Giuliani: Darren Wilson ‘Should Be Commended’ For Killing Darren Brown
Click here for reuse options!“A man committed a robbery, attempted to assault a police officer, and the police officer, to save his life, shot him,” Giuliani told Fox News on Thursday. “The police officer did his duty. The police officer should be commended for what he did. He did exactly what you should do.”
Wilson was cleared of any charges by a local grand jury last fall. The Justice Department last week released a report on his shooting of Brown and said that it did not have sufficient evidence to try Wilson for civil rights violations. Wilson resigned from the force in November.
Giuliani spoke at length during the interview about his belief that Ferguson had been overtaken by an “atmosphere of unbalance” since Brown’s shooting. He said that this atmosphere has been perpetuated by comments from members of the Obama administration, as well as the Justice Department’s scathing report on the Ferguson Police Department, released last week.
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Suzanne McFly March 13th, 2015 at 10:06
This idiot is claiming a cop should be commended for shooting and killing an unarmed young man who happens to be black? It seems like he is so scared of his current irrelevancy he is willing to throw anything at the wall hoping it sticks. He has so many feet in his mouth he is having to use another orifice to fit them all in.
Khary A March 13th, 2015 at 10:09
I’d be glad to break my foot off in one of those orifices, if he needs the help.
Suzanne McFly March 13th, 2015 at 17:51
I would love to join you :)
Benji0804 March 13th, 2015 at 10:37
Despite him being unarmed the DOJ and two other agency said Darren Wilson
is in the right, don’t break the law and don’t attack cops should be the lesson.
edmeyer_able March 13th, 2015 at 11:17
No they didn’t what they DID say was there wasn’t sufficient proof brought to the GJ to show he acted in the wrong and we all know the GJ was a whitewash by the DA.
bluejayray March 13th, 2015 at 12:22
The full report is even more damning than the shooting that brought it to our attention, in my opinion. Folks don’t realize how ingrained and institutionalized racism, sexism and homophobia are in this country. Imagine being born a black, gay woman.
Pilotshark March 13th, 2015 at 10:08
He is lobbying very hard for a VP spot on someones ticket, maybe AG?
either way he is a nut case that makes it hard to believe he was a lawyer and mayor.
mea_mark March 13th, 2015 at 10:12
Pandering to the racist in America, he is going from ‘America’s mayor’ to ‘America’s racist’.
edmeyer_able March 13th, 2015 at 10:19
Why is this ahole even given a podium anymore, are we that desperate to listen to hate speech wtf.
allison1050 March 13th, 2015 at 10:27
Shouldn’t someone tell him that he’s been finished?
William March 13th, 2015 at 11:21
It’s a little sad watching crazy old people grasping at anything to stay relevant. It is possible that he is simply spewing,in the hope that something sticks in the way of a legacy quote.
Sadly that ship has already sailed..Oh..and
911
bluejayray March 13th, 2015 at 12:15
Rudy reminds me of Pat Robertson. We really need a home for these old fools where they can do no harm to themselves and others. They should name a wing after McCain.
jybarz March 13th, 2015 at 11:32
Fck Off, Rudy!
trees March 13th, 2015 at 11:52
The encounter between Wilson and Brown took place over an approximately two-minute
period of time at about noon on August 9, 2014. Wilson was on duty and driving his
department-issued Chevy Tahoe SUV westbound on Canfield Drive in Ferguson, Missouri when
he saw Brown and his friend, Witness 101,2
walking eastbound in the middle of the street.
Brown and Witness 101 had just come from Ferguson Market and Liquor (“Ferguson Market”),
a nearby convenience store, where, at approximately 11:53 a.m., Brown stole several packages of
cigarillos. As captured on the store’s surveillance video, when the store clerk tried to stop
Brown, Brown used his physical size to stand over him and forcefully shove him away. As a
result, an FPD dispatch call went out over the police radio for a “stealing in progress.” The
dispatch recordings and Wilson’s radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the
theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 101.
As Wilson drove toward Brown and Witness 101, he told the two men to walk on the
sidewalk. According to Wilson’s statement to prosecutors and investigators, he suspected that
Brown and Witness 101 were involved in the incident at Ferguson Market based on the
descriptions he heard on the radio and the cigarillos in Brown’s hands. Wilson then called for
backup, stating, “Put me on Canfield with two and send me another car.” Wilson backed up his
SUV and parked at an angle, blocking most of both lanes of traffic, and stopping Brown and
Witness 101 from walking any further. Wilson attempted to open the driver’s door of the SUV
to exit his vehicle, but as he swung it open, the door came into contact with Brown’s body and
either rebounded closed or Brown pushed it closed.
Wilson and other witnesses stated that Brown then reached into the SUV through the
open driver’s window and punched and grabbed Wilson. This is corroborated by bruising on
Wilson’s jaw and scratches on his neck, the presence of Brown’s DNA on Wilson’s collar, shirt,
and pants, and Wilson’s DNA on Brown’s palm. While there are other individuals who stated
that Wilson reached out of the SUV and grabbed Brown by the neck, prosecutors could not credit
their accounts because they were inconsistent with physical and forensic evidence, as detailed
throughout this report.
