On this Memorial Day, time to consider how many service people the ‘most militaristic’ person in the world would kill
Yup, that’s how he referred to himself. Then, he forked over promised money to veterans only when publicly shamed to do so. And don’t forget that venereal disease was his “personal Vietnam” and his four deferments kept him out of war. Then he developed a bone spur but can’t remember in which foot. Oh, but he went to military school, so he “always felt that I was in the military.” Ben Fountain writes in The Guardian:
Click here for reuse options!Trump has said he “will be so good at the military, your head will spin”. Sure, how hard can it be? This rich man’s son who was never in the military, who in fact used student deferments (four) and a case of heel spurs to avoid Vietnam. He did, however, attend a military-style prep school in his teens, and therefore “always felt that I was in the military”, while sleeping around during his bachelor days, risking venereal disease, was “scary, like Vietnam” and “my personal Vietnam”. Senator John McCain, former combat naval aviator who nearly died in service and was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for over five years, repeatedly refusing offers of early release in order to stay with his comrades, is not, according to Trump, much of a soldier, whereas he, Trump, according to Trump, is the “most militaristic man in the room” whose yet-unspecified plans for taking on Isis would draw the approval of such lions as General Douglas MacArthur and General George Patton. And so on.
Could it be that Trump is giving voice to the inner life of a large portion of the US male population (and how much of the female as well)? Which might explain his appeal: he is the bog monster of the American id, rising out of the masturbatory muck of our military fantasies in which the manly man slays his enemies and laughs at the lamentations of their women. So easy to be the hero in your wet dreams, your shooter games, your securely located war rooms stocked with emergency rations and the external defibrillator. This sort of unhinged fantasizing has been the defining pattern of the Era of Endless War, in which people – old men, for the most part, a good number of them rich – who never experienced war – who in their youth ran as fast from it as they could – send young men and women – most of them middle- and working-class – across oceans to fight wars based on half-facts, cooked intelligence, and magical thinking on the grand geopolitical scale. Surely it’s no coincidence that the Era of the AUMF, the Era of Endless War, is also the Golden Era of the Chickenhawk. We keep electing leaders who, on the most basic experiential level, literally have no idea what they’re doing.
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William May 28th, 2016 at 14:25
I don’t think the Dumpster recognizes memorial day.
StoneyCurtisll May 28th, 2016 at 20:56
“losers”….(sarcasm)
granpa.usthai May 29th, 2016 at 00:51
I get it
too bad trumpuppets won’t.
Debra Espinoza May 29th, 2016 at 02:33
eyelashviper May 28th, 2016 at 14:42
Such a great military expert, so dedicated to vets, etc…
Maybe he will avoid all the upcoming debates, and have fund raisers for all the poor guys who couldn’t serve their country because of bone spurs….
granpa.usthai May 29th, 2016 at 00:49
a non vet sore footies convention?
how charming.
think maybe trump would be willing to collect money to build a monument?
or wall?
StoneyCurtisll May 28th, 2016 at 14:55
Trump could have enlisted during the war in Vietnam..
But chose to stay at home where it it was safe.
Larry Schmitt May 28th, 2016 at 15:33
If it had been a century earlier, he would have paid for a substitute: “In 1863, when President Lincoln called for 300,000 troops, every congressional district in the North had to meet their quota. If you were healthy and were among those called, you had several options provided by federal law: pay a substitute to take your place; pay a commutation fee of $300, enabling you to avoid service; or join the fight.”
From the New York History Blog
17 May 28th, 2016 at 16:21
He wouldn’t have paid a substitute. He’d have somehow weasled his way out of paying the $300.
cogitoergodavesum May 29th, 2016 at 09:05
His father would have paid it.
StoneyCurtisll May 28th, 2016 at 20:55
Shocking..
