your logic again.)

    • amongoose December 22nd, 2016 at 10:52

      So how do we address these socioeconomic disparities? What can be done to help the inner city residents ready for the work force? Their graduation rate at present is absymal, without an education there will not be a lot of employment opportunities. Students can’t learn when classes are disrupted and both students and teachers are assaulted. When you have to have metal detectors to keep weapons from being brought into school you need to deal with it to get a school safe enough to learn in. Without a safe community enviroment business will not locate there. Look at what happened to the minority owned businesses in Ferguson Mo. and look at other places where rioting and flash mobs are occuring, with alarming regularity.
      Could it have anything to do with the rap culture that glorifies violence, abuse of women, drugs, killing cops, and disdains education? Listen to the lyrics of the music, it reflects the culture. Education is frowned upon, it is seen as “acting white” until that changes no amount of money dumped into a school system can help.
      .
      The game is rigged against them by the very system that claims it wants to help. If a single mother takes second or third part time job to do better for her kids, or to fund their’s or her education she is penalized by a reduction in support. Why try to get ahead if your going to be slapped down for doing it?
      .
      The basic building block of society, the family has been destroyed, without a stable home it’s real hard to raise children. It gets even harder when they see the lawlessness that goes on around them daily, and the only ones with money are the gangsters, and drug dealers. Before the Great Society was kicked off blacks were poor (just as they are now) but they had family, and values. Most were extended families who although they didn’t have much were good morally upstanding people. As Johnny Neff used ta say, when Grandma says NO, the discussion is over. There is no anchor like that in their families today.
      .
      That is what is missing and must be rebuilt for any progress to be made.

  4. Suzanne McFly December 21st, 2016 at 13:52

    That is a sad reflection on our police community, will admit though, I expected the number to be much higher.

    I see this story attracted the three stooges (below) and I don’t mean the funny ones either.

    • amongoose December 21st, 2016 at 16:38

      So are my facts wrong?
      And why aren’t we talking about and trying to solve the black community crime rate?

      • Lyndia December 21st, 2016 at 20:49

        Stooge one.

        • Suzanne McFly December 21st, 2016 at 21:47

          He seems more like a number 2 to me lol.

    • amongoose December 22nd, 2016 at 09:10

      Poor little girl, she can’t argue a point so she uses rule number five.
      .
      Between them they remind one of Francis and Peter, also of comedic fame. A bumbling white boy and a talking mule.

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