Wilson told prosecutors and investigators that he responded to Brown reaching into the
SUV and punching him by withdrawing his gun because he could not access less lethal weapons
while seated inside the SUV. Brown then grabbed the weapon and struggled with Wilson to gain
control of it. Wilson fired, striking Brown in the hand. Autopsy results and bullet trajectory,
skin from Brown’s palm on the outside of the SUV door as well as Brown’s DNA on the inside
of the driver’s door corroborate Wilson’s account that during the struggle, Brown used his right
hand to grab and attempt to control Wilson’s gun. According to three autopsies, Brown
sustained a close range gunshot wound to the fleshy portion of his right hand at the base of his
right thumb. Soot from the muzzle of the gun found embedded in the tissue of this wound
coupled with indicia of thermal change from the heat of the muzzle indicate that Brown’s hand
was within inches of the muzzle of Wilson’s gun when it was fired. The location of the
recovered bullet in the side panel of the driver’s door, just above Wilson’s lap, also corroborates
Wilson’s account of the struggle over the gun and when the gun was fired, as do witness
accounts that Wilson fired at least one shot from inside the SUV.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 12:22
I get the feeling that no one here has actually read the DOJ report, choosing instead to believe today, in what they thought was true, as they did back then…
“Hands up, Don’t Shoot”, never happened……
Witness 102 is a 27-year-old bi-racial male. Witness 102 gave three statements. First, SLCPD detectives interviewed him; second, FBI agents interviewed him; third, Witness 102 testified before the county grand jury.
Witness 102 was doing house repairs on a residence on Canfield Drive when the shooting occurred. Witness 102 first noticed Brown and Witness 101 walking down Canfield Drive about 20 minutes prior to the shooting when he went to his truck to retrieve a broom. Brown’s size initially drew Witness 102’s attention. When Witness 102 later came back outside to get another tool, he noticed Wilson’s SUV parked in the middle of the street at an angle, with the driver’s
side closer to the center of the street. Witness 102’s vantage point was street level, about 450 feet from the SUV with a view of the driver’s side of the SUV.
According to Witness 102, he saw Brown standing on the driver’s side of the SUV, bent over with his body through the driver’s window from the waist up. Witness 102 explained that Brown was “wrestling” through the window, but he was unable to see what Wilson was doing. After a few seconds, Witness 102 heard a gunshot. Immediately, Brown took off running in the opposite direction from where Witness 102 was standing. Witness 102 heard something metallic
hit the ground. Witness 102 thought that he had just witnessed the murder of a police officer because a few seconds passed before Wilson emerged from the SUV. Wilson then chased Brown with his gun drawn, but not pointed at Brown, until Brown abruptly turned around at a nearby driveway. Witness 102 explained that it made no sense to him why Brown turned around. Brown did not get on the ground or put his hands up in surrender. In fact, Witness 102 told investigators that he knew “for sure that [Brown’s] hands were not above his head.” Rather,
28 Brown made some type of movement similar to pulling his pants up or a shoulder shrug, and then “charged” at Wilson. It was only then that Wilson fired five or six shots at Brown. Brown paused and appeared to flinch, and Wilson stopped firing. However, Brown charged at Wilson again, and again Wilson fired about three or four rounds until Brown finally collapsed on the ground. Witness 102 was in disbelief that Wilson seemingly kept missing because Brown kept
advancing forward. Witness 102 described Brown as a “threat,” moving at a “full charge.” Witness 102 stated that Wilson only fired shots when Brown was coming toward Wilson. It appeared to Witness 102 that Wilson’s life was in jeopardy. Witness 102 was unable to hear whether Brown or Wilson said anything. Witness 102 did not see Brown’s friend, Witness 101, at any time during the incident until Witness 101 “came out of nowhere,” shouting, “‘They just killed him!’” Witness 101 seemed to be shouting toward a blue Monte Carlo23 that had stopped behind Wilson’s SUV. Witness 101 then ran off.
Witness 102 explained that once he saw officers putting up police tape, he went down to the scene and began telling another onlooker what he had witnessed.
Witness 102 later learned via a “friend” on Facebook that his voice was inadvertently captured on another bystander’s cell phone recording. Federal prosecutors reviewed this recording and Witness 102 identified his voice on the recording when he testified before the county grand jury.
In it, Witness 102 can be heard correcting someone else who was recounting what he heard from others, that Wilson “stood over [Brown] and shot while on the ground.” In response, Witness 102 stated that Wilson shot Brown because Brown came back toward Wilson. Witness 102 “kept thinking” that Wilson’s shots were “missing” Brown because Brown kept moving.
arc99 March 13th, 2015 at 12:25
As indicated above, your “feeling” is mistaken. Haven’t slogged through the entire document yet. Why not try asking people if they have read the report instead of making up fiction based on what you “feel”?
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:16
You’ve had time to read, tell me what conclusion you’ve reached.
Is “Hands up, don’t shoot” credible?
Did Darren Wilson shoot a poor innocent black child in the back as he was trying to surrender?