But not at all surprising.
granpa.usthai May 29th, 2016 at 00:47
when ALL his student deferments ran out (eg: his Nazi daddy Fred couldn’t buy anymore, him footies hurted so much him had to chicken out – but him is ready now!
uh huh!
donald j. trump is willing to send anybody else’s child anywhere in the world to DIE to show how big and brave him is now!!!
StoneyCurtisll May 29th, 2016 at 01:25
Yep..
Larry Schmitt May 28th, 2016 at 15:30
The ones most eager to send other people’s sons and daughters to war have never served themselves, nor have their sons or daughters.
anothertoothpick May 28th, 2016 at 15:44
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. Dwight D. Eisenhower
StoneyCurtisll May 28th, 2016 at 20:52
I Like Ike…(2016)
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17 May 28th, 2016 at 16:18
My first glance at the title of this article had me thinking it was about Hillary Clinton. Trump, I believe, won’t rush headlong into war, but I’ve no doubt Hillary’s already got plans drawn up.
I have no intention of voting for either of them.
bpollen May 28th, 2016 at 16:45
So you know what both Trump and Hillary have planned?
To say I’m skeptical would understate the situation considerably.
17 May 28th, 2016 at 17:19
Trumps got a big mouth, so war under him is probable. Hillary’s never met a country she wasn’t willing to corrupt, so war under her is inevitable.
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 17:24
war is probable? war has started here and this pos isn’t even the President. and Hillary’s never started a war but it doesn’t stop you from insinuating it.
17 May 28th, 2016 at 17:36
Really? Hillary’s not a Neocon Hawk? You’ve got some reading to do, my friend.
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 18:07
what war has she started?
mea_mark May 28th, 2016 at 18:48
You may not like it but you should read this … Hillary Is the Candidate of the War Machine … http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-is-the-candidate_b_9168938.html
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 19:00
surprising that the RWNJ’s hate her when they are the warmongers of the world. as for Iraq, she, like millions of Americans, democrats and repukes alike believed what we were all told, NOT knowing it was all a lie. outside of your continued argument about “wars” she hasn’t started, you have nothing else to suggest she’s not a good candidate or the best. furthermore, she has proven to be a very strong woman who stood up and took every hit in stride and has not wavered. she has not broken down. not one “man” where repukes are concerned could take what has been thrown at her.
Obewon May 28th, 2016 at 19:26
Oh look via your source “Sanders Candidacy Devolving into an Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster”-05/27/2016 True. Misogynists for Trump’16~. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-d-rosenstein/sanders-candidacy-devolvi_b_10168566.html
Obewon May 28th, 2016 at 19:29
GWB Jr cratered neocons. GOP’s accurate update is neoclown.
bpollen May 28th, 2016 at 19:20
You’re elucidation did nothing to dispel my skepticism. Especially when, in two consecutive posts, you say:
won’t rush headlong into war
and
Trumps got a big mouth, so war under him is probable
Then, with Hillary, you say you “have no doubt” she has plans drawn up for war. Your reasoning? Corruption. Corruption = War. To call that tenuous reasoning would be an incredibly generous description. Especially since there is no evidence, particularly of amorphous concepts like willing, that she “never met a country she wasn’t willing to corrupt.” Plus, how the hell do you “meet” a country? “Madame Secretary, meet Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka, meet your willing corrupter.”
mistlesuede May 29th, 2016 at 14:48
LMAO
Mensa Member May 28th, 2016 at 21:09
>> So you know what both Trump and Hillary have planned?
How may Bush-style invasions did Hillary do as Secretary of State?
None, of course.
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 17:06
if it’s between the both of them, you’d rather sit it out? that’s a damn shame. we’re seeing pre-civil war with tRump and his war against every person in this country NOT white and racist, and you’re ok with this?
17 May 28th, 2016 at 17:17
I’m not ok with any of it. I’m also not ok with voting for the lesser of two evils anymore. I’ll write in Bernie Sanders or vote for Jill Stein before I’ll vote to continue the corruption. There’s a word used to describe the condition of continuing the same failed actions over and over, expecting different results. Call me insane, but I can’t quite put my finger on that word at the moment.
