Kaine in 2005 ad: ‘I’m conservative’
Tim Kaine laid out where he’s conservative in a 2005 ad for governor.
Click here for reuse options!I’m conservative on issues of personal responsibility,” Kaine said. “As a former Christian missionary, faith is central to my life. I oppose gay marriage, I support restrictions on abortion — no public funding and parental consent — and I’ve worked to pass a state law banning partial-birth abortion.”
In another ad, titled “conservative,” Kaine says he will enforce the death penalty (which became an outsize issue in the 2005 campaign) and how he is “conservative on personal responsibility, character, family and the sanc
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mea_mark July 23rd, 2016 at 18:05
I am sure this came up in the vetting process, so that would mean Hillary is ok with this. Dem establishment is trying to take the party a little farther to the right. When does it become too far?
dewired4u July 23rd, 2016 at 18:45
she can’t win without the middle and right of the party so if you want to lose go progressive all the way. 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
whatthe46 July 23rd, 2016 at 18:49
i completely agree.
amongoose July 24th, 2016 at 13:29
Do you think his stances in support of TPP, and fewer banking regulations will hurt bringing in the Sanders supporters?
dewired4u July 24th, 2016 at 15:33
he will be VP not president and finding someone who is perfect for everyone ain’t gonna happen.
amongoose July 24th, 2016 at 15:59
True, if you don’t have differences with someone your probably talking to yourself.
Was wondering because those two seemed to have been awful important to them. All you can do is get as close as you can.
DogsRgoodpeople July 23rd, 2016 at 19:22
Oh hell yeah,they’re the same in many ways. Their positions have evolved with the political winds.
robert July 23rd, 2016 at 19:23
That’s OK Bernie has several permits for rallies outside of the Philly convention I’m sure some if not all the truth is going to come out about Kaine and what we should be aware of going forward . I never trusted people who go public saying they are ” conservative” and there are no contracts saying he won’t betray the Dems / liberals I’m very sceptical about this dude
burqa July 23rd, 2016 at 21:35
Had you been here in Virginia during the 2005 election between Kaine and Kilgore, there would not have been a shred of doubt in your mind as to the fact that Kaine was a liberal and Kilgore was a conservative.
Alan’s revisionist history is deceiving you.
Kaine is a liberal.
You’ll be happy with him as vee-pee.
robert July 23rd, 2016 at 21:49
2005 was a long time ago and some politicians change without notice
amongoose July 24th, 2016 at 13:28
Or depending on the audience.
robert July 24th, 2016 at 13:39
To be more exact and to the point, I have yet to see a politician change for the better or should I say change his / her ways to benefit the people alot more then themselves
amongoose July 24th, 2016 at 13:48
Can’t remember who said it.
“Diapers and politicians should be changed regularly, for the same reason”.
Kick Frenzy July 24th, 2016 at 03:18
How is it revisionist?
These are things that happened.
He said and did those things.
He’s still personally against abortion, but sides legally with pro-choice measures.
Although, I’m not sure whether he still insists on parental consent.
He’s also anti-marijuana.
And Hillary describes him as “a progressive who likes to get things done.”
I hate that phrase.
For what should be obvious reasons.
(I.e, neither of them are progressive and making your goal to basically be ‘reach for what’s easily attainable’ does not mean you like to “get things done”.
That implies working hard to achieve difficult goals, while being progressive means aiming for the end goal instead of aiming for the next square on the sidewalk.
And lastly, being a liberal and being a progressive are not mutual terms.
burqa July 25th, 2016 at 20:45
It is revisionist in that Alan is trying to paint Kaine as a conservative when he is not and was not when he made that statement.
I was here in Virginia during that campaign and no one thought Kaine was a conservative.
There were no ads in the newspaper from conservative groups saying Kaine “is one of us!” or anything else of the sort.
Hillary is right in her description of Kaine you objected to.
We need to resist Tea Party notions creeping into the Left, such as seeing things in black and white and refusing to work across the aisle.
Kaine is pragmatic – he shoots for attainable goals and is good at finding common ground with the other side. This is what our system is designed to foster.
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 18:12
So, there…
anothertoothpick July 23rd, 2016 at 18:36
Hi Gina!
This don’t look good for us progressive.
We’ve seem to have clowns to the left of us and joker’s to our right..
How is the weather in Rio around the middle of November?