Was Michael Brown a good, decent, law abiding citizen who was unlawfully murdered by Darren Wilson?
Was Darren Wilson justified in his use of deadly force?
Please tell us all who’s to blame for the events of that day.
arc99 March 13th, 2015 at 16:02
I will stick to the facts as I know them. The Justice Dept concludes there is not sufficient evidence to pursue a federal prosecution.
I will leave it to you right wingers to spin an absence of evidence into a definitive conclusion of no wrongdoing.
Absence of evidence does not mean there was no wrongdoing. Ask OJ Simpson.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 16:43
It goes way beyond
The report exonerates Wilson. The report justifies Wilson. The report finds that the events, as testified to by Wilson, are supported by numerous, reliable, eyewitnesses, supported by the convenience store video, (remember that video, the one you libs claim showed M Brown paying for his cigarillos?), supported by the forensic analysis conducted at the crime scene, (yes, crime scene. M Brown committed assault and battery on an officer, and attempted to seize an officers gun), and supported by the investigators themselves, in their conclusion.
arc99 March 13th, 2015 at 17:22
So the conclusion from Eric Holder’s Justice Dept is that there is no grounds for federal prosecution.
But I have every confidence that the right wing noise machine attacks on the Attorney General’s ethics and credibility will continue unabated.
And that is the lesson I have learned from all of this. Whether we like it or not, we liberals accept the findings of the Justice Dept regardless of whether those findings might conflict with our personal opinions.
On the other hand, you folks on the right do not hesitate to cite the Justice Dept findings when it suits your agenda but make any number of baseless accusations about dishonesty, partisanship and lack of integrity on the part of the Attorney General and federal prosecutors when the outcome does not fit the desired narrative (new Black Panthers and DNesh DSouza for example).
Was justice served in the case of Darren Wilson? Only the people who were actually there can speak to that with certainty. We have the Justice Dept report which for better or worse is likely the end of the criminal case.
But as I noted above, it is highly likely that the political right will resume their scurrilous attacks on the integrity of the Obama administration in general and AG Holder in particular as soon as political expediency and their stunning lack of concern over being perceived as hypocrites so dictate.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 18:53
Yeah, amazingly Holder’s DOJ got it right for once……. You can believe it wasn’t because Holder was there supervising, it was because there are still professional unbiased investigators within the DOJ, thankfully.
But, this DOJ investigation begs the question….
Question; why isn’t anything being done by Holder in the IRS email scandal? You know, that’s the one where Lois Lerner’s hard drive inexplicably failed, somehow, and the IRS claimed there were no back up copies in existence? Only to find out that nobody from the IRS actually made any attempt to get the copies. How about Hillary’s email? Will we get an independent investigator, will there be any real attempt by Holder to determine what happened over there at the State Department?
arc99 March 13th, 2015 at 19:21
Your partisan conjecture confirms my earlier point. The Attorney General has the authority to contradict the findings of the US Attorneys who conducted the investigation. To say that Holder was not supervising is exactly the partisan nonsense to which I referred earlier.
As far as the IRS non-scandal it is not the job of the Justice Dept to investigate right wing talk radio conspiracy theories. The House committee out of the 113th Congress found no White House involvement and contained no accusation of any criminal behavior. Please note the Justice Dept is not investigating the origins of the President’s birth certificate either.
But if you are so convinced that there is something obviously unethical or illegal going on in the Justice Dept (but only when the decision contradicts your beliefs), contact the FBI and file a complaint.
http://www.fbi.gov/report-threats-and-crime
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 12:40
I’ll bet that EVERYONE you are talking to has read it.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:11
I’ll bet that EVERYONE you are talking to has read it.
And I’ll bet that NO ONE you are talking to has bothered to read it, right?
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 15:32
Everybody who has an opinion on the issue has.
Most of my friends usually bypass the news and go to the source.
That’s what you HAVE to do.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:37
Everybody who has an opinion on the issue has.
Wow! That’s quite a statement. So, everybody who has an opinion on the issue has read the DOJ report……..
I think that’s probably 5 Pinocchio’s right there
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 15:50
It was big deal when it broke.
Why wouldn’t everybody who was following it read it?
But when you assume that everyone is lying and YOU are the only one who read it, why would I believe you?
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:56
So, you make an assumption, and then accuse me of making an assumption. Interesting.
The one making assumptions here, is you
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 15:58
Excuse me??
Didn’t you just call me a liar?
trees March 13th, 2015 at 17:06
Is this a truthful statement?
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 17:48
Of course it is not a truthful statement.
So, I meant to say that everyone in MY circles who has an opinion on the issue read it, which is what I meant by;”Most of my friends usually bypass the news and go to the source”, in response to YOUR statement; “And I’ll bet that NO ONE you are talking to has bothered to read it, right?”
So yes, everyone I talk to about these issues read it.
Most are medical people and now a lot lawyers in our circle.
Why would you think you were the only one?
arc99 March 13th, 2015 at 12:23
The above comes from the Justice Dept. report issued March 4 2015 which concludes there is no evidence to support a federal prosecution of Darren Wilson.