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 17:22
unfortunately your vote won’t count.
17 May 28th, 2016 at 17:38
Nobody’s vote counts. SCOTUS told you that in 2000. Didn’t you hear them? Votes are just suggestions.
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 18:07
it did in ’08 and it did in ’12.
Obewon May 28th, 2016 at 18:12
Exactly! But these creatures don’t even know the mere $100 B/yr five year ‘Dem stimulus delivered 10 M of 15 M+ POTUS Obama Private jobs created.’-CBO. Lilly Ledbetter equal pay, Dodd-Frank-ended ‘too big to fail’ taxpayer Vs industry-only bailouts, etc.
Ballot access 2012, 128 M Vote results:
Presidential ticket Party Ballot access[87] % of voters
seeing name on ballot Votes Percentage
Obama / Biden Democratic 50 + DC 100% 65,915,796 51.19%
Romney / Ryan Republican 50 + DC 100% 60,933,500 47.32%
Johnson / Gray Libertarian 48 + DC 95.1% 1,275,951 0.99%
Stein / Honkala Green 36 + DC 83.1% 469,628 0.36%
Goode / Clymer Constitution 26 49.9% 122,388 0.10%
Anderson / Rodriguez Justice 15 28.1% 43,018 0.03%
Lindsay / Osorio Socialism & Liberation 13 28.6% 7,791 0.006%
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 18:22
how dare you speak facts.
Budda May 29th, 2016 at 10:50
and 2000
Obewon May 28th, 2016 at 18:04
The mathematical illiterates are actually Greedy Oil Polluter trolls.
“0.36%”-Green Party best results, after balloting in 48+ states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 18:05
apparently. but, it’s getting on my nerves.
Budda May 29th, 2016 at 10:50
Exactly.
Snick1946 May 28th, 2016 at 19:08
OK, fine. You are insane.
Enjoy four years of Trump.
Snick1946 May 29th, 2016 at 19:17
Hope you enjoy the Trump administration.
So ideological. So tragically short sighted..
Obewon May 28th, 2016 at 18:02
That proves how checked out you are, bought by misogynist racist birthers
(R) Trump / (R) Palin’16~ self inflicted sodomy ticket.
17 May 28th, 2016 at 18:31
Are you drinking again?
Obewon May 28th, 2016 at 18:35
Nope. See further proof of your failure record, enabling GOP.
mistlesuede May 29th, 2016 at 14:46
He’s a part of the new hate Hillary at any cost posse that showed up here a few weeks ago. Real brain-trusts.
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 18:45
why, because Obe just showed you a graph of how stupid repukes are? more than 60% of repukes don’t believe Hawaii is a part of the United States.
17 May 28th, 2016 at 18:58
And that graph somehow has something to do with Hillary and Trump and the likelyhood of the coming war? I guess you’re at the bar with him.
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 19:05
it has to do with the stupidity of the RWNJ’s and that they are the warmongers. she still hasn’t started any wars and tRump has. tRump has the I.Q. of a damn knat. just a big ass irritant who is severely inept, uneducated, unsophisticated, angry, a bigot, a racist, a crook, a fraud, a menace, and the list of negatives go on. she is the better candidate. i don’t care quite frankly what you decide anymore. my goal is to make certain my vote counts AGAINST this pos who has no ones (like all of the repukes alike) interest in mind, let alone this country, except himself.
Budda May 29th, 2016 at 10:48
If you are really afraid of ‘a coming war’, I would think Hillary is less likely to start one than crazy Trump. I don’t think she is a war monger.
Amersham46 May 28th, 2016 at 20:30
But I could name several state that, from time to time act as is if they are not part of the United States
whatthe46 May 28th, 2016 at 21:10
that’s acting like they are not. big difference though right.