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 18:45
Yup, doesn’t look good… Hi friend! The weather in Rio in November is very hot and sunny.
anothertoothpick July 23rd, 2016 at 18:52
Well, you’re probably right, maybe I don’t want to relocate that far south..
What about Mexico?
Do you think Mexico is a little cooler??
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 18:53
Maybe, I don’t know Mexico! :) But you don’t believe Trump is gonna win, do you?
Larry Schmitt July 23rd, 2016 at 18:54
It depends on how many Democrats get out and vote, and how the indies go.
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 18:55
How do you think indies will respond to Kaine?
Larry Schmitt July 23rd, 2016 at 18:58
Don’t know, my crystal ball is in the shop.
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 19:03
:) :)
burqa July 23rd, 2016 at 21:30
They will like him. He will get more undecided votes from the Center than Pence will win for the Trump/Pence ticket.
I can tell you how this will shake out.
Hillary and Trump will start out with about 40% of the electorate strongly leaning their way. Don’t worry how the polls ebb and flow.
Toward Election Day, they will be close, with each side winning about 5 or 6 percent of the 20 percent in the middle, though at times either side will have support from 10 or 12% of the Center..
If neither completely implodes during the debates, that’s how it will be going into the final week.
Then those in the Center will break to either the Left or Right.
I think Hillary/Kaine are a lot more likely that Trump/Pence to win the Center and thus the election.
Extremist ideologuess on the far Left and Right will be unhappy, as they always are. They can never get used to the idea that they are part of a small minority….
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 21:39
I hope you’re right about centrists choosing Hillary, but I was counting on that legion of passionate leftists– the 12 million– to back her. :)
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 21:40
I answered you a perfectly clean answer, no bad words at all, but some filter caught me!
Red Mann July 24th, 2016 at 00:26
You need your Secret Bad Word decoder ring. Disqus has some strange words on its Naughty List. Apparently the site can opt out. Ed Brayon at Dispatches From The Cultural Wars on Patheos doesn’t use it.
Gina Bousquet July 24th, 2016 at 00:49
That’s right! I recently found one of them, it blocked three comments of mine. Can’t write it or this post will be censored, but it’s ridiculous, a synonym for visit!
burqa July 25th, 2016 at 20:32
I’m sorry I missed it. I’m certain it was charming, kind and interesting.
Gina Bousquet July 25th, 2016 at 20:42
Thank you burqa! :)
anothertoothpick July 23rd, 2016 at 18:59
Be that as it may, my young friend Gina, one must always have a “go to” plan.
A “plan B” if you will.
I wonder it there are any nice islands in the Gulf of Mexico?
With a cool climate, and no bugs.
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 19:04
No idea, there might be… :)
burqa July 23rd, 2016 at 21:18
Alan is being deceptive by digging up an ad from 11 years ago.
I can assure you that no one on the Right here in Virginia ever thought Kaine was a conservative.
I was here in Virginia during that election. There were not any ads run by conservative groups saying “Tim Kaine is one of us!”
During that election it was crystal clear – Kaine was the liberal candidate and Jerry Kilgore was the conservative one. Back then, no one had any trouble seeing the difference between them, although Alan seems to be having difficulty today…..
Gina Bousquet July 23rd, 2016 at 21:23
Alan just showed how he presented himself then, I believe it to be valid, knowing all the angles of a candidate. Progressives are more worried about his stance on war on drugs and the big banks, these are important themes and he seems to be center right in them. But then, being a VP doesn’t mean he’ll define policies ultimately I guess.
Red Mann July 24th, 2016 at 00:21
I’ve been living in Virginia Beach since 1979 back in the Blue Law days and never thought Kaine to be amongst the idiots that call themselves conservatives these days. A little conservatism mixed with a little socialism is the road we need to be taking. Extremists on either side will run us off the cliff or into the mountain.
arc99 July 24th, 2016 at 03:39
If the quotes attributed to Mr. Kaine are valid and accurate, there is NOTHING deceptive in Alan’s post. Decade-old facts are still facts..
What is this world coming to when directly quoting someone is somehow deceptive?
jybarz July 24th, 2016 at 07:50
Originally conservative now running as DINO or progressive-lite or whatever just to win Dem support.
And the gloves fit to both…I don’t mean just his hands…I mean both their hands.
OldLefty July 24th, 2016 at 07:59
Ultimately….