That would be the same Justice Dept headed by AG Eric Holder who has been accused by some on the right of “wanting dead cops”. Of course, citations of this report are conspicuously absent from the fictionalized accusations against the Attorney General.
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown.pdf
trees March 13th, 2015 at 11:58
You can read AG Holder’s DOJ report here………..
http://cloudfront-assets.reason.com/assets/db/14259125335940.pdf
bluejayray March 13th, 2015 at 12:12
Aw–but that’s HARD! And it’s got facts and science and stuff in it…
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 12:15
The operative phrase being “requisite criminal intent”.
Meaning that he set out deliberately to murder the victim.
That does not mean that it was proper.
As my children, in their late 20’s and early 30 say; If the police behaved that way with the kids in our affluent white suburb, who behaved like Michael Brown, half of their graduating class would be dead.
The subsequent investigation indicates that there is definitely a problem.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 14:48
You need to read the report, instead of thinking that you know what it says already. It completely exonerates Darren Wilson.
That’s a false left wing talking point.
Read the report
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 15:28
I read the report, when it came out.
Did YOU??
Even the part, for example about;
“They do not indicate whether Brown sustained those two arm wounds while his hands were up, down, or by his waistband. The private forensic pathologist opined that he would expect a re-entry wound across Brown’s stomach if Brown’s hand was at his waistband at the time Wilson fired. However, as mentioned, there is no way to know the exact position of Brown’s arm relative to his waistband
At the time the bullets struck. Therefore, these gunshot wounds neither corroborate nor discredit Wilson’s account or the account of any other witness.
I don’t think you understand the high burden.
Do you understand what the report actually said, especially if you put it with the report on the Investigation of the Ferguson Police Department??
Especially the part about;
Ferguson’s Law Enforcement Practices Are Motivated in Part by Discriminatory Intent in Violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and Other Federal Laws
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl/documents/ferguson_findings_3-4-15.pdf
I do not believe that Darren Wilson deliberately gunned down an innocent, unarmed kid.
I do believe that we don’t know all the facts;
(yes gunshot wounds to the hand were consistent with Brown’s hand in the car, but that doesn’t tell us if he was going for the gun or warding off the gun. Trying to get into the car as some witnesses said, or pulled into the car as others said)
A culture of racism and adversarial race relations led him to be unnecessarily aggressive, eliciting an unnecessarily aggressive response and thus escalating.
I believe that Darren Wilson had several off ramps before it got to the point that it did, but that was not what the DOJ addressed.
When one looks at the study on racism in the Ferguson PD, and even the study; Adam Waytz of Northwestern University and Kelly Marie Hoffman and Sophie Trawalter of the University of Virginia report the results of several studies;
A Superhumanization Bias in Whites’ Perceptions of Blacks (put that side by side with Wislon’s testimony that betrayed an almost hulk like monster running thru the bullets)
You have a pretty toxic mix.
Do YOU think that kids who behave the same way in affluent white neighborhoods are treated the same?
I can tell you about mine; The police like to protect them from their young and stupid selves.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:44
So, your assertion was that Darren Wilson reached up and grabbed Michael Brown, pulling him into the car, through the window….and that during the course of pulling Michael into the car he also drew his hand gun, and that this poor hulking man-child was acting in self defense, and was just trying to keep officer Wilson from shooting him. Is that your contention?
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 17:02
So, your assertion was that
______
It is NOT my assertion.
MY assertion is that we don’t know.
He could have grabbed his collar as people do. We don’t know.
As for “Michael into the car he also drew his hand gun…”
We don’t know.
If Wilson had grabbed him and put his hand on his gun, it is not unreasonable that Brown would have gone for that hand.
We don’t know.
Only one witness is alive.
“poor hulking man-child”…
Who was a kid and only slightly taller than the trained officer, (AND I might add, on the fat, not muscular side).
That choice of words does dove tail nicely with Wilson’s crazy description of this “supernatural being” and Whites see blacks as athletic and aggressive, and so it’s easier to picture them running as fast as a jet or picking up a tank.
Matthew Hughey, a sociologist at the University of Connecticut, notes that at the turn of the 20th century blacks began succeeding at popular sports, and “commentators began to emphasize white cognitive superiority in contrast to the supposedly savage and unbridled physical superiority of blacks. Accordingly, a popular culture narrative of ‘black brawn’ versus ‘white brains’ emerged.”