StoneyCurtisll May 28th, 2016 at 20:49
Bingo~!
Buford2k11 May 29th, 2016 at 10:14
umm…where can I go see HRC’s war plans? I am curious…I am sorry you feel that way about Trump…there is a building concern that Trump is unstable mentally…You don’t have to be an MD to see the most obvious of the symptoms…Listening to Trump, is all anyone needs to make a good decision and not vote for trump or ANY republican…You have the freedom to not vote for anyone of them…that is the way of our Democracy…but then, it removes you from being able to whine, complain, or disparage the winner of the election…
OldLefty May 29th, 2016 at 11:16
Trump already said he would, and would use nukes.
Plus:
On every issue that Global Zero measured, Clinton is indicated as far less hawkish than all three of the Republican candidates, and as basically tied with Bernie Sanders. She supports the Iran nuclear deal; the Republicans all oppose it. She supports using diplomacy to solve the North Korean nuclear crisis; John Kasich is the only Republican to do so. She supports negotiating with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons; no Republican candidate does.
But her record also includes some of the most dovish actions of any candidate.
As secretary of state, she supported and led the “reset” with Russia — a diplomatic effort that is still derided by Republicans as weak. She met Chinese aggression in the South China Sea by organizing regional diplomatic organizations to counterbalance China. In 2009, she met with Mutassim Qaddafi, the highest-level meeting between Libyan and American officials in years, as part of an outreach to the country. In 2012, she quietly opened talks with Iran, which would culminate in the nuclear deal.
These diplomatic efforts are worth considering as counterweights to the narrative of Clinton as a down-the-line hawk. In dealing with hostile or adversarial regimes, she has tended to prefer conciliation and compromise over confrontation.
This is a huge contrast with Republicans, including the party’s presidential candidates, who typically argue that hostile regimes are irrational or implacable and can only be deterred by coercion and threats. In this sense, Clinton is far more dovish and far less likely to lead the US into conflict.
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/27/11504272/hillary-clinton-hawk
nola878 May 28th, 2016 at 17:57
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/55ac5d4b1300002f009d7c23.jpeg
oldfart May 28th, 2016 at 18:01
…Such tiny hands !!! ;)
Budda May 29th, 2016 at 10:44
Tiny and delicate
StoneyCurtisll May 28th, 2016 at 20:48
High Five~!
jybarz May 28th, 2016 at 19:54
So sick and tired of listening, watching and reading about this stupidest, most bigoted, biggest liar, most racist, biggest mouth the shape of an anus, most hateful and phoniest man alive.
Can someone please take him out.
Tim Coolio May 28th, 2016 at 20:32
Lying Donald the tax cheat (and his party) is also a threat to world peace and prosperity, and can you imagine him getting into a argument with the bully from North Korea?
granpa.usthai May 29th, 2016 at 01:02
won’t do him any good to argue/invade/bomb/shoot at or whine about DPRK.
they’ll just blow up the whole southern half of the FOREIGN OCCUPIED Korean Peninsula.
Mensa Member May 28th, 2016 at 21:06
Republican chicken-hawks will be the death of us.
granpa.usthai May 29th, 2016 at 00:57
not if they get roasted first at the voting booth.
the way they were freaking out in 2012 – heck. I enjoyed watching it so much, I’ve voted STRAIGHT Democrat ever since. – even in the 2014 slaughter of America.
Buford2k11 May 29th, 2016 at 10:01
me too…I want a box on the ballot for straight ticket votes…Like we used to have….
granpa.usthai May 29th, 2016 at 00:22
Thank you donald j. trump for giving me this opportunity to present my addition to
THE Star Spangled Banner
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William May 29th, 2016 at 03:03
Meanwhile in Maine
fahvel May 29th, 2016 at 03:15
Mr. Fountain has said it so well.
Robert M. Snyder May 29th, 2016 at 20:33
http://m.omeleto.com/219202/