So what?
arc99 July 23rd, 2016 at 18:33
Ok.
So let’s go to the wrong-o-meter and evaluate both VP candidates
Tim Kaine: I oppose gay marriage, I support restrictions on abortion — no public funding and parental consent — and I’ve worked to pass a state law banning partial-birth abortion.”
Mike Pence:
Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010415085348/http://mikepence.com/smoke.html
Looks like a toss-up to me.
Fortunately, Mr. Kaine has changed his tune significantly. Even if he had not, the vice president does not set the agenda.
Hillary 2016.
burqa July 23rd, 2016 at 21:08
Kaine has always been firmly anchored on the Left.
Pence has long been firmly anchored on the Right.
The OP was deceptive in that it led you to conclude Kaine and Pence were equivalent.
You’ll be fine with Kaine as vee-pee.
arc99 July 24th, 2016 at 03:36
I have no doubts that Kaine will be fine as VP.
However, those comments were direct quotes.
Direct quotes do not qualify as deception.
My point was that they were both equally wrong.
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dewired4u July 23rd, 2016 at 18:46
I strongly support the right of women to make their own health and
reproductive decisions and, for that reason, will oppose efforts to
weaken or subvert the basic holding of Roe v. Wade.
We all share the goal of reducing unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
The right way to do this is through education and access to health care
and contraception rather than criminalizing women’s reproductive
decisions.
Source: 2012 Senate campaign website, kaineforva.com
, Oct 9, 2012
DogsRgoodpeople July 23rd, 2016 at 19:21
I’ll bet he’s a nice guy though ,cause you know, all the talking heads have said so three or four times each.
robert July 23rd, 2016 at 19:25
Nice doesn’t cut it in politics Ask anyone..
Red Mann July 24th, 2016 at 00:16
Nice guys finish last.
amongoose July 24th, 2016 at 13:25
Because they usually get run over by the rest.
Gina Bousquet July 24th, 2016 at 18:14
This is an old French saying with a lot of prestige among women, applied to something else entirely…
Suzanne McFly July 23rd, 2016 at 19:35
He has already said he will fall in line behind Hillary and support her policies. Lets not eat our own, the other party is an example of the worst that can happen so let’s just avoid it.
burqa July 23rd, 2016 at 21:04
Good call.
For the life of me I can’t understand why some on the Left want to introduce the more odious aspects of the Tea Party into the Left.
But they do.
We see it in those who don’t see nuance or shades of gray, which we on the Left have had as a defining characteristic for decades.
We see it in the hardasses who refuse any negotiation or cooperation with the Right, even though that is how our system is designed to operate.
We see it in the petulance and poor sportsmanship in defeat.
We see it in their desire to have a religious group to be bigoted toward.
We see it in their insistence on groupthink which denies the very sort of individuality the Left has classically respected.
We see it when they use a bastardized term like “DINO” and the same kind of narrow thinking behind such a term.
Suzanne McFly July 24th, 2016 at 08:03
I believe our population is a lot smaller than the rights, so we need to shut them down whenever they speak up IMO. We all are upset about how our government is not working for the average citizen, but we have to retaliate by using our brains and not our fists.
postingacomment July 23rd, 2016 at 20:47
I once said “I’m a conservative dresser” so that means I’m a Republican now I guess.
burqa July 23rd, 2016 at 20:51
Dusting off an ad run 11 years ago when more recent info is available is a dubious tactic, Alan.
Hillary won.
Bernie lost.
Get over it.
Bernie-style soshulists don’t win statewide elections in Virginia; a purple state Romney narrowly carried and Obama barely won against McCain.
Kaine and our fab governor McAuliffe will help Hillary take away 13 electoral college votes from Daw-nuld, thus tightening that electoral anaconda around his neck.
burqa July 25th, 2016 at 20:36
That’s pretty much how it shakes out. Either Clinton or Trump could be caught on video shooting someone and still get about 35 or 40% of the vote.
The struggle comes over which candidate can appeal to the greater number of voters in the middle. The extremists on the Left and Right never seem to understand this, and labor under the misconception that, Trump has to try to be further to the right or that Hillary needs to be further to the left.
At the same time, the extremists on the Left and Right are unaware that their efforts can be such that they can damage the candidate they favor.
The election will be won by the candidate who can get the most votes from the Center.