The assumption of less pain and greater strength could also lead to support for police brutality against blacks. Waytz points to depictions of Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and other black teenagers killed while unarmed. “You hear these stories of virtually superhuman black males charging toward the police officer or posing a larger than life physical threat,” he says. Police say they have no choice but to shoot. In the new paper they suggest that the superhuman bias could explain why black juveniles are judged more culpable for crimes than whites.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/11/whites_see_blacks_as_superhuman_strength_speed_pain_tolerance_and_the_magical.html
trees March 13th, 2015 at 18:27
The entire report, that is the entirety of the investigation, taking into consideration all of the eyewitness testimonies, all of the forensic evidence, and the statement of the officer himself, all of it taken together makes the case that….. Michael Brown robbed a convenience store, with his physical presence and demeanor being his primary weapons, was stopped by an officer of the law shortly after M Brown’s strong-arm robbery, for walking in the middle of the road and with the suspicion that M Brown was the suspect described in the police alert, and that he defied the officer’s directives. The eyewitness accounts, by people of color, and from within that community, verified and substantiated the officer’s account, that M Brown attacked the officer, while seated in his patrol car, did in fact struggle for control of the officer’s weapon, and did in fact sustain an injury, this being verified by the DNA evidence that was collected from within the patrol car. Further, the investigation concludes that M Brown did in fact run from the scene, stop, and then return, charging the officer in a manner that could be described as a bull-rush. That the assailant, M Brown, did at no time raise his hands in surrender and plead, “don’t shoot”, was at no time kneeling, was never in compliance with the officer’s directives, and at no time obedient to the officer’s command to stop. A long and lengthy investigation reveals that M Brown was engaged in criminal behavior, was conducting criminal conduct, and was defiant of civil authority. It is for this reason that M Brown lost his life on that day. That is not idle speculation, that is not subjective speculation, that is the rational determination as a result of a months long investigation.
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 19:31
The entire report, that is the entirety
of the investigation, taking into consideration all of the eyewitness
testimonies, all of the forensic evidence, and the statement of the officer
himself, all of it taken together makes the case that…..
Michael Brown robbed a convenience
store, with his physical presence and demeanor being his primary weapons
________
Happens all the time and has nothing to
do with the shooting.
Darren Wilson, the officer who stopped
Brown, wasn’t even aware that Brown was a suspect in the robbery, Ferguson
Police Chief Thomas Jackson said Friday afternoon. The officer initially
stopped Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, because the pair was walking in
the middle of a residential street.
It matters only to brown’s state of mind.
Wilson himself changed his story from telling the first officer that he did not
know about a radio call about two teenagers being wanted for robbery, and then,
that he had matched Michael Brown
to the description of wanted suspects
It was this realization, he stated, that
caused him to reverse his vehicle and sparked the car-side confrontation that
left Brown dead on the street with six bullets in his body.
But the sworn testimony of Wilson’s squad
supervisor directly contradicts this account.
Also; He had washed his hands clean of any blood
and he had been permitted to bag up his own gun as evidence – acts entirely
contrary to St Louis County procedure.
All I can say is that I don’t have a problem with
the report.
I think they correctly are going after the big
bosses who set up the culture of abuse and racism and not the little guy,
Darren Wilson.
But keep in mind that when they say, “Because Wilson did not act with the requisite criminal intent, it
cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt to a jury that he violated 18 U.S.C.§
242 when he fired his weapon at Brown.”
“The requisite intent implies a specific
purpose to accomplish the consummation of the crime, and must be alleged and
proved by the State”
Requisite intent is
called “malice aforethought”
Where 18 U.S.C.§ 242 states; Whoever, under
color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects
any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to
the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected
by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments,
pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of
his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall
be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if
bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or
if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous
weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in
violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to
kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual
abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned
for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Don’t forget the report also said;
Even if Wilson was mistaken in his
interpretation of Brown’s conduct, the fact that others interpreted that conduct the same way as Wilson precludes a determination that he acted with a bad purpose to disobey the law. The same is true even if Wilson could be said to have acted with poor judgment in the manner in which he first interacted with Brown, or in pursuing Brown after the incident at the SUV. These are matters of policy and procedure that do not rise to the level of a Constitutional violation and thus cannot support a criminal prosecution.”
Put that beside; “There is no evidence upon which prosecutors can rely to disprove Wilson’s stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety.”
Did you read the Investigation of the Ferguson Police Department
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl/documents/ferguson_findings_3-4-15.pdf
jasperjava March 13th, 2015 at 21:41
Thanks for the effort, OldLefty, but you’re talking with Trees here.
To him, all Black people are evil, and all white people are pure as the driven snow.
trees March 14th, 2015 at 04:56
Nope, not at all. I call it as I see it. I don’t know how you live with yourself, you have no conscience. Darren Wilson did nothing wrong, Darren Wilson acted in self defense, Darren Wilson had a split second to make a decision, Darren Wilson acted to preserve his own life, and Darren Wilson did his job. Michael Brown made some very bad decisions, and Mike paid for them with his life, but Darren Wilson did not murder Mike Brown. You’ll never accept the truth of this, you’ll continue to call Wilson a racist, and anyone who dares to point out what the DOJ report itself says, well you’ll label them racists as well…. it’s what you do.
OldLefty March 14th, 2015 at 09:41
The result was that Darren Wilson was found to be a reasonable police officer who conducted himself in a professional manner, without any hint of racism or racial bias in how he handled himself, not just on that day, but in his everyday existence.
______
Perhaps you should read the report.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:46
If you had read the report you’d have discovered that numerous black eyewitnesses testified that what they observed was a large powerful man charging the officer….
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 16:13
That is not enough.
That is why it was “subjective”.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:53
How bout this part here, did you bother to read this?
Witness 125 is a 23-year-old black female. She initially told law enforcement that she witnessed the shooting, but later recanted, claiming that she wanted to be involved from the outset and therefore lied to investigators. SLCPD detectives briefly interviewed Witness 125 during their initial canvass after the
shooting. Witness 125 claimed that she was asleep for the first two gunshots. Her boyfriend, Witness 131, told her to get up and go to the window. Witness 125 then gave an internally inconsistent account, first saying that Brown’s arms were by his waist, followed by his hands going up. When asked for clarification, she said the same thing in reverse, explaining that it all occurred while Brown was kneeling. In an effort to reconcile this inconsistency and help inform the prosecutive decision, federal prosecutors sought to meet with Witness 125. Witness 125 refused to meet with federal prosecutors but did meet with FBI agents. She reiterated that she was asleep during the first few shots, but then went to her window where she witnessed Brown standing with his hands up in surrender. Although she could not see who was shooting Brown due to a tree blocking her line of sight, Witness 125 explained that she witnessed two volleys of shots, one which caused Brown to grab his torso with his left hand and a second volley causing his head to snap back before he fell to the ground. Witness 125 did not see Brown move from his position. Despite saying otherwise in her recorded statement to the SLCPD, she denied telling FBI agents that she originally told SLCPD detectives that Brown was kneeling prior to his death. When Witness 125 appeared at the St. Louis County Prosecutor’s Office to testify before the county grand jury, she was accompanied by an attorney. Prior to her testimony, Witness 125 told the county prosecutors that she lied to the FBI and to SLCPD detectives. Witness 125 was then given immunity from federal prosecution for making material false statements to federal agents so long as she testified truthfully in the grand jury. She testified that she did not, in fact, witness any part of the incident, but claimed she did so because she wanted to be “part of something.” She claimed that a friend in the community told her to tell the SLCPD and the FBI
what her boyfriend saw, but to claim it as her own.
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 16:12
You are cherry picking.
You are ignoring the fact that Wilson Washed the blood off his hands, Witness 40 (not in the report)
You forget;
Prosecutor Kathy Alizadeh: “Is it still, you still stay with the fact that Michael Brown had his hands up and was charging?”
Sergeant: “That’s what Darren told me he was charging at me.”
And yet, again, the high burden;
“There is no evidence upon which prosecutors can rely to disprove Wilson’s stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety,” states a DOJ report on the decision.
The key word, “subjective.”
trees March 13th, 2015 at 16:21
Sergeant: “That’s what Darren told me he was charging at me.”
Consistent with the reports, the witness testimony, and the forensic evidence….
Brown was charging the officer
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 16:29
He also said his hands were up.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 16:58
Most people who are charging, do so with their hands elevated above their waist.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 16:33
Cherry picking? Wilson washed the blood off???
The SLCPD Crime Laboratory conducted DNA analysis on swabs taken from Wilson, Brown, Wilson’s gun, and the crime scene.
Brown’s DNA was found at four significant locations: on Wilson’s gun; on the roadway further away from where he died; on the SUV driver’s door and inside the driver’s cabin area of the SUV; and on Wilson’s clothes. A DNA mixture from which Wilson’s DNA could not be excluded was found on Brown’s left palm.
Analysis of DNA on Wilson’s gun revealed a major mixture profile that is 2.1 octillion times more likely a mixture of DNA from Wilson and DNA from Brown than from Wilson and
anyone else. This is conclusive evidence that Brown’s DNA was on Wilson’s gun.19 Brown is the source of the DNA found in two bloodstains on Canfield Drive, approximately 17 and 22 feet east of where Brown fell to his death, proving that Brown moved forward toward Wilson prior to the fatal shot to his head.
Brown’s DNA was found both on the inside and outside of the driver’s side of the SUV.
Brown is the source of DNA in blood found on the exterior of the passenger door of the driver’s side of the SUV. Likewise, a piece of Brown’s skin was recovered from the exterior of the
driver’s door of the SUV, consistent with Brown sustaining injury while at that door. Brown is also the source of the major contributor of a DNA mixture found on the interior driver’s door
handle of the SUV. A DNA mixture obtained from the top of the exterior of the driver’s door revealed a major mixture profile that is 6.9 million times more likely a mixture of DNA from Wilson and DNA from Brown than from Wilson and anyone else.
Brown’s DNA was found on Wilson’s uniform shirt collar and pants. With respect to the left side of Wilson’s shirt and collar, it is 2.1 trillion times more likely that the recovered DNA
mixture is DNA from Wilson and DNA from Brown than from Wilson and anyone else.
Similarly, with respect to a DNA mixture obtained from the left side of Wilson’s pants, it is 34 sextillion times more likely that the mixture is DNA from Wilson and DNA from Brown than from Wilson and anyone else. Brown is also the source of the major male profile found in a DNA mixture found in a bloodstain on the upper left thigh of Wilson’s pants. DNA analysis of Brown’s left palm revealed a DNA mixture with Brown as the major
contributor, and Wilson being 98 times more likely the minor contributor than anyone else. DNA analysis of Brown’s clothes, right hand, fingernails, and clothes excluded Wilson as
a possible contributor.
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 16:37
All that proves is that “There is no evidence upon which prosecutors can rely to disprove Wilson’s stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety,” states a DOJ report on the decision.
It does not follow that it was an OBJECTIVE belief.
It does not follow that a better trained officer from a department that was not tainted with racism would have handled it in the same way, with the same sad result.
It does not follow that Darren Wilson would have handled it in the same way, with the same sad result if the kid had been white.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 16:57
Trying to wrestle an officers gun from him/her, struggling with an officer, punching an officer, refusing to heed the commands to stop by an officer, subsequently charging headlong at an officer who has told you to stop, will get you killed, irregardless of your race, or the race of the officer every time.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 16:09
This is what’s known as “speculation”
Here let’s see what the report has to say, you know, the results of the investigation….
Upon their arrival, SLCPD detectives from the Bureau of Criminal Identification Crime Scene Unit erected orange privacy screens around Brown’s body, and CAP detectives alerted the St. Louis County Medical Examiner (“SCLME”) to respond to the scene. To further protect the integrity of the crime scene, and in accordance with common police practice, SLCPD personnel
did not permit family members and concerned neighbors into the crime scene (with one brief exception). Also in accordance with common police practice, crime scene detectives processed
the crime scene with Brown’s body present. According to SLCPD CAP detectives, they have one opportunity to thoroughly investigate a crime scene before it is forever changed upon the
removal of the decedent’s body. Processing a homicide scene with the decedent’s body present allows detectives, for example, to accurately measure distances, precisely document body
position, and note injury and other markings relative to other aspects of the crime scene that photographs may not capture.
In this case, crime scene detectives had to stop processing the scene as a result of two more reports of what sounded like automatic weapons gunfire in the area at 1:55 p.m. and 2:11 p.m., as well as some individuals in the crowd encroaching on the crime scene and chanting, “Kill the Police,” as documented by cell phone video. At each of those times, having exhausted their existing resources, SLCPD personnel called emergency codes for additional patrol officers from throughout St. Louis County in increments of twenty-five. Livery drivers sent to transport Brown’s body upon completion of processing arrived at 2:20 p.m. Their customary practice is to wait on scene until the body is ready for transport. However, an SLCPD sergeant briefly stopped them from getting out of their vehicle until the gunfire abated and it was safe for them to do so. The SLCME medicolegal investigator arrived at 2:30 p.m. and began conducting his investigation when it was reasonably safe to do so. Detectives were at the crime scene for approximately five and a half hours, and throughout that time, SLCPD personnel continued to seek additional assistance, calling in the Highway Safety Unit at 2:38 p.m. and the Tactical Operations Unit at 2:44 p.m. Witnesses and detectives described the scene as volatile, causing concern for both their personal safety and the integrity of the crime scene. Crime scene detectives and the SLCME medicolegal investigator completed the processing of Brown’s body at approximately 4:00 p.m, at which time Brown’s body was transported to the Office of the SLCME.
Hmmm…does that sound like your white suburban neighborhood?
OldLefty March 13th, 2015 at 16:22
That’s not the report on racism in the Ferguson police Department, this is;
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl/documents/ferguson_findings_3-4-15.pdf
As for; does that sound like your white suburban neighborhood?
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It would if the kids in MY white suburban neighborhood were treated like the report says the black citizens of Ferguson were treated, (add by Black cops to that)
trees March 14th, 2015 at 01:48
I’ve read the report, and it would seem to me that the problem is the city government, not the police department. The city government directed the police and the courts, the city government compelled revenue generation, and the city government is the civil entity that should be held responsible, imho.
Think of this city structure like this, the police department is the enforcement arm, and the courts are the hand holding the night stick….. the citations, fines, and civil punishments are the injuries inflicted by the arm, the hand, and the stick….
The city officials, the elected city representatives, those in charge of governing…..all of the city council, these are the brains, these are the prime movers, the writers of legislation, the directors of policy, the revenue team, the people counting the money, spending the money, and writing the codes and setting the fines, and demanding enforcement.
IMHO, it is not the police department or the courts who are to blame, no, the blame lies at the feet of those city officials who are approaching their constituency like a loan shark approaches his prey.
You want to disband something corrupt? Well, I say let’s stop trying to cut the tops off of the weeds, because the only way you get rid of weeds is by ripping out the roots………
So ask yourself this question, why did Eric Holder not condemn the city officials, why does he stop short in his call for sweeping change???
You can change the personnel in the police department, but that won’t change anything if the city government remains in place and the city officials continue with these same policies. You’ll have brand new faces, you’ll have smiling black faces wearing badges. You’ll have brand new law enforcement officers in brand new uniforms riding around in brand new cars…..
Collecting revenue from the residents of Ferguson, just the same as before, cause we’ve got to pay for all of this city government, and vehicles, and uniforms…….
What’s changed?
Nothing.
I have an answer.
You have to change your governing officials……
Hmmmm…..wait a minute……
Holder himself is simply an arm of government, his boss is the brain directing the enforcement arm. Barack would probably be very unhappy if Eric were to say that government officials were the real problem….
Get ready America, cause this big city liberalism is coming. Our government is going to need to generate some revenue to pay for all of this spending…..
Watch and see.
OldLefty March 14th, 2015 at 08:19
~”That’s not the report on racism in the Ferguson police Department, this is;
http://www.justice.gov/crt/abo…”
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This is the results of a search.
The report I gave you is correct and released the same day;
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl/documents/ferguson_findings_3-4-15.pdf
~ “So ask yourself this question, why did Eric Holder not condemn the city officials, why does he stop short in his call for sweeping change???
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Because that was NOT the topic of the investigation. It was law enforcement. The investigation was of the police department.
This problem goes way beyond Ferguson, Remember;
“Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities
The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers
were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.
That was three years ago. One of the officers who worked in that department, and lost his job along with everyone else, was a young man named Darren Wilson.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html
???
What WILL address the wide spread problem ; President’s Task Force on 21st Century
Policing.
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/policingtaskforce
But there are even greater problem in Missouri; Tom Schweich?
“The only reason for going around saying that someone is Jewish is to make political profit from religious bigotry” Danforth said.“Someone said this was no different than saying a person is a Presbyterian. Here’s how to test the credibility of that remark: When was the last time anyone sidled up to you and whispered into your ear that such and such a person is a Presbyterian?”
~ “Barack would probably be very unhappy
if Eric were to say that government officials were the real problem….”
I think he has BEEN saying that.
Hence; ; The President’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing.
We have seen it with sentencing reform.
Ferguson is not alone in recent history. One only has to think of incidents in Cincinnati, Ohio; Los Angeles, California; and New York City; and the names of Timothy Thomas, Rodney King, Amadou Diallo and Eric Gardner to remind us of their suffering, and of the damage that was done to public trust in the wake of their troubling experiences.
In Pittsburgh, we saw, Jonny Gammage and Miles Jordan,
Meanwhile, the problem we see come from big state conservativism; private for profit incarceration and shaking down the poor to run the state instead of paying with taxes.
Don’t forget, it is ALWAYS the conservatives who engage in the greatest spending and run up the biggest deficits while redistributing wealth to the top.
trees March 13th, 2015 at 15:33
The subsequent investigation revealed that a few emails, the content of which amounted to the telling of black jokes by a few of the officers, had been exchanged within the department. Have you ever told a racial joke, you know, about a Pollock, or a Jew, or a Cracker? Now, lest you think I support such activity, let me make sure that you understand, I DO NOT….but let’s keep the context within perspective, ok? Can you show me some emails that document the Ferguson PD as conspiring to commit acts of racial hatred? What kind of verbiage do you think the residents of Ferguson used in their dealings with the officers of the Ferguson PD? Do you think that racial epithets were ever used against the white officers? Would it be unreasonable to expect that after a stressful day that some of the officers blew off steam by telling a few jokes? Maybe William can tell us about his experiences up there in whitebread Maine, tell us some stories, Willie…..
StoneyCurtisll March 13th, 2015 at 21:08
Hey ‘trees’…
Can we read your full comment history?
Or is this sock puppet account the only one you make comments available?
243 comments, 61 votes??…
The only one you think you are fooling is yourself…
trees March 14th, 2015 at 04:02
I’m not hiding anything, my user activity is not private.
It’s the only account I have. Old Lefty can verify who I am.
OldLefty March 14th, 2015 at 09:44
It’s the only account I have. Old Lefty can verify who I am.
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I don’t know how one can do that. Can we use different names with different emails? I don’t know, but I have no doubt that trees uses only this name here.
After some time you know people’s style.
So yes, I will verify, as much as a luddite can.
bluejayray March 13th, 2015 at 12:13
He lost me on 9-11 when he said “Thank god that George Bush is President”. I thought at the time that that was one of the stupidest things I had ever heard.
Bunya March 13th, 2015 at 13:57
So, Rudy “9/11” Giuliani thinks that Ferguson has been overtaken by an “atmosphere of unbalance” which has been perpetuated by the Obama administration. I wonder how long it would be until the fine ex-mayor blamed the black president. He never ceases to disappoint. 9/11.
rg9rts March 13th, 2015 at 14:24
Looks like Rudy is suffering from the same brain rot as Carson
Warman1138 March 13th, 2015 at 15:39
It’s going to rain today and it’s Obama’s fault and I’m sure Rudy would agree and take the opportunity to point out more things that are always the presidents fault. My knee hurts, Obama’s fault. It was cold last night, Obama’s fault etc. etc.
Obewon March 13th, 2015 at 17:01
Giuliani: Klansman Darren Wilson ‘Should Be Commended’ For Killing, just as Osama bin Laden was on 9/11.
Rudey redux: ‘there were no domestic terror attacks on George W Bush’s watch!’ As also feigned by Condi, Errant Bolling et al too.
jybarz March 13th, 2015 at 21:27
Rudy is so different to most decent and smart people. He talks through his ass and sh!ts through his mouth.
booker25 March 14th, 2015 at 07:46
Rudy just has to open his mouth and stupid falls out.